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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 17 2011 06:26 GMT
#240
That was a great post varpulis, now I find it extremely likely you are town, as you wouldn't be making this huge effort towards making scumhunting easier if you weren't. I also agree with zork that I would like to hear your opnion as to who you think is mafia. I'm pretty pissed at Senj for not being active and screwing town over, I would like to request that he gets banned from the next few mafia games.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 01:54 GMT
#293
This post is my scum list in case I die. I pretty much agree with varpulis analysis.

1. Scholeosis - If this girl is town, that's the most terrible town play of the year. An award should be given to her.

2. Elmizzt - Agrees with bulshit analysis posted by others. In contrary to zorkmid I'm not suspisious of the one who post a bad analysis, because normally all the analysis at least gives something to talk about and forces reactions out of people (which is pro-town). elmizz rapidly agreed with both the analysis of zorkmid and forumite of me and varpulis trying to take out the focus on scholeosis, when the focus were on his scumbudy scholeosis. That's textbook mafia play, not coming up with ideas, but bandwagon the useless ones. If scholeosis, much to my dismay, turns out to be anything but mafia, this needs to be reanalysed, of course.

3. Vain - If for some miracle either of these guys aren't mafia I would take a closer look at this person. All his posts so far have been useless constation of the obvious, questions or fluff posts, none with any content whatsoever. Also he doesn't seem to mind that senj screwed town over and makes a useless post praising our "beloved" useless townie. elmizzt finds it amusing.

Btw, forumite analysis of scholeosis is not bulshit at all, it seemed like it was indeed a huge slip by Varpulis, but at this time the amount of effort he has put towards scumhunting makes it very hard to beleive he's anything but town, so he gets a pass in my eyes.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 02:02 GMT
#295
I was role blocked.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 02:15 GMT
#302
I haven't claimed anything, I said I was roleblocked. But since no one died and I was roleblocked, I assume that there's indeed a medic and a dt.
Can mafia choose not to kill anyone?
Even if they can It would be a dumb move not to kill anyone, so this scenario is extremely more likely.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 02:22 GMT
#305
Let me post my thoughts:
Vote: scholeosis
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 02:22 GMT
#306
ebwodp:
##Vote: scholeosis
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 02:58 GMT
#308
Well, based on previous information I'm pretty convinced with this assesment, and it makes even more sense that I was roleblocked since I was the first one to come up with analysis on scholeosis. In my eyes there's no way in hell scholeosis could be town att this point.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 11:06 GMT
#316
On April 18 2011 19:25 Vain wrote:
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On April 18 2011 18:12 Forumite wrote:
We know that we have a medic, but we have no idea who it is, nor who was saved. Going out with something like this doesn´t really serve a point, so we can´t identify who it was either.

Look, if I was marked for a night-kill and saved, then the Mafia knows it, the Medic knows it, but there is no way I can prove this to any others without possibly endangering the Medic, and that´s something we don´t want to do.

Like Sandroba saying "I´m roleblocked", it doesn´t give us any info, except that IF someone else was roleblocked then that person only can be quite sure that Sandroba is Scum, but haven´t got a way to expose him.

Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town?


It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed.

Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself)
And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone


Nowhere in forumite post he claims that the medic saved him, only mafia would know that for sure. Also thank you for uncovering your plan. If you were indeed the target, forumite, it's time for you to say it, so that if no one says otherwise we have no reason to doubt it. There is no point in hiding that info from mafia because saying that you were protected does not reveal the identity of the medic. If someone else got protected and saved, please post it, so we can make some sense out of this.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 11:08 GMT
#317
We need to start posting people, let's not wait until we are hard pressed on time.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 11:22 GMT
#319
That's clearly not claiming to be saved by medic.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 11:33 GMT
#322

Medic
You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself.

Does this means the person saved is informed of who saved him, or only that he was saved?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 11:42 GMT
#326
Well here comes my analysis of vain, wait for it!
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 12:40 GMT
#336
Here is why Vain is scum:

On April 15 2011 19:41 Vain wrote:
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On April 15 2011 13:08 sandroba wrote:
Well I just checked and it's actually 6 AM in sweeden/netherlands so Vain and Forumite are probably actually sleeping. However, judging from this thread varpulis is normally active around this time. Hmmm...


Yup, just got out of bed. its 12:40 now here

ehm, can't we like check if these other person's are posting elsewhere so they are knowingly avoiding posting here?


On April 15 2011 19:43 Vain wrote:
Just to add. if that would be the case they sure would have some explaining to do


This is indeed too early to tell anything, but he posts a question then an obvious observation. Note that he has 550 posts and in his question he implies he still doesn't know how to use the search function.

