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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
May 02 2011 14:25 GMT
#661
On May 02 2011 23:15 Ace wrote:
soooooo what are we doing today?

Hopefully lynching you.
Life can only kill you once.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
May 02 2011 15:26 GMT
#662
I want Sandroba to post his full role. At the moment, I'm not sure if I believe him or not, because it seems pretty weird for several reasons. Firstly, why did scum hit him? He was lurking so hard on day 2 that when he posted his vet claim, I needed to check the player list to make sure he was actually in the game. So, I don't get why two or more members of the mafia thought that it was best to hit him, but not any other, more active, player. Next is the name of the role, which doesn't say much by itself, but my gut reaction is to be suspicious, especially with such a short claim.

So, I'd like to ask san to post the full text of his role, because that might help clear things up or not. If he's lying, then I think our scum team is Ace/San/Varp.
you gotta dance
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
May 02 2011 15:27 GMT
#663
Also, there's no reason for a townie not to give his full role out if he needs to, especially if he's just a vet. Scum might be reluctant, because then they need to fake-claim, and there's a chance they screw something up in the role description.
you gotta dance
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 02 2011 16:36 GMT
#664
On May 02 2011 23:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 13:58 sandroba wrote:
I'm posting this drunk but I hope it makes sense. Tomorrow I'll post a more thourough analysis if needed.
I previously stated taht I believed jackal to be town but after seen ace's LOL messages I am convinced taht he's mafia.
On April 25 2011 21:46 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 25 2011 21:41 sandroba wrote:
I think this discussion about breadcrumbs is not productive at all, specially if you reveal your strategy before you put it in practice. Doing what you are suggesting is going to make scumhunting more difficult imo. Also I don't think that's the way mafia is going to identify each other, as there are several other more obvious ways I can think of.

Please share.

On April 25 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:58 sandroba wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:54 Ace wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:46 sandroba wrote:
Ace, I trust your analysis and think you are a smart player, but I don't like the idea of feeding ideas to the cell leader. I don't see how this can be helpful for town as I can think of other methods of comunicating with the sleeper agents that do not involve using the posts in this thread.


Well you can keep those methods to yourself since you don't seem intent on sharing. What I'm doing here is something else. Guess you'll just have to read into it a bit more.

I'm going to post my three people without the msg then.
Ace, GM, Mr. Wiggles.
I would inform them of all other mafia players so they can operate normally without the fear of mislynching one of the other agents.

Well thanks for that. And how would you transmit this information? You said you can do so without posting anything in the thread. I'm curious how that mechanic would work. You can't send names. You can only contact 1 at a time. You have 5 words or 20 characters/msg.
Please don't answer that. God forbid the cell leader gets his hands on super secret stealth communications abilities.
Please stop posting pointless "I would do something but I'm not telling you what it is" posts.
This thread is for discussion. If you don't feel you can discuss something don't mention it. You're beginning to look a lot like somebody that wants to post a lot of useless stuff just to appear to be contributing.

I thought at first he was too careless and naive to be mafia, but after seen the messages from ace and the fact that he came back as "insuficient information" from bum's check, I believe him to be the cell leader. Those messages are so bad it makes sense that jackal is scum. I've read other games and his meta is definitively diferent than when he was town so I believe he is scum. Jackal if you realy are cell leader, I must say you should be ashamed of yourself because those messages are LOL.

I am not the cell leader. I am not scum. Those messages are pure fabrication by Ace.
I also resent the implication that I'm stupid. "Herp derp. Stoopid messages Jackal must be the cell leader derp"
You're scum. I know it. You know it. Ace knows it. Claiming Vig/vet tandem is as old as this game is. They're both one and done roles that require no further actions from you guys because you would have none. So easy peasy claims to make.
If Ace was vig/sooper spy or whatever he wants to call it he would have claimed his shot moments before the day post went up. Anything after that is suspect. You popping up with a vet claim right after his sooper spy claim is just as bogus. You two are scum.


I've read my post yesterday and I realise I was very out of line and I apologize. I didn't mean you are stupid, but maybe you were not so experienced playing on the mafia side. I've read some of your previous games and your meta is definitively different form when you were town. Also, the fact that you were pushing me hard to reveal info helpful to the cell leader makes sense if you are scum.

