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On April 16 2011 02:37 GGQ wrote: Read his few posts where he's not acting like an idiot. He's not that stupid. Look how he's going out of his way to emphasize that he's blue, that he has a role, etc. I don't believe it for a second. I do simply because of how everyone reacted when I informed the mods of this potential cheating. Obviously, if he was red this would have been serious serious cheating but rather than having anything done about it he simply resigned out of frustration. This is getting a little bit too meta. But I think that this is just newbie slip. If his replacement acts incredibly scummy, I'd reconsider. It's worth a late DT check for confidence. | ||
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You didn't really do much yesterday that I was aware of. You come out today just to criticize me and post thoughts on what blues to do, that hardly warrants medics imo. Yeah I made some bad calls but the flamewheel vs GGQ thing was complex and my plan involving forcing GGQ to use his check would have outed him/coagulation over the course of the night. I still think my analysis on LSB is good and lynching him would have flipped scum. I'm looking over my LSB analysis again and he could very well be assassin. His goal is more focused on hitting Protactinium than it is on saving Coagulation, but he does seem to be in agreeance with GMarshal. When he comes out to attack the pardon he does so very lightly but otherwise ignores GMarshal completely. That sets off a red alarm to me. I admit the kavdragon lynch was a shitty call. Although I don't really think I deserve a lot of criticism for the fact that I didn't hit red it was the fact that I ignored a better case because of my tunneling and that was poor decision making on my part. Regardless, GMarshal the scum pardoner is now dead, I undoubtedly had a role in that. And now hopefully a vig will hit coagulation and an assassin will hit LSB. One of the LSB/ilovejonn camp is certainly an assassin so I really suggest other assassins out there place a hit in that direction. This is the post that made me lean a bit toward black rather than red on LSB: Don't pardon. Let coag die, it will green me and you, and red Flamewheel The goal here is to confirm himself (appeals to GMarshal by saying it'll confirm him too) and get rid of Flamewheel. Entirely possible this is part of a plan to fake a vig on Coagulation to save him, but looking at Coag's recent posts it seems he's pretty much being abandoned. Assassin's you have 3 KP. I'm 50/50 scum/assassin read on this guy. You have a pretty good shot with this and if he flips red and not black, I'm certainly not complaining. Watchers/medics whether you care about the bodyguards or not is up to you but I hope we can all agree on those two points: -An assassin should hit LSB -Coagulation should be vig'd | ||
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On April 16 2011 03:51 Coagulation wrote: So you guys wanna know whos gonna die tonight? you and lsb | ||
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dts should check someone on that list against the coag lynch we are getting close now. | ||
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Assassins probably have a good black read on him by now. It's worth a shot. If he survives the night then we just lynch him. | ||
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On April 16 2011 07:20 chaoser wrote: If they both hit the same target, vigis get their hit back. Might as well stack it cause if assassins hit we lose nothing. If we hit, heyo! Good idea. Yeah vigi's hit LSB then. | ||
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The Case of LSB There are already many many analysis' of OriginalName and why he is scum. I will be focusing on how the scumminess continues as LSB replaced ON. On April 14 2011 04:38 LSB wrote: Night 1 ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/GWc7b.jpg) Click me for larger size! I'm inclined to believe the fourth case, that Flamewheel is SK and realized after loosing the election he has to do something drastic to try to throw off the other SKs. As the same time though, I'd assume that SKs would have DT checked Flamewheel night 1 so it doesn't really matter in the first place. Note SK=Ninja/Assassin as it's easier to write. And because I didn't read the OP carefully enough before I made the picture This is his first immediate attempt to discredit Flamewheel. He also doesn't have a clear understanding of the rules but thats a WIFOM speculation. That's inconclusive information. On April 14 2011 04:49 LSB wrote: Correction! ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/78a7C.jpg) Lynch Flamewheel! It's a win win! The situation we are looking at is probably situation two. Flamewheel is Mafia, Coagulation is Town Why is this believable? Remember, Flamewheel is still alive today. This must mean that the SKs didn't shoot him. After all, the SKs have a large incentive to shoot Flamewheel, if they succeed they get their banhammer back. This is explained by Flamewheel posting that there are three ninjas. Sks didn't believe him so they didn't shoot him. But now why is he making these wild statements? Because he is mafia. Consider Flamewheels options if he really was DT. Day1, he wants to be mayor. Would you claim DT or Assassin? Obviously you'd claim DT. Although it might get you roleblocked, being an Assassin will also get your roleblocked. Day2, if he actually was DT and got a red check, would he publically claim in thread that he was DT? No! If he does so he's going to be hit night 3 and roleblocked. Instead he should just do the standard do lots and lots of analysis on Coagulation. Now think if he is mafia. Day1: How would he run for mayor? He doesn't have the 'name' that Gmarshal and Doc has because he is smurfing and the players here are relativity new. So he puts together a really convoluted claim. Day2: He knows his time is short so he tries his best to cause chaos before he is dead. TLDR: Flamewheel is not playing like a DT and therefore isn't one ##Vote: Flamewheel Here is his case to vote Flamewheel. This is all reliant on pretty bad analysis and a misunderstanding of the rules. When his entire case falls apart on the basis that "SK's can't use powers N1" he continues on. What does this mean? This mean LSB started with a goal or conclusion which is to get Flamewheel killed and looked for information to support it. This is the opposite manner in which town try to do analysis. Town analysis is starting with a hunch or information and coming to a conclusion which in turn becomes a goal. On April 14 2011 04:50 LSB wrote: Oh. That would explain alot if Flamewheel is black. Flamewheel needs to get medic protection any way possible, so he does analysis on someone and tries to find a red. Changing his case instantly without very much elaboration. The goal here is to get Flamewheel killed. He wants to lynch the assassin. This ONLY benefits LSB if LSB is: scum or assassin. On April 14 2011 05:04 LSB wrote: lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis? Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive "Coagulation isn't good so keep him alive and lynch flamewheel. There is no benefit in keeping him alive." Think about that last sentence and how markedly anti-town it is. The goal of this game is not for us to kill people that offer no benefit, it is to kill mafia players. Flamewheel is clearly not blue. We know this because he does not play like a DT. This is true for two reasons. 1) He claimed assassin instead of DT day 1. Either role will be roleblocked as mafia, and as DT he should have tried to stay away from the spotlight, instead of claimming a role that will results in three hits on him night 2 2) He claimed DT day 2 instead of simple analysis to push Coag. There is a reason why DTs don't publically claim day 2. Because the momement a DT claims, they will be roleblocked/night hit until they are dead. This means Flamewheel must be red or black. Lynch him On April 14 2011 05:11 LSB wrote: Uhh... it's like trying to get Doc H to lynch a red, or Bill Murray to show respect, or Jackal to explain his actions. It's not happening. Wtf is up with the analysis on Coagulation anyways? From what I've read Coagulation is red because 1) Going against the campaign of a claimed black 2) Trying to not get someone he believes is green not lynched 3) And being his normal spammy and unhelpful Offers nothing here. Discredits me immediately, insulting the fact that I mislynched on Day 1 (as most mayors and the huge majority of towns do on Day 1 in mafia games), and then proceeds to offer a very very very poor defense of FW's Coag case. He completely disregards the possibility that FW could actually be the DT. Which at this time seems very likely. On April 14 2011 09:11 LSB wrote: Just wondering, why do you think he is blue? Imagine if you were the Detective. Would you claim? No, you would push coagulation's lynch in the background instead of outing yourself. In addition, why do you think Coagulation is red? Look through his other games, Coagulation has been playing consistent. However. I'm going to go with Kitaman27 here. Let Protactinium live, don't protect him, and kill him if he is still alive day 3 Who are you talking about? Sorry I don't keep up with times He changes his position to what it seems the town is doing. On April 14 2011 09:22 LSB wrote: I'll Split Aidnai's analysis of Rean into two portions, the first I agree with, the second I don't. I removed all the fluff. In the future, please remove all the fluff from your Point by Point analysis, I don't want to wade through lots of spam + Show Spoiler + Stuff I don't agree with On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote: yeah right you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person keep trying, you're pretty amusing. One of the quickest and most dismissive responses to protact. Doesn't mean he's scum yet, but in combo with his later acceptance of protact is completely damning. On April 12 2011 07:32 Rean wrote: Placeholder vote on DrH right now, seems to be the best candidate although i'd ask to tone down thew aggresiveness a bit. As for who to lynch: Pandain seems to be a safe bet, his fakeclaim DT is completely retarded and even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him. THIS POST IS IMPORTANT! "even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. On April 11 2011 19:20 Rean wrote: I'm starting to think that the third assasin not Prot or Eiii is laughing his ass off. Both his adversary's have been revealed and with Prot's campaign failing, he has this in the bag, A good thing for town aswell, the quicker these assasins gtfo out of the game the less chance they accidentally kill a townie. not-so-subtley suggesting that eiii is assassin, which I think was unfounded (but maybe not it's not important to my case). On April 12 2011 08:15 Rean wrote: Meapak says it's okay to pm the host: [01:14] <+Meapak> FUCK [01:14] <+Meapak> redff [01:14] <+Meapak> dude [01:14] <+Meapak> I'm at 1499 posts [01:14] <+Meapak> I can't post  [01:14] <+GGQ> i keep accidentally missing my milestone posts [01:14] <+Meapak> just tell him that he can PM the hosts Apparently he's in irc with GGQ zzz... On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote: I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it. Is it working? Responds to a legitimate point by blowing it off and trolling. 