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On March 29 2011 05:46 kitaman27 wrote: New people, I declare myself your leader. We shall rise up against the tyrannical GMarshal and put his head on a platter. /in Strength in numbers newbies! | ||
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Maybe this is more accurate? | ||
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PMs PMs are not allowed in this game unless your role allows for it. I can't find any mention of PMs in any of the role descriptions. Which roles can use PMs? Can mafia PM each other? | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:22 ilovejonn wrote: Friday, Friday, everyone get down on Friday. FUN FUN FUN >____> ##Execute: ilovejonn | ||
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My life for the town! | ||
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On April 10 2011 16:02 Protactinium wrote: Unless you actively lynch Assassins (who most likely are going to either keep quiet or try to act overly pro-town) or they are killed by Mafia, I don't complete my mission objective. I don't really care how long it takes: there are 40 people in this game with no extra Mafia KP and no hatters. Ladies and gents, this is why I am not voting for Protactinium. Should he be elected, the longer he stays in office the more desperate the other assassins will get. They have incentive to kill the bodyguards. What incentive does he have to do anything to help us? We're his shield. It's in his interest to stay til the end and the longer he stays in the more likely townies will die unnecessarily. I am much more comfortable voting for someone who is useful AND pro-town like chaoser or GMarshal. The back and forth between Kavdragon and DocH is suss and I don't trust either of them enough. | ||
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On April 10 2011 16:06 kitaman27 wrote: I stopped reading here. The assassin, whose goal is the kill other assassins, is trying to tell us he doesn't want to lynch assassins. Good point by Kita. You are going to direct lynches at them, yes you are not. There is pretty blatant contradiction here. More thoughts to follow. | ||
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On April 10 2011 17:11 chaoser wrote: He does win, he doesn't need to lynch assassins to win, he just needs them to all be dead. Whether that's from his own KP, mafia's KP or lynch, doesn't matter. The moment we think he's not playing "pro-town" we can lynch him. Just like how any other player would be dealt with. If a mayor was red and playing anti-town, we lynch. If it was a green who was elected and he was plying subpar and anti-town, we'd lynch. We basically treat everyone who's in a mayor position in the same way. At least he brings two KP and a check to the table. He has no real reason to go against town. There's no way he'll win the assassin game by day 2, not even close. At most he'll win late game. I say we give him pardoner, use his sexy sexy brain and KP/check powers and profit. It'd then be in the mafia's best interest to take out black so that the assassin game can end early and Prot is whisked off. That's good for town cause then they need to focus on black, not green. As I said, the longer it takes for him to win, the more likely bodyguards or randoms townies get killed by the other assassins. With this many players there are likely to be a few as well. Much higher chance of crossfire. I was actually going to vote for you lol. I'm not so sure now. Candidates so far: Kavdragon GMarshal chaoser Protactinium kitaman27 Kenpachi DoctorHelvetica I'm not sure I'm comfortable with DocH, I'm definitely not comfortable with Protactinium. For mine the two most obvious towns are kitaman and chaoser. I am leaning toward one of them. For now, ##Vote: kitaman27 | ||
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Pandain: I don't know what to think about you. Apart from that I'm not voting for you. Kavdragon: All your big posts so far have read like a "Mafia for Dummies" guide. I read Ver's guide for beginners I don't think we need another one clogging up this game. What are you actually trying to say? I am not voting for you. GMarshal: has talked up his scum-hunting abilities. My brief look through his history suggests his success rate has been mixed. His policies seem to change rapidly with prevailing opinion. From a look through his past matches he has a history of being indecisive. He also has been strongly against Protactinium. But then, Protact is a rival. None of this seems out of order to me. I am however VERY interested in his FoS on Mr Wiggles. There doesn't really seem to be any reason for it, nor does there seem to much difference from some of the things he's said himself. I am not sure about you Marsh. kitaman27: Refer to his campaign speech. On April 10 2011 12:09 kitaman27 wrote: Pardoner Campaign I'm running for pardoner. Why? Well frankly, so I keep it out of the hands of everyone else. I know I'm town, so I see little reason not to run. In addition, it would cut the odds of the mafia learning the bodyguard identities in half and force them to campaign harder, rather than settling for second. My pardoning policy would be to let the lynch go as planned unless there is an undoubtedly obvious mafia bandwagon. It would not be surprising if I never chose to use the power at all. Has been more interested in the pardoner role than mayor itself. I'm not sure why you'd want to be pardoner not mayor? Mayor is ridiculously overpowered compared to pardoner. He has been aggressive against Protactinium. He has mentioned lurkers as a priority, then proceeded to call out Monsterchef. The main thing for me is that kita has done little to no backflipping, unlike many other candidates. He's contributing more. I am cautiously optimistic that he is town and is a good vote. Protactinium: Has basically said that anyone not voting for him is a suspect. There has been huge debate regarding him and the way things are going his "suspect list"is looking like it will be about three quarters of all the players. Which really narrows things down. I've already stated my disregard for voting Protactinium but I think Coag has said it best: On April 11 2011 14:28 Coagulation wrote: here I shortened your platform up for you. This is a gamble. A big one. If it comes off, yay for us, if not, we're fucked. As I have said previously, I am not voting for you. DoctorHelvetica: Has been slinging enough mud to sink a ship and tried to pass it off as honesty. I'm not sure I see the equation there? I am unsure about you. Chaoser: I am unsure if you are still in the running. I liked you as a candidate before. Since my last posts you have been slinging a lot of mud. Also, you edited a post. It may have been a mistake, but it warrants a mention. I am unsure about you. tnktd: Is easily the least experienced player of the candidates. He regularly posts before his campaign post, decided to run much later than all the others. He appears to be trying to help, his suggestions to problems look to me as stepping up. He is under attack from from Protactinium and DoctorHelvetica, who are in competition with him and I'm interested to see how he handles it. He is in my eyes being undervalued. He seems a lot cleaner than some of the others. I am optimistic that he is town and is a good vote. Kenpachi: Where are you man? Say some more stuff. Everything so far except your campaign post and your strange sheeping post has been either one or two lines, saying not much. I am not voting for you unless you step it up. Tnkted and kita are my top choices at the moment. | ||
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His first few posts didn't say much, then this: On April 10 2011 15:02 Conversion wrote: What are you even arguing here? I can't FoS someone for being an assassin? So now you're telling me that I can only FoS possible lynch targets? You can have a completely different definition of FoS in your head compared to the one I have in mine. I understand that you like spamming up threads (you even have a reputation of it), but really? What are you even pointing at here? Am I mafia for misusing FoS in your opinion? Am I mafia for FoSing and assassin, when GMarshal prodded me to speak? Yes I am new and I would rather not speak because I'd make a lot of mistakes that would lead to scum reads from the players that can't differentiate from scum and bad townie play. Stop arguing about silly things, it's getting you nowhere. If you somehow deduce that I'm scum from senseless arguments like these kudos to you for failing. He got defensive real quick. On April 10 2011 15:10 Conversion wrote: Thanks, I like to know that I am terrible. You're a great help, Mr. "if you think someone is an assassin announce it" I never realized there was a part in there that said "if you're a terrible poster, I'm going to attack you for FoSing an assassin." I am keeping an eye on you. | ||
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On April 11 2011 22:01 Mig wrote: It's pretty shitty for me that the one person to look at my posts and decide that I was probably green suddenly became #1 on everyone's lynch list. It's definitely a lose lose for me. If he flips green it doesn't clear me and if he flips red I am going to be targeted super hard. Personally I do think there's a good chance ON is green but I only say that because I know I am green. If ON is red I don't really know what motivation he would have for saying I am green when he can easily just analyze me as red and most people will agree with him. Also this is the same situation for you GMarshal. If ON flipped green I don't think it would clear you of being a red at all. Especially since you said you would be fine lynching him and if you were both reds then that seems kind of suicidal. On April 11 2011 22:13 Mig wrote: I disagree that if ON flips red it instantly confirms everyone as red. I say this once again because I know I am green. If he flips red I am probably going to be the next person lynched and then when I flip green you will be back to being uncertain about what everyone is. At the same time if he flips green it really doesn't clear anyone because like I said Gmarshal has already said hes fine lynching ON which he can easily say if hes red but I doubt he would ever say if they were both red. Finally I don't think if he flipped green it would even make you look that red. To me you don't really come off as red you just come as an overzealous green who views everything as black/white instead of realizing the situation probably isn't so clear cut. On April 11 2011 23:03 Mig wrote: Right I don't know about anyone else for sure all I said was that I know that I am green obviously and I made a guess that there's a decent chance ON is green just because if he were red I figured he would have fingered me as red. The argument "I know I'm green" doesn't really cut it. Firstly: Marsh is ok with lynching ON. That doesn't make him green if ON flips red, it could be a bus. Second: if ON was red, why would he finger you as red? I don't get your argument here. | ||
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On April 12 2011 10:34 urashimakt wrote: EBWODP and similar acronyms: can someone explain them please? Thanks. So we're coming down on 3.5 hours until the voting booths close, and while I'm not certain on who to point a finger at or suggest to lynch, I am very sure that we have a potential danger in the election. Currently, the stats look like this: Presumably the big movement to support DrH spawned out of a suspicion of GMarshal's strong snap support that couldn't be ignored. If this still holds true, anyone still voting for GM who is either not absolutely sure he's pro-town and the best choice for mayor or (and I'm not accusing anyone specifically, because I've got no firm reads) they're mafia supporting him for whatever reason should change your vote A.S.A.P. Right now we have a pretty even split open to sniping and, if the suspicion many have about GMarshal's support is actually true, bodyguard information could still fall into mafia hands even if mafia don't make an outright grab for the mayorship. At this point I think the most likely outcomes are, in order: { (DrH, GM), (GM, DrH), (DrH, Prot) } So, if you're town and still voting for GM, I want you to be absolutely sure that you believe that voting for him and granting him access to bodyguard info or allowing the vote to be sniped so that he is mayor is the best result for town. If it's not, I urge you to switch from GM to Prot, who I believe to be black despite some fleeting suspicions. Assume and you'll make an ass out of u and me. We have a sudden rush of voting for Marsh, mostly from newbies, then we have an even more rapid switch for DocH. Why is everyone so sure DocH is town again? I'm not voting for either of them. I'm sticking with kita. | ||
