EPTI'll say it now, not a fan of the assassin style 3rd party mechanic. I also wish the mayor/pardoner did not know the ID of the bodyguards...
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I'll say it now, not a fan of the assassin style 3rd party mechanic. I also wish the mayor/pardoner did not know the ID of the bodyguards... | ||
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If you're afraid you'll die, yes, go ahead and post your thoughts before the day post. But that's not the same as just normal townie conversations. | ||
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I like BC's model of several townie cells better, but that kinda relies on PMs unfortunately. I am OK with inactivity/lurker lynch day 1, but with several new players this game, I think we have a great shot at some imba scumtell lynches, possibly even day 1. It's too early to be throwing around FoSes, but two of our new posters have already got my eyebrows raised... | ||
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Did you join the campaign to off Kavdragon day1? I must not have been looking when you did, but welcome to the club! XD | ||
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On April 10 2011 01:51 Robellicose wrote: I'd probably agree with this statement. Unless someone red/black goofs up and it's horrifically obvious that we can lynch them. And whilst I've not played/read a game that used a pardoner, we'll have to be pretty damned careful that we get one of us into the position - imagine a successful lynch of the godfather being blocked by some asshole mafia pardoner. man that would piss me off... How much mafia experience do you have robellicose? your name is also kinda fricking long to type, you have a preferred nick? | ||
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btw, i think playing forum mafia is or can be harder than irc. from a scum perspective, the town has a lot more time to scrutinize you and apply good analysis, from a town perspective scum have a lot more time to craft their posts to blend in and they can go afk or use planned team strategies t cause chaos. overall, the play level just seems higher. any other newcomers, please intoduce yourselves too. =) | ||
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On April 10 2011 08:14 kevconsim wrote: im kevin this is my third game most people call me that lurker person or kevconscum i like mafia and cheesy poofs Yes, I've obs'ed your play a bit in the other games. I hope you'll post more this time around! especially with no PM's. Unfamiliar faces for me: Latrommi TranceStorm urashimakt Milkyst DropBear The_Roist jaminz AirbladeOrange MetalFace redFF M0nsterChef Serejai Mig Jeez that's a lot. Like I said (actually I think coag said it first in the other game thread), prepare for imba scumtell lynches  If you've never played mafia before and you're town, it *should* be obvious so don't worry about it, just post and contribute what you can and have fun.Serejai I've seen you around the forums, tech support and minecraft, but I don't know how you play mafia. scumhunting 101 for everyone: mafia never TRY to look anti-town (unless a bus or something weird is going down). The optimal scum play is generally considered to be staying out of the limelight, keeping contribution/posting to a minimum. (Some scum prefer to attempt to match their town meta, but this is difficult especially when a scumbuddy is being pressured.) So a good approach for the first few days is to go through the player list and see who has not stood out to you at all. Read all their posts and see if they are hiding or just trying to appear to contribute by giving wishy-washy opinions or arguing points that don't matter. | ||
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DrH, will you please shut up a bit? you are playing the same way you did back in insane 1... I want the new players to speak up, but it won't happen if you keep biting their heads off and/or drowning them with your spamming. Instead of reacting to every little thing you disagree with, wait and see who else disagrees, who lets it slide, who likes it, etc. I would consider protact a good candidate for pardoner or mayor. One question that is vital though: I have never seen town use "gift KP" well, so how do you intend to put your KP to town use? especially with a town this size, a vote is going to be a nightmare. You could have the mayor pick your targets, but that puts even more power into one pair of hands. Leaving it to your discretion is...lawl. | ||
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On April 01 2011 01:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: can i please not be mayor On April 01 2011 04:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: guys ill only run for mayor if im mafia im telling you this now ... On April 10 2011 14:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im gonna run because i can only trust myself here is my "policy" mayor: -use my votes on whoever i think is scummiest not who the "town" tells me to vote for -lynch kavdragon on day 1 pardoner: -pardon whoever i think is getting lynched on a dumb bandwagon even if the rest of the town is pretty sure they are scum that's it also as far as the assassin game like i said we should post who we suspect of being an assassin so they dont kill townies but 90% of posts in this thread should be geared toward finding mafia so really i think this game should be kinda disregarded unless it becomes