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He's sitting out a one game ban. He can't join any games until Insane 2 ends. | ||
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On April 05 2011 10:16 GMarshal wrote: Bussing in this context means getting a scumbuddy lynched to get town credibility, most games don't actually have bus drivers as a role. Yeah, it's short for throwing somebody under the bus, ie sacrificing your teammate. | ||
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On April 09 2011 08:47 Mr. Wiggles wrote: /confirm Don't worry too much, this shouldn't be as active as insane, because, well, Insane was Insane. Hopefully people won't spam that much in this game, and I'd even like to put in a request that people try to limit their posting unless they have something relevant/meaningful to add to the conversation. People who just quote others, and say "I agree", or repeat the same things as others have already brought up, are perfect examples of "contributing without contributing", and that's a scum-tell. I agree about not spamming for sure, but telling people to "limit their posting unless they have something relevant/meaningful to add" can be intimidating for first time players of forum mafia. If you're a first time player, don't be afraid to get your thoughts out there in the thread, even if your thoughts aren't as deep or valuable as other players' thoughts. You're only gonna learn by trying. Plus, if your posting style makes us see that you're green, we won't have to waste time lynching you :D. | ||
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On April 10 2011 04:04 kitaman27 wrote: No reason to lynch an assassin. Just analyze them and leave them to die by the other assassins. I agree with this, and want to point out that one way to tell the difference between mafia and assassins is that mafia know each other and assassins only know themselves. So while both will want to avoid notice and will seem anti-town, the mafia will be the ones who seem to have extra information that they are hiding. | ||
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On April 10 2011 09:33 kevconsim wrote: honestly i only post when i have something to say... Then you need to find more to say than you have in the last couple of games. | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:21 GGQ wrote: Protactinium did was I was planning to do if I got assassin, lol. But SOMEBODY didn't make me one, even though I asked D: | ||
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I've supported making Protact the Pardoner since his first announcement, so that should be no surprise to anyone. As for DocH, well... it makes me nervous that he said pre-game that he wouldnt run unless he's mafia... if he turns out to be mafia I'll feel really really stupid. But I think he just realised the same thing as me; none of the other candidates were very good, so he decided to run. GMarshal, I'm sorry if you turn out to be town, but your posts in this game have just been bad, bad, bad. I don't want you as mayor or pardoner. tnkted, I just don't think you're competent enough, sorry. kitaman running specifically for pardoner is weird and sketchy. Don't like it. And those are our only options. -_- | ||
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On April 12 2011 05:08 aidnai wrote: This thread is already a nightmare to search... Eiii, who called you out on this? I've read the whole thread and didn't notice your "slip-up", whereas an assassin would probably have noticed. Not a 100% thing by any means, but worth considering... I noticed it, and I'm certainly not an assassin. | ||
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On April 12 2011 09:43 Jackal58 wrote: I'm leaving shortly. I voted for Protactinium Not because I want him as mayor but because I want him as Pardoner. I am hoping 3 or 4 of you will switch your votes from GMan to Proact to make him the pardoner. Jackal58 keeps saying what I'm thinking. Now I'm really uncomfortable. | ||
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On April 12 2011 12:32 GMarshal wrote: If most of the town wants the assassin as pardoner then they really deserve to lose. Now that you know how weak (and even anti-town) the pardoner role is, why do you think that it's a bad deal for town to trade it for two kills and a role check? | ||
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On April 12 2011 12:41 GMarshal wrote: BECAUSE ITS ANTI TOWN if we are going to lynch the last mafia then Protac *has* to use it to by himslef an extra day to hunt out the last assassin If we are in a position to win with a lynch he has to disrupt us so he can still win, *and* we can't afford to lynch him for it If it's the last mafia, then we'll just lynch the last mafia with the next lynch? Pardoner can only pardon one lynch. Unless it's lylo, which is impossible because that would mean that protact is still around, which would mean that there's at least one bodyguard around, plus at least one more assassin, plus the mayor, etc. What situation can you imagine where Protact using the pardon spells dire doom for town? | ||
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On April 12 2011 12:56 chaoser wrote: GM, respond to my post. When would it happen that proct being pardoner, would turn our game from winning to losing? He already responded to me saying he isn't going to theorycraft such a situation, but HES NOT TOWN SO HE BAD. | ||
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On April 12 2011 12:53 GMarshal wrote: I;m not going to bother theorizing, he is *not* town, and not pro-town and by giving him *anything* we really hurt the town. This has been argued to death, despite his claims he is not going to help town, like all of us he is in this to win it and I AM NOT going to allow the town to fuck itself over day one if I can possibly avoid it. Not on my watch. If he's in it to win it, he doesn't have to do a fucking thing to hurt town, and he can actually do quite a lot to help town. I still don't see the issue. | ||