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This has caught my eye: On April 12 2011 12:55 kitaman27 wrote: Mafia adviser wants the day to end an hour early! *Evil glare I don't think you made enough of a deal about this. BC posts this just as there were a few last minute switches to Protactinium. We had DocH and Marsh very significantly ahead of everyone else before that. | ||
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Also Rean. You have approximately double the posts in Insane2, a completed game, than you have here since day 1 started. What's so boring about our game? | ||
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On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote: I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it. Is it working? You're sounding like serejai lol. | ||
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On April 12 2011 21:27 GMarshal wrote: Also Blue list coming Medics Jackal- I want him lategame Chaoser- he is thinking, even if he is wrong about me, I want a wolf not a sheep Bum- same as chaoser tnkted- looked pro-town to me kitaman27- he argued against the assassin and seemed generaly helpful to the town, protect the man I seem to remember being on your list for protection a few hours ago. Have I pissed you off or something? | ||
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On April 12 2011 23:10 Rean wrote: Nah, he's my teammate but he's putting the "ask stupid questions and look like a total newbie" method to the test. I'm trying out the strategy I explained above Oh well that's alright then! | ||
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On April 12 2011 22:59 Mig wrote: I believe BB said earlier pandain had dropped out and was in the process of being replaced. Oh whoops I missed that. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:14 Protactinium wrote: Hahahaha. So we should lynch him because he was a lot of people's scum read day 1? Judging from the overwhelming amount of votes on Coagulation today, its pretty safe to say that Coagulation is a lot of people's scum read day 2. Yesterday was day 1. Today is day 2. Given that we have a lot more information day 2 than day 1, lets go with the 'more information' and vote Coagulation. Stop trying to derail this lynch. This is interesting. All your analysis of him was based on day 1. On April 14 2011 12:14 Protactinium wrote: Incorrect. Coagulation is a key player for the mafia. It's not that he's a good player, it's that mafia have already committed to saving him. Look back at the thread. Ever since my Coagulation accusation, mafia have been trying to subtly redirect the lynch. Notice how people are "not convinced" that Coagulation is mafia, try to suggest that we let me die tonight to "prove" that Coagulation is innocent, and try to suggest other targets. Yet notice the divergence in the voting thread. The voting is overwhelmingly in favor of lynching Coagulation, yet the debate in the thread diverges sharply. This is not an accident. Notice how nobody was doing any real analysis before I popped up and accused Coagulation. Mafia felt no need to fear when they thought I was as good as dead. But when I post a strong analysis, they reacted. They reacted not by refuting my points, but by flooding the thread with alternative accusations trying to derail the lynch. Why? They don't know who to push. They know the Coagulation analysis is a strong one, so they need to offer a target that town will readily buy. They're trying to test the waters and see what lynch works. Obviously, Coagulation is Mafia. If he were anything but, Mafia would be content to let him die and would have never felt the need to defend him in the first place. It is certain that mafia defended him originally, as shown by the floods of alternative target suggestions. Your so-called "analyst" Pardoner doesn't do anything but fling mud at me for the better part of a day. Yet when I return and start decimating his attempt to derail the lynch, he panics and decides to fake claim DT in a desperate attempt to make the town back out. Oh, and not to mention he does a bogus ultimatum in which he makes a shoddy attempt to discredit my DT claim. GMarshal's DT claim as Mafia makes total sense. He can't be rolechecked, and given the situation the mafia is in, he needs to do something to stop the Coagulation lynch. Furthermore, he knows who the mafia are, so it isn't that difficult to solidify his position later on in the game. Just look back at GMarshal's behavior. Its clearly scumlike. He was elected on a platform of being a "good analyzer", but he has done nothing but fling mud, spread doubt, and make a few half hearted attempts at analysis. GMarshal has something to hide, since he is obviously mafia. Mafia have every reason to save Coagulation now because they've already committed to the lynch. Too many people are coming out accusing people of being mafia. Mafia felt pressured, and were forced to make a big move. Mafia got overconfident and thought they could discredit me because I switched claims. Unfortunately for them it failed. I'm interested in your definition of real analysis. We had Kavdragon on you and DocH, We had chaoser on darmousseh, bum on marsh and doch, even your own on ON. You could be very right and Coag and Marsh could be scum but I trust you about as far as I could throw you. | ||
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On April 14 2011 12:56 Protactinium wrote: Think about GMarshal's overall profile. What is he trying to do? From day 1, notice how he does not express support for any candidate other than himself. Why? It seems that every other candidate was expressing who they wanted in office and why. It is extremely important for town to pick good elected officials. Yet GMarshal did nothing of the sort, and didn't say who he wanted to win election, besides himself. Yet he had no trouble in saying who he thought shouldn't be elected. It's obvious he has an agenda here. He doesn't care who gets in, as long as he is one of the winners. Look at the suspicious votes GMarshal gets. There are countless lurkers and inactives who vote GMarshal without explaining why. And as you recall, GMarshal was the first one out the gate, and managed to obtain a sizable lead early on in the race, while everyone else was stuck at less than 4 votes. At one point in time, GMarshal's 11 votes outnumbered all the other candidates combined. This is not a coincidence. As I've said before, mafia candidates are never uncompetitive in a mayoral election. Having the 20% of the total voting power, mafia always tend to get an early lead and maintain it. Why is this? Because of town tendencies to bandwagon, it is very advantageous to get an early lead, as you are likely to attract votes of newer/inexperienced/uninterested townies who feel safe voting for a big name player who leads the vote count. GMarshal's early lead suggests mafia interference. But that's not all. Look at the thread activity during day 1. There are plenty of people who are unsure of electing DH or me on day 1, but almost all GMarshal's voters are unmoving. There was plenty of room to sway votes among the DH/Protact crowd, but GMarshal's voters were alarmingly loyal. All the people not voting Marsh for mayor debated in the thread. On April 14 2011 12:14 Protactinium wrote: Incorrect. Coagulation is a key player for the mafia. It's not that he's a good player, it's that mafia have already committed to saving him. Look back at the thread. Ever since my Coagulation accusation, mafia have been trying to subtly redirect the lynch. Notice how people are "not convinced" that Coagulation is mafia, try to suggest that we let me die tonight to "prove" that Coagulation is innocent, and try to suggest other targets. Yet notice the divergence in the voting thread. The voting is overwhelmingly in favor of lynching Coagulation, yet the debate in the thread diverges sharply. This is not an accident. Notice how nobody was doing any real analysis before I popped up and accused Coagulation. Mafia felt no need to fear when they thought I was as good as dead. But when I post a strong analysis, they reacted. They reacted not by refuting my points, but by flooding the thread with alternative accusations trying to derail the lynch. Why? They don't know who to push. They know the Coagulation analysis is a strong one, so they need to offer a target that town will readily buy. They're trying to test the waters and see what lynch works. All the people not voting for Coag to be lynched debated in the thread. You really are desperate to find cases if your cases are conflicting. HOWEVER this point, although you've shown it accidentally, shows that something is amiss here. We have two seemingly different, very rapidly formed bandwagons. Which names are on both wagons? - Robellicose, who has done little but repeat himself and sheep. - Serejai, who has done little but troll. - Kenpachi, who has been extremely quiet and made a bizarre sheep post. I am interested in these three names. | ||
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Kenpachi First his voting pattern. DAY 1 - MAYOR VOTE On April 11 2011 09:41 Kenpachi wrote: Hey guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuys. dont ignore me and tell me how im lurking and shit .. So, how many Assassins are in the game? Maybe if Protact dies, 1 less assassin for the remaining to hunt. Its beneficial for townie in a game with less KP.. I think Kita makes a good point about Protact in the late game (not too sure if it was mentioned before but it just struck my mind) Im going to go with GM cause im a sheep A lot of people sheeped on the GM vote as well so it doesn't stick out to me. It only becomes suss when you follow up with this: On April 12 2011 13:16 Kenpachi wrote: mmm looks like something isnt going right. my vote on the wrong guy? You had about an hour to change your vote. You were present in thread and active. Why didn't you? Why are you sheeping exactly? DAY 2 - LYNCH VOTE These are from the voting thread rather than the main thread itself. On April 14 2011 06:06 Kenpachi wrote: ##Vote Protactinium (WTF FW?????????????????????????) MIND = BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2011 06:07 Kenpachi wrote: owait IM VOTING THE WRONG PERSON LOL ##Vote Coagulation What the hell is going on here? Next some other posts. KENPACHI'S MAYOR CAMPAIGN On April 10 2011 13:19 Kenpachi wrote: I would like to run for Mayor again Lets make Kenpachi Mayor Initiative http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=4910627 + Show Spoiler + Who are you and what can you do for town? I am Kenpachi and i cannot do anything for you. Why do believe you should be mayor? Well, thats easy to answer. I am Kenpachi. Do you understand what is going on at the moment? No but i will read the thread How experienced are you in a game of Mafia? i played about 7 games i think, winning about 2 of them doing nothing You scummy fuck. But seriously, no comment here. Id like to point out that people who contribute very little or repeat what other people said in a small paragraph is usually scum or scared You've