important later i have a bad reputation of getting too much attention in games though but i came pretty close to nailing the entire scumteam in salem and in insane mafia so i think i'll just get better every game vote 4 me what is this shit? come on, prove you've learned from the past... You don't have to be the mayor, you don't have to trust no one, you don't have to be in control and in charge of everything.... BTW kavdragon is a stupid day one lynch. He's a damn good liar, but if anybody had bothered to to behavioural analysis it should have been obvious he was not town last game -_-. He'll be active and a fairly easy read in another day or two. Plus there's still like a dozen people that haven't even posted yet... | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote: ... List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list
tnkted mig kitaman Kavdragon Wiggles Darmousseh Dropbear Robellicose Coagulation ... Kav, you're being retarded. Dr.H/Protact scum team is over the top. Also, quit posting town guides and general advice. There's already Ver's guide, and you need to play this game. So far your only stance is your quite unbelievable dr.h Protact read. eiii... On April 11 2011 09:23 Eiii wrote: Well, after catching up with the thread I'm pretty sure I've fallen in love with drh <3 Anyway I feel really good about GM being mayor, he's certainly green in my eyes. What surprises me is that kita hasn't gotten any mayoral attention-- his posts have nearly all been on the mark, and though I was thinking he could be black for a while, taking such a strong stand against prot makes him green to me. I'm voting kita. ##Vote kitaman27 This is exceptionally poor reasoning. If kita was black, that would force him to be anti-protact, how could his stance possibly indicate to you that he is not black? at best, it is neutral. Protact... I believe you said that your vig shots will be used for town purposes, but also that you will choose your own targets. Is this accurate? Also, you seem to underestimate kitaman, in my opinion. At this point I am still willing to support protact for pardoner. I'm willing to support DrH on the basis that I believe him to be town. I'm not willing to support kitaman, pandain or gmarshal. I didn't forget you chaoser, I just don't have an opinion yet. ^^wiggles, the only thing that's harder to read than PBPA is a PBPROA (post-by-post-rebuttal-of-analysis) -_- | ||
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##Vote DrH I'd really prefer that GMarshal not get elected. Protactinium said it well... his PBPA was lackluster, his scumhunting skills are not really honed as far as I have observed. And, GM, if you managed to peg the mafia team day 1 last game, you're either lucky or you're better than everyone else in the forum. I'm thinking lucky... ON seems like a fine lynch to me. Mig is also a good lynch in my opinion, not to let him slide under the radar anymore. I've been looking at the players in the anti-protact list. If we don't elect protact (likely), then we can't rely on the blacks to clean up this list for us, so we might as well look at these guys ourselves.
tnkted - DrH has pointed out the scummy posts here mig - DrH again pointed out the scumminess kitaman - strongest opponent of protact, in my opinion overreacted. Kavdragon - I completely agree with protact that kav needs to stop with the general advice and start playing this game--but kav is still a dumb day1 lynch. After his performance in the last few games, he should be a target for scum if he's not one of them. Wiggles - haven't noticed this guy, other than GMs PBPA on him Darmousseh - fairly inactive (i think 2-3 posts) votes for GM, complains about spam Dropbear - posts look clean to me. Interacts and takes stands. Is a little too quiet perhaps (4-5 posts) Robellicose - another quiet one. One of his first posts seemed like a scumslip to me, but subsequent posts make it hard to say :/ Coagulation - looks to me like his green meta, but I would never bet money on this guy's alignment Darmousseh, mig, tnkted are the scummiest looking ones in my opinion. Chaoser, what happened to your campaign? ran out of energy? | ||
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A reminder from the other thread: Yet to vote: LemonWalrus, Rean, Conversion, jaminz, Barundar, Jackal58, Protactinium, Ilovejonn, Latrommi, Tackster, Kavdragon. I thought some of these people had voted, maybe they did in this thread only or something. I don't mind the blue list. I think it's understood that blues should still use their own judgment. But at the same time, giving a blue list is one of the best ways to 1) put pressure on scum 2) make them wifom about their NKs 3) show your own alignment On that note, I have already given my ideas on who to DT. As for medicing, I would prefer vet players over people like dropbear/redff. I would say protect Kav, drH (if not elected), kitaman, perhaps jackal or chaoser. Not saying these are pro-town, but they are good enough to not give themselves away day 1, while a scum team would want to pick them off. I would totally have put protact on this list if he hadn't claimed assassin -_- Which makes me wonder...why claim assassin protact? it seems like you could have been less transparent and perhaps gotten better results. I mean most of the town believes you capable of the leadership/analysis we're looking for, did you think you needed the added bonus of offering us your shots/check? One last question for the thread...why is eiii an assassin all of a sudden? I didn't find anything in his posts when I glanced through them. | ||