On May 03 2011 00:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I want Sandroba to post his full role. At the moment, I'm not sure if I believe him or not, because it seems pretty weird for several reasons. Firstly, why did scum hit him? He was lurking so hard on day 2 that when he posted his vet claim, I needed to check the player list to make sure he was actually in the game. So, I don't get why two or more members of the mafia thought that it was best to hit him, but not any other, more active, player. Next is the name of the role, which doesn't say much by itself, but my gut reaction is to be suspicious, especially with such a short claim.

So, I'd like to ask san to post the full text of his role, because that might help clear things up or not. If he's lying, then I think our scum team is Ace/San/Varp.


Ex-Marine
You came back from the war, only to find your hometown overrun by terrorists! You have found that it is difficult to adapt to civilian life, however your experiences in the war make you hard to kill. It takes 2 successful hits to take you out. You will be notified when you lose your "extra life".

The only reason I can think of me being shot last night was to narrow down the scum list previously posted by bum. Assuming jackal is scum that would link you and ace directly to him if he got lynched today.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
May 02 2011 16:51 GMT
#665
Sup fools. Time to read the shit out of this thread.
SUNSFANNED
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
May 02 2011 17:53 GMT
#666
On May 03 2011 01:36 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 23:25 Jackal58 wrote:
On May 02 2011 13:58 sandroba wrote:
I'm posting this drunk but I hope it makes sense. Tomorrow I'll post a more thourough analysis if needed.
I previously stated taht I believed jackal to be town but after seen ace's LOL messages I am convinced taht he's mafia.
On April 25 2011 21:46 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 25 2011 21:41 sandroba wrote:
I think this discussion about breadcrumbs is not productive at all, specially if you reveal your strategy before you put it in practice. Doing what you are suggesting is going to make scumhunting more difficult imo. Also I don't think that's the way mafia is going to identify each other, as there are several other more obvious ways I can think of.

Please share.

On April 25 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:58 sandroba wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:54 Ace wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:46 sandroba wrote:
Ace, I trust your analysis and think you are a smart player, but I don't like the idea of feeding ideas to the cell leader. I don't see how this can be helpful for town as I can think of other methods of comunicating with the sleeper agents that do not involve using the posts in this thread.


Well you can keep those methods to yourself since you don't seem intent on sharing. What I'm doing here is something else. Guess you'll just have to read into it a bit more.

I'm going to post my three people without the msg then.
Ace, GM, Mr. Wiggles.
I would inform them of all other mafia players so they can operate normally without the fear of mislynching one of the other agents.

Well thanks for that. And how would you transmit this information? You said you can do so without posting anything in the thread. I'm curious how that mechanic would work. You can't send names. You can only contact 1 at a time. You have 5 words or 20 characters/msg.
Please don't answer that. God forbid the cell leader gets his hands on super secret stealth communications abilities.
Please stop posting pointless "I would do something but I'm not telling you what it is" posts.
This thread is for discussion. If you don't feel you can discuss something don't mention it. You're beginning to look a lot like somebody that wants to post a lot of useless stuff just to appear to be contributing.

I thought at first he was too careless and naive to be mafia, but after seen the messages from ace and the fact that he came back as "insuficient information" from bum's check, I believe him to be the cell leader. Those messages are so bad it makes sense that jackal is scum. I've read other games and his meta is definitively diferent than when he was town so I believe he is scum. Jackal if you realy are cell leader, I must say you should be ashamed of yourself because those messages are LOL.

I am not the cell leader. I am not scum. Those messages are pure fabrication by Ace.
I also resent the implication that I'm stupid. "Herp derp. Stoopid messages Jackal must be the cell leader derp"
You're scum. I know it. You know it. Ace knows it. Claiming Vig/vet tandem is as old as this game is. They're both one and done roles that require no further actions from you guys because you would have none. So easy peasy claims to make.
If Ace was vig/sooper spy or whatever he wants to call it he would have claimed his shot moments before the day post went up. Anything after that is suspect. You popping up with a vet claim right after his sooper spy claim is just as bogus. You two are scum.


I've read my post yesterday and I realise I was very out of line and I apologize. I didn't mean you are stupid, but maybe you were not so experienced playing on the mafia side. I've read some of your previous games and your meta is definitively different form when you were town. Also, the fact that you were pushing me hard to reveal info helpful to the cell leader makes sense if you are scum.