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On April 12 2011 12:54 GMarshal wrote: Kita I think your supporters have to move their votes to me to make sure that the assassin dosn't get into the town elected roles. You're still well ahead of Protact. You're just trying to get ahead of DocH now. | ||
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On April 13 2011 03:45 aidnai wrote: DT checks on lurkers are especially helpful since they are hard to analyze. Jaminz/serejai/GGQ/Latrommi/Metalface etc. Look at the list of players, find players that are hiding. serejai, I'm sure you're having fun messing around, but get real already. Me and not Rean, who's fucking around just as much as serejai is? I've been in the thread putting out my criticism of GMarshal and support for Protact as Pardoner, and I continue to stand by both of those calls. I actually would have lynched GMarshal last night once he became Pardoner, but now it's too late, he's gonna see the bodyguards before we can kill him. If bumatlarge is pushing for a GMarshal lynch tomorrow, I'm behind it all the way. If he wants to lynch DrH, I'm going to need more convincing, but I'm not completely sold on him as town yet. You guys want me to talk about what blues should do? I think it just helps the mafia pick their kills, but alright. Medics and/or watchers on bumatlarge pls. Also chaoser, and perhaps kitaman. No one else has proven their value like they have. Trackers shouldn't be going to the targets that everyone is suspecting, since if the mafia can choose which member to send for each kill, then can just choose not to send that person and tracker gets a false inno report. Track people that you think are scummy that haven't been called out much or at all. | ||
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On April 13 2011 05:54 redFF wrote: Since we are posting scum lists: M0nsterChef OriginalName Kevconsim GM Go read my previous posts for those 4 Mig- not sure about. He was acting very scummy early on, and voting for GM. ON also did a contentless PBPA on him and concluded town. All this did is make him look far more suspicious in my eyes. I also think coag is an assassin, because of how batshit crazy he went every time protact got a vote for mayor. Coag is always batshit crazy, that means nothing. | ||
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How about instead of asking retarded questions, you do things to make sure you don't end up on there? | ||
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On April 13 2011 13:57 darmousseh wrote: Analysis on me by chaoser + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 13:41 chaoser wrote: Read up to Page 83 and I want to look at someone Darm: He says this and yet when GM bounced around a bit he still voted him Backtracks off Kav Very much against Prot being in office, says he is probably mafia. But then, even though this whole time he was against Prot being in office, all of a sudden he changes his stance and says DrH's plan was "the most pro-town of all" when previous he had said Prot was probably red. Why would you want Prot in office then, regardless of if he is red or black? Again says he is weary prot...and kav + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 02:42 darmousseh wrote: I usually don't answer stuff like this because it's just trying to get people to react in a certain manner etc, but day 1 is always speculative. The only things we can go off so far is prot claiming. The other million posts in the thread are just useless "Lynch all lairs, lynch/dont lynch inactices, lynch lurkers" fluff which ver already wrote a good thread about and trying to argue whether it's good or not for a non town-aligned player to have a town favorable role (mayor) which is obviously idiotic without having to even argue against it. There are 2 types of people on day 1, spammers and lurkers. If you aren't spamming then, "omg you are a lurker you scum". I find that this analysis is usually wrong. Good scum will play the same as they normally do when they are scum or town, but it's the little things (like the words themselves) which give an indication whether a person is trying to act intentionally or just aggressively. This is why I believe that Kav is black, his posts seem "forced", but not forced enough when he was scum and he is playing safe, which is why I think he is black. I've been scum and town with kav before in the past and my read on him is based on those past games and while I think gmarshal is town, I think DrH is more town and is better suited for mayor at this point. I was a little weary of DrH only because he didn't believe me when I came up with a plan in mini-mafia (which ended up partially costing the game), but that is the past and I think he is a good person to lead town. Either him or gmarshal would be good candidates, going with DrH based on gut. On April 12 2011 14:55 darmousseh wrote: I'm mostly in agreement with this, but it's because I had a anti-town read on kav, and the way he went down was very anti-town. I was considering switching the vote for gmarshal towards the end, but kav just screwed town. lol...look at all this wishy washy posting Lynch Darm or Lynch ON on Day 2. I read kav and he is usually a good townie so at first he was helpful. After a while, his posts seemed forceful and intentional rather than his normal style of posting. Gmarshal is probably town, but DrH is definitely town based on games I've played with him in the past. We already determined that the pardoner is a bad role for town, so let's make prot pardoner and then lynch him. Simple plan easy to execute, guaranteed black dead. Also, we will have plenty of time tomorrow to find out the scum. We have all sorts of detectives, trackers, watchers to help get town information and information is power. Suggesting to lynch someone 5 minutes before the next day even starts is terrible. Electing prot as pardoner is a good idea, wasting a lynch to kill a black is bad, that doesnt make sense. Also, trying to make town feel comfortable with 'we have plenty of time to find scum' and encouraging reliance on power roles is scummy play. And wtf is with your last sentence? There's five minutes left in the night, it's definitely not too early to scumhunt. | ||