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Lanaia Robellicose Coagulation OriginalName AirbladeOrange M0nsterChef kevconsim Kenpachi Serejai Current voters for Gmarhsal. How do you attract all the lurkers and noobs GM? it's like magic... Seriously, serejai, AO, kev, need to post more. | ||
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On April 12 2011 07:17 Kavdragon wrote: I don't usually feel the pressure to explain my actions, but in this case I think it will help clear a few things up: (This is a response to a general sentiment that was voiced by Robe ^^) I've been talking to Ver, BC and RoL a lot over the past few games trying to improve my play. I started talking to Foolishness this game. Looking over many of the excellent town players, they all look at the setup and try to figure out what the mafia's strategy will be. I did the same thing. I saw a ton of new players, and a mafia with 4 KP. My immediate thought was that inactivity would be rampant among the newer players, and the mafia would have enough KP to kill of most, if not all the vocal people. With that in mind, I decided that the best course of action would be try to get the new players as involved as possible. To do this, I had to make it as easy as possible for them to get better. Sure, you can point them to another guide, but it's easier if it's in the thread. The players who are going out to read guides are not the problem. It's the players who are too lazy to read the guides that I'm trying to hook. It was my plan. It had problems, I see that now. I didn't anticipate the amount of spam that was thrown around. I didn't build flexability into my plan, to account for things that I should have known I couldn't see. Regardless, I think that the goal was sound. We NEED to get the new players on board with us, or we've already lost the game. That being said, I'll stop posting guides and try to contribute more to the thread now. still haven't said anything game relevant, still using too many words -_- You're defending yourself more than is warranted, especially since you've done nothing else. On April 12 2011 07:09 Barundar wrote: It's so quiet... ##Vote GMarshal Don't disappoint me, lynch an inactive/lurker please. Do you care which lurker/inactive? is this better than lynching OriginalName? Are you still comfortable with GM even though his analysis and plans have been shown to have holes? Try harder plz. | ||
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@ Kav: come at me bro | ||
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Good on you for quitting tackster. On to a healthier, nicer smelling future! | ||
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On April 12 2011 07:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm going to lynch Kavdragon yeah, i'm not sticking my neck out for that guy anymore -_- "yeah, I had a plan that involved contributing without contributing but now i see the folly of my ways and I'll now seem like I'm really going to contribute and my plan was good at heart but i just didn't foresee everything but look at me contributing see how long my posts are i must be protown" | ||
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On April 12 2011 07:41 GMarshal wrote: He said he was green in his goodbye post. oh well that proves it lol | ||
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On April 12 2011 08:39 Jackal58 wrote: Bigger question. Why did Pandain quit? If somebody replaces him I'll bet ya 20 bucks they're scum. The only reason Pandain would quit is because his scum team told him to. The guy is shameless. If he was town he'd Barney Fife his was as long as he could. Somebody told him to gtfo. Serejai is an intentional idiot. I hate people like him. I wouldn't be surprised if pandain asked for replacement because of the horrible abuse he got in the thread. Protact claims assassin day 1, people say "ooh, ballsy". Pandain claims DT day 1, people jump all over his ass. The level of vitriole went too far, I'm glad BB put a stop to it, but i'm sad he had too... On April 12 2011 08:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: good meta on kenpachi lolololololol i am of the firm opinion that kenpachi is so uniquely bad at mafia that attempting to analyse him is absolutely worthless. I don't even read his posts tbh i skip over them completely he could have been talking about how I am an asshole and like to wear panties and i wouldn't even know only in a desperate lategame situation will i attempt to analyse anything he writes More personal attacks... This isn't necessary or helpful DrH. Look how protact does it when he says he's ignoring pandain. Do better please. | ||
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On April 12 2011 14:23 Coagulation wrote: WOW this is so ANTI Town its not funny. Wtf are you thinking KAV.. once again, I agree totally with you coag... lynching kav was dumb, but kav played it even dumber. I think he wasn't hamming it up enough with his buddies Ver and Foolishness lol. Kav, for future reference, your scum read on DrH is questionable (I mean, we'll see when he flips eventually but I don't think it's a good read). And as for fostering a good thread environment, far better to lead by example than to do EXACTLY WHAT RADFIELD DID IN SALEM?!?! I stuck my neck out further than I wanted for you, but you just kept digging your hole deeper  Kav and DrH both made the same mistake: tunneling a player day1 because they were active and approached the thread in a way that didn't make sense to them. I bet Kav would have lynched DrH if he had been elected, and it would have been every bit as dumb... And yes, protact is right, that flip doesn't mean DrH is mafia. But I do hope DrH will slow down and think more... I love how at the end there, it was "Only way you could read me as scum is if you're scum" "Only way you could think that is if you're scum" "Only ... Lo and behold, DrH and Kav are both so dumb, they must be scum... | ||
