EPTif you are even still letting people in?
It is my first time, but I promise to read the rules thoroughly after class today and come prepared.
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if you are even still letting people in? It is my first time, but I promise to read the rules thoroughly after class today and come prepared. | ||
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Joined TL.net Monday, 10th of May 2010 Lemonwalrus: Joined TL.net Thursday, 24th of August 2006 :| and why the hell does everyone capitalize the w in my name? feiafiejifeajihugrahil | ||
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Why aren't you playing in this one? | ||
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On March 24 2011 04:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'd just like to point out that I have the highest number in GM's plan, this makes me better than everyone and you all need to recognize that. Meapak_Ziphh 94000 ... ilovejonn 99119 | ||
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On March 24 2011 07:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Yes, yes they will, as well as monocles, but they will not smoke or drink. ![[image loading]](http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/cat-top-hat-monocle-exquisite-12966703446.jpg) | ||
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On March 24 2011 11:37 Jackal58 wrote: It's all sitting there in black and white. Actually it is black and baby-blue. This is tl. | ||
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On March 24 2011 11:40 GMarshal wrote: A wonderful contribution, so what do you think of the current candidates lemon? Are any of them worth voting for? Well, I think that the 'vote or no vote for day 1 lynch' platform is a moot point. Someone running with a day 1 vote could easily be mafia, since mafia would have a good shot at tipping the vote, especially now when there is no real suspicion on anyone. Then again they could easily be not mafia and just want to use the vote as a way to win the popular vote to make a vote for them seem like a vote for fairness. Similarly, someone running no day 1 vote could easily be mafia since, obviously getting a free kill day 1 is good for mafia. But they could easily be not mafia and just trust their own mafia sniffing capabilities better than that of the town in the case of a vote. So basically, as of right now, I have not seen any compelling reasons to vote for anyone, I'm gonna wait to see how the debates continue and vote for whoever I think has the strongest ideas for further down the road. Idk, this is my first game though, so maybe I'm thinking too hard about it. | ||
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On March 24 2011 12:10 Coagulation wrote: you can ask around i am pretty damn good at getting 100% town reads day 1 and banking big money on it and coming out on top. Well, with 6/30 a monkey throwing darts would be pretty good at getting town reads day 1. | ||
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As far as the bum/not bum vote, I think bum is the best bet for the town for reasons that have already been discussed at length. (the biggest one for me being that I think if he wasn't blue by now one of the real blues would have surely counter-claimed) (If you are a blue and therefore know that bum isn't, please, there is no reason for you not to counter claim) So unless someone gives one hell of a compelling reason for me not to I intend to vote bum. As far as the irc channels goes, well, gather round fellas, because I may be new to mafia, but I am an old hand at irc. I think having an irc for this is a very bad idea. Basically, it is just a more fast paced version of the forum which, on the one hand i know we all think 'well that is good it gives the scum more of a chance to fuck up and reveal themselves when they are under the gun' but the thing is, everyone will fuck up sooner or later. I'm sure if we do an irc channel literally everyone that participates will, sooner or later, say something that convinces someone that they are scum. That is what happens when you are able to share information without thinking hard about it first. (for instance, look at my signature...do you think any of those guys (besides aesop) would have said those things if they had had time to re-read it before clicking a post button?) Also, I see a major component of the irc channel debate will be 'x isn't active in irc, he must be scum' or 'x is too active in irc, he must be scum' basically wifom madness imo, since with imperfect data either choice will put suspicion on a player and, since town outnumbers scum, more suspicion floating around should benefit scum. So I vote no on irc and yes on bum, and the above are my reasons. | ||
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 (((((Also I hadn't even thought of the impersonating people on irc thing that GMarshal brought up in his post. That is yet another convolution that irc will bring to the process. (although if we caught someone impersonating it would make it pretty obvious they were scum...so a potential for reward if a scum were to be so bold as to impersonate someone) I think the real problem with the irc is that there is such a thing as too much information when you are trying to make a decision. If we have pages and pages of posts and pages and pages of irc logs to go by, 2 sides could make bulletproof arguments for one person being scum/not scum, and it could be almost impossible to tell who was right with any sort of objectivity. Also....picking through irc logs sounds really tedious. I know that has no importance in the function of the game, but I just feel it will be less fun with a mountain of irc logs...and I kinda want to have fun. | ||