1) His response time shows he's actively reading this thread (responded within 10 minutes) 2) His thread presence in Insane 2 shows his 'normal' activity level 3) His thread presence in this game shows??? and yet all he does for the next several posts is claim mafia -_- Why would a mafia do this? well, the main reason I think would be to be able to ask 'why would a mafia do this?' while at the same time COMPLETELY DODGING THE QUESTION. This game is definitely not boring, there's no excuse for his activity level. Still I don't see it as being too damming. They are just little things, like lynching for information, throwing out FOS. Trying to get people to protect FW doesn't mean that he's necessarily scum. Of course, if FW flips red Rean is going to be in hot water, but Rean's support for FW is based on the fact that FW is a vet. I have a neutral read on Rean, however I'd rather lynch Rean over Coagulation. Defends Rean. Doesn't go out of his way to seem like he's really defending "I have a neutral read" he says. Why go through the effort of dissecting a PBP for a neutral read? Indirect defense of Coagulation here. On April 14 2011 10:47 LSB wrote: Can we lynch Flamewheel now? What happened to letting him live? On April 15 2011 06:58 LSB wrote: Cause Coag is a vet, and I'd rather lynch a Assassin over a vet. Assuredness here. Coag IS a vet. That's scum confidence I'll just leave it at that to avoid a tl;dr situation. Vig hit LSB tonight. | ||
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On April 16 2011 08:05 chaoser wrote: ![[image loading]](http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/7276979/I-WAS-FOSING-LSB-WAY-BEFORE-D-HELVETICA-THOUGHT-IT-WAS-COOL-TO-DO-SO.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Hipster-Ariel) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204956¤tpage=112#2224 FoS is too mainstream for me sorry | ||
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On April 16 2011 08:26 Rean wrote: can someone point me out to where we started believing flamewheel to be the dt? people keep saying it but he even claimed coag to be red when he was the godfather Oh, I just forgot that detail when I said that. no need to medic FW in that case. | ||
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If scum think they can split the town between GMarshal's plan and LSB's plan they save Coag either way and none of them die. | ||
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On April 16 2011 09:41 Rean wrote: I know that, i'm trying to convince our vigilantes (if we even have any left after Pandain's shenanigans) that LSB should be left to die to our assassins. There's other scum to be killed like aidnai or Lemonwalrus. If the assassins hit LSB/and vigi's do too they vigi's get their hit back. It's really just insurance. I think DT"s should check aidnai/LW. | ||
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That was a really dirty cheat by Serejai. Was that a modkill? Congratulations eii! | ||
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On April 16 2011 14:28 urashimakt wrote: KP didn't go down tonight. They had 6 people tonight, divide by 2 and round up is 3 KP. Now they have 5 people. Divide by 2 and round up = 3 KP. Oh, that's correct. Derp. I'm so out of it. | ||
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On April 16 2011 14:32 Mig wrote: Wait what sense does it make that barundar was roleblocked again? If we assume they only have 1 roleblock since only 1 person claimed night one why would they not use it on m0nster who claimed tracker? There was no counterclaim. Risky for mafia to do that when the real person they roleblocked can just say "hey thats bs" Although choosing not to use roleblock N1 for that kind of play could be strong. But considering it seems they had decent blue snipes that night I don't think they would have withheld it for something like that. But hey i've been wrong about everything in this game so far except gmarshal and coag | ||
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On April 16 2011 14:41 ilovejonn wrote: I called Serejai being scum didn't I? Nooooo he's new. = = He cheated and he did it in a thread I made. The fact that he wasn't modkilled is the problem but that can wait for a postgame discussion. | ||
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On April 16 2011 15:42 chaoser wrote: Can we please get a mod kill on Milkyst? He has posted a grand total of once and didn't even vote Day 2 ^----only post this entire game apparently modkills are a non-factor in this game for cheating or not following the rules | ||
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