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serejai, I'm sure you're having fun messing around, but get real already. | ||
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I regret voting for you doctor mayor. | ||
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On April 13 2011 13:54 bumatlarge wrote: Are you fucking kidding? Did you miss everything I posted? For you to idly dismiss what I've said is an abysmally bad town antic. I've given 100% accurate analysis on GM and why he is scum, and you have the nerve to say I'm just making noise? What has aidnai brought to the table this game people? I don't really remember reading a lot of his posts. 100% accurate... so this is a bus? I read everything you posted. You're accusing both of the two most vocal players of being scum on day 1, that's stupid town play. If you're scum, you're attempting to make a lot of noise for some reason. OMG, I haven't contributed a deep analysis yet on day 1, I must be scum! ... get real dood. | ||
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Like I said, if bum continues to try to stir things up with GM or DrH today, ignore him. We got better things to do than lynch our officials. | ||
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Your experiments with various controlled substances have produced the hottest new drug that's about to hit the black market: tdotium. This drug is so powerful of a psychoactive, it actually causes people to believe they've been transported to a magical land called Rainbow Rumpus Partytown, where the mushrooms are made of cake and you can ride ponies all night long. You've decided to put this drug to work to help the rest of your organization gain control of TLHQ. You may visit one person per night and slip a dose of your drug into their food. They will be far too drugged-out to do anything that night, so they will not perform their normal night-action. They will be informed that they were drugged-out as shit the next morning (sadly, your drug does not impair their memory). Being drugged-out does not prevent a Veteran from being a stone-cold badass, so he still takes 2 hits to kill. I assumed that you would be informed whether green/blue/black. I don't think barundar is claiming anything. | ||
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On April 13 2011 14:46 bumatlarge wrote: That's pretty hilarious, You're attempting to drag attention off everything I've said with a simple "noise" comment. Not gonna happen Mr. Scum. Unfortunately, I cannot kill you until I get GM out of the way, but if you want to try a reasonable approach and attempt to dismiss my GM "bus" without actually giving me reasons why my analysis isn't correct, then I'd be happy to reconsider. You don't think you can analyze day1? Nonsense. Get back to me when you've caught up with your tactics. I'd say the first course of action would be actually talking about alternatives rather then having your latest 5 posts be about how we should not pay attention to Bum's solid town play. Next scum come up to the table please. You are 100% certain GM is scum then? because if you lynch him today and he flips town, congratulations you just copy catted DrH's day one lynch. Kill the most vocal townies hurr durr... That's mafia's goal, btw. | ||
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I'm done talking to you for today Bum, unless you choose a different analysis target. | ||
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On April 12 2011 13:32 jaminz wrote: I realize I've been inactive for pretty much the entire game so far, and I don't really have a great excuse other than that I've been a bit busy lately. However, I'm working my way through the thread right now, and plan to be completely caught up by the end of the night. I've only played one game of Mafia before (Haunted Mafia this past Halloween - put on by Doctor H), so I'm still fairly new to the game, but I'm doing what I can to take everything in. Thanks in advance for everyone being patient with me. On April 12 2011 13:39 jaminz wrote: I'll be completely honest about that one, and you can ridicule me all you want for it: I was nervous that I'd be modkilled for not voting, and wanted to make sure I had a vote in before things got too out of hand so I voted for Dr. H. I know he knows how to play the game, and my gut said he was the one to pick. On April 13 2011 11:55 jaminz wrote: Man, this game is pretty intense. I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up, but I'm working on it. It seems like Bumatlarge, DoctorH, and GMarshal have all had a lot of analysis done on them so far, so I'll try to look at a few of the other players and post whatever analysis I can. Three posts in the thread as of now, all vaguely apologizing and not one single opinion. This is exactly the kind of dead weight we don't want around down the road -_- On April 12 2011 14:04 Latrommi wrote: Ok, there's suspicion. I get it. I had problems with getting the mafia forum's access, but got through with it enough to read a few pages before voting. On April 12 2011 14:07 Latrommi wrote: I understand now, and I can only try to make up my reputation lost. However, as this probably won't happen, I know I'm going to look very bad. Wow, another one -_- | ||
