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On April 12 2011 05:07 GGQ wrote: This is bullshit, I'm not comfortable with a single mayor candidate. Now I wish I ran myself, but I didn't think I would have the 'street cred' around here to get elected. I'm obviously not going to run now, that would just split votes even further. At this point I'm going to say that we need to get votes off of GMarshal and onto DocH and Protact.
I've supported making Protact the Pardoner since his first announcement, so that should be no surprise to anyone. As for DocH, well... it makes me nervous that he said pre-game that he wouldnt run unless he's mafia... if he turns out to be mafia I'll feel really really stupid. But I think he just realised the same thing as me; none of the other candidates were very good, so he decided to run.
GMarshal, I'm sorry if you turn out to be town, but your posts in this game have just been bad, bad, bad. I don't want you as mayor or pardoner.
tnkted, I just don't think you're competent enough, sorry.
kitaman running specifically for pardoner is weird and sketchy. Don't like it.
And those are our only options. -_-
I don't recall hear much from you and would be interested in more of your analysis, reasonings, and examples.
The more I think about it especially with this post, I believe there is a decent chance mafia is running multiple people. There is a big power struggle for mayor. I'm not really convinced any one the candidates are mafia, but maybe two of the major ones are mafia and are arguing with each other to further confuse us.
Marshal and Dr. H both being mafia? I don't know how plausible that is but it could really throw us for a loop and is something we should keep in mind. I know I don't have sound examples for this but all the major candidates seem to be good players and it could easily throw newer players like myself off. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm trying to think about this and this is what's on my mind.
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What does EBWODP mean?
Also, Marshal where is this coming from? Why are you hating on me now? Make up your mind whether your going to have my lynched or not because if you are I don't want to vote for you anymore.
How can I possibly be more redish than OrigionalName or M0nsterChef?
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On April 12 2011 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:34 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 13:32 chaoser wrote: GM, who are you lynching again if you're elected mayor? Not ON but airbladeorange? I'll let you choose, which one do you think is a better lynch? AO's posts are coming off as super scummy to me, but I have a personal bias towards ON as I liked him when we were a scumteam in factory mafia, and I think he is playing his usual poor town game. I'm purple on airbladeorange. I wish we could PM each other but could you post a full case for him please? He's one of the few players I haven't analysed fully and if your case is good I'd consider lynching him over Bdar.
I've been trying to publicly state my thoughts to everyone and keep everyone informed on my positions. Marshal, among others, has failed to answer my previous post where I ask what seems more scummy about myself compared to my top two picks of OriginalName and M0nsterChef. I really want to know if I should change my vote because time is almost up.
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I'm afraid to die. Marshal has not settled on me as far as I know, just putting some heat on me I guess. I'm not going to change my vote off of him because I still think he is the best option we have for mayor. Hopefully this will persuade him from supporting my lynching.
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Ah shit. I wished I had read Marshal's post before time expired.
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On April 12 2011 14:05 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:03 AirbladeOrange wrote: Ah shit. I wished I had read Marshal's post before time expired. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:04 M0nsterChef wrote: Agh crap, I was seriously considering changing votes, just because of all the stuff that has happened recently, until I realized time was up. All of a fucking sudden people come out of the woodworks "just as time ends".
Actually it worked out for me because I would definitely switch my vote to Dr. H if I knew Marshal was going to kill me. And yes I actually did not read it until voting ended.
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Is anyone besides Dr. H actually surprised?
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Obviously Dr. H's analysis was flawed but I still don't think he's mafia. I'm still suspicious of ON and M0nsterChef. Anyone else?
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I have been advocating M0nsterChef as one of my main suspects for being red even before all the shitstorm about the mayor campaign.
On April 10 2011 04:03 M0nsterChef wrote: I'm also in favour of a strong analyst over a strong leader, simply because it should help achieve the final goal of hunting mafia. Keeping the town focused, and applying pressure to scum can all be done by careful and well thought out analysis.
This is in response to being called out for blindly voting for GMarshal. He provides us with this extensive post of bold reasoning. A strong analysis over a strong leader? What does that even mean? Dr. H and GMarshal both appeared to be good analyzers as well as leaders. The rest of the post is just pointless blabble about the goal of the game and keeping the town united. Obvious fluffy stuff.
On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote?