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Basically, the last 10 pages of this thread could be replaced with an image of a kitten playing with a ball of yarn and it would be just as helpful to the town. | ||
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However to those of you that have a problem with me sneaking one-liners/references to kittens into my posts...I'm sorry, that is just how I do things. | ||
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On March 26 2011 06:19 bumatlarge wrote: The lynch candidates as of now: annul orgolove lemonwalrus iGrok deconduo I noticed this and that you provided some reasons for most of the other guys but no reasoning behind me being on the list. (Should I assume you are just using the reasons that tntked brought up?) As it is difficult for me to fight against invisible foes, could you please update with some of your reasoning behind your suspicions of me so that I can try to put your fears to rest? I get that you said you were going to work so I don't expect you to respond quickly but I'm just making a bunch of posts right now and want to get this one out of the way. | ||
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On March 25 2011 23:32 tnkted wrote: We could also put some pressure on lemonwalrus. As a matter of fact, lets analyze lemonwalrus. He's a noobie. A green noobie (such as myself) would be excited about the game, and would be posting a lot. A blue noobie would sit back and lurk. We know he isn't a blue noobie because there aren't any in the item game. Therefore... Well this was an astounding contribution. Actually, GM called him out on it: Waffling. He doesn't have an opinion. To give him credit, this is early in the game, but still he hasn't contributed anything. If he was really a noobie townie he'd be falling over himself trying to contribute something. But he doesn't, and whats more, his reasons for not contributing are very telling: he claims hes a noobie! Why is he using his noobiness to explain why he isn't contributing?! A true green noobie would be trying to contribute his ass off (like I am right now) instead of coming into the thread, posting unhelpful bullshit like this. Also notice how one small paragraph in that 'significant post' as chaoser calls it immediately below is actually related to the topic at hand (bum), and the rest of it is devoted to an entirely tangential vote on the IRC channel. I'd say, purely line for line, only a forth of this post is actually analysis, and its analysis that had been done by six other players by the time he posted it. Then, when he gets called out for waffling, he posts this. IRC IRC IRC. No discussion on bum, no discussion on kav. He has no thoughts other than IRC (which a noobie mafia would obviously not want) and a rehashing of a rehashing of bums position. And this is his last significant post in this topic! his final post says something like, "I decided not to post until roles were given out. The last ten pages in this topic could have been replaced with a kitten playing with yarn." I wasn't convinced he was mafia before I started this post but I am now. BURN THE WALRUS  Ok, so I know some other people have addressed this and you pulled back a bit on the next page but I still want to address this myself since I'm getting a "FUCKING POST MORE GODDAMNIT" vibe from the thread, and I think I can help shed some light on this. First of all, as someone (I think it was Jackal) said, just because I don't play like you play doesn't make me auto-scum. I'll admit that this was daunting at first, but I think I've officially gotten the hang of this game, and you should see my post count shoot up from here on out. (although I still will be afk for hours at a time because god damnit guys I'm a college student seriously I have other things I need to do sometimes holy fuck get off my back) Yes, I talked about irc, and yes, scum would be against irc, but I think (for the reasons that I laid out in my post) that it was also bad for town. Don't ignore the things that I said and then say "He only talked about x" as if that is a reason for me to be scum. But the irc thing is an entirely dead subject at this point so I don't want to harp on it as that will just derail. As for the one liners, please, I beg you guys that are focused on those, go back and look at when I made them. You see all the super useful posts surrounding them? Oh wait you don't? Well that is because nothing of any importance was happening at the time i made them, just people making snap judgements on others as scum before there was anywhere near enough information to make those claims, some of my one liners were before the game even started. Ok, so enough of me feeling like my back is against the wall, I've defended myself as much as I feel I need to until I know bum's reasons for putting me on his hitlist, now I think I'm gonna share some analysis of my own. | ||
