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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On May 05 2011 15:48 BrownBear wrote: Waiting on iGrok to confirm/deny the possibility of a roleclaim the way tnkted did it. How long is it taking you to write that thing? Or are you going back through your posts/darmousseh's posts trying to find something you can use as a breadcrumb? | ||
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Impervious
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
HONEST CITIZEN: You are a peaceful citizen of Liquidville. How could a terrorist cell ever appear in your town?! Your goal is to survive and help town discover and kill the Sleeper Cell. You have a single vote by day. There's the role PM I got from iGrok a few days back. I'm going to say this again: IT'S TIME TO MASS ROLECLAIM. As far as I can tell, town doesn't really have a decent suspect in who to lynch, and we're in LYLO. I think the best option at the moment is to throw as much evidence as possible on the table, so I want to see everyone post their role PMs. | ||
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Ace
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sandroba
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sandroba
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On May 06 2011 02:56 sandroba wrote: Ninja'ed. So BB, why did you have to ask permission before claiming, seeing how so many people have done so by now? Because I just joined the game, and was once modkilled for doing this exact thing, so I wanted to make 100% sure. Really, not sure why this is a question. | ||
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sandroba
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
I also think that I'm pretty green-looking right now. I claimed townie before Varp who claimed the same thing, and he flipped town, so unless I'm scum and got the same text as in the OP and decided to take the risk of claiming townie and hoping the town PM was the same as the OP for no particular reason, I think town can trust me to be green. As for the lynch today. I'm trusting San/Ace more right now, but I'm trying to figure out who the best target would be. I'm thinking maybe BB. The reason for this is he has looked very scummy for quite a while, but beyond that, he is scum independent of Ace/San and Jackal. If we want to go after Jackal, then we need to make the judgment call that Ace/San are town for sure. That would make them town, and at least one of Imp/Eii/Jackal/BB town as well. The other three (maybe two, but I'm going to assume higher numbers) would then be mafia. If Ace/San are scum, then three of Imp/Eii/Jackal/BB are town, and one is scum. So, if Ace/San are town, we have a mafia-rich pool of lynch candidates to assure the win, if they're scum, then there's only one more mafia in that group. So, what I think, is that we should lynch BB, because I believe him to be the common link between both possibilities, regardless of the alignment of anyone else. Here's how it would play out: Lynch BB, flips scum 4 town, 2 mafia Mafia hits 3 town, 2 mafia So, the night will give us information, depending on who gets hit. In the morning, we'll still be in MYLO, but the numbers will be reduced and town should hopefully be able to figure out who's who better. I'll fully expect one of Eiii/Imp/myself to die though, so it will be up to the one remaining green to figure out whether to side with San/Ace, or with Jackal and whoever. However, you should be able to figure out just by the voting patterns on that day, what's happening. You know you're green. You know there's either two blues alive, or two greens alive. Whether San/Ace are red/blue, they're likely to vote together that day. However, the other two players shouldn't be voting together right away. So, watch very closely how they act. If San/Ace are red, then the other players should be going through the same thought processes as you and trying to figure out who's red or not. However, if it seems like they know what they're doing, and they band together right away without going through these thought processes, then they're probably red. If it comes down to two groups of people trying to convince you to lynch each other, then I'd be more likely to side with Ace/San. They know what each other are regardless of alignment. Jackal+1 do not however, so it would seem odd if they had that amount of coordination without any of the back and forth that would be expected if they were green, and might be indicative that they're red. So there's my plan. Lynch BB, and try to figure out who's who tomorrow, when there's more information. Right now I'm leaning that San/Ace are town, and that Eiii is another mafia, probably with Jackal. Then it's up to the last town tomorrow to figure out who to side with, with my advice on how to do it. | ||
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Ace
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
1: Why in the name of sweet baby Jesus is Ace still alive? I have seen his blue claim, its kind of weakly tucked at the bottom of a longer post. After bum's claim and lynch, I can understand not wanting to potentially kill another blue, but Impervious raises a good point: On May 02 2011 02:39 Impervious wrote: Well, if Ace is telling the truth, lets not make the same mistake that was made with bum. If Ace can still intercept messages, he can be of use to the town, so the Mafia will want to eliminate him. So, even if you don't believe him, leaving him alive for the night is far more useful to us than killing him..... We'll get more information either way. We left him alive for the night, and now he's alive. Also, if he really can intercept parts of the leader's messages (like he claims he can), I'd love to see them. That could lend some serious weight behind his claim. Now, we can WIFOM all we want about how Ace could never be that stupid because it's far too obvious (but it could be just obvious enough that we all ignore it blah blah blah), but right now, here's what I know: 1) Ace is a veteran, extremely skilled player, known for his MAFIA play. 2) Ace has claimed a role, but I really haven't seen much information besides "Lol I'm Undercover Agent I shot GGQ he's scum love me guys" (And if you shot GGQ, where's the other night kill? Where is it? WHERE?) 