And here is his second reply when GMarshal wanted a better explanation of his vote.
On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with. Anyways, as for questions What are your thoughts on the current situation? Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often. Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? -Seems to be more analyst oriented -Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon -Seems to be "Pro-town" -Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game. -Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart. Why don't you like the other candidates? -Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched. -Protactium has said he is not town.
Here is an apology and admitting to making a mistake. I think he is being real when he says he knows he made a mistake but again, the rest of his post is just throwing out relatively useless questions which many people have already been addressing.
On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice.
Just to re iterate.
I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
My platform: -ignore assassin bullshit for the most part -I'd consider protact for pardoner because a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town -keep town focused on hunting scum -ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say
so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are: 1. originalname 2. mig 3. kavdragon
That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said: ##Unvote Protact ## Vote DrH As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on. This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts.
Here is the next useless post. He claims he explained why he voted for GMarshal, which I guess he did. I'm just not sure you can even call it an explanation.
On April 12 2011 08:05 M0nsterChef wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote:
I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content.
And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON?
I don't know if this really points to anything but it should be noted that he is quite defensive.
On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote: Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake.
I take this as playing the noob card to the extreme. "Come on guys, stop picking on me."
The rest of his posts were even more pointless than the ones I quotes. One of them being saying "dang" after Kav was found out to be green. Another was just a comment about the spamming in the tread.
He only has 10 posts thus far in the game and has contributed even less than me. At least I'm trying and open to answering questions. All of his responses were the opposite of compelling.
The reason I wanted to bring him up was the I was suspicious of him ever since the blind GMarshal vote. As the game goes on GM is looking more and more red. GM is even accusing me without any real analysis and has yet to ask me questions directly, which I am more than happy to address. But I guess my beef with GM will be left for another post later.
I am always leery of people who look like scum from the very beginning and fail to ever help their own public image.
With all that said I want everyone to be clear who are on my scummy list: M0nsterChef GMarshal OriginalName
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I'm not necessarily against lynching coagulation, but how is he definitely a better kill than M0nsterChef, OriginalName, or GMarshal?
At first I didn't know what to make of Coag because he seemed all over the place. Now, after Protac's analysis I certainly agree he is very suspicious. But I'm just not convinced he is more dangerous than any of the other suspicious people. They all seem on the same level to me.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2011 01:58 redFF wrote:We should lynch m0nsterChef. Let me tell you why. If you remember, his first contribution after the game started was to vote for GM in the voting thread. Voting without contribution was enough to warrant suspicion, but considering some of the other votes for GM: Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 18:10 AirbladeOrange wrote: Hello. I just got off my temp ban and had to read through 438967346 pages here.
For the mayor situation, it just seems so difficult to actually pick a good mayor at the beginning of the game. Everyone who's running seems like they have an equally valid reason for why people should vote for them. Hell, I probably would have run if I weren't temp banned.
My instincts tell me to vote for the flashy guy. Marshal seems like he would be a guy with a fancy looking suit based on the pretty pictures presented in his campaign post. and Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 13:33 OriginalName wrote: Well GMarshal you actually put forward an agreeable plan.
Lynching inactives LURKERS Great idea unless you have a really obvious and active scum day 1 (Which I would not discount with so many newbies).
My really base reads right now are GMarshal is town. Ive been on a scumteam with him he has more holes than swiss cheese.
However as a mayor I would like to know what his plans are after Day 1 as lets face it D1 lynch is a damn crapshoot 80% of the time and when I vote I want more long term goals and ideas in mind Im not amazing at reads however if people do put forward them I will take the time to look at their scum reads.
Another thing - one thing I picked up from a vet and I think we ought to start doing is analysing tge posts of those nightkilled. Imagine if we looked at GMs reads in insane 2 GF may have been outed faster creating a completely different game (ie Blacks wouldnt have made enough money for the names).
So there ##Vote Gmarshal and all dat jazz.
Made him doubly suspicious to me without even posting. Now here is his reason for the vote Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 11 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with. Anyways, as for questions What are your thoughts on the current situation? Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often. Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? -Seems to be more analyst oriented -Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon-Seems to be "Pro-town" -Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game. -Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart. Why don't you like the other candidates? -Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched. -Protactium has said he is not town. Consider how DrH made lynching kav a huge part of his campaign, yet here there is no mention of DrH at all in this post. The rest of this post is pretty barren in content and high on recycling stuff already said, and obvious stuff e.g. Protact is not town, Protact cares about the assassin game etcetc. Now look at his next few posts in the thread. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice.