contributed very little. You've repeated what other people have said. You just described yourself as either scum or scared. Which are you? DAY 1 POSTS First, as GMarshal is pulling ahead, he claims that he is busy and cannot be involved. On April 12 2011 08:23 Kenpachi wrote: sorry guys im busy today. Im leaning towards being replaced cause this is going to be a heavy week.. He then goes on to make 18 one-line posts within the space of an hour around lynch time contributing nothing, coinciding with his inaction on the mayor vote. On April 12 2011 14:10 Kenpachi wrote: DrH. i will give you advice. If i say something, go against it plz? Why are you trying to get people to avoid looking at what you say? DAY 2 POSTS More pointless bandwagoning. Trying to look as though he's contributing and is not. On April 14 2011 07:18 Kenpachi wrote: Scum Team Coagulation Barundar GMarshal RedFF Mister Wiggles Robellicose ilovejonn ~~~~~~ -runs away like a noob who accuses people and dont post reasons why they are scum because their reason for believe they are scum is actually bandwagoning other people's idea on the people they accused- When he is questioned about it by ilovejonn he replies with this: On April 14 2011 07:27 Kenpachi wrote: I was serious dude /sarcasm You are goofing off almost as much as Serejai. RECENT EARLY GAME BEHAVIOUR AS TOWN I've looked through a few of his more recent games in which he was almost always town. His strange one-liners have been present in all the games I looked at but there a few subtle differences. Last game, when he was town, he had his own opinion. I refer to the recently completed Insane Mafia 2, in which Kenpachi was a townsman. Following is some of his analysis on Day 1 of this game. Notice how this kind of stuff is absent from him in this game. + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2011 06:21 Kenpachi wrote: lol. iGrok looks the most scummy to me imo. Hes acting like a 1st time player when he stated he was a veteran which ends up being SCUM Hes not reading carefully enough + Show Spoiler + To further give solid opinions, a few people I want on that list include: Annul: Reasons stated above. Deconduo: General scummy feel (Obviously I need to explain this further, but I'll do that when i get the time.) iGrok: More scummy play, including apposition to clearly town plans, putting down of plans without putting forward alternatives, and fanning arguments. (More on this to follow) + Show Spoiler [iGrok and some of his posts] + In Chronological Order after alignments were sent out: On March 24 2011 13:25 iGrok wrote: Annul, thats stupid reasoning. Alignment pms always have details about the alignment's group powers (if applicable). Do you have any evidence to the contrary? A blue counter-claiming would be nice. a confirmed scum lynch d1 would be nice ^^ Lets be more obvious On March 24 2011 13:11 iGrok wrote: Yeah, the slip was kind of apparent, unless scum is really bad :/. Your plan makes a lot of sense, especially if you have a circle. The only thing is that no one knows their powers yet... I hope you and your body guards don't get good ones :/ I don't think Jackal is confirmed anything right now. I'll vote for you unless a better campaign comes along. Lol. He doesnt want Bum with a good role so id assume its terrible play (like me ) or scumminess trying to post something of worth On March 24 2011 14:13 iGrok wrote: There also the fact that the mayor can choose the lynch, and can rely on active scumhunters' advice. The leader in this case only has to make the final decision, and I'd rather that be a confirmed town who will listen to scumhunters than an unknown or even probable town. Of course, this relies on no counterclaims in the next, oh, 12 hours or so i guess. Somethings offbeat or is it just me? On March 24 2011 14:24 iGrok wrote: This is night. Day1 starts when the 24hr n0 starts iirc Feeding off of Lanaia's newbieness. On March 25 2011 02:24 iGrok wrote: Okay, here's what I have so far: Bum slipped hard early on, so he claimed blue. This opened up an opportunity for him to act as a mouth for the blues and lets us get a confirmed townie as mayor (assuming no counterclaim, if there is a counter claim I will re-assess the situation). And a confirmed townie as Mayor lets us get Lynch 1 under our control. However, kavdragon makes a convincing argument, and I know that when I'm scum I usually try to snipe the best hunters first, so protecting them is a must. Hopefully, when roles are revealed, there will be some Medics/Doctors who can protect our best analysts. But they could also be used to protect bum. Brownbear's analysis of bum's situation was good, but I think a little flawed. Its worth trading N blues for N scum, and so if Bum really is blue, the best thing that could happen is that scum counter claims. However, if there is a CC, the other blues shouldn't back up bum. 2 for 1 Blue to Scum isn't a good trade imo, and we'll have to lynch 1 blue at least. Scum doesn't have to keep claiming up to 4-4. Currently, my vote is split between bum and kav, although I think if bum shows decent analysis d1 he'd steal my vote. A useless wall of text but theres a key info here. He states that hes a Veteran. Well hes doing shit lol cause this is all common sense. ..... On March 25 2011 02:27 iGrok wrote: This is an excellent point. I'm going to go vote no on the poll now spam spam On March 25 2011 04:02 iGrok wrote: Suppose 2 people remain in the item game, 1 scum and 1 town, and both are killed at night - who gets the item? Why is he asking this On March 25 2011 05:39 iGrok wrote: Tackster, note that I'm vote for Bum conditional to a good CC (obviously a half-assed cc I'll just laugh at). If so, I'll probably vote chaoser. But a blue mouth with longevity would be really useful to have. So even if there is a CC, I propose we lynch the CCer first, and then bum if the CC flips blue. I mean its been long enough that any CC has to be doubtful, right? You shouldn't lynch someone off their role unless their role is GodFather straight up or Serial Killer or some obvious Scum/3rd Party Role On March 25 2011 06:39 iGrok wrote: Seems like thats exactly what hes doing, tackster Spam Spam Spam Next Post to look at 858 Ill bbl. iGrok, I call you SCUM Additionally, his mayor voting pattern is decisive. On March 26 2011 07:19 Kenpachi wrote: Back~ Well the next few posts from iGrok are meh. not worth posting about really. Also doing this helped me understand whats going on in the game a whole lot better. ##Vote Bum The combination of his being on both bandwagons, his bizarre posting and the subtle differences between this game and his Insane 2 town posting are why you should ##Vote Kenpachi My secondary candidates are Robellicose and Serejai | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:01 bumatlarge wrote: For people confused on why it would be rare to have more then 2 of a blue role 1-14. Town 15-22. Mafia 23-26. Assasin (assuming Protact is right about 4) 27. Vet 28. Vet 29. Tracker 30. Tracker 31. Vig 32. Vig 33. Watcher 34. Watcher 35. DT 36. DT 37. Medic 38. Medic 39. Nosy Neighbor 40. Nosy Neighbor This makes sense. This doesn't solve anything. This is from TL MAFIA XXII: On May 01 2010 15:49 flamewheel wrote: Mafia: d3_crescentia, iNfuNdiBuLuM, Scaramanga, Bill Murray (Godfather, Townie), Blue Roles: Detectives: Ace, Radfield Medics: KF91, [NyC]HoBbes, motbob Vigilante: krndandaman Mad Hatter: Foolishness Veterans: Assassins: tree.hugger, RebirthOfLeGenD, AcrossFiveJulys, jpak Millers: CynanMachae, RaGe, Caller, BloodyC0bbler Townies: Falcynn, Jugan, Fishball, Abenson, Out of 38 players we have 12 normal townies. A large number of blues is perfectly feasible, Mafia won this game. We don't know the rolecounts and it's wrong to suggest we do. I don't buy any of the roleclaims so far. Flamewheel, my commentary of your post is in red: On April 15 2011 04:54 Protactinium wrote: Did you see Coagulations defense on day 2? As I already stated, it was desperate and obviously scummy. He gets accused and defends himself. If defending yourself from being Mafia makes you Mafia then I'm surprised there are any townies in the game at all. If you would like to critique the analysis, by all means do so. Don't shrug off my analysis just because you don't trust me. Read my analysis, and see if it makes sense. If it makes sense, then vote Coagulation. This has nothing to do with trusting me. It has to do with whether or not the analysis is good. If you are town, dismissing my analysis by attacking my credibility is a bad move.Your analysis shows to me that he fought against you to the end. That looks like a panicking black to me. The discrepancy you point out is not a discrepancy at all. There was debate on DH/my candidacy because mafia were spreading doubt. There is debate on the Coag lynch because mafia need to split up the vote in order to save Coag. Makes total sense here. There was debate on DocH's candicacy because he accused half the people in the game, stirred up an incredible amount of shit and proceeded to lynch someone who was highly regarded. There was debate on your candidacy because you were claiming a third party role. There is debate on the Coag lynch because of the stupid number of roleclaims that are going out, because noone was suspicious of him before your post and because noone trusts you. Being on both bandwagons is not indicative of him being mafia. In fact, it proves just the opposite - he is actually a town bandwagoner. Your massive lynch Coag bandwagon is actually a pro-Flamewheel bandwagon. Your massive pro-town moves are pro-Flamewheel moves. You keep saying you are pro-town but if you are why are you going after someone that several people had a black read on yesterday? What happened to your big crusade against OriginalName/LSB? Notice how only 3 of the names are on both lists. This means that a majority of the GMarshal voters do not agree with the Coagulation lynch. If you look at GMarshal's strong defense (not a direct defense, but a credibility attack by me) of Coagulation, it makes sense. GMarshal and Coag have the same alignment. The people who are on both bandwagons are likely bored townies who don't want to spend time analyzing and are just voting the bandwagon. Mafia are definitely not jumping onto this bandwagon because there is way too much opposition to the lynch. Kenpachi may have some slight posting differences. But Coagulation has huge posting differences. Its day and night. Look over his previous games to see for yourself. Kenpachi is 99% town. Please reconsider your vote and vote Coagulation. I'm suggesting Mafia DID jump onto the bandwagon. All these votes came in after you called him out and before we had the big rebuttals from LSB, Wiggles and others. Also, why are you so sure Kenpachi is green? You admit to the posting differences yourself. You have been dominating the game from the get-go. Everything has revolved around you, spin it how you want it's true. You've been herding all the new players at your whim. You're just a massive bully and I'm not interested in anything you say anymore. You want a read from me on Coag? I think he's ASSASSIN, just like you do. He is black, you are black and you should both be left to die tonight. AS FOR KENPACHI These bandwagons are suspicious to me. Everyone is pointing out how Kenpachi is just a bad player and we should ignore him. Isn't that a perfect cover to go under the radar? WHO WOULD ANYONE EVER DO ANALYSIS ON KENPACHI? WHY WOULD WE EVER SUSPECT KENPACHI? WHY WOULD WE EVER WANT TO LYNCH KENPACHI? | ||
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Noone seems to be listening to me at all. I am happy to change my Kenpachi vote to you if I can't convince anyone otherwise. | ||
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GMarshal Kenpachi Serejai Robellicose Marshal is red. He's flipflopped so many times it's ridiculous. His DT claim is rubbish. Kenpachi, Serejai and Robellicose are bandwagoning for him, while trying to stay under the radar. I can't seem to convince anyone about Kenpachi and Marshal does have the pardon, so I'm switching to him. | ||