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On April 14 2011 04:50 LSB wrote: Oh. That would explain alot if Flamewheel is black. Flamewheel needs to get medic protection any way possible, so he does analysis on someone and tries to find a red. This is what most players, including me, are assuming at this point. But the thing is, who cares if he is black, as long as he is correctly finding reds for us we should keep him around. He must have picked coagulation as his target for a reason, he must be confident that coagulation will turn up red so he can get protection tonight. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:30 GMarshal wrote: Well then I guess I have no choice but to claim. I'm a DT. I will *not* reveal who I checked as to not put them into any danger. I was hoping to keep this as a surprise to the scum in the lategame, but I'm not going to let the assassin get away with shit. Your attitude toward Protact made it obvious, tbh. Frankly, I'm not sure I believe it, and I'll explain why in a minute. | ||
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On April 14 2011 14:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Please stop posting. This interferes with my analysis of the game whether you think what you're posting is relevant or not. I have to agree. Dead people stay out of the thread pls. | ||
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In the OP, it states that not every role is guaranteed to be in the game. I believe that the DT is one role that is not in this game. My logic is simple; there's no millers. The miller role has been replaced by the nosy neighbour; a townie that shows up at deaths to throw doubt on tracker/watcher reports. I think that a DT with no miller is too powerful, so we probably only have trackers/watchers as our information roles. So I have a tough time believing GMarshal is a DT. Why didn't I bring this up for Pandain or Protact's DT claims? They were both obviously fake anyways... I figured I might as well hold on to this thought until someone claimed DT and was actually believed. However, even IF GMarshal is a DT, his little thing with Protact really doesn't change anything in my mind. To me, it's always been clear that Protact is assassin and faked DT claim. The argument about lynching Coagulation is that the only reason for him to fake a guilty on Coagulation is that he's sure Coagulation will flip red. That's what he's depending on, and his analysis should be given some weight for sure. (There is an outside chance that Protact believe Coag is black and is trying to get us to lynch him, but that's been shown to be unlikely already and if so Coag's win condition would require him to claim black to survive a little longer). And I haven't seen anyone argue against Protact's actual analysis of Coagulation, only against his DT claim. I thought from DrH's posts that he understood this, which is why I find it very strange that he switch off Coagulation after GMarshal's DT claim. | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:28 Coagulation wrote: Well im not gonna NOT ask for pardon AS town it would be pretty stupid to not plead my case. If you get pardoned, you will be guaranteed to be lynched tomorrow. That just wastes another day and is very anti-town. | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:55 GMarshal wrote: I'm not willing to be reasonable about this. I am sticking to my guns, if it means I die then so fucking be it. See you in hell fw! I do not lynch on the words of someone who is anti town I do not follow a liar I will not allow the town to do the same while it is in my power to prevent it. This isn't about weather or not coag is scum, I dont give a damn if protac guessed right. This is about fighting for my principles And I will be damned, to the pits of hell, if I go back on my principles. If you turn out to actually be town, I am never going to listen to a single thing you ever say in mafia again after your disastrous posting this game. | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:59 kitaman27 wrote: GMarshal, if this is one of those "see how the town reacts" moves, I swear I'll personally hunt you down. Pretty sure it's not, but he'll probably change his mind and claim it was within the next 3 hours. I hope so, anyway. | ||
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On April 15 2011 12:12 bumatlarge wrote: Was dropbear the guy that claimed tracker? I forgot about this. No, that was the guy with a 0 in this name. umm Monsterchef claimed he tracked redFF and redFF didn't go anywhere. | ||
