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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 17:51 GMT
#376
Please, give your imput on things. I'm sure everyone would like to hear your thoughts.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 19:23 GMT
#384
To me both scholeosis and vain have presented extremely scummy behavior, but as I stated before there is simply no way they are both mafia.
Looking at the first day activity it was pretty clear that scholeosis was going to get lynched, yet nobody seemed to care much. There was no way mafia could have known senj wasn't going to show up and it seemed like everyone was tunneling scholeosis, except for forumite and he is our only confirmed townie. I hope everyone understands that the mafia would try to not let this happen on day 1 if scholeosis was indeed mafia.
Now looking at the night activity, mafia tryied to kill forumite. Before forumite analysis of varpulis his FoS was Vain and Elmizzt. No one seemed to give credit to forumite's analysis of vain, as he seemed very pro-town. Even forumite didn't seem convinced by his own analysis in the end.
Then we know that the medic saved forumite. Who do you guys think that could have possibly targgeted forumite for a save? I personally think it's much more likely to be scholeosis than vain. If vain was medic he had no reason whatsoever to be sure forumite was town. Scholeosis on the other hand would be pretty convinced as forumite was the only one who defended him and everybody else was pointing fingers at him.
Now let's say neither of them is the medic. That makes it more likely that vain's slip proves he is mafia.
That's why I feel vain is the better lynch. Ever since I rose suspicion on vain all hell broke loose in this thread. That's much more consistent with him being mafia.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 19 2011 03:32 GMT
#421
People, every one is posting wild theories of who they think it's mafia and how they could be manipulating the vote. Look at behavioural analysis. Make your own behavioral analysis. Stop wasting time and misleading town with these WIFOM scenarios. Let's lynch whoever we think is most likely to be scum at this point. That should be either Vain or shcoleosis, based purely on behaviour. I have explained already why I think Vain is most likely to be scum. Go back and read analysis on both this guys. Reread their posts. Throw your egos aside and make the choice that you feel is most likely to lynch scum. After the lynch we can discuss who to lynch on the subsequent day. Right now we need to find ONE scum to lynch. That's our goal.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 19 2011 06:29 GMT
#423
On April 19 2011 06:16 Vain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2011 05:56 Forumite wrote:
If Vote flips green or blue then I will take a very close look on Sandroba, but I can´t know now what will happen during Lynch 2, it depends on what slip-ups happen until then.


Stupidity is not a scumtell and i quote

"Bad logic- Unless the bad logic is intentional. Not everyone is as smart as someone who reads LSB’s Newbie guide."


On April 18 2011 04:11 Vain wrote:

VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended?


Useless question. You probably read the guide and you know the way you have been posting is not good town play.

If Sandroba would have read the guide and actually has some recollection memory he should exactly know why i did ask this question which is still unanswered.

Nice bandwagon btw VarpuliS



I simply cannot understand this posts at all, and I've been staring at it for quite some time. Are you claiming stupid as your defense? I've read about 50 other posts you made in other threads and all of them are quite sound and reasonable, you seem to know about phisics and do not seem stupid at all. Comparing that to your behaviour in this thread has left me completely perplexed. You are not helping town at all. I've done a post by post analysis on you and there isn't one single useful information. I'm not talking about the last slip, I'm talking about every single one of the posts you made.That's not consistent with blue behaviour for me. That's absolutely not consistent with townie behaviour to me. Also if you for some odd reason are town I would like to have you modkilled and banned from the next games, because you are not following one of the rules: Play to win. But I really don't think you are, as I've read a lot of your posts, I don't think you are stupid, so you CAN'T be town.

Same goes to scholeosis. If you are town you are screwing this game for us. If you are town you are NOT playing to win. That's pissing me off because I've invested a lot of time reading and rereading people's posts, making analysis and trying to convince people here to read carefully all the analysis done and post their opnion.

Since I can't find any previous posts from scholeosis I can't really tell if she is dense/lazy/doesn't give a shit about this game or smart and commited and therefore mafia.

I can only hope that other people work as hard as I've been working, read carefully all posts, consider the night actions and come to conclusions on their own.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 19 2011 11:56 GMT
#427
Well, unless anyone else claims medic you are clear and confirmed for me. I still don't understand your previous behaviour at all. I would also like to see your reasoning for choosing to save forumite.

