@Imprevious Your explanation makes some sense to me, but the fact that you made a huge post at night time giving reason as to why killing varpulis would leave us at the maximum level of confusion makes me eerie. That post makes way more sense as mafia than as town to me. So, it's nice and all that your "gambit" payed off, but it didn't exactly put us in a better position because it just added to the confusion.
After seeing Jackal's non logical post about how ace is mafia and so you are the canadian, I'm inclined to think you are town, as I've had a town read on you all game long, and I strongly believe jackal to be mafia. That post kind of sealed the deal for me.
I want to hear more from Eiii and BB, but I still think lynching jackal is our best bet.

Varpulis

United States2517 Posts

May 04 2011 11:21 GMT

#762

aww shoot.

gl town!

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

May 04 2011 12:15 GMT

#763

Go ahead and lynch me. I'm getting tired of defending myself. Everything I say or do you guys think is scummy. It's become tedious and monotonous. But until you do I will continue to play.
Ace- If your sooper dooper spy role claim is real do you get parts of messages all the time or is it just sometimes? If it's all the time I'd say BB is cell leader. He's the one that's not been here.
That said though I find it next to impossible to believe you're still alive.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 04 2011 13:15 GMT

#764

I got them every day so far in between the lynch and night posts. Since I didn't get anything last night Cell Leader probably didn't send anything.

Like I said you are scummy but Brownbear's hardcore lurking act is even scummier.

sandroba

Canada4998 Posts

May 04 2011 13:25 GMT

#765

We cannot afford to lynch someone right now based purely on lurking, because we might quite possibly be at lylo. Can you point out any mafia oriented behavior from darmousseh (brownbear) posts? Add that to the fact that he asked for a substitution so his lurking really is a null tell for me.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 04 2011 13:37 GMT

#766

How can it be a null tell when 2 days ago he said he would post something? If we are at LYLO which most of us believe that leaves us with 3 Scum in a 7 player game. Even if we assume Jackal is Scum that leaves 2 players out of the remaining 6 so who do you think we should look for?

It's going to come down to dealing with lurkers anyway and if we're wrong about Jackal who IS active then it's game over. Also it's not like we haven't given Brownbear a chance to be active. Wasn't it him that was the popular lynch target before a few players vote switched to tnkted? We thought he would be modkilled but he wasn't so he was given a chance to redeem himself and still hasn't contributed. That right there is the real "tell" in this situation.

This is what we're stuck with in tnkted's case:

Votes
Sandroba
Jackal58
Mr. Wiggles
~~VarpuliS~~

4 active players one of which is dead. The only saving grace here is that Jackal is also on this wagon. So that is another piece of evidence against him. So really this comes down to going with our best read right now (Jackal imo) or taking the read on Brownbear (just as scummy imo). The thing is Jackal's behavior can in some ways be looked at as town but Bear's can't because he just doesn't post. So we have to decide now and everyone go with it.

sandroba

Canada4998 Posts

May 04 2011 13:59 GMT

#767

From what I can gather BB is a vet and a very good player, so hopefully he can post some analysis to help us figure it out either way. I wish Eiii would post a bit more as well.

Impervious

Canada4198 Posts

May 04 2011 15:56 GMT

#768

Ace, whichever one you want to go for, I'll support it. We need to work together on this one.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 04 2011 16:08 GMT

#769

*nod of acknowledgment*

Waiting on BB and Eiii to post their thoughts of the game so far.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 04 2011 22:01 GMT

#770

This is taking way too long. Voted for BB. Lets see what happens now.

Eiii

United States2566 Posts

May 04 2011 22:48 GMT

#771

Jackal is getting a lot of heat, but I'm pretty convinced he's town-- his play seems similar/identical to how he played in insane 2.

Impervious/Ace are the two active players I think are most suspicious-- I've said why I think ace could be red before, and now looking back on things impervious has moved from thinking ace was red day 1 to completely believing his claim to saying that they 'need to work together'. Ace being kind of sketchy and impervious doing a 180 recently on him smells a lot to me like a CL/sleeper relationship.

obviously bb is suspicious because he's still lurking and not doing anything and that sucks

BrownBear

United States6894 Posts

May 04 2011 22:50 GMT

#772

On May 05 2011 01:08 Ace wrote:
*nod of acknowledgment*

Waiting on BB and Eiii to post their thoughts of the game so far.

Never wait on other people to post your thoughts. You just might end up waiting forever.

(I haven't vanished, I'm collecting thoughts to post later tonight when I'm not doing homework.)

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

May 04 2011 23:11 GMT

#773

On May 05 2011 07:48 Eiii wrote:
Jackal is getting a lot of heat, but I'm pretty convinced he's town-- his play seems similar/identical to how he played in insane 2.

Impervious/Ace are the two active players I think are most suspicious-- I've said why I think ace could be red before, and now looking back on things impervious has moved from thinking ace was red day 1 to completely believing his claim to saying that they 'need to work together'. Ace being kind of sketchy and impervious doing a 180 recently on him smells a lot to me like a CL/sleeper relationship.

obviously bb is suspicious because he's still lurking and not doing anything and that sucks

You're lurking too. Thanks for your support but I've been saying since this game started the scum are lurkers.

Impervious

Canada4198 Posts

May 05 2011 02:45 GMT

#774

Ace was sketchy to me as well. I did vote for him to be lynched on the first day, remember? And I was voicing my suspicion on a few occasions early on.

However, a few things have changed my mind.

I initially thought that if there were going to be unlisted roles, either a miller and/or a vet and/or a medic would be likely. We have confirmed that non-listed roles are in the game (miller), so a claim of vet seems likely to be legit. And, with how creative the miller's role was, Ace's claim isn't too farfetched either. I was suspicious of it initially, but with the death of our beloved miller, my suspicion has been eased.

I don't believe Ace just because he said he's some kind of role similar to a DT, I believe him because sandroba claimed vet before Ace actually spelled out his role. It actually makes a lot of sense. And without being able to directly talk with each other, this is a little too elaborate and creative of a plan for the mafia to fake it so quickly.

You, on the other hand, have absolutely nothing going for you. Jackal has looked very scummy, and has a ~50% chance through pure random chance to be red, thanks to the DT check. darmousseh/BB has lurked a lot, which does not help much either. You three are my primary choices for scum, and the fact that you're actually defending Jackal right now doesn't help that imo.

Impervious

Canada4198 Posts

May 05 2011 02:53 GMT

#775

Also, when it's likely 4 town vs 3 mafia, of course the town needs to work together..... A divided town is a loss right now.

BrownBear

United States6894 Posts

May 05 2011 02:54 GMT

#776

Ok, so I have reread the thread, and I think, in a LYLO situation, our best option is to mass roleclaim right now. Seeing as apparently we are allowed to post the text of our Role PM, I think it's time.

Actually, just to make 100% sure, We are allowed to do what tnkted did, right?

Right now, I'm a bit confused as to why people claimed blue and green, and immediately got lynched. tnkted's makes a bit more sense because of the color-coded thing, but I'm a little bit curious as to why you guys lynched bum. There was a lot of argument and not really that much being said.

One thing I have noticed, though is one name tends to come up as pushing for the lynch of both claimants: Jackal58. That makes him the most suspicious in my book. I want to wait for the mass roleclaim before I push anyone for sure, though.