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I plan on driving home in 4-6 hours, which is a 2 hour drive so I should be home at ~2am central time. Starting then I will have only occassional access to the internet (I will need to borrow my sister's laptop) for about 36 hours before I get back. I wasn't going to say anything about it since I intended to borrow my sister's laptop once or twice anyways just to keep up with thread and post some, but if you need me on at a concrete time the sooner you can let me know the better. I have to do some friend-hanging-out-with and some assuring-i-still-have-a-job-this-summer while I'm home, but just about any time you need me except tomorrow night from ~6pm to ~2am I will be able to be available. So yeah, if you end up going through with this plan thing just tell me asap when I should be ready. | ||
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On March 26 2011 07:36 Kenpachi wrote: Why is he asking the question when he isnt even playing in the item game? i was looking for the reason but didnt see it. came out of the blue. The item game, it has been brought up, is important for the town to win. The town winning means we get to use the items, and the scum winning means that particular variety of scum gets to use the items. I don't think a non-item game player asking questions about the item game win condition is weird enough to draw any suspicion. | ||
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On March 26 2011 07:44 Insanious wrote: Um guys... the item game is NOT useful for anyone but town... If you read what LSB posted: Q: Who gets the items? A: SURVIVING ITEM GAME PLAYERS So say black gets the items... well guess what, we can lynch that black player the next day, and they get 0 items, all gone. Item game is ONLY useful for town, IF the town player then doesn't die right after winning... So ya, item game is NOT useful for anyone but town, as if anyone but town wins, we just kill that player and all items are lost. On March 13 2011 03:11 LSB wrote: And if you win the item game, all the items will be given to your faction and you guys can use one of them per day! | ||
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On March 26 2011 08:21 annul wrote: btw, mods confirmed (somewhere) that the "winners" of item game will be RNGed remaining items once their side wins. so, the actual IG players get the items. Please link to that 'somewhere' as that is not my understanding of the situation. From what I have read it seems that BEFORE VICTORY whenever a player dies in the item game their item is RNGed to remaining players. However, UPON VICTORY all remaining items will be given to the winning faction, not just the player that was in the item game, but their entire faction, and then that faction will be able to use one of the items every night from there on out. Is the above analysis of the item game win conditions correct? | ||
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Forgot we were supposed to post in both threads, I made my actual vote in the voting thread hours ago. | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:46 tnkted wrote: What are you talking about? I posted a quote where i replied to somebody who claimed to know their role. I don't know what my role is yet, I'm just an townie, minding my own business. | ||
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this pleases me gun toting drunk guy pew-pewing scum without giving a single shit about his own well being. This will be entertainment of the highest caliber. | ||
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Ok, I'm operating with borrowed time so I can't be nearly as verbose as I'm sure you would all like me to, but I'm gonna try to answer the questions that have been asked of the IG players. Now a lot of this is based on PMs, a lot on the thread, and quite a bit on just good old fashioned hunches as well. My reads on my fellow IG players is as follows. (I'm going to reveal how these have changed over time too because I think it is the kind of information that might fit well into one of your fancy analysis posts) In alphabetical order: Annul At the start of the game, long before our pm circle became active, I was sure he was scum because I thought he was derailing the thread needlessly and that just seemed scummy. Since then I have slowly made a 180 on him and am now reasonably certain that he is town. I haven't pm'ed him a lot. Coagulation I've thought he was town from the beginning. I know I know, we are friends, and you guys think that has something to do with it, but the thing is, the only way we could POSSIBLY be on the same side is if we were both town. So working together, unless one of us is so dense as to let the other one puppet them completely, will help town. Coag and I have been actively PMing each other since pretty much the start of the game, I know some of you say that is scum behavior for me to PM lots and post little, but we are trying to get something in the works to win the item game for town, and if we post details of it it won't work...so you are just going to have to give us a day or two to do our thing. darmousseh I've got a scum read on him, but in his defense, a lot of it is process of elimination because i see 4 town reads in IG. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he flips town, but at the end of the day, we need to win the item game, if we lose a green or two in the process that sucks, but i think the town can stomach a 2/2 trade that gets us some nifty items and some confirmed townies. I just woke up to my first pm from him, I intend to pm him back, and if he survives the lynch to pm him more in the future to get an actual read on him. Jackal58 I think he is town, and I intend to go along with his plan completely until such time as it starts spilling green blood. He is brazen and outspoken, and if he really is town he not only is flirting with a lynch but he is forcing both scum factions to pay very close attention to him. I think that is a benefit to his plan that not many people have thought about. He is basically forcing scum hands if they want any chance at winning the item game. I expect IG to be a bloodbath, but I think jackal's plan gives us the best chance of a green/some greens to be the ones left standing. I have pm'ed him a bit, second most after coag. Lemonwalrus That's me. I've got a town read on me. I've also got a town alignment pm on me. I'm pretty sure this guy is town. bitch hasn't pmed me at all yet though, so maybe he is hiding something. Tackster I've got a scum read on him, and so does coag, who's townishness and reading skills i trust completely. We've started pming a bit recently, but I had to sleep before we really got anywhere. I think his defense of himself in the thread (which a ton of you are falling for hook line and sinker) seems like a desperate attempt to throw blame everywhere he can just to avoid getting lynched. I only hope that his scum buddies were dumb enough to support him to give us some analysis material when he flips scum. I think our best bet as town is to lynch Tack. If he flips scum, continue with jackal's plan, if he flips town...well, see who we've got left standing after night kills and start analyzing where every IG player stood on the decision and why. I could see an argument for lynching darm, but I would rather we lynch Tack because personally I have a stronger read on him. I would not be at all surprised if darm flips town, so I'd like to wait till I have a better read on him before we possibly waste a lynch on him. | ||
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Crazy things might happen. Item game players might get roles. This isn't your grandmother's mafia. | ||
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On March 27 2011 11:17 Insanious wrote: The black team already has all the info you would gain. By releasing the PMs you only give info to the town and the reds. Since the reds are hunting the blacks, and the only info that you would gain from darmousseh's PMs would be about the blacks... Then giving the info cannot hurt the town. But keeping it secret results in the town knowing less than the blacks. I'm not worried about the blacks since I assume he shared all his info with them anyways, what I'm worried about is what the reds are going to gain from us sharing our PMs and if it is going to influence their KP targets tonight. And reds can't hunt blacks, they are bulletproof. Can I copy paste PMs from Darm in this thread? Sorry if it was answered before. | ||
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On March 27 2011 11:23 Insanious wrote: red's can still influence the town, and they still hold 6 votes. As such they can still hunt and kill blacks. night KP is not the only weapon the mafia wield. Oh, sorry, when you said hunt I figured you meant KP, my mistake. | ||
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Subject: IG Date: 3/27/11 03:01 I'm pretty sure jackal58 is scum. He is reacting almost the exact same way in the mini mafia puzzle game when we discovered clues about him which is post a ton of stuff trying to defend minor issues rather than the overall issues. He think that as scum, if he can defend himself on every single issue, then he might be able to convince people that he's not scum. In games when he isn't scum, he actually does something more along the lines of pointing out who he thinks is scum and ignoring the posting about him. Mini Mafia V is the game we discovered he was scum based off clues, look at his reaction to that discovery. | ||
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On March 28 2011 09:50 Coagulation wrote: what lemon ment to say was yes hes scummy please dont kill me. yes tack is scummy (imo) but i just don't want the town to be following theories that are based on a false understanding of the rules. (also please don't kill me) | ||
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Once town wins the IG you can play with the bandages, I promise. | ||
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On March 28 2011 14:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Then what's the need to steal too, it doesn't really help save him. People are looking at it like Tack stole and then mafia bussed him too, when maybe mafia busing him was their first reaction, and he stole on top of that, which would be stupid and unnecessary. You are looking at last night in a vacuum. He stole what he thought was a gun. That gun was still going to be a gun tomorrow night. He could shoot someone with it tomorrow night. | ||