On April 16 2011 06:38 Vain wrote:
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On April 16 2011 06:17 sandroba wrote:
Well, right now, I'm still waiting on some kind of response by scholeosis. And the other lurkers should come out of the shadows and post their opnion, or is the situation too confortable that the scum can sit back and realx?


Well i'll come out of the shadows then and will mention there is not very much too say jet. You can only argue that some are more active then others but i don't think any obvious or major slips were made. Sure, Zorkmid has like 50% of the posts but doesn't really really fit the picture of scum(jet?). I think Shcoleosis has displayed an odd behaviour by at first saying I'm still learning :/ and switching from opinion that fast but an explanation for this could be that (s)he really isn't really into this game jet and is just afraid of being hanged the first day. Still until (s)he can give an explenation, my vote is still on him/her.

And btw please tell if your a girl or not. i am sick of typing 2 genders all the time. ifnot i assume your sexless, lol


This post is made 11 hours after. Note that he admits to be lurking in the bolded part. Then he procedes to say absolutely nothing. He says that could be that, nut that could be the other thing aswell. Extremely wishy washy.

On April 16 2011 06:39 Vain wrote:

Four if you count this one;)


Spam post.

On April 16 2011 08:55 Vain wrote:
Well, She didn't change my opinion on her so:

##Vote: Scholeosis


Bandwagons on scholeosis.

On April 17 2011 00:26 Vain wrote:
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On April 16 2011 22:11 Forumite wrote:
I will most probably not get online from about an hour to the end of the night. The next day-phase is during the week, I´ll have much more time then to get to the bottom of this then. I don´t have much advice to give in case I get night-killed, but I´ve a few things to add, mostly to identify Sheep/Lurkers.

I´ve been tunneling on the Zorkmid and elmizzt connection, both of them calling me scum for not posting during the start of the first day, when I was asleep and had informed people of this beforehand. I have the feeling that Zorkmid was the talkative Mafia, elmizzt the quiet one. Elmizzt hasn´t really said anything except agreeing with lynching inactives and agreeing with a weird post with weak arguments from Zorkmid.

I get a bit of bad wibes from Vain, not because he´s a slow poster, but because I don´t see him posting his own reasons for jumping on the wagon against Shcoleosis. It didn´t take long for people to start voting once the first vote was in. Zork and Sandroba voted quickly, but they had allready stated they had FoS on Shcoleosis, while Vains voting felt more like he was just agreeing rather than making up his own mind. I´d like to see some more reasons from him.

Senj is also very slow on posting, not saying anything except encouraging analysis.

So Lurkers:
Senj
Vain
elmizzt (with possible Zorkmid connection)


Hmm, the reason i voted for shcoleosis is that in my opinion her behaviour was very scummy like( switching sides, saying things like first time playing guys). Witch was pointed out earlyer by the other players before me. She did not post again untill after i voted for her. I may note that the posts after that were not so much scum behaviour, but i am still not really convinced we have a better alternative. Although zorkmid could be suspected due to throwing accusations out like there is no tomorrow, which could be his strategy but is drawing attention to him and would be very risky if he were to be scum. Nevertheless zorkmid would be my number two but only to him being profoundly accusing. I haven't really looked in the accusations of the others too much but i'll try to post an analysis of them later on.


Again, very wishy washy, doesn't want to point fingers at nobody. Claims not to be following the thread and promises future analysis that we never got to see. Where is the analysis you promised us?

On April 17 2011 10:57 Vain wrote:
Well, there it goes. In a few minutes senj will be no more. If he flips over and turns out to be red i'm gonna eat my hat, Serously


Oh my god, it's almost like he knows it for sure!

On April 17 2011 11:17 Vain wrote:
I just want to take this moment and mourn for our departed senj, who turned out to be a town. This death will have an huge impact on us and the game. The rest of this post i will dedicate to our beloved senj. Think of all the moments he was with us and the time we spent together. I still remember the first time i saw him.
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On April 15 2011 11:18 Senj wrote:
GL HF broskis. Not sure I agree Eternalmisfit, seeing as we're all relatively new to the mafia game.

He was never much of a talker, but he always told me he tried so hard to change..

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On April 15 2011 12:41 Senj wrote:
Yeah, basically. I guess that's kind of the idea of keeping the thread active though, more posts mean more chances to slip up and divulge too much information.

Somewhat unrelated, but I just broke a 9 game lose streak. :D huuuuuge relief there.


Sadly, he fell back in his old behaviour and he spoke to the public only one more time


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On April 15 2011 12:54 Senj wrote:
On April 15 2011 12:52 elmizzt wrote:
On April 15 2011 12:49 Zorkmid wrote:
I for one am going to vote that we lynch the quiet most innocent seeming player I might even do a character count!

hmmm...how long until we can start eye-ing some of the inactive players and leaning on em a little?


