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Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
April 15 2011 00:36 GMT
#2421
Stop saying 'our', you aren't town.
TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
April 15 2011 00:38 GMT
#2422
On April 15 2011 09:28 Rean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 09:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On April 15 2011 09:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote:
If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT


This is true

That's a good point.

In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save.

also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT.

If you're scum that only makes sense if you're busing him which is still a scum lynch for us.

If you're DT it makes perfect sense.

IF you're assassin it would have been easier to admit your lie and try a different bid for medic protection.

Voting for Coagulation is the sensible thing to do. If you're wrong you're dead in the night anyway.


If coag is GF he would've shown up as Veteran to the DT check, like Trance just pointed out.

Yeah, i just realized this. Good call by TranceStorm.


Except TranceStorm didn't even fucking read the first 4 words. "IF I'M NOT DT".

Hmm. I guess that takes away from the validity of my points, but I still don't trust that Proact is the actual DT since there have been slip-ups.

I have to go right now, so I'm going to vote for Coagulation. The arguments made against him were at the very least stronger than the ones made about LSB. LSB has been suspicious, but I suppose that we can clear him up with the incoming DT checks. Furthermore, I'm also heavily suspicious of Coag from his slip-ups in his claims earlier when he claimed vig and then vet (could have been a typo, but it tips the scales in his favor for me).
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 15 2011 00:38 GMT
#2423
Don't worry about it, this is the same guy who said I was going to pardon coag, remember?

At this point he is trying to execute the classic defense of "spew bullshit, pray a newbie medic buys it and protects me!"
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 15 2011 00:40 GMT
#2424
On April 15 2011 09:35 Protactinium wrote:Hold on. Watch GMarshal grudgingly vote Coagulation all the while complaining about the lynch. Take note of this. This is our Day 3 lynch target.

If Coag flips red I'll bring the rope. Hopefully you won't be around to make me feel like a chump.
Life can only kill you once.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
April 15 2011 00:40 GMT
#2425
On April 15 2011 09:32 Rean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 09:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On April 15 2011 09:28 Rean wrote:
On April 15 2011 09:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On April 15 2011 09:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote:
If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT


This is true

That's a good point.

In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save.

also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT.

If you're scum that only makes sense if you're busing him which is still a scum lynch for us.

If you're DT it makes perfect sense.

IF you're assassin it would have been easier to admit your lie and try a different bid for medic protection.

Voting for Coagulation is the sensible thing to do. If you're wrong you're dead in the night anyway.


If coag is GF he would've shown up as Veteran to the DT check, like Trance just pointed out.

Yeah, i just realized this. Good call by TranceStorm.


Except TranceStorm didn't even fucking read the first 4 words. "IF I'M NOT DT".


And so did Dr. H, or else why would he call protac a DT. I'm just saying that protac is Black, there's no if about it.


and another quality post by Mr.Wiggles once again doing nothing except stating the obvious.


Dr. H was mistakenly concluding that protac was the detective. Before he started trying to use that information to make decisions, I corrected him.

You seem like you're getting pretty desperate about something.
you gotta dance
MetalFace
Profile Joined September 2010
United States75 Posts
April 15 2011 00:41 GMT
#2426
On April 15 2011 06:37 kitaman27 wrote:
So I finally had a chance to read through all coag's posts. As its been stated, scum hunting was nearly non-existent. Nearly everything was either related to why assassins are bad or why kav shouldn't be lynched. I would like to hear some analysis from him if he hopes to survive the day. Even if prot is a liar, I'm not convinced he is clean.

I want to bring up MetalFace again. Besides Red, the initial argument was largely ignored.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 14 2011 12:01 kitaman27 wrote:
Another person I think we should look at:

MetalFace

I played with this guy as scum and he was a horrible, horrible lurker.

Here are some gems so far:

On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:
Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who.


On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:
Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count.


On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:
Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is.


From his previous game, I think this post speaks a lot to his approach as scum.

On October 22 2010 23:08 MetalFace wrote:
This is my first time playing and I didn't want to screw myself over by saying something dumb


Here are some follow-up posts.

Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 12:49 MetalFace wrote:
Anywho, I think Prot is full of crap. Someone else mentioned it but I think it's true that he is actually just an assassin who is upset he didn't get immunity from becoming mayor, so now he needs a new lie to keep himself alive. I think Lynch All Liars should be applied here and we should just out him now, but apparently other people think differently. There's a lot of pointless arguing right now. Just kill Prot.


