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Impervious can you list your 3 players? | ||
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Since no one has any solid analysis and are pretty much much reading posts trying to make them look scummy instead of reading people there isn't a good lynch yet. I'd say we should unvote or get rid of inactive but that seems silly. This notion that Scum may be trying to play low activity so they are contacted by the cell leader is absolute nonsense. The Cell Leader already knows the Agent's identities so activity level doesn't matter. | ||
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On April 27 2011 02:32 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 07:36 tnkted wrote: Yep, got mine too. This is going to be an interesting game, I got a strange role. On April 25 2011 07:41 tnkted wrote: Lol GM, the cell leader's messages can't possibly have gone out yet, the game hasn't even started yet. I'm not crumbing, I'm just honestly stating that my role is strange. Here: WEIRD ROLE, DUDES On April 25 2011 07:47 tnkted wrote:It makes perfect sense once you see the role. I might actually claim pretty early this game. Debating the merits of it. ???? I'd also like to know the point of your exercise. and where's the role claim or the hint of his role? Thanks for playing. | ||
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On April 27 2011 02:37 Impervious wrote: Ok, between this "secret plan", this recent slipup, and defending someone who is currently suspicious, is anyone else getting a weird vibe from Ace? what is he suspicious of? Saying he might role claim? That isn't a suspicious action at all. You guys are looking for things that aren't there. If someone says hey I have a pretty good role/strange role/interesting role and I might claim then show me how that is scummy behavior. | ||
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On April 27 2011 02:55 Impervious wrote: Well, unless we get some kind of confirmation that there are indeed roles not listed in the OP that are in play, his actions are definitely suspicious. Nobody in either of the two blue roles would even dream of bringing that much attention to themselves at this point in the game. Also, I await the revealing of your plan. On April 08 2011 14:51 iGrok wrote: [center]ROLES This is a semi-closed setup. Some Roles and their abilities will be disclosed, however role counts will not be. There is at least one of every Roles below. There may be other Roles not listed. The OP makes it quite clear that the possibility exists. Still waiting on more people to post. Really need more activity before I reveal my plan. | ||
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On April 27 2011 03:28 Jackal58 wrote: And just to be clear I am not asking tnkted to role claim. I want to know why he felt compelled to bring it up pre game just to say "Let's just forget this" Wtf do people do that for? Well on that I somewhat agree. My only issue with him was the fact that he claimed it as a bread crumb when there is no such thing as a public bread crumb. If you guys have an issue with that it makes more sense imo than getting upset over a supposed role claim that didn't happen. | ||
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On April 26 2011 23:37 Jackal58 wrote: We have about 12 hours remaining until day is up. So it's time we begin to decide who is going to be our first lynch. I really hate day 1 in these games. I pretty much suck at the beginning of these. That said though I do think tnkted has made a few posts that need to be clarified by him. Let's start with this one. So if it's in towns best interest to drop it why did you bring it up? The subject did not arise due to a slip in conversation or an argument. You flat out stated you had a strange role: And then continued again: And he also tries to assure GM that the cell leader can't possibly have gone out yet. But for all we know he may have laid out the first part of his breadcrumbing to his team mates in pregame posts. He doesn't want to discuss it yet it was an intentional slip/slide/red herring/breadcrumb or whatever you want to call it. Now this post: Everybody disregard my bread crumb? Don't look for breadcrumbs? Don't look for scumtells? I didn't sign up for basket weaving tnkted. Wtf should we do? And lastly Seems to know how the CL is going to operate. Then tells us to ignore any DT checks we may get. I am not the greatest analyzer in this game. Far from it. It is also day one so the body of work we all have to go on is minimal. However these posts from tnkted all seem to carry the same anti-town feel to them. If I'm way off the mark please show me. Until then my vote is going on tnkted. Sorry twinkles. First lets us realize that as of the first line of his post Jackal's insistence is that we should find our Day 1 lynch. My issue here is that tnkted's announcement of a strange role is being put out there as if it's scummy when it isn't. It's not anti-town, it's not scummy - it's just bad play. Now when I posted my list earlier about the 3 people who I'd contact I listed Jackal and my reasoning was that he doesn't suck. Which means I think more often than not he can recognize bad town play over scum play and imo this is an obvious case of it. + Show Spoiler [2nd posts] + On April 27 2011 02:32 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 07:36 tnkted wrote: Yep, got mine too. This is going to be an interesting game, I got a strange role. On April 25 2011 07:41 tnkted wrote: Lol GM, the cell leader's messages can't possibly have gone out yet, the game hasn't even started yet. I'm not crumbing, I'm just honestly stating that my role is strange. Here: WEIRD ROLE, DUDES On April 25 2011 07:47 tnkted wrote:It makes perfect sense once you see the role. I might actually claim pretty early this game. Debating the merits of it. ???? I'd also like to know the point of your exercise. This was from the previous page when I asserted that tnkted never role claimed and Jackal quoted some of his posts that didn't show that he did. Pretty much this is either Scum behavior or Jackal mixing up tnkted's bad play with Scum play. | ||