I'm already taking note that we have yet to see Forumite, Vain and Varpulis, however; I feel it's a little early yet. By the halfway mark on the first day I'll be suspicious if we haven't heard from them yet.


After that it was only a matter of time until dark clouds rose above his head. Maybe he wanted to talk but couldn't find a way to express himself. Maybe he searched for words but could never find them. Maybe something else, but we will never know now because our beloved senj is dead


Huge spam! Also no need to praise Senj when he screw town over.

On April 17 2011 11:18 Vain wrote:
P.s. This also means no hat-eating will be done tonight!


More useless posting / jokes.

On April 17 2011 22:06 Vain wrote:
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On April 17 2011 21:21 Forumite wrote:
Are we supposed to discuss during the night? It just makes me feel like the Mafia get more ammunition to use on who they want to night-kill.

____
Anyway, I like what Varpulis did, making a summary, but I disagree with his summary on Elmizzt. He´s still lurking, he´s posted only one-liner unhelpfull posts except his groundless accusations against me, his post to vote on senj and his long accusation post against Sandroba. Not posting just to post a huge post to defend himself and throw suspicion on another tells me that he could post more if he wanted to, but perhaps he doesn´t because the debate goes the way he wants it to. Then again, Sandroba wasn´t under much suspicion before Elmizzt accused him, so if he is scum and was trying to divert attention, then he didn´t do a very good job of it.


Well, it think we should use all time possible to uncover maffia to prevent misses like senj. Yes he wasn't very active but he was a town as expected. We have a limited number of chances to get it right and sadly we had to lynch an inactive towny. As for being affraid that the maffia gets too much information you'll have to understand one thing perfectly. The maffia already knows who is town and is maffia. There is not much more to know for them. Sure we and the mafia do not know if there is a DT and/or a Doctor but they do not have to uncover themself if they do not want to. We can use all the information there is. The mafia already has all the info and sure as hell aren't gonna lynch one of their own at this moment.


Completelly useless contentless post stating the obvious.

On April 18 2011 02:48 Vain wrote:
I would also like to point out how the voting went. This is some actual data we can use and not up for debate. But as always it is up for intepretation of us. It could very well be that one of the persons voted for we're scum and the mafia influenced the vote. There has been some swing in vote's which i find very suspicous.

This is how the vote looked 10 hours before closing

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On April 17 2011 00:38 chaoser wrote:
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On April 16 2011 22:31 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Mod: If someone doesn't vote, do they get modkilled?


Yes they do get modkilled

shcoleosis: 2
Vain
Zorkmid

Zorkmid: 1
Forumite

Senj: 2
sandroba
Varpulis

elmizzit: 1
Eternalmisfit

shcoleosis to be lynched on account of getting to 2 votes first

People who haven't voted yet: Shcoleosis, elmizzit, senj


10 hours and 25 minutes remaining till the end of day

And here the final vote:
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On April 17 2011 09:27 chaoser wrote:
shcoleosis: 1
Vain <-Hey guys, look at me here, I didn't bandwagon!

Zorkmid: 1
Forumite

Senj: 6
sandroba
Varpulis
shcoleosis
Zorkmid
Eternalmisfit
elmizzt

Senj to be lynched at 6 votes

Day ends in 1 hour 33 minutes


So in a summarry. shcoleosis lost one vote on her senj gained SIX votes and Elmizzt lost one.
We can conclude from this that there is some serous bandwagoning going on here and maby some influence of the mafia. Keep in mind that there are not one but two mafia members influencing the votes and that we can be sure that 2 of the votes are mafia ones. The mafia makes up already 25% of our population so do not rule out mafia influence out of this vote.


For me this is the first huge scum tell. Of course everybody voted for senj because he didn't vote, didn't post anything and was going to get modkilled. This post is largely useless and stating the obvious except for one thing. To point out how he did not bandwagon on the senj vote and that mafia would clearly bandwagon.

On April 18 2011 03:08 Vain wrote:
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On April 17 2011 23:53 VarpuliS wrote:

Vain FoS
Vain has been semi-active. I'm a little bit suspicious of him because he joined the Shcoleosis bandwagon without giving a reason until prompted to. Bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning is not great town play, and his logic and reasoning just haven't clicked with me. FoS, but not a priority.


Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing is? we could discuss over that and i could try to defend myself which is not advised in a game of mafia so fuck that. Btw didnt anyone notice the vote swing at the last moment or did everyone just stop caring?