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On April 14 2011 13:11 MetalFace wrote:
Prot lied. He either lied about being an assassin or lied about being a DT. I think it's the best policy of the town to lynch anyone who lies. This benefits the town because only townies can tell the truth the entire game.

As for who I think we should lynch otherwise, I'd say Rean. aidnai did a pretty nice analysis a while back. I think our next target though should have more to do with the results of Prot's flip and what happens at night. If Prot flips DT, then Coag will have a big sign over his head. If not, then we take a better look at anyone who supports Prot's lying ways.



Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 12:15 MetalFace wrote:
On April 11 2011 11:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Posts like the ones MetalHead just made are pretty scummy imo, you have to look past the "wordswordswordswordswords" and think about what the direction of their post is. His post had no direction other than to appear contributive. That's not good.


My direction was the implication that people who attacked Protactinium's campaign have scummy motives.


Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 13:11 MetalFace wrote:
If Prot flips DT, then Coag will have a big sign over his head. If not, then we take a better look at anyone who supports Prot's lying ways.



He contradicts himself, based on what the popular opinion holds. First, when many people were on board with supporting Prot, he calls his attackers scummy. Now that Prot has been outed, he calls his supporters scummy. In addition, when asked to bring up some lynch candidates, he takes the easy way out by pushing LAL on prot and mentioning Rean, who has already been analyzed by several people. I'm putting my vote on him for the moment.



Nice work putting my quotes out of chronological order :D
I was with Prot when he claimed assassin, and in retrospect would probably make the same decision. Once he confirmed he was lying about anything, I decided lynching him is the best option. I still stand by the Lynch All Liars mantra. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he is a major target tonight. I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but I'll let you know who I'm voting for in a little while.
Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
April 15 2011 00:42 GMT
#2427
I guess that takes away from the validity of my points, but I still don't trust that Proact is the actual DT since there have been slip-ups.


Seriously, its getting really obnoxious. Stop trying to keep discredit me. Its not working, get it? Even Mr. scum pardoner was forced to agree with me and vote his scumbuddy.
And so, we find the Sublime.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 15 2011 00:44 GMT
#2428
On April 15 2011 09:42 Protactinium wrote:
Seriously, its getting really obnoxious. Stop trying to keep discredit me. Its not working, get it? Even Mr. scum pardoner was forced to agree with me and vote his scumbuddy.

We don't have to. You did that.
Man why didn't you just play as Flamewheel and run for mayor without theatrics. You would have had my vote.
Life can only kill you once.
Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
April 15 2011 00:45 GMT
#2429
You guys seem to not be making the distinction for when I am talking in the hypothetical and when I am not. Please read it over carefully if you still don't get it.
And so, we find the Sublime.
Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
April 15 2011 00:47 GMT
#2430
On April 15 2011 09:44 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 09:42 Protactinium wrote:
Seriously, its getting really obnoxious. Stop trying to keep discredit me. Its not working, get it? Even Mr. scum pardoner was forced to agree with me and vote his scumbuddy.

We don't have to. You did that.
Man why didn't you just play as Flamewheel and run for mayor without theatrics. You would have had my vote.


Again, people keep missing the point. Why be boring and run for mayor normally when you can draw out all the mafia? Look. Everyone is making the false assumption that I was trying to win the mayor election at all costs. That is not true. I am trying to win this game. And even if that means taking the risk of losing the mayor election, look how far its gotten me? This game will be decided once Coagulation flips red.
And so, we find the Sublime.
MetalFace
Profile Joined September 2010
United States75 Posts
April 15 2011 00:48 GMT
#2431
OK, I still think lynching Prot is our best bet.

##Vote Protactinium
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 15 2011 00:50 GMT
#2432
On April 15 2011 09:45 Protactinium wrote:
You guys seem to not be making the distinction for when I am talking in the hypothetical and when I am not. Please read it over carefully if you still don't get it.