Just to re iterate.
I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
My platform: -ignore assassin bullshit for the most part -I'd consider protact for pardoner because a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town -keep town focused on hunting scum -ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say
so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are: 1. originalname 2. mig 3. kavdragon
That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said: ##Unvote Protact ## Vote DrH As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on. This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 12:24 M0nsterChef wrote: I'm pretty sure my explanation of my vote was not just wanted by MrWiggles and also Gmarshal and the other people playing the game. I simply used MrWiggles questions as a template for my explanation. Whether or not he is scum is irrelevant. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:05 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote:
I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content.
And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON? Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote: Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. All him defending himself, no analysis like he said he would do in his post justifying voting for GM. No contribution at all. even throws in a little slip as to him and ON being together somehow. He hasn't mentioned ON before that, hasn't interacted with him throughout the whole thread either. Strange that the majority of his posts are him defending himself and he has nothing else to contribute. Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:04 M0nsterChef wrote: Agh crap, I was seriously considering changing votes, just because of all the stuff that has happened recently, until I realized time was up. Well ok then...thanks. indeed. Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 11:17 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 13 2011 09:17 GMarshal wrote: So you guys want to lynch me over the guy up there huh? /applause
Well I guess thats one way to play mafia, just pretend to be really stupid. His contributions are even less than mine. I think that it would be a waste to lynch him 2nd day because he doesn't seem to be doing anything that is hurting our progress other than making pointless posts. Decent point, I guess at least you acknowledge that you aren't contributing... ##Vote M0nsterChefWhy we should not lynch coagulation. Think about it for a second. Why in christs name would a dt claim assassin? If protact was really dt, he could have just run for mayor normally, got voted in, and then said he was dt now he was protected. Im tired of protact claiming black, claiming blue and just serving up a bunch of fucking wifom and derailing the thread. We should concentrate on lynching scum. And the most certain scum lynch seems to be m0nsterChef. Since ON got replaced by LSB and LSB seems like a long time player. I'm guessing he could be valuable to town and we shouldn't lynch him today.
If the most important thing to do is to lynch scum, I just can't see coag being scummier than the guys I have been suspicious of long before coag. GMarshal, OriginalName, and most importantly M0nsterChef. I just don't really trust protac that much. His analysis seems quite good but so do his manipulation skills. I feel safer sticking to my guns and going with the people I think have the higher chance of being mafia. Right now that is M0nsterChef. Nobody have actually made a convincing argument why coag, if mafia, is actually more dangerous to keep around for another day than any other scum.
Furthermore, I thought I did a decent job of showing all of M0nsterChef's notable posts. I think it's strange Red went through and did the same kind of thing that I did and came to the same conclusion. Big post without really saying much.
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I haven't posted in a while so I will just continue to let everyone know where I stand.
M0nsterChef was the top of my scum list but after him claiming blue I am now inclined to believe he is just a soon-to-be-dead blue.
OringinalName was next on my list but he got replaced. So his replacement is now high on my list based only on ON's actions before he was replaced.
GMarshal is on here too. He just seems like he is trying too hard. I'm not even feeling like I need to defend myself from his analysis because it just doesn't really mean anything. If others want me to clear anything up just let me know. I just don't want him as my first pick because at least he is active and could help pick up scum if he is town.
I don't trust Flamewheel because he has lied before and is an experienced player capable of manipulating situations to suit his personal goals.
I think I would be okay with a Coag kill, but I'm not sure he is my first choice based on ON's prior actions that I don't feel like digging up again. I feel like we're not going to forget all the heat on him so it's not like a now or never lynch.
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He's my vote as of now too.
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I think Prot is black too. His analysis in general is very good, but so is his ability to manipulate town opinion. This he will undoubtedly use to further his own goals, which may or may not coincide with the town's goals at a given time, but ultimately I think has to deceive us. He has to figure out the other assassins and take them out. This is not our game plan as town. We need to kill reds.