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 00:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I want Sandroba to post his full role. At the moment, I'm not sure if I believe him or not, because it seems pretty weird for several reasons. Firstly, why did scum hit him? He was lurking so hard on day 2 that when he posted his vet claim, I needed to check the player list to make sure he was actually in the game. So, I don't get why two or more members of the mafia thought that it was best to hit him, but not any other, more active, player. Next is the name of the role, which doesn't say much by itself, but my gut reaction is to be suspicious, especially with such a short claim.

So, I'd like to ask san to post the full text of his role, because that might help clear things up or not. If he's lying, then I think our scum team is Ace/San/Varp.


Ex-Marine
You came back from the war, only to find your hometown overrun by terrorists! You have found that it is difficult to adapt to civilian life, however your experiences in the war make you hard to kill. It takes 2 successful hits to take you out. You will be notified when you lose your "extra life".

The only reason I can think of me being shot last night was to narrow down the scum list previously posted by bum. Assuming jackal is scum that would link you and ace directly to him if he got lynched today.

Apology accepted. Now please explain to me how I'm different?
I was pushing because I hate when people post "I know something but I'm not sharing".
Life can only kill you once.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 02 2011 17:58 GMT
#667
From the other games you were town you were very agressive and abrasive. You seemed to tunnel people a lot more. You seem too mild and behaved this game.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
May 02 2011 18:04 GMT
#668
On May 03 2011 02:58 sandroba wrote:
From the other games you were town you were very agressive and abrasive. You seemed to tunnel people a lot more. You seem too mild and behaved this game.


This isn't a good reason to call him scum though. Go read XXXVIII, where he was town. I was a third party that game, so I didn't call him out on it, but if I remember correctly, he didn't tunnel at all. I actually had him pegged as mafia, because of the weird change in meta. He didn't even yell at people until the Protact thing happened. Read through Insane 2, and then XXXVIII. He was town in both, and there is a huge shift in how he acted between them. This is why this change in behaviour isn't incredible to me. He has other behaviour that can look scummy, but lynching on the meta that he isn't being aggressive isn't a very good reason.
you gotta dance
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 02 2011 18:15 GMT
#669
Yes, I realise that. My reasoning is actually a sum of factors. In that quote I was only responding to his question.
1) Change of meta.
2) Bum's check which makes him at least 50% to be mafia as imprevious pointed out.
3) The conjuction of the messages intercepted by ace and the fact that jackal pushed me to reveal how to make all mafia's players know in one message.
4) Switching his vote to bum after saying he believed him to be the DT.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
May 02 2011 18:15 GMT
#670
On May 03 2011 03:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 02:58 sandroba wrote:
From the other games you were town you were very agressive and abrasive. You seemed to tunnel people a lot more. You seem too mild and behaved this game.


This isn't a good reason to call him scum though. Go read XXXVIII, where he was town. I was a third party that game, so I didn't call him out on it, but if I remember correctly, he didn't tunnel at all. I actually had him pegged as mafia, because of the weird change in meta. He didn't even yell at people until the Protact thing happened. Read through Insane 2, and then XXXVIII. He was town in both, and there is a huge shift in how he acted between them. This is why this change in behaviour isn't incredible to me. He has other behaviour that can look scummy, but lynching on the meta that he isn't being aggressive isn't a very good reason.

I said in that game and this one that I am attempting to shed my bad habits. I also said it isn't fucking worth it.

And don't go by insane. I was intentionally trying to get two people killed in the item game to win the item game. I didn't particularly care what their alignment was, I just wanted them dead.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
May 02 2011 18:19 GMT
#671
On May 03 2011 03:15 sandroba wrote:
Yes, I realise that. My reasoning is actually a sum of factors. In that quote I was only responding to his question.
1) Change of meta.
2) Bum's check which makes him at least 50% to be mafia as imprevious pointed out.
3) The conjuction of the messages intercepted by ace and the fact that jackal pushed me to reveal how to make all mafia's players know in one message.
4) Switching his vote to bum after saying he believed him to be the DT.