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On April 27 2011 05:03 GMarshal wrote: Sorry Ace, but I think your analysis is faulty, I don't see Jackal as being scum atm. It could be my relative inexperience, or it might just be that we disagree on that, but I think that at the moment jackal is a terrible lynch, at the very least he is being vocal, which is much, much more than what we can say for many of the players in this thread. I know I've said this many times before, but I think our best call today is to lynch a lurker, with a non-unifed mafia it also means they have no way of knowing if they are lynching a buddy, which makes it much less likely to be misdirected than the usual attempts at day 1 inactive lynches. Ok then well for now we'll just agree to disagree. I'm not sold on lynching lurkers yet. I feel as if we've got more than enough information in 15 pages to do some suitable scum hunting. In a few hours I'll post my information. By then the people that haven't answered my questions probably won't. | ||
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On April 27 2011 06:56 Zorkmid wrote: Well, convince me.....otherwise, this looks scummy as fuck. convince you of what? Over half the players in this game have posted at least one post of substance. Good - now you can scum hunt. Trying to lynch lurkers on Day 1 isn't always a good idea and depending on the setup is quite foolish. This is one of those setups. If you're an Agent lurking doesn't benefit you nor does it hinder you. It's not a scum tell and even in normal setups it isn't a scum tell. On April 27 2011 06:54 sandroba wrote: I would like to suggest you post your info right now, so it can be relevant to the current lynch. If you post it in a few hours, it's gonna make no difference, at least for today. There was enough time already for anyone willing to answer your questions to have done so. It's not relevant to the current lynch. It's relevant for Night 1 actions though. Don't worry it'll all make sense soon. | ||
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Let me clarify about scum tells since I know the inevitable is going to happen where someone ends up arguing a moot point. Day 1 scum tells are usually very weak. It takes either a monster slip, a role or information that can act during the day, or generating some discussion that ultimately splits the players into groups where there is a strong possibility that Scum is stuck in one of them. Lynching lurkers on Day 1 does none of this especially when the case against them is "you haven't posted enough". This would be fine if it happened in a newbie game since they tend to do ridiculous things like this because they don't know any better. Is this a game full of newbies? No. So pretty much everyone here knows that blatantly lurking as Scum on Day 1 would result in a suspicious looks. Secondly, and this is really important: There is no pressure on any of the lurkers to post Day 1. Remember what I said about information? Has any role information been created since the OP was posted that involves these lurkers? No. So it's not like they are running away from an accusation. So trying to lynch lurkers because you think they are Scum is a waste right now. If you want to lynch lurkers on the premise that they won't help us later on in the game then hey - go for it. But trying to point to them and say they aren't contributing so they are most likely scum is old meta. Everyone knows it so it's no longer relevant. | ||
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On April 27 2011 09:15 GMarshal wrote: @Jackal, Ace is a scary player on either side, mafia or town, his town play is not up to his mafia play, but thats because his scum play is miles ahead of what almost anyone can pull off. His ability to mislead and misdirect the town is something to be terrified of and if he is mafia we can expect him to be ready to start crushing the town soon, as a policy, every dt in the universe should be checking him. I'm not familiar with his town play other than "from this point forward I'll talk with my guns" and knowing Qatol was mafia in the one were Qatol was the scum mayor, that was the game where he did the whole "posters who are invisible to me" thing too. Overall Ace is a vet, no-one should underestimate his play, town or mafia. I find it mildly amusing that I posted the names of three people as inactive and all three of them popped up sooner rather than later. Almost as if they were watching the thread... Ace, you say that lurking is "old meta" but I have found that in my experience even experienced players tend to lurk as mafia, since its simply much more comfortable/you are less likely to slip up, especially without a team giving direction/help I think many of these players might decide to lurk, or at least be mildly inactive. You seem to think jackal is scum, is there any other player you think is likely to be mafia as well? If every game you go after lurkers then Mafia just won't lurk. We're speaking of Day 1 here and not further along in the game when at times as Scum it is a good idea to lurk. Either way I'm removing my vote on Jackal so no one does anything crazy since I think this isn't majority lynch and you can die with 2 votes on you. Beside jackal no one else is a major suspect to me. And yes my post is still coming in later. | ||
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GMarshal Ace - pardoner, XXXVIII, veteran, information Mr. Wiggles - serial killer why sandroba Ace GM Mr. Wiggles Ace Eiii - recall, 2 years ago Jackal58 - suck Gmarshal/darmousseh/GGQ - modded, prime, choices Jackal58 tnkted - My beloved Tackster - You're easiest (dead) GMarshall - Clues and Puzzles tnkted Twinkle Twinkle Little Scum 3rd Rean (dead) Jackal58 - breadcrumb this, my beloved GMarshal - "wheels on bus go round" my bus driving skills in insane 2 Vain Ace tnkted GMarshal why "do something specific" Ace Wiggles GGQ Zorkmid Ace - Make friends of Violence, Joy Jackal58 - Make friends of Violence, Avarice Vain - Make friends of Avarice, Joy Mr. Wiggles PI Bear, Detective, grisly Ace - analyzer/arguer GMarshal - all around player Jackal58 - tunnel, aggressive, friendly fire Impervious Ace Mr.Wiggles GMarshal Eiii Ace Jackal - insane 2 Tackster (dead) [u]Final Tally[u] Ace (8) Mr.Wiggles (4) why GMarshal(7) Eiii Jackal58 (5) darmousseh GGQ(2) tnkted(2) Tackster(2) Rean Vain So the top players that the Detective should check tonight: myself, GM, Jackal and Mr.Wiggles. We are the players that were mentioned the most as players that would be picked to contact. Secondly those keywords are there so that from now on (or even before this post) if anyone posts with those unique words we have something to go off of. With the Cell Leader not being able to mass communicate I think keywords in the thread are their only option. With everyone on the lookout for keywords or hints to things only the players would share we can slow them down. | ||
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