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On April 15 2011 12:24 Kenpachi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote GMarshal Now that I have called you out, you are bussing him. I'm pretty certain now. | ||
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On April 15 2011 12:45 Kenpachi wrote: DropBear i wont argue with you. you're just new. I might be new but I still think you're scum. | ||
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On April 15 2011 12:43 Serejai wrote: Guys... I know I have been trolling most of the game, and I feel with the recent drama I owe my Opinion on what is currently happening in the game. Because this is my first time playing I'm sure I Don't really know what's going on, but here's my take on things. First off, it seems like most people are just being sheep and following the advice of others without Any thoughts of their own. I know that's what I'm doing because I don't feel I understand enough to Think for my own just yet. Because of this, you veteran players need to realize that what you post Has a very large effect on players like myself. It feels like some players have personal issues with Each other and that's making it extremely hard for me to learn the gameplay. Stop the hateful Responses and personal attacks and stick to analyses and stuff please. Secondly, it feels like most of you are doing things with no real reason. A lot of you seem so overly Eager to tunnel in on someone even without solid proof, and so I'm finding myself changing votes to React to the newest "omg he's mafia, lynch him" target quite often. Like, is there a method to Everyone's madness? I'm having trouble seeing anything other than people calling out each other Just for the hell of it. For example, I personally feel that Coag and GM are scum and I don't have an Analysis of my own for them, so I don't post one. Yet other players that don't have their own are Insistent on posting random garbage just to bandwagon. It makes it hard for me to understand things. This is still trolling and useless. What's with all the random capital letters spelling your name? You're sheeping because you're scum with GMarshal. | ||
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On April 15 2011 15:02 Kenpachi wrote: im going to call it. tnkted Robellicose LSB Coag Latrommi ilovejonn RedFF yea im aware ilovejonn and Red arent there. And you incidentally. | ||
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- He claimed to check Coagulation and find mafia - Coagulation was the godfather. There is no way he would have chosen to appear godfather. Protact has pretty much confirmed himself as an assassin for mine. | ||
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Kenpachi Serejai Robellicose Marshal was red, serejai has requested replacement and apparently made a blue claim somewhere? Kenpachi dismissed me as a newbie and Robellicose has gone silent. My initial reasoning was based on Coag being assassin, with the other three jumping on the bandwagon to elect Marshal and lynch coag. Now that coag has flipped red.... I'm not as sure on the other three anymore. Kenpachi you have dismissed me completely since I accused you. I've had a more detailed look through your history and I can't see any pattern at all no matter what role you have. I'll lay off you for the moment but you've still piqued my interest. | ||
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On April 16 2011 11:05 Rean wrote: Captain Obvious to the rescue! Can you please try and post something slightly less useless? Your analysis on Kenpachi wasn't half bad, maybe try it again on someone else you believe to be scum. I know you're capable of that. This is coming from someone who made absolutely no contribution at all until I called out the fact that you had more posts in Insane2 than in this game. You're the one I'm looking at next. | ||
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Rean For night 0, all Day 1 and part of night 1 Rean has 6 posts. I then call him out for spending more time in Insane2 than here. On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote: I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it. Is it working? He is then called out by Barundar for his different activity level to when he was blue. On April 13 2011 17:01 Rean wrote: Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2. His activity level drastically increases after this. There is a full analysis on an entire scum team On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote: + Show Spoiler [accusations of me] + + Show Spoiler [our scumteam] + Aidnai Creates a bandwagon to try and save his teammate from being lynched. Continues to hammer on the bandwagon constantly. + Show Spoiler [random bullshit post] + On April 13 2011 16:02 aidnai wrote: Good god, I was trying to analyze coag's posts this game but when I searched for them I had to go past like 500 posts from insane 2 wtf?! coag, you are truly amazing... Three posts in the thread as of now, all vaguely apologizing and not one single opinion. This is exactly the kind of dead weight we don't want around down the road -_- Wow, another one -_- Says he was looking for Coagulation’s posts to analyze, makes jokes about Coag being spammy. Goes on to analyze two entirely different people??? Scummy as fuck, covering for Coagulation while ignoring arguments that he’s scum. In favor of ignoring Prot based on LaL, the most retarded policy mafia ever knew. Coagulation Has been posting useless crap all game in his standard call everyone and their mother a idiot style. The second someone accuses him he gets one of his scumbuddy's to make a analysis on a easy to lynch target and hops on the bandwagon right away. Repeats about a hundred times that FW is fucked when he flips. Claims vigilante only to switch his claim to veteran right away. HOW CONVENIENT. He realizes that vigilante can easily be faked by scum so decides to switch his claim to veteran…. Decides to use GMarshal’s actions as a argument why FW is lying despite everyone accusing GMarshal of being scum except the people on this list. His only defense against FW’s solid analysis: + Show Spoiler [flamewheel’s analysis] + On April 13 2011 15:26 Protactinium wrote: Alright guys, now that night is over, I have another announcement to make. I checked Coagulation last night, and he is Mafia. Now you may be asking, is Protactinium trying to pull a fast one on me? I thought Assassins couldn't use any night actions till Night 2! I am, in fact, not an Assassin, as I may have led you all to believe Day 1. I am actually a Detective, and I've found you a Mafia member right from Night 1. Now why would I claim Assassin Day 1 if I was actually a Detective? It was intentional, and all part of the plan. Unfortunately, I wasn't elected, but at least I had a backup plan. TL towns have a history of wanting to Lynch All Liars, but there is a very good reason that I didn't claim Detective from the start. Just look at Pandain to see why DT claims never work: it's been tried before, and Mafia have every incentive to fake claim DT. Thus, the claim backfired and the entire town jumped on him and tore him to shreds. Not a desireable outcome if you're really a DT, right? And this wasn't the first game where that happened. If you have time, go back and read TL Mafia VIII, where nemY the Detective claimed Detective... and then got jumped by town. I expected the same backlash had I actually roleclaimed Detective, so that's why I went with the Assassin claim. Furthermore, while Mafia are very incentivized to claim DT, they would be stupid to claim Assassin, since if the election bid fails, the actual Assassins will just shoot them Night 2. On the other hand, claiming DT is fairly safe for mafia, as after the intial backlash, the claimed DT will generally be ignored for the rest of the game. Assassin claims also help draw out the Mafia, and as the Pandain example shows, DT claims don't have the same effect, since everyone attacks the DT claim and causes chaos. And if you're saying this is a bus and I'm Mafia, you wouldn't be saying that after I net a Mafia Night 2. And then Night 3. The next question is assassin numbers. Remember how I claimed that there were 3 assassins? That was actually a ploy to keep the actual Assassins off of me. In terms of balance, all of the past games with assassins had assassins consist of roughly 10% of the total game population. In XXII, a game of 38 people, there were 4 Assassins, and in XXX, a game of 30 people, there were 3 Assassins. This game has 40 people, so assuming that Ver and Qatol helped BrownBear balance the game along the same lines as they did for me, there should actually be 4 Assassins in the game as well. Thus, my claim of there being 3 Assassins was a guess, but an educated one, in the hopes to keep both the guise of me being Assassin up and the actual Assassins off of my back. Anyway, my plan successfully drew out the mafia. As I said before, mafia and assassins are desperate to stop my campaign, as an assassin in office would be a serious threat to both parties. Yesterday's vote clearly showed that mafia got panicky and overreacted when the vote was close and I had a chance of winning the election. Anyway, going back to my original list: So why is Coagulation suspicious? He is clearly pushing mafia objectives. As I have established before, Mafia doesn't want me anywhere near the Mayor/Pardoner positions. Guess what Coagulation has done? He opposed me right from the start. Then during the middle of the election when it looks like I had no chance of winning, he shut up and wasn't saying anything about us except for when he made a candidates list explaining what he thought of each candidate. Near the end of the day, however, when it looked like we had a chance of winning, Coag suddenly jumps on us and starts frothing at the mouth. He attacks me viciously, this time saying that I'm Mafia doing a not-so-last-minute vote switch and that the Assassin claim was just to garner votes. Seeing that the "he's assassin, don't vote for him" strategy didn't work, he tries to spread more fear by saying that I am Mafia. Then, when it seems like I have no chance of winning anymore, Coagulation disappears again. He's silent during the time between DrH winning and Kav getting flipped, even though he was conveniently defending Kav strongly before this time. And guess what? Although Coag was adamantly against the lynch earlier and attacks the lynch right after it occurs, he is mysteriously silent right before the lynch and doesn't bother saving Kav at a moment where his arguments could be critical. This is completely consistent with Mafia objectives, as Mafia obviously would prefer that a known analyst is lynched over a random inactive. Rather than constantly trumpeting his position throughout the thread, he pops up in bursts, striking when mafia need it most, and then disappearing when things are going well. I got most suspicious of Coag right after the lynch. Look at when he is posting, and when he is not, and its obvious that he has a hidden agenda. But that's not all. The whole game, he is useless and does nothing except spam and spread doubt on the mayoral candidates. The more interesting and important point though, is that he has an utter lack of conviction on who could be mafia. In particular, look at when Coag was yelling at DH not to lynch Kav. DH asked him for alternatives, yet he couldn't name a single name, just "any of the countless scummy lurkers". Compare this with his games as town, where he has no problem pointing out who he thinks is most scummy, and its pretty obvious that Coag is trying to hide the fact that he knows who the mafia are. Classic Mafia mentality, not wanting to have to point out scum and be accountable for it. Coagulation as green is fearless, posting every single thought that comes to his head as to who is Mafia. As