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At Protact: my intial reaction is skepticism, I'm trying to think through if it's worth it for us to lynch coag anyway. I'm thinking if FW is really assassin, then yes, this is his one shot. He won't be medic'd, he's got a target on his back tonight. That means he has to get a black lynched plus hit one tonight, and there has to be only three total like he originally claimed. Seems unlikely. Also if he's assassin, then he didn't have night actions last night and didn't really check coag, so there's a good chance he'd be wrong. Lynch coag, if he's red, we medic protact? We have time to figure this one out at least. | ||
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On April 13 2011 16:22 Protactinium wrote: Why didn't I run for mayor normally? First of all, I wanted to mix it up a bit, and second, it gives us way more information than we would have had otherwise. Like I said, an assassin claim provokes a mafia reaction in order for them to avoid an assassin mayor/pardoner. Even if I die tonight, its well worth it. I'm pretty confident you'd all be pretty lost right now if I hadn't drawn out the mafia. drawn out which mafia? you've put out coag, he hasn't flipped yet, but having read his posts myself he was not high on my suspect list. Also, 'mix it up a bit' sounds retarded. You coulda won the mayor campaign easily with zero claims, most townies were complaining about how stupid all the other campaigns were and EVEN AFTER CLAIMING BLACK you came in an easy 3rd place... It's definitely suspicious that IF you are an assassin, this is your only viable play today. Even more so that there wasn't actually a good reason to claim assassin in the first place as a DT. I think that, as you said yourself, you got assassin, didn't like the role, and tried to make the best of the situation. IN ANY CASE, I'm not going to let this prevent scumhunting at least for the sake of our vigilantes. i.e. even if we lynch coag, the remaining vigis might have something to go on. | ||
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Coag, I don't really see why you claimed, but ok. | ||
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He's really an assassin, using the last trick up his sleeve. | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: All that has to happen to save Coagulation in my mind is a veteran claim. That would show that this is a special gametype and I'd reevaulate Protactiniums position. 40 player game, why are you convinced there's only one vet?! and why fish for them that's just facepalm dumb. Vets are totally useless once they claim :/ maybe you're hoping coag is scum and one of his scumbuddies claims vet as well now? I just don't get what you're thinking... | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: because if you take assassins out of the picture, this isn't a very large setup. I've balanced and seen enough set-ups to know that the multiple vet scenario is pretty rare in the case that there are medics. if a second vet claims then that gives me a jumping off point to at least reevaluate the situation. otherwise there is no choice to lynch coagulation think critically maybe some things are better left unsaid aidnai Ok, I agree some things are better left unsaid, but I guess I can't help but wonder what you're thinking sometimes... as for thinking critically, I'd ask you, if protact was in fact black, what are his possible plays today? you pointed out correctly (I believe) that his chances are slim with this play, but I still don't think there's any better play for him? logically, it seems to me the MOST LIKELY explanation for protact claiming black day 1 is that he was in fact black. I'll grant it's possible that it was all a ploy to draw out scum (btw this would be easier to believe if you posted your list protact). IF PROTACT IS BLACK, what else could we expect out of him today? roll over and die? the guy obviously wants to have fun and make a splash, why not go out in style right? | ||
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SCUMMY LURKER LIST latrommi Milkyst <- 1 post + 1 vote lol jaminz serejai rean none of these players are interacting with the game in any meaningful way. Scared of imba scumtells much? depending on activity levels as today progresses, we might get a nice vig shot on one of these, I'm thinking milkyst. On April 11 2011 21:18 Milkyst wrote: And that's exactly what I'm going to do. I'm voting for redFF. He wants people to be lynched, been talking alot of trash as well throughout the thread. He's also wanting to urge the townies to vote for one of these three... little bit suspicious if you ask me. His only post proves he's been reading the thread (look at bolded part), but all he can say is he wants to lynch redFF because he's a 'little bit suspicious'. 1 post and 1 vote per day keeps the modkill away right? goodnight everybody. | ||