##Unvote
##Vote: Scholeosis
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 19 2011 14:02 GMT
#435
On April 19 2011 07:47 elmizzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2011 06:16 Vain wrote:
On April 19 2011 05:56 Forumite wrote:
If Vote flips green or blue then I will take a very close look on Sandroba, but I can´t know now what will happen during Lynch 2, it depends on what slip-ups happen until then.


Stupidity is not a scumtell and i quote

"Bad logic- Unless the bad logic is intentional. Not everyone is as smart as someone who reads LSB’s Newbie guide."


On April 18 2011 04:11 Vain wrote:

VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended?


Useless question. You probably read the guide and you know the way you have been posting is not good town play.

If Sandroba would have read the guide and actually has some recollection memory he should exactly know why i did ask this question which is still unanswered.

Nice bandwagon btw VarpuliS


People need to stop quoting guides and outside sources as ultimate authorities. They're good for sparking ideas, but they can't apply to every situation. Make your own arguments instead.

Here are my suspicious posts:
Vain:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 21:32 Vain wrote:
I don't know how you percieved this but i had consistently scholeosis as maffia so please don't imply i just follow the crowd. I was the even only one that ended up voting for her. Why are you asking me if i am doctor or mafia? if i tell you im mafia i would be dead. If i tell you i am a doctor i would be dead AND the town loses a medic. So I am not going to answer your two sided question you figure it out yourself;)

It almost seems as though you maintained your vote on scholeosis even after it was 100% clear that she would not possibly be lynched in order to have some kind of defense for later use. It's almost too calculated that you had that defense all whipped up and ready for use at the first moment's notice.

Forumite:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 22:12 Forumite wrote:
I am one of the probable Townies, and I hinted that I had something really good that I was waiting to drop, which is probably why they aimed for me.

I would like you to note that I didn´t say I was saved at first. Partly because I didn´t see the PM until this morning, but also because I wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did.

I think it's pretty clear that you are lying your ass off here. You posted 9 and 15 minutes after the PM's went out. I find it extremely hard to believe that you "didn't see the PM" during this time, especially considering that there were 3 posts in between your posts, and yours popped up at the front of a new page. These circumstances would have required at the bare minimum a couple f5's to be caught up. Not to mention that PM's are emailed to you assuming you havn't turned that function off. It doesn't add up.

So basically:

FOS: Vain
FOS: Forumite


Points finger at vain, never talks about shcoleosis. Agrees with bulshit analysis done on Forumite even though anyone can see there was simply no way he was 100% town at this point since everyone had already posted and no one claimed medic.

shcoleosis and elmizzt are both mafia. gg
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 19 2011 14:05 GMT
#436
EBWOP: My post got chopped in half. Here it goes.
I would like to quote something I wrote on night 1.

On April 18 2011 10:54 sandroba wrote:
This post is my scum list in case I die. I pretty much agree with varpulis analysis.

1. Scholeosis - If this girl is town, that's the most terrible town play of the year. An award should be given to her.

2. Elmizzt - Agrees with bulshit analysis posted by others. In contrary to zorkmid I'm not suspisious of the one who post a bad analysis, because normally all the analysis at least gives something to talk about and forces reactions out of people (which is pro-town). elmizz rapidly agreed with both the analysis of zorkmid and forumite of me and varpulis trying to take out the focus on scholeosis, when the focus were on his scumbudy scholeosis. That's textbook mafia play, not coming up with ideas, but bandwagon the useless ones. If scholeosis, much to my dismay, turns out to be anything but mafia, this needs to be reanalysed, of course.

3. Vain - If for some miracle either of these guys aren't mafia I would take a closer look at this person. All his posts so far have been useless constation of the obvious, questions or fluff posts, none with any content whatsoever. Also he doesn't seem to mind that senj screwed town over and makes a useless post praising our "beloved" useless townie. elmizzt finds it amusing.

Btw, forumite analysis of scholeosis is not bulshit at all, it seemed like it was indeed a huge slip by Varpulis, but at this time the amount of effort he has put towards scumhunting makes it very hard to beleive he's anything but town, so he gets a pass in my eyes.


After Vain's slip it not only put some doubts on my mind but gave me the opportunity to put huge pressure on Vain and see how a certain person reacted.