DrH said at the end of Assassin In the Palace, Coagulation posts very frequently. This trend of trying to actively hunt down and call out Mafia as green goes all the way back to Haunted Mafia. As red, look at games like Insane 2 and Don't Lose Your Village. Coagulation is much more restrained and doesn't point out any reds with conviction like he does when he's town. To sum it up, Coag is pushing mafia objectives. He had fierce opposition to my candidacy (mafia do not want a pro-town assassin in office), and conveniently posted at the right times. The whole game, he has been indecisive and is spreading doubt. Furthermore, he has not shown any conviction on who he thinks is Mafia, which is completely inconsistent with his town play, while he has no trouble pointing out who he thinks is innocent (GMarshal and Kavdragon). With all this evidence and my role check, there's no reason to vote anyone except Coagulation. GMarshal is suspicious too, but I'm not sure one way or the other. One thing is certain though: if he pardons Coagulation, they're both Mafia 100%. Like I said, this party is only getting started. Mafia totally fell for my trap, so we are way ahead of where we would be otherwise. Vote for Coagulation. Is “ur a fucking lier” and “OMG ULL SEE WHEN I FLIP UR FUCKED”. Really strong defence there…. ilovejonn Spend his first day making excuses for not doing shit. Tries to make DrH look suspicious while trying to make GMarshal look better but doesn’t really do a good job at it. Randomly decides to vote for Protactinium. Plays the opposing game trying to get Coagulation lynched but decides to cancel after Coagulation did his claim vigi > correct yourself that you’re a veteran thingy, despite DrH counterclaiming Coag. Helps setup the bandwagon on me by making a nice list of inactives and recommending we lynch any of the 4 he bolded, which are the 4 easiest lynches in the game. Kitaman27 The jewel in this setup. He declares he's somewhat suspicious about me, and behold, scumbuddy aidnai comes up with a full analysis on me. He then re-inforces his point some more by trying to compare my play to my previous games, being ignorant to the fact that I would never play the same this game since in the other two I was unlynchable and not worried of looking like scum to anyone. Upon seeing his first bandwagon fail, he creates the next one, on another very easy lynch target. His actions this game have basically consisted of calling a ton of people scum day 1, making posts that don't actually contribute whatsoever and running for Pardoner. Somewhere half-way along this thread he has a cute little skirmish with GMarshal only to drop it a few pages later. RedFF Hops on the second bandwagon of Kitaman almost right away. Posts a fuckload of useless crap and his main occupation appears to be stating the obvious and pressuring people only to back off at the first sign of resistance. Starts off in favor of Protactinium, but quickly falls into being obsessed with inactives. Has a nice little FoS going on GMarshal, but only does so because there's inactives voting him. Also seems to be very protective of Coagulation. Suggests we only lynch him if Protactinium flips DT when everyone knows that won't happen. GMarshal Our beloved pardoner. There's two solid analyses on him already: + Show Spoiler [bumatlarge] + Bumatlarge > GMarshal - Scum Of course I think this is strong because I believe I am right. GMarshal has been responding appropriately and I feel less conviction of lynching him immediately, especially since he said he will not be using his pardon. Also his analysis of Dr. H as scum leaves me hesitant, since I believe their actions strongly pointed out that they were both scum. Of course they could both be scum, it just seems less fruitful to be pointing at each other this early in the game. + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 16:06 bumatlarge wrote: GMarshal Analysis I'm going to focus on how GM goes about the first day, as I feel that it's the clearest indication of his play and his meta. GM immediately establishes himself as a policy person, which is understandable. I can't really consider this post scummy alone. He talks about relevant things early in the game, but it's way too forced. Paragraphs to explain simple ideas. Pardoners are strong but they can be pro-town, being able to do exactly what their role entails. Bam first paragraph done. Lurkers are the best lynch. Last part is so WIFOMy. I find if you come across something that leads to WIFOM, the best course of action is describe the situation and how it leads to WIFOM, and then drop it until it rears its ugly head in the game. Gmarshal is setting it in stone. No good. Ha, mock frustration, this one line is worse then everything he said before. Kav is already on board. In fact let me show you what GM's post should have been. Straightforward. Even though I disagree with things, this is so easy to respond to. I think we should lynch a lurker rather then an inactive Kav. I see your point on the pardoner Kav. DONE AND DONE. You really lynched Kav? But let me continue, Gmarshal could have gotten unlucky, he didn't know how to put those words out properly. It reminds me of when I would get assigned a 500-word-essay in elementary school, and I'd do my best to say as much as possible while repeating the same idea different ways. If anyone does not see the evidence here, please inform me so I can clarify. I will do it with everyone of GM's posts if I have to. Seeing these posts as well does not win me over in the "Gm is obvious town" department. It seems fairly clear that GM is well aware of what he is doing. I don't mean to divert, but are you serious Dr.H? You've defintely been reading Kav's posts, but I find it hard to believe you missed GM's. Massive FoS Doctor Mayor. This only helps my case. recall what I said about how town should approach WIFOM. Textbook. Running For Mayor I'm not going to be accusing anyone based on the fact that they ran for mayor. I did that before when I was scum. Easiest mislynch ever. But of course I will focus on how they did it! Let's rip this to pieces. Cute, if you ended your campaign there, I would have dropped my entire argument. Seriously, but you didn't. You need to TRY to be mayor, but you don't need to be mayor. Let's see why that matters. Hardly a fair argument GM, your only mafia play was in Death Factory, which is not right to include, no offense to Ace. Not that I disagree, but you've stated your point from #1 on how you're always town, and when you are mafia, you sit there quiet and wait for town to lynch you. I don't see much difference here, because every townie should be doing this anyway, but you need to remind us of it. Very well, I am reminded of a townie's purpose. . Because of what we concluded from points 1 and 2! Basic assumptions that are assumed. Oh dear that sentence was useless, hope no one notices that the previous sentence was useless like this useless sentence. Leave this point out next time it overlaps with #3. You've made your Policy policy apparent, you're just explaining what it is to have a policy. This should have been your first post in the game. Make sure you do that next time GM, so you can beat everyone to that particular punchline, so it actually looks like you are town. Awful policy. Vets have already explained how wrong LaL is, and I should know considering I am going to host a game named after it. It's so blatant, at least someone call GM out on repeating what not only everyone else has said, but what he has said. Maybe they have already? Guess I should finish the thread... :/ leave out 1-8 and use this as your campaign next time. Ok, lets compare this to Kav the townie! Completely different approach from usual Kav. But what is hilarious is he has said everything GM stated and more. I almost can't stop myself on droning on about Kav being lynched. In fact, I couldn't. I DIDNT EVEN KNOW MY ALIGNMENT YET. God people. Gm is scum. Dr.H's play SO FAR has been completely unimpressive and damning for both GM and dr.H. I may have confused chaoser and Dr.H before, I need to go back and see what I read, because Chaoser was switching his In-thread vote (not the on in the vote thread) and it seemed too off-key for me, but Dr.H is so much more apparent. + Show Spoiler [protactinium] + On April 14 2011 12:56 Protactinium wrote: Here's the cop out. The truth is, he doesn't respond to the analysis because he can't. He knows Coagulation is mafia. If you take a step back and think about motive, GMarshal has been way more shady than I have. I have been completely transparent and have been completely honest with you and have revealed all my plans to you. On the other hand, GMarshal has nothing to show for his empty words. Think about GMarshal's overall profile. What is he trying to do? From day 1, notice how he does not express support for any candidate other than himself. Why? It seems that every other candidate was expressing who they wanted in office and why. It is extremely important for town to pick good elected officials. Yet GMarshal did nothing of the sort, and didn't say who he wanted to win election, besides himself. Yet he had no trouble in saying who he thought shouldn't be elected. It's obvious he has an agenda here. He doesn't care who gets in, as long as he is one of the winners. Look at the suspicious votes GMarshal gets. There are countless lurkers and inactives who vote GMarshal without explaining why. And as you recall, GMarshal was the first one out the gate, and managed to obtain a sizable lead early on in the race, while everyone else was stuck at less than 4 votes. At one point in time, GMarshal's 11 votes outnumbered all the other candidates combined. This is not a coincidence. As I've said before, mafia candidates are never uncompetitive in a mayoral election. Having the 20% of the total voting power, mafia always tend to get an early lead and maintain it. Why is this? Because of town tendencies to bandwagon, it is very advantageous to get an early lead, as you are likely to attract votes of newer/inexperienced/uninterested townies who feel safe voting for a big name player who leads the vote count. GMarshal's early lead suggests mafia interference. But that's not all. Look at the thread activity during day 1. There are plenty of people who are unsure of electing DH or me on day 1, but almost all GMarshal's voters are unmoving. There was plenty of room to sway votes among the DH/Protact crowd, but GMarshal's voters were alarmingly loyal. Look at how GMarshal has acted during day 1. He mentions lynching inactives, is strongly opposed to me, yet ignores my accusation that he is black. After that accusation, he plays a little act and calms down a little, and even begins to waver. Yet a few posts later he's back to attacking me full on. He shares much the same profile as Coagulation. When I have no chance of winning, he doesn't say much. But when I suddenly get 3 votes, he starts spamming the thread along with Coagulation to try to stop my election. That's not all. Look at how he handles the lynch. He knows that he is leading for mayor, yet he is very vague when discussing who he is going to lynch. Although he suggests a few inactive/lurking targets, he never settles on one. He makes a half assed analysis on Mr. Wiggles, in which he cannot draw any conclusions. He never really takes the initiative to point out scum. Compare this to his town play, where he isn't afraid to smack down his vote and express a solid opinion. Now on to day 2. GMarshal has done nothing productive for the town. He claims he is a good analyst, but it doesn't show. All he does is throw doubt and confusion, and opposes the Coagulation lynch strongly. I've already pointed out why this is a pro-mafia move. His first 10 or so posts on day 2 are aimed at shooting down the lynch. How? He does it by attacking my character. It's not hard to see how my analysis makes sense and is infinitely superior to others people have put out. Yet GMarshal can't be bothered