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1) likely scenario is protact = assassin, coag = vet 2) mafia don't really care about who we kill here 3) debating this is therefore mostly a waste of time. Best course of action is let protact die tonight, decide about a coag lynch based on the flip (or vig him pretty please Therefore it's time to post my lynch candidate: Rean. + Show Spoiler [rean's posts with commentary] + On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote: yeah right you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person keep trying, you're pretty amusing. One of the quickest and most dismissive responses to protact. Doesn't mean he's scum yet, but in combo with his later acceptance of protact is completely damning. On April 11 2011 19:20 Rean wrote: I'm starting to think that the third assasin not Prot or Eiii is laughing his ass off. Both his adversary's have been revealed and with Prot's campaign failing, he has this in the bag, A good thing for town aswell, the quicker these assasins gtfo out of the game the less chance they accidentally kill a townie. not-so-subtley suggesting that eiii is assassin, which I think was unfounded (but maybe not it's not important to my case). On April 12 2011 07:32 Rean wrote: Placeholder vote on DrH right now, seems to be the best candidate although i'd ask to tone down thew aggresiveness a bit. As for who to lynch: Pandain seems to be a safe bet, his fakeclaim DT is completely retarded and even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him. THIS POST IS IMPORTANT! "even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. On April 12 2011 08:15 Rean wrote: Meapak says it's okay to pm the host: [01:14] <+Meapak> FUCK [01:14] <+Meapak> redff [01:14] <+Meapak> dude [01:14] <+Meapak> I'm at 1499 posts [01:14] <+Meapak> I can't post [01:14] <+GGQ> i keep accidentally missing my milestone posts [01:14] <+Meapak> just tell him that he can PM the hosts Apparently he's in irc with GGQ zzz... On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote: I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it. Is it working? Responds to a legitimate point by blowing it off and trolling. 1) His response time shows he's actively reading this thread (responded within 10 minutes) 2) His thread presence in Insane 2 shows his 'normal' activity level 3) His thread presence in this game shows??? and yet all he does for the next several posts is claim mafia -_- Why would a mafia do this? well, the main reason I think would be to be able to ask 'why would a mafia do this?' while at the same time COMPLETELY DODGING THE QUESTION. This game is definitely not boring, there's no excuse for his activity level. On April 12 2011 23:10 Rean wrote: Nah, he's my teammate but he's putting the "ask stupid questions and look like a total newbie" method to the test. I'm trying out the strategy I explained above trollolol -_- On April 12 2011 23:29 Rean wrote: Don't complain, we want them to kill town so they don't lynch us. We talked over this yesterday, remember? zzz... On April 13 2011 00:13 Rean wrote: Awesome. Now all we need is iGrok to swap in for one of my other scumbuddy's and the famed Insane Mafia 2 police team is back worket together once more! ON, can't you suddenly be inable to play so iGrok can swap in or something? At this point, it's obvious that Rean is trying to bring his activity level to 'normal' levels while ignoring what is actually going on so he doesn't have to take a stance. On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote: What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. Lynch for information, a risk worth taking... I want what this guy has been smoking. On April 13 2011 07:33 Rean wrote: ....that has to be the most retarded analogy yet. no comment On April 13 2011 17:01 Rean wrote: Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2. As for the Coagulation affair: looking through all of his previous posts, two things really stand out above all: he is extremely paranoid of Prot becoming mayor, freaking out whenever it seems likely that he's being elected only to continue lurking once the threat dies down. Secondly, he has another classic "100% town guys dw had town read all along" read a la Lemonwalrus on GMarshal, despite the fact that alot of people have being pointing out how scummy GMarshal has been all along. I don't know, but I doubt anyone not mafia buddy's with him would trust their reads this much when alot of others are doubting him. Then again, that's what I thought in Insane Mafia 2 aswell and look how that turned out >.> If I had to guess right now, i'd say that both Coagulation and GMarshal are red. Protactinium: I honestly don't fucking know if you're assassin or DT, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Being a veteran player you could've easily made that read as a assassin. Right now i'd say we lynch Coagulation and if he flips red, medic Prot. If he flips green (doubtful) Prot dies. This is where it gets juicy again: a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. Thanks for making it easy Rean On April 13 2011 17:12 Rean wrote: I'm saying that if he's a assassin, he just made the read on Coagulation because it's pretty easy to see he's scum based on his posting. He's a veteran player after all, it wouldn't be all that far-fetched. Sure, he'd be lying his ass off but he's not actually being detrimental to town so /care. Once again, contradicting his original rejection of protact. This is huge: before he couldn't accept for one second that protact would play in a way that didn't hurt town, now he's convinced of the opposite. What's the difference? well, in