I get it. I really do. You want Coag lynched. It looks like you are going to get your wish. I just don't believe you. I think you are the one that doesn't get it.
You lied. Period. It doesn't matter if you are assassin, dt or fucking santa claus.
You lied. And it appears I'm not the only one that has a problem with that.
Life can only kill you once.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
April 15 2011 00:52 GMT
#2433
Yo bumatlarge, you were posting a whole lot, like a really lot before. Now you're really quiet. Is it because you had a whole day's worth of posts to catch up on? Or is it because coagulation is the main lynch target and you're ok with that? What's up?
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 15 2011 00:53 GMT
#2434
Summary of the reasons why people are being pushed to lynch.
Flamewheel Lied about being DT. Is obviously ainitown
Coagulation Flamewheel said he is DT and check coagulation who turned up red
LSB Defends coagulation. Coagulation was checked by Flamewheel and is red. Therefore LSB is red.

All I can say is wow
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 15 2011 00:55 GMT
#2435
On April 15 2011 09:53 LSB wrote:
Summary of the reasons why people are being pushed to lynch.
Flamewheel Lied about being DT. Is obviously ainitown
Coagulation Flamewheel said he is DT and check coagulation who turned up red
LSB Defends coagulation. Coagulation was checked by Flamewheel and is red. Therefore LSB is red.

All I can say is wow


You argue with them, I'm tired of fighting against a know liar and the town just flatly ignoring me, and/or siding with the assassin.



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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
April 15 2011 00:59 GMT
#2436
On April 15 2011 09:53 LSB wrote:
Summary of the reasons why people are being pushed to lynch.
Flamewheel Lied about being DT. Is obviously ainitown
Coagulation Flamewheel said he is DT and check coagulation who turned up red
LSB Defends coagulation. Coagulation was checked by Flamewheel and is red. Therefore LSB is red.

All I can say is wow


I don't care whether or not you defended Coag, but you're pushing a plan that is blatantly anti-town. Lynching Protac is not the way to go about this. He's probably getting shot a whole lot tonight, we shouldn't use the lynch. That's why I'm voting you.
you gotta dance
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
April 15 2011 00:59 GMT
#2437
Sorry, I'll go with my gut and vote coag.

Coag, this is not about you, it's about no mafia/assasin would claim a DT just to survive a night imo.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 15 2011 00:59 GMT
#2438
On April 15 2011 09:47 Protactinium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 09:44 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 15 2011 09:42 Protactinium wrote:
Seriously, its getting really obnoxious. Stop trying to keep discredit me. Its not working, get it? Even Mr. scum pardoner was forced to agree with me and vote his scumbuddy.

We don't have to. You did that.
Man why didn't you just play as Flamewheel and run for mayor without theatrics. You would have had my vote.


Again, people keep missing the point. Why be boring and run for mayor normally when you can draw out all the mafia? Look. Everyone is making the false assumption that I was trying to win the mayor election at all costs. That is not true. I am trying to win this game. And even if that means taking the risk of losing the mayor election, look how far its gotten me? This game will be decided once Coagulation flips red.

Do me a favor then. Present me with a list of your top 5 scum suspects sans Coag and GMarshall. Who have you outed with this gambit? If you are playing to "win" do it. I highly doubt you'll survive the night. So it's not like you are giving away any life or death information.
I have no problems with running gambits. I enjoy doing it. And I know I'm going to piss people off in the process. But I don't do them knowing the final outcome is going to be me dying. If your gambit was to out all the mafia tell me who you outed.
Life can only kill you once.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
April 15 2011 01:01 GMT
#2439
On April 15 2011 09:59 CubEdIn wrote:
Sorry, I'll go with my gut and vote coag.

Coag, this is not about you, it's about no mafia/assasin would claim a DT just to survive a night imo.


Cubed hes not a DT im telling you this honest hes the assassin.
Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
April 15 2011 01:01 GMT
#2440
On April 15 2011 09:55 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 09:53 LSB wrote:
Summary of the reasons why people are being pushed to lynch.
Flamewheel Lied about being DT. Is obviously ainitown
Coagulation Flamewheel said he is DT and check coagulation who turned up red
LSB Defends coagulation. Coagulation was checked by Flamewheel and is red. Therefore LSB is red.

All I can say is wow


You argue with them, I'm tired of fighting against a know liar and the town just flatly ignoring me, and/or siding with the assassin.




You know its pro-town to ignore the arguments of mafia peoples, right? Good job town, keep at it.
And so, we find the Sublime.
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