to be any more pro town than shooting down the lynch. Put yourselves in a townie's shoes for a moment. Suppose you didn't believe my analysis, and there are already 10 votes on the suspect. As a townie, and especially a town elected official, you have to work quickly. You need to pick out a strong mafia target and push him hard. You can't just sit around, fling mud at the current lynch, and not push the town in the right direction. All of a sudden, GMarshal posts a huge DH accusation. Pro-town, right? Wrong. If you read the accusation, it's hillariously half-assed. It includes mockery and caricatures to make DH seem ridiculous and anti-town. DH's play is generally abrasive, yes. But in this game, it is clearly not anti-town. Notice how since from day 1, he's been calling out suspects, and isn't afraid to look like the bad guy. DH is too aggressive and bold to be mafia. Compare this to his mafia play in XVI, and you'll notice a huge difference. DH is much more diplomatic and wishy washy about his reads when he is mafia. Anyway, the important point is how GMarshal reacts after this "analysis". He continues to mess around, posting aimlessly, and posts nothing of value to the town. He doesn't even bother pushing his lynch target. This should ring red bells in everyone's head. A townie would be pushing for their lynch with all conviction. Yet what as GMarshal been doing? He posts his analysis, and doesn't mention it until a bit later where he asks DH to respond. Now just think about it. If you're town and have an accusation to make, you don't just post it and then just ignore it. You use whatever method you have to force people to focus on your analysis and push your agenda. GMarshal does nothing of that sort. He isn't serious about lynching DH, he is just trying to appear like he's helping town. It's actually been obvious that GMarshal was mafia ever since day 1. I was hoping to avoid pointing out GMarshal as scum in the thread, because if he knew that we caught him, that he would just pardon Coagulation and gain delay us for a day. But alas, he was too aggressive to ignore. Everyone switch your votes to GMarshal, otherwise he will pardon Coagulation and this lynch is going to be wasted. Two solid analyses. However, the real jewel of his play has to be claiming DT. A really nice claim, especially because there's no way we can confirm him whatsoever. He can't be DT'd with his bodyguards alive, so he's safe from that. He won't be killed with his bodyguards alive either, so claiming DT would be a safe thing to do. It's a nice claim. There's no way anyone can prove he's not. But there's also no way anyone can prove he is a DT. He just says he checked a townie so people don't complain about it. 100% scum. Mr. Wiggles Our 7th scum member. Has been doing one thing and thing only this ENTIRE game: make useless contentless posts that state the obvious and repeat what others are saying. He's contributed literally nothing while trying to make himself look like a active analyzer. Scum classic. Lemonwalrus At first, Lemon doesn’t really raise anyone’s alarm bells. Looking into him though: - He’s lurking again. - He’s posting one-liners again - He’s busy arguing about useless crap again - He’s making bad jokes again. - He’s subtly defending his scumbuddy’s, making sure not to go to far as to avoid any suspicion. Again. He’s playing almost exactly like in Insane Mafia 2, and we all how that turned out. I’m pretty damn certain he’s our final scum member. + Show Spoiler [conclusion] + We have ourselves a scumteam. I’m 100% certain on aidnai/coagulation/GMarshal/RedFF/Kitaman27. I might be wrong about the other 3 but I reckon we can kill these 5 first and track/DT the other 3 (Lemonwalrus/ilovejonn/Mr. Wiggles) in the meantime. Scum, if you want to talk your way out of this I’ll be glad to respond in like 30-40 mins from me posting this. You have tried to change your posting behaviour to how you posted as a blue Your case against Lemonwalrus contradicts sharply with your actions on Day 1. On April 15 2011 09:08 Rean wrote: You're playing exactly the same as in Insane Mafia 2. Both games I called you scum, both games you ignored me. I'm not letting you get away with the same shit twice Lemon. Defend yourself and start posting useful content. If you're town (yeah rite), stop being a mindless sheep and analyze rather then going "fw is lying so i'm going to follow drh mindlessly". These are from your day 1 posts: On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote: yeah right you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person keep trying, you're pretty amusing. You claim that Flamewheel is lying On April 12 2011 07:32 Rean wrote: Placeholder vote on DrH right now, seems to be the best candidate although i'd ask to tone down thew aggresiveness a bit. As for who to lynch: Pandain seems to be a safe bet, his fakeclaim DT is completely retarded and even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him. And you sheep to DoctorH. You do the same thing as what your case against him is. Lastly from what you have just posted, you like my analysis until I focus on you. On April 16 2011 11:05 Rean wrote: Captain Obvious to the rescue! Can you please try and post something slightly less useless? Your analysis on Kenpachi wasn't half bad, maybe try it again on someone else you believe to be scum. I know you're capable of that. On April 16 2011 11:59 Rean wrote: FoS on DropBear for thinking i'm scum and making a fairly weak analysis on Kenpachi, along with the standard useless posting. I now strongly suspect Rean | ||
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All your refutations are basically claiming that anyone who thinks you are scum are scum. You do this again with me now that I suspect you. Your scum team-analysis is basically piggybacking off other people's. There's a whole bunch of copy-pasting the work of others in there. | ||
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On April 16 2011 12:21 Kenpachi wrote: haha dude why dont you respond to me DropBear? Jesus give me a minute. One person at a time. | ||
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On April 16 2011 11:50 Kenpachi wrote: what the fuck. this guy cant read or something? You have dismissed me. Repeatedly. The only real refutation you have is this: On April 15 2011 06:46 Kenpachi wrote: hi. anyone who analyzes me is new to this game clearly. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT MOST OF YOUR POINTS OF ME ARE INVALID If you look at my posts carefully, youd notice that i was against voting Protact. Though i didnt say i didnt trust DrH, i didnt. GM was the best choice. Also, i post a mayoral run every game with mayor. Do i get votes? This is the first game where i got a vote. Please look at the current situation when you analyze my posts. Think for a second. Your questionings of my posts are easily answered if you just 1 or 2 pages around my post .... I dont think your scum. you are just trying to be useful because no one analyzes me Imo, ilovejonn and Wiggles are the most scummy in the game and that list infact was not a joke but a list of my own suspects. Just, im too lazy to back up my reasonings. Besides, i wanted people to respond to it and i included that little paragraph for a reason. please read it carefully (with emphasis on the like). Ill do in 2 days or so (if im not too lazy then because thats when my break begins ) but just telling you, my analyses are inaccurate as i was wrong on iGrok and wrong on everyone before that. Conclusion: you are a newbie in TL Mafia. Welcome! You say GM is the best choice, yet despite being active around the deadline post that you think your vote is on the wrong guy and don't change it. You claim that I should be disregarded because I'm new and noone analyses you. On April 16 2011 11:06 DropBear wrote: I've had a more detailed look through your history and I can't see any pattern at all no matter what role you have. I'll lay off you for the moment but you've still piqued my interest. It's understandable to me now. Why was it terrible exactly? On April 15 2011 12:52 GGQ wrote: I'd like to see your argument, actually. You've just dismissed the accusation over and over. I trust DropBear more than you at this point. Let's see what you have to say for yourself. I don't see any really good defences here. On April 16 2011 11:52 Kenpachi wrote: wasnt half bad? it made no stance on me being mafia No stance? I gave a very strong stance. I said out and out that I suspected you. On April 16 2011 12:21 Kenpachi wrote: haha dude why dont you respond to me DropBear? Now I have. Could you respond to me please? | ||
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On April 17 2011 05:15 Barundar wrote: I highly doubt scum have 2 roleblockers. I suggest we lynch either me or m0nster to clear this up. Why is this beneficial exactly? As I remember, you were on the elect Marshal train. You were also never on the lynch Coag train. You're making me nervous Barundar. | ||
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On April 17 2011 05:51 Kenpachi wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2011 12:46 DropBear wrote: Alright Kenpachi. You have dismissed me. Repeatedly. The only real refutation you have is this: You say GM is the best choice, yet despite being active around the deadline post that you think your vote is on the wrong guy and don't change it. You claim that I should be disregarded because I'm new and noone analyses you. It's understandable to me now. Why was it terrible exactly? I don't see any really good defences here. No stance? I gave a very strong stance. I said out and out that I suspected you. Now I have. Could you respond to me please? what are you trying to say I'm trying to say I find you highly suspicious and that you haven't defended yourself sufficiently for me to leave you alone yet. | ||
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On April 17 2011 12:03 Kenpachi wrote: bleh. i dont see why you find me suspicious. I dont want to give you credit for a half assed analysis btw. I said what you were missing in your analysis and that was awareness of whats going on around the post i made. DocH was muy aggressive and GM was the neutral party. What, you want me to vote myself or Kitaman? we both had like 1 vote each. I thought my vote was on the wrong guy cause GM cause iirc, he didnt want to lynch annul but Airblade. What? When was annul in this game again? I'm going to leave you alone for the time being. Coag in his last violent moments outed three people as being teammates. Milkyst who was modkilled and turned out red. On April 15 2011 15:35 Coagulation wrote: Guys We should lynch Milkyst I Might be 100% Sure hes scum LSB who died last night and came up green On April 15 2011 17:06 Coagulation wrote: Also props to LSB for coming up with the Gmarsh Medic claim. That was brilliant. And lastly Kenpachi, who is still here. On April 15 2011 17:17 Coagulation wrote: You would have to ask them. Kenpachi seems to think he can still win but i tried telling him its hopeless. I am not convinced he would have been so stupid as to throw away 2 names of his allies, no matter how angry he was. Milkyst was probably on the list because Coag was pissed at him for being inactive. The other two could be misinformation. I haven't forgotten about you Kenpachi, you haven't been helping town at all this game except for calling out newbies like Latrommi and myself, but I'm diverting my attention elsewhere for now. Rean, a response please. | ||
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A few things have kind of clicked for me the in the last day. -I believe Kita's watcher call. I've been backing him since the beginning as a pro-townie. -I believe that Bum is town. It is likely that he is blue. -I am a regular townie. If I was visiting M0nsterChef then I must be a Nosy Neighbour. -M0nsterchef probably claimed that he was roleblocked because there was significant doubt on his watcher claim. The roleblock claim was his way to get people to believe him. HOWEVER the night's events have brought me to two very strong realisations: Firstly, I was wrong about Rean. Secondly and more importantly, Chaoser has lied about his Vig claim | ||