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I might still post here and there though. Happy scum-hunting. | ||
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I've read the thread from then so far but not as thoroughly as I would have liked to so I'm gonna go back and try to piece things together. In the mean time, if anyone (specifically bumatlarge) has any questions for me to answer go ahead and post them and I'll try to help you out. | ||
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On March 29 2011 11:57 GGQ wrote: I have a question for you. Can you confirm that your item is a vest that protects you from night kills? If so, someone in the thread earlier (jackal?) said that your vest would automatically protect you even if you were protecting it rather than using it. This seems wrong to me, so I'd like to hear it from you. Do you have to use the vest for it to protect you or does it do so automatically? And, finally, did your best block a bullet last night? My vest will block a bullet no matter what action I take, unless it is stolen. As long as I am wearing the vest, I can block 1 nightkill attempt. The vest is destroyed in the process, so it is only good to block one bullet. It did not block a bullet last night, if it had, it would have been destroyed, and LSB would have included that information in the day post just like he included the whereabouts of the potato. Also I assume that I would have gotten a pm telling me I had been shot but I'm not entirely sure about that. | ||
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If the town wins the Item Game, do surviving Item Game players get to continue to PM each other? I checked all your posts and didn't find an answer. | ||
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It just makes the thread harder to read. (also my plan has always been to protect unless town needed me to steal, which I don't think has been the case yet.) | ||
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On March 29 2011 13:43 Coagulation wrote: Dont be sorry. hes not even a real walrus. SCUM! | ||
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Hopefully right now isn't one of those times. | ||
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On March 30 2011 08:25 CubEdIn wrote: Oh so you decided to shut the fk up up till now, and when 2 guys change their votes you catch some breath and talk? SCUM! On March 30 2011 09:02 CubEdIn wrote: I like how Kenpachi and Lemon went quiet. wtf do you want from me? | ||
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I'm gonna dump all my PMs later. Doesn't matter though I'm not surviving the night. We lost the item game when we lynched tack, I sheeped to jackal and coag's plan all along and didn't realize it was a scum plan until now. We have 2 dead townies to show for their plan, and somehow I'm still the main suspect. You guys are getting played by either jackal or coag (at this point I can't tell which one). I fell for it too, but I'm a newbie. What is your excuse? | ||
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I don't know who the ringleader is between you and coag, but I know that is the scum. | ||
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Read the thread. | ||
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The original plan, as I understood it, was to make it seem that he didn't have an important enough item to draw a steal, so that he could shoot people at his discretion. | ||
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and i'm not fake you guys are about to incur ragewalrus you won't like ragewalrus | ||
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So I'm supposed to believe you guys made this elaborate plan of yours using smoke signals? | ||
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On March 31 2011 11:22 Eiii wrote: lemon's item actually lets him kill god It's ok, I protected anyways. | ||
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When someone with their own individual win condition wins the game (so assassin kills their target for instance), does the game end for everyone at that point? /spirit voice or whatever it was that GMarshal said. | ||
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On April 06 2011 08:37 Coagulation wrote: Guys im currently enrolled on DAY 1 of a mafia game hosted at another forum. This is the first time 30 people at that forum (every player in the game basically) has ever played mafia. I just wanted to say that I now know how much I take you guys for granted. i love each and every one of you here very much. you are all truly diamonds in the rough. please pray for me. Don't go confirming any of them "100% townie" on the first day again, ok? | ||