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On April 15 2011 12:43 Serejai wrote: Guys... I know I have been trolling most of the game, and I feel with the recent drama I owe my Opinion on what is currently happening in the game. Because this is my first time playing I'm sure I Don't really know what's going on, but here's my take on things. First off, it seems like most people are just being sheep and following the advice of others without Any thoughts of their own. I know that's what I'm doing because I don't feel I understand enough to Think for my own just yet. Because of this, you veteran players need to realize that what you post Has a very large effect on players like myself. It feels like some players have personal issues with Each other and that's making it extremely hard for me to learn the gameplay. Stop the hateful Responses and personal attacks and stick to analyses and stuff please. Secondly, it feels like most of you are doing things with no real reason. A lot of you seem so overly Eager to tunnel in on someone even without solid proof, and so I'm finding myself changing votes to React to the newest "omg he's mafia, lynch him" target quite often. Like, is there a method to Everyone's madness? I'm having trouble seeing anything other than people calling out each other Just for the hell of it. For example, I personally feel that Coag and GM are scum and I don't have an Analysis of my own for them, so I don't post one. Yet other players that don't have their own are Insistent on posting random garbage just to bandwagon. It makes it hard for me to understand things.  Don't keep changing votes to react to the newest 'omg he's mafia'. Your job is to read all these accusations and figure out which ones make sense and which ones are bullshit. Sometimes you'll be right, sometimes you'll be wrong. As you get better at the game, you'll be right more often. | ||
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On April 15 2011 12:45 Kenpachi wrote: DropBear i wont argue with you. you're just new. I'd like to see your argument, actually. You've just dismissed the accusation over and over. I trust DropBear more than you at this point. Let's see what you have to say for yourself. | ||
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On April 15 2011 13:54 GMarshal wrote: Well, then I'm done. I played more pro-town this game than when I'm town. But you people are blind GG You certainly tried to, but you came off scummy, as I and others were saying since day 1. Sorry, man, learn from mistakes you made, don't blame us. | ||
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On April 15 2011 14:28 chaoser wrote: that lynch should have felt awesome. been calling him out since day 1. but it didn't even feel good...just left a bad taste in my mouth. blahhh. whatever. LSB Coag redFF all FoS-ed for obvious reasons -_- I know exactly what you mean. But at least I'm relieved he flipped red because I would have lost a lot of respect for GMarshal's town play if he flipped town lol. | ||
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On April 16 2011 02:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Serejai is definitely not mafia. If he is replaced I think he deserves a medic. Considering you thought GMarshal was definitely not mafia after his fake DT claim, I'm going to take this with a grain of salt. | ||
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On April 16 2011 02:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He claimed blue outside the thread. It's not fair that I'm the only person who knows about it, but really I have a hard time not thinking he's blue in this game after reading these posts: Read his few posts where he's not acting like an idiot. He's not that stupid. Look how he's going out of his way to emphasize that he's blue, that he has a role, etc. I don't believe it for a second. | ||
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Be very careful about listening to flamewheel/protact anymore, on the off chance that he survives the night. The only reason his coagulation analysis was given any weight is because he was trying to convince us that he's a dt so he had to finger a red. He now knows that we all know he's an assassin, so if he's playing to his win condition then we can't trust any further analysis by him. I think I now know why he was keeping his list of other suspects a secret until after the lynch: he wants to use them as a bargaining chip to gain protection. He's now going to say that he is pretty sure of all the mafia and he will tell us who they are if he survives until the morning. Wait for it. I want to question the use of medics/watchers on the bodyguards. I don't want to offend anyone here, but The_Roist and MetalFace are hardly valuable players in and of themselves. And they are protecting DrH, whom I am still not 100% sure is town, and who has (imo) been making pretty bad calls for most of the game (and he's claimed vet, so he'd take two hits for mafia to kill anyway). I would rather see the survival of a few strong town players that have been doing well this game, like chaoser and bumatlarge (though his attempt to take all the credit for lynching GMarshal is insulting at best and suspicious at worst...) and, dare I say it, me. I think the best thing is to have our medics consider protecting the bodyguards (if mafia want to double stack to kill MetalFace or The_Roist, that's ok with me...) and watchers must be on the other players I named, or on other players that they have good town reads on (maybe Barundar or kitaman?). I see the mafia going for other town players, not the mayor tonight, imo. | ||
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 GL town. | ||
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Also, /zombie | ||
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GG mafia, I'm 2/2 as a vigilante so far | ||
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On April 24 2011 10:04 ilovejonn wrote: Whaaat, I didn't know I was a nosy neighbor lol. Thought I was just a regular townie. And I knew mafia team was highly inexperienced when Coag flipped GF. No offense. =) Nosy neighbours are like millers; you don't know if you are one. You just get the townie role pm. It's so that trackers/watchers can't be sure that someone visiting a death is 100% mafia. | ||
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I killed serejai, chaoser killed LSB. The last vig, urishakt must have done one of the night 3 kills. | ||
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On April 25 2011 11:32 urashimakt wrote: No, you're right. I forgot about the Coagulation incident and confused the switches. I ended up hitting Mig. Can't blame you too much, tbh. | ||
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