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On night 1, there were 8 people killed. 4 were from Mafia, as confirmed by BB On April 16 2011 14:31 BrownBear wrote: I intentionally did not reduce mafia KP tonight because I didn't feel it was fair to punish them for Coagulation's idiocy. 3 were from Assassins. 1 was from a vigilante. GGQ was killed that night and he was a vigilante. Last night, despite there being only 4 Mafia remaining and therefore 2 KP, three people died. The assassins have left the game, there were no modkills so the third hit HAD to have come from a Vigilante. Pandain was a vig and is dead. GGQ was a vig and is dead. A third vigilante supplied one of the kills last night. It is extremely unlikely that there are 4 vigs. Conclusion: Chaoser is lying about his roleclaim. | ||
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On April 16 2011 14:14 chaoser wrote: i can not count, sorry also, i shot the shit out of LSB...still can't believe he's not mafia. VIGI CLAIM-ED This is chaoser's roleclaim. | ||
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On April 20 2011 00:32 kitaman27 wrote: Got any suggestions for who should go next? Chaoser? | ||
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On April 20 2011 00:41 bumatlarge wrote: Well, better to process the information sooner. True, we do have our lynch target, but claiming won't hurt anything, better to pressure mafia to claim now. Sooner you claim, better your image. I claim Nosy Neighbour | ||
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On April 20 2011 01:06 chaoser wrote: lol....that's like, best claim I've ever seen lol. shoulda just pulled a caller and claimed you got mindcontrolled by RoL from outside the game lol It actually would have worked perfectly if not for Kita's watching skillz. I'm sorry I lied guys. I'm actually a detective. | ||
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On April 20 2011 01:14 Barundar wrote: ^Coag 2.0 You want me to claim even though I got RB'ed 2 of 3 nights? I find it curious how RB went off me when I removed conversion from my scum list =) Hey. Don't compare me to him. That's seriously offensive. You have no idea how pissed at him I am. I'll explain after the game. Things behind the scenes were actually very complicated. | ||
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On April 20 2011 01:22 kitaman27 wrote: Complicated? Story time! I would like to point out how successful my electoral run was in catching scum. Clearly no townie in their right mind would vote for me. Mafia pardoner? Check Winning Assassin? Check Mafia Role Blocker? Check I knew I shouldn't have ignored all that discussion on who should be night hit at my rally You haven't won the game yet kita, don't get too cocky I'm so gonna beat you in FPL for this haha I'll wait til the end for story time. I've been writing up a big explanatory post since after the day 2 lynch. | ||
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Lol, thanks for the offer but I think I can handle it myself. Get back to work Everyone should join FPL btw, I came 21st in my first go for Winner's League, going for top ten this time! | ||
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Leta (c) Fantasy Midas firebathero Crazy-Hydra Grape WeMade FOX Anti Saint Tyson hero Ok that's enough spam from me for a while. You guys sure you don't want to vote chaoser? I'm much cooler than he is :D | ||
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On April 10 2011 11:34 BrownBear wrote: Incognito the Informant is now dead? INCOGNITO THE INFORMANT IS OBVIOUSLY A DOUBLE-AGENT. Why Incognito is Mafia: -Leads the most vocal and important townie, Plexa, into a trap. -Has a significant hand in the death of the innocent Qatol. -Extremely low post count compared to previous games. -Suspicious voting patterns. -No defence of himself whatsoever. Seems like a pretty open and shut case to me. Also everyone should take note of this: On April 10 2011 12:39 chaoser wrote: Vote For chaoser! He's obviously using reverse-psychology. | ||
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On April 21 2011 12:27 kitaman27 wrote: This lynch was way too easy. Look how fast he was bandwagoned. I'm guessing he's town. There's still time to save me. I backed you from the start man, I even voted for you as mayor. Have you forgotten all the good times already? On March 29 2011 13:32 DropBear wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxBeOdLHSPU Strength in numbers newbies! | ||
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This is your chance to stand up for what's right! Don't be bullied anymoer! Vote for Chaoser! He lied about his Vig claim! | ||
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On April 16 2011 14:14 chaoser wrote: i can not count, sorry also, i shot the shit out of LSB...still can't believe he's not mafia. VIGI CLAIM-ED 8 People died night 2, 4 from Mafia, 3 from assassins, 1 from GGQ. Last night, 3 people died. Only 2 were Mafia so the other one HAD to come from a vig. | ||
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Wouldn't that be convenient for you! | ||
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You know this guy is dodgy. Help me out here. I just made a rookie mistake and I'm getting shat on for it. | ||
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On April 21 2011 13:12 kitaman27 wrote: DropBear makes a good point. I suggest everyone switch their votes over to this guy. All I see is words, words, words. | ||
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HA! I AM INVINCIBLE! | ||
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DROPBEAR’S THOUGHTS ON HIS DEBUT First of all, congratulations to the town on your victory. This was the first game of Mafia I’ve ever played and it was dramatic to say the least. It’s almost a relief to be done; I found it very difficult to keep lying for such a long period! It takes a lot of time trying to process all the information too, I wasn’t really lurking, I was quite active it just took me that long to decide on what to write with everything happening so quickly lol. I tried to put myself in the mind of a townie while I was diverting attention and make my misinformation as believable as possible, even to myself. I’m going to give my perspective of several things, firstly why we failed so badly the first two days. 1: THE MAFIA’S EARLY CAPITULATION -We had an inexperienced team. -We had enormous issues with activity and co-ordination. We never heard from Milkyst, Darth didn't start talking to us until the end of night 2. Very little strategy was discussed early on and we were rarely online at the same time. -We played very poorly on day one. Almost everyone had a slip of some kind or looked dodgy. -A large number of the unexplained votes onto Marshal for mayor were new players who had nothing to do with us at all. It made it look even more suspicious than it really was. -The combined pressure from Flamewheel/Ver/Incognito on the Protactinium account made things very hard. GMarshal and Coag in particular didn’t handle it well. -A large part of our strategy was based on GMarshal pardoning himself. We had it confirmed by BrownBear as legit. -Meapak's decision was a COLOSSAL fuckup, cost us our most active player and completely blew us out of the water. BB may have not told him the rules but he ignored the proof that BC sent him of the conversation with BB which legitimised it. The combination of this and finding out about the Protactinium issue at the same time meant we went from feeling great to being demoralised. -Also at the same time, Serejai was given a public warning and the same was not done for "Protactinium." I’m still not sure what it is Serejai actually did but I’m going to assume based on his sub-out post that he posted game info outside the game. -In our conversation immediately after on IRC, Qatol's explanation for the lack of punishment for Flamewheel wasn’t to our satisfaction. Meapak then came in and not only has not apologised, told us he couldn’t change anything and then when we protested to go to hell. The whole team very nearly conceded right there. Airblade and Darth were not present for the conversation and if they had been our collective anger could have seen us all sub out simultaneously. -Serejai felt mistreated by both the admins so he left. We haven't heard from him since. He was then shot night 2, I'm not sure who by. -Coagulation was extremely angry already because we didn't follow his stupid plan of having the entire team jump on the Marsh for mayor train. He felt that getting pardoner instead of mayor was a massive failure and went berserk at the newer players, especially me. He claimed there was a feud between himself and Incognito and that the Protactinium thing was a way to get back at him. The warning for Serejai and seeming slap on the wrist for the Protactinium trio, plus Meapak’s decision, pushed him over the edge. Despite attempts to get him to calm down he got himself modkilled and handed over a large portion of our blue list. Yes the majority of that list was legit. Not only this, his early flip cast doubt on me for my strong defence of him day 2. -Milkyst got modkilled. He was completely M.I.A. and didn't make contact with anyone from the start of the game. -As far as I know BC pretty much disappeared after the GMarshal lynch. I heard from him once more which was him saying “hello” and that was it. -The hits on LSB and aidnai by parties other than us night 2 destroyed a lot of doubt and helped with the beginnings of a very difficult to break town circle. It also helped people suspect Darth later in the game due to him jumping on the lynch LSB train. -Darth wanted to hit bumatlarge night 2, I insisted we hit Wiggles instead. The early end of the assassin game reduced third party KP and our chances of crossfire into town disappeared. It also helped aforementioned town circle form even more. OVERALL The combination of poor play by us, our inactivity problems, the massive fuckup by Meapak, our anger with what happened, the idiocy of Coag and sheer bad luck meant that we were basically crippled after night 2. We had lost half our KP in one night, there was a massive town circle forming and the only players left with any real activity were very inexperienced. But we fought on! AirbladeOrange, TranceStorm and I started planning and we tried to peg things back. Darth came in to visit occasionally too. After the kevconsim mislynch, there was still hope! WHAT FINALLY GOT US Once again we had the opportunity to kill bumatlarge night 3 and I insisted on not doing so. I wanted to get him to help lynch DocH down the track, I had tunnel vision on taking out the mayor. I’m sorry to Airblade and TranceStorm for being so stubborn about it. I insisted on Rean and Cub. My entire plan of action was killed by Kita’s watching on M0nsterchef and follow-up claim. I should have fought against bum or DocH but I went after chaoser. It was a solid misdirection but for Kita’s claim and my horrible rookie mistake on the nosy neighbouring handed the town an invincible circle. Not only that, jaminz nailed AO the following night and that was it. If not for Kita and jaminz' work I think we could have come back and won. The watchers and bum won this game for town in the end, my fuckup was bad but I think our defeat was inevitable after their claims. The three of them were easily town’s best players in my opinion. 