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On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true
That's a good point.
In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save.
also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT.
If you're scum that only makes sense if you're busing him which is still a scum lynch for us.
If you're DT it makes perfect sense.
IF you're assassin it would have been easier to admit your lie and try a different bid for medic protection.
Voting for Coagulation is the sensible thing to do. If you're wrong you're dead in the night anyway.
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On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote:If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true That's a good point. In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save. also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT. If you're scum that only makes sense if you're busing him which is still a scum lynch for us. If you're DT it makes perfect sense. IF you're assassin it would have been easier to admit your lie and try a different bid for medic protection. Voting for Coagulation is the sensible thing to do. If you're wrong you're dead in the night anyway.
If coag is GF he would've shown up as Veteran to the DT check, like Trance just pointed out.
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LSB is anti-town. I think he's a sure Red.
GMarshal, I'm 50-50 on.
I'm starting to think Rean is Red.
Coag might be red, I'd like to see a check/vig.
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Either way, I'm ok with a LSB or Coag lynch
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On April 15 2011 09:16 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:14 Jackal58 wrote:On April 15 2011 09:08 Protactinium wrote:
Please read my post. You're just ignoring logic and are building cases off of false assumptions. This is too fucking funny to pass up. You didn't read my post! If you don't want to read any of the rest, at least read that one. You'll agree that it makes sense.
I did. I read it in it's entirety. I'm sorry. Call it what ever you want but I cannot read anything you say and go along with it. I won't go along with it. I feel like I'm compromising myself if I play your game. I won't do it.
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On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote:If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true That's a good point. In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save. also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT.
but if coag were the gf then how would protac know?
Are we ignoring the blatant contradctions now?
He is a proven liar, he either think coag is black or is praying he guessed right and is a goon to "prove" his claim.
But fine, you guys want to be stupid, then I'm not going to stop you.
Also Dr.H you thinking I'm town doesn't clear you from answering my analysis even if its "bad" I expect a response tomorrow ^_^
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##Vote: Coagulation
If coag flips anything other than "mafia goon" protac, you are toast, so pray to whichever gods you worship.
Why people are still listening to a proven liar who is 100% an assassin, I will never understand.
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On April 15 2011 09:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
LSB is anti-town. I think he's a sure Red.
GMarshal, I'm 50-50 on.
I'm starting to think Rean is Red.
Coag might be red, I'd like to see a check/vig.
I'd rather have a Coag lynch, LSB check/vigi. There's so much defense over coag himself where they're merely arguing against Prot's alignment and not the actual analysis. There's throwaway lines like "he's always spammy, this is how he is" etc. when really, yeah he's spammy, but it's a focused targetted spam. He'd be on someone's ass hardcore. But he hasn't this game. I haven't felt the need to be like god damnit coag, chill the fuck out that I usually do. He's playing different. Pretty sure at this point we all know prot is black and he's going to get shot to shit. Doesn't mean the theory of Coag being GF any less true. It lines up with why people are coming out in FORCE to save him.
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On April 15 2011 09:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote:If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true That's a good point. In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save. also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT. If you're scum that only makes sense if you're busing him which is still a scum lynch for us. If you're DT it makes perfect sense. IF you're assassin it would have been easier to admit your lie and try a different bid for medic protection. Voting for Coagulation is the sensible thing to do. If you're wrong you're dead in the night anyway. If coag is GF he would've shown up as Veteran to the DT check, like Trance just pointed out.
Yeah, i just realized this. Good call by TranceStorm.
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On April 15 2011 09:23 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
LSB is anti-town. I think he's a sure Red.
GMarshal, I'm 50-50 on.
I'm starting to think Rean is Red.
Coag might be red, I'd like to see a check/vig. I'd rather have a Coag lynch, LSB check/vigi. There's so much defense over coag himself where they're merely arguing against Prot's alignment and not the actual analysis. There's throwaway lines like "he's always spammy, this is how he is" etc. when really, yeah he's spammy, but it's a focused targetted spam. He'd be on someone's ass hardcore. But he hasn't this game. I haven't felt the need to be like god damnit coag, chill the fuck out that I usually do. He's playing different. Pretty sure at this point we all know prot is black and he's going to get shot to shit. Doesn't mean the theory of Coag being GF any less true. It lines up with why people are coming out in FORCE to save him.
Sure, we can flip that.
GMarshal, do you commit to using a DT check on LSB on Night 2?
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Also Dr.H you thinking I'm town doesn't clear you from answering my analysis even if its "bad" I expect a response tomorrow ^_^
See? Scum like to make these kind of ultimatums. You think that making these cute statements gives you the upper hand, don't you. Its so glaringly obvious that DH is town. If you really believe that he is mafia, then you shouldn't call yourself a good analyst. Also, where's that "analysis" you've been promising, huh?? Why should he respond to bad analysis? That just clutters up the thread. When you make a bad analysis, you don't have the right to force people to spread your bad ideas through the thread. Thats what mafia like to do. Cause confusion, and spam irrelevant ideas throughout the thread to disrupt the town agenda.