I'm not going to vote yet as there is plenty of time tomorrow to see if any new developments happen. With M0nsterChef doing a suicidal blue claim, my next target has been ON (or his replacement LSB). I'm going to keep playing this out sticking to my own convictions and see where that gets us.
I certainly don't trust Coag any more than the author of his big analysis, Protac. But I still fail to see any reason to lynch him over LSB for reasons that began before day one. Not lynching Coag now does not mean that we can never lynch him again. As long as we don't forget the analysis done on him and why he is suspicous, I'm not too worried about him. I see many people in this game that seem to completely change their stances or take multiple stances in a short amount of time due only to other players' analysis. I might even put GMarshal ahead of Coag on my scum list. But I will deal with that if/when the time comes.
There are definitely players I trust more than others but I'm not going to change my stance or my vote just because of another opinion post. There are over a hundred pages of those (mixed in with a good deal of spam). A lot can be learned if people put more of an emphasis on reading rather than posting. Out of 122 pages, there are probably only enough worthwhile posts to fill less than 10 of the pages. It sucks having to wade through all this shit, which is why I choose to trust myself and a closely follow a few solid posters to help get through the unimportant posts to examine the ones that have a higher probability of actually being useful.
I think pretty soon GMarshal will come at me again, just like he does every time I post.
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I agree with the assessment protac is almost certainly an assassin.
The Gmarshal thing was really weird to me. Is this normal in games? Like someone else said it just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. He wanted me dead but just pardoned me to waste his pardon? Is that what happened?
I have been suspicious of coag for a while now but I'm actually starting to not see him as scummy as I think most people do. GM was red and he defended coag a great deal even though he, himself, was under a lot of heat. A good mafia goon would not make it so obvious that another member of his team was red because of the high chance GM would die thus exposing coag as red. I would like others opinions on this one because they seem to know GM's play from previous games.
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Red's post: + Show Spoiler +On April 15 2011 14:54 redFF wrote:So we suspect LSB as scum right? I think enough of a case has been made against him and ON before him. So assuming all goes well and LSB and coag get vigid, I propose we lynch MigShow nested quote +On April 10 2011 15:13 Mig wrote:On April 10 2011 14:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
it's just shit everyone else said, sounds like you're regurgitating the points strong players have made to make yourself sound agreeable somehow. if you were typing up that small post at the same time we already went through all that then you're the worlds slowest typist I am really slow. On April 10 2011 14:51 GMarshal wrote:
So, to counteract the fact that you have been adding little let me ask you a few little questions
Who is your #1 town read? Not counting inactives, who is your number 1 scum read? Who is your favorite Starcraft Player? #1 town read you- a lot of people vouched they could tell if you were mafia. If you were all mafia I don't think they would put themselves out there backing you because if you did end up being mafia it could be traced right back to all of them so I assume their opinions are genuine. #2 kavdragon but only because I didn't agree with his points about the assassin. I don't have any other real analysis. #3 for bw it was mondragon for sc2 jinro I guess I am playing pretty terribly so far regardless of what I am. All I can say is this is my first time playing and I was genuinely trying to help. As the game goes on and I learn I will provide better analysis. Look who is questioning him. Look who his number one town read is... Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 14:42 Mig wrote: It's definitely way too big of a risk to put an assassin as mayor so I think the main question is whether we should use the medics to protect him. Obviously prot would accept the medic proposal if he doesn't get elected because otherwise hes insta dead. Also it would be a way for the town to control him because if he ever refuses to use his powers the town can just not use the medics to protect him.
The problem with using the medics on prot would be A) it would give the assassins incentive to attack townies, similar to if he was mayor, also we don't know the role numbers. If we only have 1 medic and there are 3 assassins or 4 assassins and 2 medics then the assassins could still kill prot and our medics power would be wasted. Btw this is assuming we can stack medics if that's not possible someone can correct me.
Overall I think its too big of a risk to use the medics on prot and they would be better spent protecting the outspoken town members. repeating pro town stuff that had already been said tons of times yo. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:09 Mig wrote: A couple things since Dr.H is still saying I am mafia. It's incorrect to say all I I am trying to do is repeat pro town comments.
I believe there are only 2 posts where this could be argued. The first one I made on p27 I basically said exactly what Dr.H did but I posted it at almost the exact same time as him because I was typing it up at the same time.