case one protact is denying scum a chance at mayor, in case two, protact is tying up a medic, but still role-blockable. On April 13 2011 17:35 Rean wrote: That just about seals the deal. Cya Coagulation. This alone makes me sure that coag is a bad lynch today. On April 13 2011 18:32 Rean wrote: So he is a assassin, whatever. Doesn't clear you one bit, you've still acted pretty damn scummy all game long. Yes, acted scummy by opposing protact as mayor amirite? On April 13 2011 21:09 Rean wrote: Read the damn thread, plenty of people are reading him as scum, notably because of his extreme opposition towards Prot while also heavily promoting GMarshal to be mayor (without ever giving any solid reason as to why GM other then "had town read on him". You're following scum 101: one of your buddies under threat? Suggest they lynch someone else. Try harder please. mudslinging more mudslinging. If you don't want to read the whole wall of text, read only the quotes that I posted red under. Important points to remember: 1) Rean's attitude towards protact and coag proves that he is mafia 2) Rean's attitude towards his activity level and his responses to criticism indicate he is mafia 3) Rean's lack of contribution and mudslinging just put the nail in the coffin. Lynch Red. Lynch Rean. | ||
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On April 14 2011 07:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol this is almost identical to my list lol I'm thinking at most two of those are scum... | ||
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Your thought process regarding protact pretty much mirrored mine, so naturally I kinda trust you at the moment. I'd love to have you on board with the lynching rean, so tell me what you think please! On April 14 2011 07:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I disagree hugely with a large part of your analysis on Rean, I'll talk about that later with you. ... You replied so fast I don't think you read it. Also there's only one large part to my analysis on rean, and I don't see how you can disagree with it... T.T And, to take care of this for now, ##Vote: Rean | ||
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We don't even get definitive info on redff But it is less likely that he's scum... | ||
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He's contradicting himself! Step a: reject protact without consideration, without hesitation (yes other people did this, like kita and coag) Step b: Call coag scum (not assassin, he said he's scum even if protact flips black) with one of his main reasonings being the way coag rejected protact. That's the main issue. He hasn't taken a stand on practically anything else, if this is the only thing he cares about enough to post about, a townie would be consistent. If you really called for medic prot on protact, I have a problem with that chaoser. You too DrH. But I would have even more of a problem if the day previous you had only taken one stance and that was that protact is obviously anti-town and can't be trusted in the slightest. Again, look at the contrast: On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote: yeah right you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person keep trying, you're pretty amusing. Completely dismissive, he 'knows better' than to believe FW could play protown. versus On April 13 2011 17:12 Rean wrote: I'm saying that if he's a assassin, he just made the read on Coagulation because it's pretty easy to see he's scum based on his posting. He's a veteran player after all, it wouldn't be all that far-fetched. Sure, he'd be lying his ass off but he's not actually being detrimental to town so /care. Now that protact has 'caught a scum', rean couldn't care less about his alignment, about his big scary alternate win-con, and how he can't possibly play pro-town? And on top of that, he wants to use a medic on him? Just yesterday, he was convinced that if protact got body guard protection, he'd have us lynching the assassins while the assassins shot the townies. Well, if we medic prot him and he's black, doesn't that mean the assassins will be shooting the medics? He obviously didn't think it through enough. The problem is, this is the ONLY thing Rean has done in the thread, so what that says to me is that he doesn't actually give a rip about town The rest of the analysis was just icing on the cake... | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: coagulation is not a power player I can't see any mafia faking a DT claim to save a lynch on coagulation. that's pretty desperate play especially considering how much dissent there already is to the lynch: and the fact that mafia has no reason to try to get protactinium lynched/killed if they believe he is the assassin (unlike the reasons they would have to keep him out of office) Rean rean rean.... | ||