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On April 08 2011 12:23 LSB wrote: And the Bus driver is imba because you didn't ask questions and its imba that someone who spammed my inbox with ~20 PMs knew more about the mechanic than you? We asked you if we could control both of his actions if he took the drugs, and you said yes, we could control his actions. That was the only question we needed to ask. You changed your mind and decided we couldn't control his actions. Your defense that he bussed himself doesn't matter, because you said we could CONTROL HIS ACTIONS, which means that his choice of targets would be overwritten with our choice no matter who he targeted, because his targets would not go through. You either lied to us or changed your mind after explaining it to us, and we made our decisions based on this false information. If what you had said had been correct, both coag and jackal would have died and we would have won the IG. | ||
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On April 08 2011 12:29 LSB wrote: Sure, I'll resolve it then. Your mindcontroller goes to the wrong house because he was bused, and since his actions involve two targets, they are completely off and fail. End result, your mindcontroll failed. He wasn't targeted by the bus. Either by tnkted or by our choices. | ||
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period. what questions he asked you don't matter, you lied to us. why would we ask follow up questions if you told us our plan was going to work? | ||
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why are you bolding can? what is the difference that you are trying to point out? were we supposed to say pretty please with a cherry on top? | ||
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On April 08 2011 12:38 LSB wrote: I did not say anything about your plan working. I would never say anything about any plan working. Look at my day 4 responses to questions, I only awnsered general questions. Us: If we mc tnkted, can we control all of his targets. You: Yes. That is just as good as telling us our plan would work, since you told us we could control his targets, not we could control his targets as long as he didn't bus himself, just 'we could control his targets', flat out, no ifs ands or buts. | ||
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On April 08 2011 12:45 kitaman27 wrote: Tnkted was told that if he bussed himself then he could avoid MC. His night action was based upon this information. It was a mistake that we didn't realize the role interaction conflict ahead of time. Obviously, we couldn't please both parties so we did what we thought was most fair by having the two roles cancel each other out. I'm sorry that it upset so many of you. cancelling them out favored tnkted entirely though. We wasted our night shots on Rean, a person we didn't care about at the time, and me, our own member. He lost nothing. | ||
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On April 08 2011 12:49 GMarshal wrote: *sigh* I hate to have to remind people, but its a *game* dont ruin the fun we all had by going all beserk over a decision in a game of frankly whacky balance. I enjoyed laughing at the shennanigans, and raging over a game that is over is a waste of time. If I am coming of as raging that is not my intention, both LSB and kita have talked to me on irc and know that I think they are ok guys and I don't really want to do this, but we disagree on the way the game played out. I just want to get all the information out there. I enjoyed myself quite a bit playing this game, and I hope to play more games of mafia with all of you in the future. (I'm signed up for 2 more atm) In light of your request I will now drop the subject. <3 LSB and kita thanks for running this game, I know it must have been a lot of work. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On April 08 2011 12:53 Coagulation wrote: im glad you played lemon and im glad you had as much fun as i did! I felt so fucking sneaky when you believed I was town. SO FUCKING SNEAKY | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On April 08 2011 12:57 Coagulation wrote: Ya man your little WAS A NICE TOUCH THAT WOULDA BEEN LAME Ok, I know I said I owe you a beer for defending me in the thread, now let's just make it 2 beers and call it even. K? Edit: Also you made my quote sig of shame and hilarity. Look. ----------------------------------------V | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On April 09 2011 11:47 tnkted wrote: THIS WAS HILARIOUS. NJ guys, I knew I should have sprinkled in some more fake clues. I seriously considered revealing the plan before actually dropping hints just to see what you guys would have done. TBH tho you guys got the easiest and most obvious post. If you had chosen VIRTUALLY any other post of mine i would have called shenanigans and lemon would have immediately died. I'm not going to lie, I was on the fence about whether or not I was enjoying mafia enough to play again in the future, and then Meapak and I had that exchange and I realized how intense it can get. Now I'm addicted. | ||
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don't worry | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
Also I would like permission to be drunk off my ass the entire time. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
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On April 12 2011 11:02 Ace wrote: lolololol I really wish someone made this when Chezinu pulled the greatest lie ever told. That sounds entertaining. Could you direct me towards that please so that I may read it? Sorry for my newbiness. | ||
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