No change. I'm reverting to the tunneling aggressive asshole. You're fucking scum.
Bums check is not a 50/50 proposition. It's 75% town 25% scum. Only scum use scummy numbers
Those messages are bullshit and you know it scummy.
I switched because I wasn't getting lynched due to bums incompetence. Not my problem scummy.
Life can only kill you once.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 02 2011 18:20 GMT
#672
this arguing is all fine and dandy but we really might have a problem with activity here. I'd rather go into late game with a few active posters than a ton of lurkers. With barely any major new points being brought across in the last ~12 hours we should be changing course here. There are only about 5 active players right now and I don't think it would be wise to lynch one of them.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
May 02 2011 18:22 GMT
#673
This is a weird lynch. I'm not sure what to make of tnkted's claim of being a bullet-proof miller, as that seems really weird, and almost overpowered, as if he claims, he will never die if town believes him. I'm going to hold off on him though, because he isn't really important at the moment.

So if ace and san, and then varp are town, then the scum team is something like Jackal/BB/Eii.

I'm going to expect that all of the scum will know who each other are at this point. So that means that there's 4 scum maximum, maybe 2 minimum and 9 players. If there's 4, we're at MYLO already, so we need to be sure that we do this right. There's been associations drawn between people already, it seems. There's a strong relationship between Ace and San, as his claim relies on someone else being hit. There's also a relationship that I think exists with Varp, because of his quick agreement with Ace's claim, as well as the scum list he posted, which targets the other possibility of the scum team.

So what I need to decide, is if the scum team is formed of active posters and coherent, or made up of lurkers and disorganized.

Everyone's gone quiet, and Ace isn't really pushing hard for Jackal's lynch like he was for Bum's, which puts me on edge as well. People need to get talking more, because right now it seems like I'm the only one trying to figure things out while the lynch deadline is fast approaching.
you gotta dance
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
May 02 2011 18:23 GMT
#674
And as I right that, people show up and start posting -_-
you gotta dance
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
May 02 2011 18:24 GMT
#675
write*
you gotta dance
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4198 Posts
May 02 2011 18:24 GMT
#676
On May 03 2011 03:19 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 03:15 sandroba wrote:
Yes, I realise that. My reasoning is actually a sum of factors. In that quote I was only responding to his question.
1) Change of meta.
2) Bum's check which makes him at least 50% to be mafia as imprevious pointed out.
3) The conjuction of the messages intercepted by ace and the fact that jackal pushed me to reveal how to make all mafia's players know in one message.
4) Switching his vote to bum after saying he believed him to be the DT.

No change. I'm reverting to the tunneling aggressive asshole. You're fucking scum.
Bums check is not a 50/50 proposition. It's 75% town 25% scum. Only scum use scummy numbers
Those messages are bullshit and you know it scummy.
I switched because I wasn't getting lynched due to bums incompetence. Not my problem scummy.

Fuck, man, go learn something about probabilities please. Stop it with spreading this bullshit.
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 02 2011 18:28 GMT
#677
On May 03 2011 03:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
This is a weird lynch. I'm not sure what to make of tnkted's claim of being a bullet-proof miller, as that seems really weird, and almost overpowered, as if he claims, he will never die if town believes him. I'm going to hold off on him though, because he isn't really important at the moment.

So if ace and san, and then varp are town, then the scum team is something like Jackal/BB/Eii.

I'm going to expect that all of the scum will know who each other are at this point. So that means that there's 4 scum maximum, maybe 2 minimum and 9 players. If there's 4, we're at MYLO already, so we need to be sure that we do this right. There's been associations drawn between people already, it seems. There's a strong relationship between Ace and San, as his claim relies on someone else being hit. There's also a relationship that I think exists with Varp, because of his quick agreement with Ace's claim, as well as the scum list he posted, which targets the other possibility of the scum team.

So what I need to decide, is if the scum team is formed of active posters and coherent, or made up of lurkers and disorganized.

Everyone's gone quiet, and Ace isn't really pushing hard for Jackal's lynch like he was for Bum's, which puts me on edge as well. People need to get talking more, because right now it seems like I'm the only one trying to figure things out while the lynch deadline is fast approaching.