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On April 14 2011 12:49 MetalFace wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2011 12:22 redFF wrote: OMG YES, he has 3 posts in this thread and his signup. Let's look at them. I actually responded to it already when it was posted, now that it is relevant again i can bring attention to it. There is no fucking direction or contribution to this opening post. Now let's look at every other post he made in this thread... He says that his direction was that people who attacked protact's campaign had scummy motives. Who had said the exact same thing? Protact had, he is simply mimicking what protact had already wrote. Kita actually summed it up quite nicely with those quotes of him stating the obvious. He hasn't posted since that vote for protact. No reaction to the assassin he voted for mayor claiming dt. Lurking bigtime because he is afraid of someone reading him as scum? Already happened bro, gotta come out and post now. Hey, cool. Sorry I don't post a ton. Don't have access to a computer at all times of the day and this thread fills up faster than you'd think  And if you're upset that I haven't come in yet with some groundbreaking analysis or huge lead, well, you who played with me last time can attest that I'm actually just not that great at the game. And, unfortunately, as I think of things, people seem to have posted it before I get the chance. Anywho, I think Prot is full of crap. Someone else mentioned it but I think it's true that he is actually just an assassin who is upset he didn't get immunity from becoming mayor, so now he needs a new lie to keep himself alive. I think Lynch All Liars should be applied here and we should just out him now, but apparently other people think differently. There's a lot of pointless arguing right now. Just kill Prot. Hot damn you showed up fast | ||
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Bum, I'm sorry I tried to shut you down analyzing DrH/Gmarhsal. I have a town read on DrH, and I didn't see enough of a scum case on Gmarshal to justify a lynch on day 2. He fooled me pretty bad in team mini mafia as well...oh well. Obviously our medic targets and vig targets are easy choices tonight. GL blues! | ||
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On April 16 2011 05:24 aidnai wrote: Despite this being horrible town play taken at face value, as it turns out this was quite a gift to town from Kav. This must have really rubbed the scum team the wrong way. Well, yes, yes it did lol. posted this in the wrong thread TT | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:33 OriginalName wrote: Well GMarshal you actually put forward an agreeable plan. Lynching My really base reads right now are GMarshal is town. Ive been on a scumteam with him he has more holes than swiss cheese. However as a mayor I would like to know what his plans are after Day 1 as lets face it D1 lynch is a damn crapshoot 80% of the time and when I vote I want more long term goals and ideas in mind Im not amazing at reads however if people do put forward them I will take the time to look at their scum reads. Another thing - one thing I picked up from a vet and I think we ought to start doing is analysing tge posts of those nightkilled. Imagine if we looked at GMs reads in insane 2 GF may have been outed faster creating a completely different game (ie Blacks wouldnt have made enough money for the names). So there ##Vote Gmarshal and all dat jazz. This comes after protacts assassin announcement and completely ignores it. 100% scum, I know DrH has been saying black but I believe he's just trying to get assassins to work for us. Since we don't have to vigi coag anymore, hit LSB. | ||
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On April 16 2011 06:30 Rean wrote: If I am the vigilante there's no point in defending yourself because you're practically dead. And what same mistake are you talking about? I thought coag lynch was a bad lynch because I had a scum read on you and you flippantly posted "goodbye coag" too quickly after protacts DT claim imo. I thought townies would have put more thought into it, and most other townies did. There's a reason Gmarshal said he played more pro-town than most townies -- he might have actually had you in mind. Now that coag and gmarshal have flipped, it's a lot easier to read the thread though. If you read ON/LSB, it's pretty obvious they are scum with scum motives. On April 10 2011 13:33 OriginalName wrote: Well GMarshal you actually put forward an agreeable plan. Lynching My really base reads right now are GMarshal is town. Ive been on a scumteam with him he has more holes than swiss cheese. However as a mayor I would like to know what his plans are after Day 1 as lets face it D1 lynch is a damn crapshoot 80% of the time and when I vote I want more long term goals and ideas in mind Im not amazing at reads however if people do put forward them I will take the time to look at their scum reads. Another thing - one thing I picked up from a vet and I think we ought to start doing is analysing tge posts of those nightkilled. Imagine if we looked at GMs reads in insane 2 GF may have been outed faster creating a completely different game (ie Blacks wouldnt have made enough money for the names). So there ##Vote Gmarshal and all dat jazz. ON is basically looking for excuses to elect gmarshal here. That's the reason he ignores the other candidates, especially protact. The last paragraph "Another thing - " is him trying to blend in and seem townie-ish. Actually so is the paragraph before... | ||
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ggEDIT: Hope it wasn't a damn vigi grr... EDIT 2: Congrats eiii for slipping day 1 and somehow still winning?! | ||
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On April 16 2011 14:04 aidnai wrote: ggEDIT: Hope it wasn't a damn vigi grr... EDIT 2: Congrats eiii for slipping day 1 and somehow still winning?! i had a premonition about this but i couldnt exactly say vigis plz dont shoot me now could i... oh well | ||
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