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On April 15 2011 09:23 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote:If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true That's a good point. In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save. also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT. but if coag were the gf then how would protac know? Are we ignoring the blatant contradctions now? He is a proven liar, he either think coag is black or is praying he guessed right and is a goon to "prove" his claim. But fine, you guys want to be stupid, then I'm not going to stop you. Also Dr.H you thinking I'm town doesn't clear you from answering my analysis even if its "bad" I expect a response tomorrow ^_^
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##Vote: CoagulationIf coag flips anything other than "mafia goon" protac, you are toast, so pray to whichever gods you worship. Why people are still listening to a proven liar who is 100% an assassin, I will never understand.
Arguing one thing and voting the other?
"But fine, you guys want to be stupid, then I'm not going to stop you."
Wasn't one of your campaign promises that you wouldn't do this?
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On April 15 2011 09:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote:If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true That's a good point. In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save. also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT. If you're scum that only makes sense if you're busing him which is still a scum lynch for us. If you're DT it makes perfect sense. IF you're assassin it would have been easier to admit your lie and try a different bid for medic protection. Voting for Coagulation is the sensible thing to do. If you're wrong you're dead in the night anyway. If coag is GF he would've shown up as Veteran to the DT check, like Trance just pointed out. Yeah, i just realized this. Good call by TranceStorm.
Except TranceStorm didn't even fucking read the first 4 words. "IF I'M NOT DT".
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On April 15 2011 09:23 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
LSB is anti-town. I think he's a sure Red.
GMarshal, I'm 50-50 on.
I'm starting to think Rean is Red.
Coag might be red, I'd like to see a check/vig. I'd rather have a Coag lynch, LSB check/vigi. There's so much defense over coag himself where they're merely arguing against Prot's alignment and not the actual analysis. There's throwaway lines like "he's always spammy, this is how he is" etc. when really, yeah he's spammy, but it's a focused targetted spam. He'd be on someone's ass hardcore. But he hasn't this game. I haven't felt the need to be like god damnit coag, chill the fuck out that I usually do. He's playing different. Pretty sure at this point we all know prot is black and he's going to get shot to shit. Doesn't mean the theory of Coag being GF any less true. It lines up with why people are coming out in FORCE to save him.
Sure, it doesn't make much difference to me. The thing though, is, Coag has claimed vet, so a shot on him if there's an actual vig won't kill him, or will kill him if he's mafia. LSB hasn't claimed anything, and I doubt there'd be a third vet, so any shot on him is going to kill him. If he's town/blue, we lose an asset, if he's red no problem. DT checks are unreliable, because I don't necessarily trust that GM is a detective, and I wouldn't want another "DT" to claim, also not considering that LSB may be the GF.
So:
Coag:
If town:
Shot tonight and he'll live
If Mafia:
Shot tonight, he'll die
LSB:
If town:
Shot tonight and he'll die
If Mafia:
Shot tonight, he'll die
Is how it boils down for me. It depends if we can rely on a vigi also, though. Like I said, I wouldn't rely on "DT" checks.
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On April 15 2011 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:23 chaoser wrote:On April 15 2011 09:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
LSB is anti-town. I think he's a sure Red.
GMarshal, I'm 50-50 on.
I'm starting to think Rean is Red.
Coag might be red, I'd like to see a check/vig. I'd rather have a Coag lynch, LSB check/vigi. There's so much defense over coag himself where they're merely arguing against Prot's alignment and not the actual analysis. There's throwaway lines like "he's always spammy, this is how he is" etc. when really, yeah he's spammy, but it's a focused targetted spam. He'd be on someone's ass hardcore. But he hasn't this game. I haven't felt the need to be like god damnit coag, chill the fuck out that I usually do. He's playing different. Pretty sure at this point we all know prot is black and he's going to get shot to shit. Doesn't mean the theory of Coag being GF any less true. It lines up with why people are coming out in FORCE to save him. Sure, we can flip that. GMarshal, do you commit to using a DT check on LSB on Night 2?
I think that would give the mafia extra incentive to hit LSB if he is town, and otherwise makes it so that medics have to stack on him just in case. I'd rather remain autonomous, but if the town insists that that that is what they want, then I am happy to comply.
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On April 15 2011 09:29 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 09:23 chaoser wrote:On April 15 2011 09:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
LSB is anti-town. I think he's a sure Red.
GMarshal, I'm 50-50 on.
I'm starting to think Rean is Red.