I was actually waiting to see if something else happened as I recognized we're pretty much "stuck" here if we screw this up. Still think our best bet is to cut dead weight and see how the night ends up.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4198 Posts
May 02 2011 18:41 GMT
#678
On May 03 2011 03:28 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 03:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
This is a weird lynch. I'm not sure what to make of tnkted's claim of being a bullet-proof miller, as that seems really weird, and almost overpowered, as if he claims, he will never die if town believes him. I'm going to hold off on him though, because he isn't really important at the moment.

So if ace and san, and then varp are town, then the scum team is something like Jackal/BB/Eii.

I'm going to expect that all of the scum will know who each other are at this point. So that means that there's 4 scum maximum, maybe 2 minimum and 9 players. If there's 4, we're at MYLO already, so we need to be sure that we do this right. There's been associations drawn between people already, it seems. There's a strong relationship between Ace and San, as his claim relies on someone else being hit. There's also a relationship that I think exists with Varp, because of his quick agreement with Ace's claim, as well as the scum list he posted, which targets the other possibility of the scum team.

So what I need to decide, is if the scum team is formed of active posters and coherent, or made up of lurkers and disorganized.

Everyone's gone quiet, and Ace isn't really pushing hard for Jackal's lynch like he was for Bum's, which puts me on edge as well. People need to get talking more, because right now it seems like I'm the only one trying to figure things out while the lynch deadline is fast approaching.


I was actually waiting to see if something else happened as I recognized we're pretty much "stuck" here if we screw this up. Still think our best bet is to cut dead weight and see how the night ends up.

I would have been up for a switch to darmousseh, however, he's been replaced. I'm waiting to see how active BB is going to be before I do anything like that.

I still think Jackal is our best bet at the moment. Especially with how he's been acting recently.
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
May 02 2011 19:06 GMT
#679
On May 03 2011 03:41 Impervious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 03:28 Ace wrote:
On May 03 2011 03:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
This is a weird lynch. I'm not sure what to make of tnkted's claim of being a bullet-proof miller, as that seems really weird, and almost overpowered, as if he claims, he will never die if town believes him. I'm going to hold off on him though, because he isn't really important at the moment.

So if ace and san, and then varp are town, then the scum team is something like Jackal/BB/Eii.

I'm going to expect that all of the scum will know who each other are at this point. So that means that there's 4 scum maximum, maybe 2 minimum and 9 players. If there's 4, we're at MYLO already, so we need to be sure that we do this right. There's been associations drawn between people already, it seems. There's a strong relationship between Ace and San, as his claim relies on someone else being hit. There's also a relationship that I think exists with Varp, because of his quick agreement with Ace's claim, as well as the scum list he posted, which targets the other possibility of the scum team.

So what I need to decide, is if the scum team is formed of active posters and coherent, or made up of lurkers and disorganized.

Everyone's gone quiet, and Ace isn't really pushing hard for Jackal's lynch like he was for Bum's, which puts me on edge as well. People need to get talking more, because right now it seems like I'm the only one trying to figure things out while the lynch deadline is fast approaching.


I was actually waiting to see if something else happened as I recognized we're pretty much "stuck" here if we screw this up. Still think our best bet is to cut dead weight and see how the night ends up.

I would have been up for a switch to darmousseh, however, he's been replaced. I'm waiting to see how active BB is going to be before I do anything like that.

I still think Jackal is our best bet at the moment. Especially with how he's been acting recently.

How do you want me to act? I'm too aggressive. I'm not aggressive enough.
You guys really buying Ace's 2 action role?
If you are either Wiggles or you are scum.
I haven't seen anybody pointing fingers at you.
So you're either buying what Ace is selling or you're not.
Which is it?
Life can only kill you once.
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
May 02 2011 19:44 GMT
#680
Ok, I just went back through all of GGQ's posts and didn't find a single thing thats conclusive. I don't think scum used breadcrumbs this game., if what ace is saying about his interceptions is true. I think CL just sent things related to the people's profiles and meta. Is there a list somewhere where it shows who all is alive? because if there are 3 scum left and we have 7 players (by my count) this is lylo.

IMO Jackal is a bad lynch. If what ace posted was true, CL didn't use breadcrumbs at all! Instead they used clues related to the person's identity. Specifically,
"watch the canadian" and "likes mens magazines," the latter obviously pointing at GGQ. The question is, watch the canadian: whats up with that? Who is a well known canadian player playing in this game? Impervious is possible, but I'm more afraid of...

#vote Mr. Wiggles
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