3) Ace has claimed a role that to me seems rather broken and overpowered. Night shot plus the ability to read part of the sleeper cell messages? Color me skeptical. Right now, I have a strong feeling that Ace is scum, and just playing you all for fools. Anyway, second question: After bum died and flipped, proving he was telling the truth, why has his scumlist basically been ignored? I'm beginning to seriously wonder about that. I've gone back, and his list consisted of: Ace, Jackal, Wiggles. He checked Jackal and got back "not enough info"... I wonder if that was actually random, or if Jackal might in fact be the Cell Leader? More importantly, though, after he died and flipped, why was there not an immediate dissection of everything he said, looking through his analysis, casting suspicion on those he fingered, forcing them to defend themselves. WHY WAS TNKTED, WHO CLAIMED GREEN, LYNCHED INSTEAD OF ONE OF THESE THREE? That was one of the worst town plays I've seen in a very long time. (If anyone says "well, why didn't you do it then", I'm going to slap then, because I wasn't fucking there until way after the fact, and this is all stuff that should have been done the day after bum died, if not the night after. Anyway, summary of my thoughts: Ace is scum, lynch him, town is dumb, being strung along by mafia. Roleclaim if you haven't yet. Just do it. We don't have any margin for error. ##Vote: Ace | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
FYI: I'm known for my town play more than my scum play. But both are so good I'm just a boss like that. | ||
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Ace
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likewise tnkted was lynched because no one believed his claim and he had a GREEN PM that no one else had. Keep up man  | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On May 06 2011 04:40 Ace wrote: BB...read the thread. I've posted the messages and we've been through the NK discussion already. FYI: I'm known for my town play more than my scum play. But both are so good I'm just a boss like that. I've seen the messages, you could have very easily faked them. Also, If you're more known for your town play than your scum play, then that makes me even more mistrustful of you still being alive. | ||
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sandroba
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
tnkted's and bum's situations? already argued to death So really you made us wait so long for you just to rehash old points? :/ Do you have anything NEW to bring to the table? If you're gonna accuse me of being scum at least make it interesting. Digging up old bones isn't what bears do | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
2) Ace has claimed a role, but I really haven't seen much information besides "Lol I'm Undercover Agent I shot GGQ he's scum love me guys" (And if you shot GGQ, where's the other night kill? Where is it? WHERE?) 3) Ace has claimed a role that to me seems rather broken and overpowered. Night shot plus the ability to read part of the sleeper cell messages? Color me skeptical. 2) San claimed Vet 3) Apparently the un-NK-able role existed, so I'm not going to put this one past being real because of how weird it seemed. I also didn't pay attention to BB's list, because it was BS, and I knew it was BS. It was drawn entirely from "breadcrumbs", and when he's trying to link me in with them, when I know I'm green, it makes the whole thing look wrong. I don't trust it anymore, because if that part of it was wrong, what assurance do I have that the rest of it was right, when that's all he seemed to be drawing it on? Also, the reason Ace is alive for the last night, is that if they killed him, and he flipped town, we'd have a "confirmed" town in San. First night, he wasn't doing anything, so they killed someone else. Second night, they supposedly hit San for some reason. Not too far of a stretch to consider that he's alive except for what happened on N2, and that still relates to his blue claim. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On May 06 2011 04:43 Ace wrote: discussions about bum's claim already happened also. Likewise he was a detective with an inconclusive result - that means he had just as much information as everyone else. Just because he flipped Town doesn't mean he's correct about everything. likewise tnkted was lynched because no one believed his claim and he had a GREEN PM that no one else had. Regarding bum: Doesn't matter if he was CORRECT or not, however,what does matter is we know that his analysis was pro-town. He was trying to catch scum, that means we can trust his analysis to 100% have good intentions behind it. That means it's worth looking into, if nothing else. It's worth dissecting, analyzing, it's worth throwing extra suspicion on everyone on his scumlist to see how they respond, it's a potential gold mine of information town completely ignored. It's not too late to get anything out of it, but it's getting closer. And I know about tnkted's green PM. You seem to be operating under the impression I haven't read the thread, which is a cute way to try to marginalize me, but I am aware of most of the events of this game. My point was, we had a scumlist from bum that should have at least been in the conversation - but tnkted and his "green PM" were considered more important somehow. What should have been on everyone's mind was: tnkted knew what the town PM looked like due to earlier claims, why the hell would he be so stupid as to fake up a role PM that makes him look super fake? Answer: Extremely unlikely he would do something like that. He's not an idiot. I think town has been very misguided all game, and I'm noticing more and more it looks like you pulling the strings. Be less condescending, and try harder | ||
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Ace
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