Defending himself and trying to mislead town towards the useless chart he posted. As I stated it was in the best interest of town lynching the guy who was getting modkilled. [i]"Look at the vote swings guys, your clues are there, I swear!"

On April 18 2011 04:11 Vain wrote:

VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended?


Useless question. You probably read the guide and you know the way you have been posting is not good town play.

On April 18 2011 14:41 Vain wrote:
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On April 18 2011 11:19 Zorkmid wrote:
Ah, my bad. I even asked earlier on whether a roleblocked townie was told, I just forgot!

So I get the feeling that either myself or Varp was the target last night.

Any thoughts?




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Medic
You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself.


If you didnt get a pm like "you were saved" or something you can be pretty sure you were not a target


Stating the obvious.

On April 18 2011 14:51 Vain wrote:
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On April 18 2011 10:54 sandroba wrote:
3. Vain - If for some miracle either of these guys aren't mafia I would take a closer look at this person. All his posts so far have been useless constation of the obvious, questions or fluff posts, none with any content whatsoever. Also he doesn't seem to mind that senj screwed town over and makes a useless post praising our "beloved" useless townie. elmizzt finds it amusing.


Omg, How could you NOT like my necrology of senj


Spam

On April 18 2011 19:25 Vain wrote:
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On April 18 2011 18:12 Forumite wrote:
We know that we have a medic, but we have no idea who it is, nor who was saved. Going out with something like this doesn´t really serve a point, so we can´t identify who it was either.

Look, if I was marked for a night-kill and saved, then the Mafia knows it, the Medic knows it, but there is no way I can prove this to any others without possibly endangering the Medic, and that´s something we don´t want to do.

Like Sandroba saying "I´m roleblocked", it doesn´t give us any info, except that IF someone else was roleblocked then that person only can be quite sure that Sandroba is Scum, but haven´t got a way to expose him.

Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town?


It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed.

Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself)
And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone


This post is a gem. Forumite never said he was saved. But Vain is sure he was. He procedes with his reasoning for why killing forumite would lead us to lynch scholeosis.

Alright so now I will state why we shouldn't lynch scholeosis. Forumite for the time being is the only comfirmed townie (unless the medic claims he didn't save forumite, in which case you should claim so we can trade you for forumite and scholeosis) and the only one who has defended scholeosis so far. The mafia did not know Senj wasn't going to show up, so someone would come to his defense. Everyone and their mother were suspicious of scholeosis at this point so it's very unlikely he's mafia. I advise scholeosis to step up your game if you are indeed not mafia, because I was 100% sure you were at some point.[/b]
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 12:48 GMT
#338
##Unvote
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 12:49 GMT
#339
##Vote: Vain
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 14:00 GMT
#348
Claiming to be saved while not being saved is a terrible move, as I explained in my analysis of vain. Medic could claim and trade his life for mafia, which is a great deal for town.
I'm pretty sure Vain is mafia, so scholeosis can't be aswell.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 14:03 GMT
#349
I am the one that posted the analysis on vain, not forumite. I'm pretty convinced by my own analysis, you should read it.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 15:30 GMT
#355
I would sugest you guys to carefully consider the events of this night before voting for scholeosis.
Also note that 100% of the active players on day 1 wouldn't mind lynching scholeosis and if senj had shown up that was probably what was going to happen.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 15:55 GMT
#359
Please consider who got saved tonight. I agree completely with all analysis done so far on scholeosis, and feel that he has looked pretty scummy. Except during the night, when he looked pretty much like a frustated newbie, who doesn't care if he seems suspicous at all. Compare that to how cautiously Vain has been trying to point out how inocent he is in the analysis I made when he was on pretty much everyone's suspect list.

Vain and scholeosis can't be both mafia because if nothing happend today we would probably lynch scholeosis and Vain suports this idea. Look:
On April 18 2011 19:25 Vain wrote:
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On April 18 2011 18:12 Forumite wrote:
We know that we have a medic, but we have no idea who it is, nor who was saved. Going out with something like this doesn´t really serve a point, so we can´t identify who it was either.

Look, if I was marked for a night-kill and saved, then the Mafia knows it, the Medic knows it, but there is no way I can prove this to any others without possibly endangering the Medic, and that´s something we don´t want to do.

Like Sandroba saying "I´m roleblocked", it doesn´t give us any info, except that IF someone else was roleblocked then that person only can be quite sure that Sandroba is Scum, but haven´t got a way to expose him.

Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town?


It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed.

Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself)
And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone


Vain suports the idea of lynching scholeosis
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 18 2011 16:13 GMT
#363
Zorkmid, I urge you to do some work instead of asking me everything. He was on Varpulis suspect list and Ethereal posted a list on day 1 saying that he seemed suspicious.
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