2: WHAT WE DID RIGHT I think the sole moment of glory for us was our sniping night 1. We got 2 blues out of it, an experienced player in Cub (even though he was reborn lol) and a very vocal townie. Tnkted was our big play that we were going to use to discredit everybody, he had fought against DocH and Protact. The constant roleblocking on Barundar was to question to roleblocker numbers and because he seemed to be fighting for GMarshal , we wanted to use this to get DocH lynched down the track and divert medic/watcher attention to Barundar while we sniped everyone else. But then Protact stepped in with the massive pressure on Coag, we reacted badly and things went downhill after that. I admit that I played poorly. In my defence, look at post 55 of our quicktopic. 4 blues and an assassin out of 7 on the first day isn’t too bad, ay? 3: MY OPINIONS ON THE TOWN PLAYERS First of all I’d like to point out that many of the early town reads were wrong. If things hadn’t imploded for us the way they did I have no doubt that we could have won. DocH's early calls in particular were all off-target. Second I was surprised at how aggressive the game got. I even found myself getting emotional at times. Thirdly it is obvious that the game was dominated by experienced players. Next time I play, either town or mafia, I will try and assert myself a bit more in the thread. Congratulations to Eiii for winning the assassin game, despite your major slip. We took out Wiggles for you so you owe us Kenpachi, sorry for tunnelling you so hard! We needed something, anything, to get attention off Coagulation on day 2. Tnkted, I hope you enjoyed your stint in the Mafia IRC after you died. It’s pretty interesting in there as you found out! Jaminz, your analysis was actually very good! Why didn’t you start doing it earlier? You were very effective for your team and delivered the final blow. Kitaman27 was easily MVP, congratulations. Bum is runner-up. The two of you pretty much destroyed us; you were even coordinating already on night 1. Town’s worst players were their Vigilantes. Neither of the medics who died were killed by us, nor was LSB. Pandain’s claim got him killed night 1 as well. Dodgiest looking townie was probably Conversion. We were so gonna get you lynched later on. Congrats for surviving! Luckiest survivor was bumatlarge. Every Mafia wanted you dead except me, I didn’t know you were such a good player. I’ll not make the same mistake again! Unluckiest townie was definitely CubEdln. I hope you didn’t waste too much of your life reading up on the thread in getting killed twice haha. Consider it an honour. Runners-up were Mig and aidnai the medics for getting killed by their own side. 4: THE PROTACTINIUM AND PARDONER ISSUES As to the controversy, if it had been BrownBear around instead of Meapak at the crucial time much of our failure wouldn't have happened. Unfortunately it wasn't to be and shit went crazy. Qatol and was in an extremely difficult situation: he wasn’t fully informed of the setup, had to deal with three of the crucial pillars of the TL mafia community cheating, immense pressure from BC and the rest of us, cheating and modkillable aggression from two of our players, the mistake and stubbornness from Meapak, the absence of BrownBear, a desire to keep the game going and to try and be fair to the rest of the Mafia team. He did the best he could to get us to keep playing, we very very nearly conceded right then and there. I apologised via PMs for going off at you and I’d like to do so again more publicly. I almost left but I'm glad I stayed on in the end and overall this game was a lot of fun. Flamewheel and co, I don’t see why you couldn’t have just joined separately. Town already had a coach in Foolishness. What you did wasn’t fair. Meapak, you made a mistake. But whatever, I don’t hate you for it or anything. Your offer of a grudgematch, if still open, is accepted. It would make a light end to what was a bit of a headache. My sc2 skill level is approximately the same as your silver, I have no BW match experience other than the AI and against my drunken friends but if someone helps me setup all the necessary stuff for ICCUP I reckon I could take you. BrownBear, it must have been very frustrating for you to have us to implode as we did. I’m sorry we couldn’t have made your game closer. I understand the modkills completely, thank you for giving us the extra KP night 2 and for being generally fair and helpful to those who remained. You were a great host and thanks for having me. 5: TO MY TEAMMATES: Huge props to TranceStorm and AirbladeOrange for stepping up big time when things got bad. None of us really knew what we were doing but I feel we put up a fight. I’m sorry if I steamrolled over you both at times, I should have listened to you more. You’re good blokes and I'd love to play with you both again. Serejai, I am disappointed you left. You were active and funny. Your trolling the thread was very calculated and effective and was actually helping distract matters. I am still unaware of what it is you actually did to earn that warning but I’m going to assume from what your sub-out post that you posted game info outside the game. I can understand your disappointment but you did break the rules and you really left us in the lurch by bailing. You will probably get a ban out of this and may not even come back at all. It makes me sad because it could have been avoided. Coagulation, I don't understand anything you did or said in all this. Before I joined the Mafia forum I knew you as the guy who made hilarious blogs, photoshops and the hostage thread which is my favourite TL thread. I PM’d you THREE TIMES IN A ROW trying to get you to calm down and you still managed to get yourself modkilled. WE COULD HAVE SALVAGED THE SITUATION IF YOU HADN’T DONE THAT! If BrownBear hadn’t let us keep the 4th KP after your modkill for night 2 we would have been even more fucked. The fact that you handed over that bluelist as well..... Milkyst, all we heard from you was a single quicktopic post. You never answered my PMs, nor Marshal’s. Don’t join next time if you aren’t going to play. Darth, I wish you’d been talking to us earlier. Sorry I didn’t listen to you about bumatlarge I just noticed going through the quicktopic again that you advocated killing him night 1 as well lol. GMarshal, man you are scummy scum! You're a good bloke and even though your plans didn't work it was fun putting them together. Thanks for the guidance and for convincing me to keep playing after the shit hit the fan. It was fun playing with you and I’m sure we will again. Thanks to both my coaches, BC and Foolishness. BC for helping us co-ordinate as much as possible in the first 2 days, Foolishness for helping me coordinate my tunneling. Did you know I was scum as well? FINALLY Despite the dramas and my massive individual fail this was a fun and interesting experience. I will definitely play again, but I’ll probably play in smaller games and wait until I’m not in the middle of mid-semester exams next time GG Town. | ||
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On April 24 2011 13:09 Jackal58 wrote: ] I would have rather had him as pardoner than mayor. He would have been a better choice as pardoner than you turned out to be. :p And ya Coag told me he wanted me dead asap. Some git with a gun shot me instead. Why did you think it was a poor idea? Other than hoping a vig would shoot me? I would have used my belief that both of you were scum to find more of you after Proact was dead. But some git with a gun shot me. It was us who shot you Jackal. Our night 2 kills were you, Lemonwalrus, GGQ and Wiggles. | ||
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On April 16 2011 04:38 Coagulation wrote: Protactinium - Confirmed DT bang bang MEDICS better Ptotect. Lemonwalrus - good chance hes lurking blue. kitaman27 - Has had a higher investment in this game than his usual playstyle. Jackal58 - Hasnt tunneled a single time so hes clearly laying low this game. Might be assassin but he was pretty vocal about the other assassin being elected so that leaves blue. CubEdIn - slight blue read on him. He came back into thread wanting blood so hes gonna be a good kill regardless to get the experienced players out of here. bumAtLarge - Good analyzer but I think hes just a townie. Would be a good shot if you can stop him from catching scum. LSB - Are we pretending your town still? ok you can be a blue again. (100$ says he cant resist all the role claims and claims super DT before im lynched) Whether you were just fucking around or not, every single one of these people bar Protactinium was under consideration. | ||
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On April 24 2011 13:36 Jackal58 wrote: Be back shortly. I'm going to go beat Coag about the head and shoulders. Well mostly head. On April 24 2011 13:38 Coagulation wrote: I wasnt alive night 2 it had nothing to do with me. Coag is telling the truth here, he was dead well before we sent in the kill list. Darth and myself both wanted you dead and noone argued against it so it went through. | ||
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On April 24 2011 13:56 Coagulation wrote: Wait can you please explain to me why you have a problem with me posting blue reads in thread? whats the problem here? Because they were legit. We actually tried to kill these people. Kita and bum already suspected each other to be blues going on their coordination in the first couple of days. It helped clear them and made things harder for everyone left. That's enough from me for now, I want to watch the WeMade game. I'll be involved in the ban list discussion in the next few days. I also want to allow Qatol, BB and Meapak to say their bit. | ||
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On April 24 2011 13:38 chaoser wrote: I dunno why you went after me out of all people. I'm pretty sure at that point Mr and Bum were pretty much cleared as townie and DrH was only suspected based on the fact that IF he was mafia, the mafia actually had a chance of winning so people were asking around about that. Also, I don't think the vigis were that weak at all, they cleared the table of all our suspects, making the next few day's lynches completely free for new suspects. Had the vigis not shot then we probably would have wasted a few days on LSB and whatnot I panicked lol. I completely forgot the possibility of DocH being able to visit people at night undetected, plus I read kita's claim post just before I had to leave to go to an exam. When I got back I wanted to respond quickly and didn't think my arguments through anywhere near enough As for the vigis, you're right I probably should have waited to see a action list to make such a call. Serejai did get shot night 2 after all. Someone shot mig and aidnai the medics though and neither was us | ||
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On April 24 2011 14:12 Coagulation wrote: Yeah im sure town is gonna rally around blue reads from a flipped scum as a confirmed town circle. thats funny. Well they did in the end, didn't they! | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
I forgot about this writeup. I studied the one for XXX extensively. I guess it got proved correct again I wanted to keep bum and kita alive to help take down DocH. It was a big mistake. Also, TranceStorm was very much in favour of killing urashimakt and jaminz night 3, we should have listened to him | ||
DropBear
Australia4191 Posts
On April 24 2011 16:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The situation from there turned into shite. GM was lynched, coag modkilled, serejai vigi'd and milk modkilled. I sat in the mafia irc for 2 days and only saw dropbear once, and checked their quicktopic to see very little talking that I could directly input on so I stayed back and observed waiting for messages and checked irc periodically but never saw anyone there. We should have been more active in PMing you, but I was actually in IRC almost every moment I was awake, it's just that I'm 12 hours ahead of you! TranceStorm and Airblade became very active after the Marshal lynch. There was little in the quicktopic because we were doing most of our discussions in IRC, we had several 2-3 hour discussions. | ||
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