The 2nd post that could look suspicious was on the top of p28. In that post I made 2 points that hadn't been mentioned previously. That A) if we were worried about prot not doing what we tell him if he becomes mayor we can control him with the medics. If we just give him medic protection then hes basically held hostage by us since if he doesn't do exactly what we want we can just not protect him and we don't lose anything. B) that its still a risk to use medics on him since we don't know the actual role numbers and the assassins may outnumber our medics to where we can't possibly protect him.
Someone said I was wishy washy for listing both points but I was trying to discuss what our optimal play was so I listed the pros and cons as I saw them, I still gave my opinion that it was too risky to use our medics on him.
I want to add I think it is suspicious how Dr.H is playing. It's in the best interest for the town for the new players to post as much as possible. They are the ones most likely to give up information and they will be most easily read by the vets so the more they post the better. With how Dr.H is playing it really discourages new people from posting out of fear that they may just be labeled as bandwagoning onto other pro town comments.
Dr.H can say hes just putting pressure on people to force mistakes but I think attacking the new players would be a very viable strategy for an aggressive mafia. After they attack a new player its likely the new player will either attack them back blindly or will start to post less. Either of which would make the new player appear suspicious.
same again, makes me even more sure. + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 07:53 OriginalName wrote:MiG Analysis Postcount 8/863 Total (1 pregame post) Experience Level: Newbie Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 12:04 Mig wrote: Yea excited for the game to finally start!
This is my first time playing so I don't really think I have the experience to be able to tell which mayor candidates are the best at analysis or the best leader etc. So I am going to base my vote purely on who I think is the most likely to be town. Nothing inherently wrong here: excited states he wants a protown mayor. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 13:26 Mig wrote: After all the other assassins are eliminated protactinium would just leave the game right? So if he managed to eliminate the other assassins early we could lose the chance to have a powerful town mayor for the rest of the game. Still looking protown here, doesnt add anything that his first post doesn't. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 14:25 Mig wrote:On April 10 2011 13:59 Kavdragon wrote: Oh man, Protact, you just made my day. That was brilliant, but not quite thought through enough.
The biggest problem, first and foremost, is that other assassins will be gunning for our body guards if you were Mayor/Pardoner. You may have two KP you are willing to lend us, but is it worth it if all the other assassins are going to be attacking townies because of it?
Another problem is that putting you in the position of Pardoner OR mayor would give you information about the bodyguards, something that would be quite valuable to the mafia. Since your win condition is not the same as our, I don't think that it would be wise for us to trust you with that information.
I loved the idea when I first read it, because I was thinking about how the assassins don't have a conflict of interest with the town, so it'd be great to get them working for us, but the problem becomes that we have to pick one of you to work with. That will set all the others against the town, and that counteracts the usefulness in a pretty big way. I do think making an assassin the mayor would turn the other assassins against the town but they are still extremely limited in what they can do since they only have 3 kills to use. But the 2nd point doesn't make any sense at all. What motive could the assassin possibly have to tell the mafia who the body guards were? The assassin would need to protect his bodyguards just as much as anyone. As long as his body guards are alive hes free to hunt the other assassins without there being any threat to his well being. This first point should be stressed more, who cares if we elect an assassin sure that one is pro town BUT ALL THE REST OF THEM NEED TO KILL POSSIBLY TOWNIE BODYGUARDS TO GET HIM! And there will be crapshoots by the assassins which may hit either alignment but since townies outnumber scum by so much (as is balanced) the chances of them reducing our town count before we lose signifcantly more than we gain by the assassins is a great reason why Protact should not have BGs. Im still not seeing the scuminess here. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 14:42 Mig wrote: It's definitely way too big of a risk to put an assassin as mayor so I think the main question is whether we should use the medics to protect him. Obviously prot would accept the medic proposal if he doesn't get elected because otherwise hes insta dead. Also it would be a way for the town to control him because if he ever refuses to use his powers the town can just not use the medics to protect him.
The problem with using the medics on prot would be A) it would give the assassins incentive to attack townies, similar to if he was mayor, also we don't know the role numbers. If we only have 1 medic and there are 3 assassins or 4 assassins and 2 medics then the assassins could still kill prot and our medics power would be wasted. Btw this is assuming we can stack medics if that's not possible someone can correct me.