Coag might be red, I'd like to see a check/vig. I'd rather have a Coag lynch, LSB check/vigi. There's so much defense over coag himself where they're merely arguing against Prot's alignment and not the actual analysis. There's throwaway lines like "he's always spammy, this is how he is" etc. when really, yeah he's spammy, but it's a focused targetted spam. He'd be on someone's ass hardcore. But he hasn't this game. I haven't felt the need to be like god damnit coag, chill the fuck out that I usually do. He's playing different. Pretty sure at this point we all know prot is black and he's going to get shot to shit. Doesn't mean the theory of Coag being GF any less true. It lines up with why people are coming out in FORCE to save him. Sure, we can flip that. GMarshal, do you commit to using a DT check on LSB on Night 2? I think that would give the mafia extra incentive to hit LSB if he is town, and otherwise makes it so that medics have to stack on him just in case. I'd rather remain autonomous, but if the town insists that that that is what they want, then I am happy to comply.
Then comply. How does that give mafia extra incentive to hit LSB? If he's town they want to hit him anyway cause he's experienced.
You are an invincible DT don't weasel your way out of this.
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On April 15 2011 09:28 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 09:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote:If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true That's a good point. In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save. also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT. If you're scum that only makes sense if you're busing him which is still a scum lynch for us. If you're DT it makes perfect sense. IF you're assassin it would have been easier to admit your lie and try a different bid for medic protection. Voting for Coagulation is the sensible thing to do. If you're wrong you're dead in the night anyway. If coag is GF he would've shown up as Veteran to the DT check, like Trance just pointed out. Yeah, i just realized this. Good call by TranceStorm. Except TranceStorm didn't even fucking read the first 4 words. "IF I'M NOT DT".
And so did Dr. H, or else why would he call protac a DT. I'm just saying that protac is Black, there's no if about it.
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On April 15 2011 09:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:29 GMarshal wrote:On April 15 2011 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 09:23 chaoser wrote:On April 15 2011 09:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
LSB is anti-town. I think he's a sure Red.
GMarshal, I'm 50-50 on.
I'm starting to think Rean is Red.
Coag might be red, I'd like to see a check/vig. I'd rather have a Coag lynch, LSB check/vigi. There's so much defense over coag himself where they're merely arguing against Prot's alignment and not the actual analysis. There's throwaway lines like "he's always spammy, this is how he is" etc. when really, yeah he's spammy, but it's a focused targetted spam. He'd be on someone's ass hardcore. But he hasn't this game. I haven't felt the need to be like god damnit coag, chill the fuck out that I usually do. He's playing different. Pretty sure at this point we all know prot is black and he's going to get shot to shit. Doesn't mean the theory of Coag being GF any less true. It lines up with why people are coming out in FORCE to save him. Sure, we can flip that. GMarshal, do you commit to using a DT check on LSB on Night 2? I think that would give the mafia extra incentive to hit LSB if he is town, and otherwise makes it so that medics have to stack on him just in case. I'd rather remain autonomous, but if the town insists that that that is what they want, then I am happy to comply. Then comply. How does that give mafia extra incentive to hit LSB? If he's town they want to hit him anyway cause he's experienced. You are an invincible DT don't weasel your way out of this.
I'll do it ^_^
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On April 15 2011 09:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:28 Rean wrote:On April 15 2011 09:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 09:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote:If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true That's a good point. In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save. also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT. If you're scum that only makes sense if you're busing him which is still a scum lynch for us. If you're DT it makes perfect sense. IF you're assassin it would have been easier to admit your lie and try a different bid for medic protection. Voting for Coagulation is the sensible thing to do. If you're wrong you're dead in the night anyway. If coag is GF he would've shown up as Veteran to the DT check, like Trance just pointed out. Yeah, i just realized this. Good call by TranceStorm. Except TranceStorm didn't even fucking read the first 4 words. "IF I'M NOT DT". And so did Dr. H, or else why would he call protac a DT. I'm just saying that protac is Black, there's no if about it.
and another quality post by Mr.Wiggles once again doing nothing except stating the obvious.
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On April 15 2011 09:23 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote:If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true That's a good point. In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save. also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT. but if coag were the gf then how would protac know? Are we ignoring the blatant contradctions now? He is a proven liar, he either think coag is black or is praying he guessed right and is a goon to "prove" his claim. But fine, you guys want to be stupid, then I'm not going to stop you. Also Dr.H you thinking I'm town doesn't clear you from answering my analysis even if its "bad" I expect a response tomorrow ^_^
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##Vote: CoagulationIf coag flips anything other than "mafia goon" protac, you are toast, so pray to whichever gods you worship. Why people are still listening to a proven liar who is 100% an assassin, I will never understand.
Hold on. Watch GMarshal grudgingly vote Coagulation all the while complaining about the lynch. Take note of this. This is our Day 3 lynch target.
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