Note that I wasn't 100% acurate on this statement:
On April 18 2011 21:40 sandroba wrote:
Alright so now I will state why we shouldn't lynch scholeosis. Forumite for the time being is the only comfirmed townie (unless the medic claims he didn't save forumite, in which case you should claim so we can trade you for forumite and scholeosis) and the only one who has defended scholeosis so far. The mafia did not know Senj wasn't going to show up, so someone would come to his defense. Everyone and their mother were suspicious of scholeosis at this point so it's very unlikely he's mafia. I advise scholeosis to step up your game if you are indeed not mafia, because I was 100% sure you were at some point.


Through the course of the game elmizzt never pointed a finger or gave a single opnion about scholeosis and always agreed with analysis of other people not involving shcoleosis, no matter how poor it was.

So here comes his reaction:
On April 19 2011 07:47 elmizzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2011 06:16 Vain wrote:
On April 19 2011 05:56 Forumite wrote:
If Vote flips green or blue then I will take a very close look on Sandroba, but I can´t know now what will happen during Lynch 2, it depends on what slip-ups happen until then.


Stupidity is not a scumtell and i quote

"Bad logic- Unless the bad logic is intentional. Not everyone is as smart as someone who reads LSB’s Newbie guide."


On April 18 2011 04:11 Vain wrote:

VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended?


Useless question. You probably read the guide and you know the way you have been posting is not good town play.

If Sandroba would have read the guide and actually has some recollection memory he should exactly know why i did ask this question which is still unanswered.

Nice bandwagon btw VarpuliS


People need to stop quoting guides and outside sources as ultimate authorities. They're good for sparking ideas, but they can't apply to every situation. Make your own arguments instead.

Here are my suspicious posts:
Vain:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 21:32 Vain wrote:
I don't know how you percieved this but i had consistently scholeosis as maffia so please don't imply i just follow the crowd. I was the even only one that ended up voting for her. Why are you asking me if i am doctor or mafia? if i tell you im mafia i would be dead. If i tell you i am a doctor i would be dead AND the town loses a medic. So I am not going to answer your two sided question you figure it out yourself;)

It almost seems as though you maintained your vote on scholeosis even after it was 100% clear that she would not possibly be lynched in order to have some kind of defense for later use. It's almost too calculated that you had that defense all whipped up and ready for use at the first moment's notice.

Forumite:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 22:12 Forumite wrote:
I am one of the probable Townies, and I hinted that I had something really good that I was waiting to drop, which is probably why they aimed for me.

I would like you to note that I didn´t say I was saved at first. Partly because I didn´t see the PM until this morning, but also because I wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did.

I think it's pretty clear that you are lying your ass off here. You posted 9 and 15 minutes after the PM's went out. I find it extremely hard to believe that you "didn't see the PM" during this time, especially considering that there were 3 posts in between your posts, and yours popped up at the front of a new page. These circumstances would have required at the bare minimum a couple f5's to be caught up. Not to mention that PM's are emailed to you assuming you havn't turned that function off. It doesn't add up.

So basically:

FOS: Vain
FOS: Forumite


Points finger at vain, never talks about shcoleosis. Agrees with bulshit analysis done on Forumite even though anyone can see there was simply no way he was 100% town at this point since everyone had already posted and no one claimed medic.

shcoleosis and elmizzt are both mafia. gg
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 20 2011 01:55 GMT
#453
If shcholeosis flips red I don't see a point in continuing this game.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 20 2011 01:58 GMT
#456
If shcoleosis flips red elmizzt is 100% mafia.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 20 2011 02:00 GMT
#457
Shcoleosis flips either mafia or medic, in that case you and zork are mafia and this game is over either way.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 20 2011 02:14 GMT
#468
GG
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 20 2011 02:20 GMT
#484
I would like to congratulate town for playing great:
Vain: Fucking nice save! Did a way better job than me of hidding his blueness!
Zorkmid: Nice agressiviness that helped analyse everyone's reaction. Overall great town play.
Varpulis: Huge dedication and analysis, nice work man!
Forumite: Nice bait, made everything clear as crystal day 2.
Ethernal: Always calm, and collected, good analysis and logical thinking.

Congrats everyone, and sorry if I missrepresented anyone!
Cheers!
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-20 02:26:02
April 20 2011 02:25 GMT
#491
Also, thank you GM and chaoser for hosting this game! I enjoyed it greatly.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 20 2011 02:31 GMT
#494
Yeah LOL, I was so ansious for my result! Fucking terrible blue play.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 20 2011 03:00 GMT
#505
See you guys there! I'm in aswell.
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