Overall I think its too big of a risk to use the medics on prot and they would be better spent protecting the outspoken town members. Adds on how medic protection on Prot would also be another reason to spray and pray and cause more blue sniping for assassins, this leaves reds to kill outspoken townies as well as assassins may handle their blue snipes for them. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 14:48 Mig wrote:On April 10 2011 14:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
good job saying nothing and repeating "pro-town" stuff other people said
fos I wasn't trying to repeat what others said I was typing the posts up at the same time. You can see my other post where I basically said the exact same thing as you went up at the same time. If my posts are just saying nothing then I don't have any defense against that haha. I am just adding points I thought were valid. A wild DrH approaches! MiG ran! Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 15:13 Mig wrote:On April 10 2011 14:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
it's just shit everyone else said, sounds like you're regurgitating the points strong players have made to make yourself sound agreeable somehow. if you were typing up that small post at the same time we already went through all that then you're the worlds slowest typist I am really slow. On April 10 2011 14:51 GMarshal wrote:
So, to counteract the fact that you have been adding little let me ask you a few little questions
Who is your #1 town read? Not counting inactives, who is your number 1 scum read? Who is your favorite Starcraft Player? #1 town read you- a lot of people vouched they could tell if you were mafia. If you were all mafia I don't think they would put themselves out there backing you because if you did end up being mafia it could be traced right back to all of them so I assume their opinions are genuine. #2 kavdragon but only because I didn't agree with his points about the assassin. I don't have any other real analysis. #3 for bw it was mondragon for sc2 jinro I guess I am playing pretty terribly so far regardless of what I am. All I can say is this is my first time playing and I was genuinely trying to help. As the game goes on and I learn I will provide better analysis. Can't Escape! He states his reason for regurgitating information is that he is slow. Im still of the mind that even if he is restating opinions of others at least hes posting SOMETHING. He's sheeping really hard along with town ---> Do note that this is not always a scumtell and while it can be used to base an arguement off of it really doesn't mean anything without other tells along with it. HOWEVER he is also playing the n00b card alot and while it is true I want to see more of this analysis out of him before i truely call him all out scum. His last post is correcting a misspelling of his name. So: Mig is: Sheeping Doesnt want an assassin in a position of power. Wants a Town mayor (Don't we all?) Stressing he is new. I think hes more of a Newbie Sheeping Town than Scum A townie read from LSB/ON. Convenient. Pretty content-light analysis, but i pointed that out when it was posted. Just like i fos'd GM, coag and ON from a very early stage in case people think I'm just throwing around baseless accusations or that I'm scum (lol)
I pretty agree with your main points here. I have suspected ON from day one and have dismissed most of what LSB is saying just because I thought I had a really strong scrum read on ON.
As for Mig, I do find it very strange that he had a very strong town read on GM. Who the hell had a strong town read on GM and WHY? There were no good reasons for it. Having people higher on your lynch list that GM is one thing but getting a strong town read after all that shit with him went down is another thing completely.
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Actually, Mig's pro GM post was a lot earlier than I realized.
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On April 15 2011 15:36 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 15:35 Kenpachi wrote:On April 15 2011 15:35 Coagulation wrote: Guys We should lynch Milkyst I Might be 100% Sure hes scum who? He thought day 1 was a lynch vote and made his only post in the thread saying he was going to vote to lynch me and then voted me for mayor. Hasn't returned since. ^^
Haha, it's a love/hate relationship.
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1.) Does Red get replaced after getting banned?
2.) LSB's actions I do not think are particularly scummy but it's the actions of ON, the guy he replaced. Let's not get too caught up in LSB's play and remember how bad ON was looking before the replacement.
3.) I really think the assassins should be hitting protac. This guy has got to be an assassin himself and I know other people agree with me here. He has great analysis for right now, but his goals do not align with that of the towns. I don't think there is a need to have him protected by a blue tonight and if an assassin kills him then so be it, the game will go on just fine without him. I would expect his manipulation level to skyrocket in the next day or two.
4.) The only person I actually trust/trusted to be blue that has claimed is M0nsterChef, which I attribute to him being backed into a corner and making a bad play. He will probably end up dead tonight anyway. He might be worth trying to save for the night, but I'm also not convinced that he will be checking out the right people. I am still unsure of the best people to suggest blues to try to save tonight so I will probably make that post later.
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