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I skimmed over most of the thread and here are my thoughts so far: 1. There's no way I'll vote a guy that doesn't know what WIFOM means for mayer, sorry new guy. 2. Jackal was ok for mayor, unless he does the wrong tunneling thing he's sometimes prone to and wastes a blue/police day one. But the odds of that are quite small, so I'm sorta-fine with it. 3. GMarshal is a pretty transparent player, so he's a good choice as well, but the fact is he was wrong a huge number of times in XXXVII (I mean, he voted for the wrong person till the end), so while I like him (xoxo), I don't want him as the leader, yet.  4. Kav - I didn't even read the post I went straight to pictures. They were the same as 36 so I was like T_T. And he can't be claiming medic again since the roles aren't out yet. But yeah, I don't mind him as a mayor. Either him or Jackal were my top choices. 5. Chaoser - There's no freaking way I'd vote you for mayor after the huge "fuck you town" move you did in death factory. I'm not saying you're a bad player, but you need to learn to be pro-town even when town is attacking you. -.- 6. Annul - read OP moar! And then bum came and changed everything. He's obviously the best choice because: - if he wasn't blue, there would certainly be a counter-claim - if you're blue and nobody in your team is gonna counter-claim, you're retarded - IF there's gonna be a counter-claim, then we can just check supporters. Both of them should have 3 supporters minimum, so if we force everyone in their team to support them, then we will have not one but four confirmed scum/third party after one of them gets killed. So yeah, my vote goes to bummy. | ||
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One blue to claim will be enough to throw crap on bum and people who support him. Sure, it might lead to lynching the blue or having him killed, but it will be a 1-1 trade with the black team (or reds, w/e) Think about it, Blacks are bullet-proof, they are only scared of being lynched. And you're saying that their plan is to stick their heads out and draw attention to themselves? Possibly putting themselves in a position to be lynched day one? Pleezee. | ||
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It's always been a bad idea for scum to claim something first. You can't claim DT or getting shot when there's just 1 dt or 1 shot in the game, because you will be faced with counter-claims. So far, there's just one claim of blue. There are two scenarios: a) All REAL blues are asleep and will counter-claim later on. b) He is blue and the three other blue are keeping their mouth shut as they should. IF there's gonna be a counter claim, I assume there will be at least one more person supporting EITHER of them. So, whoever is lying (be it mafia or blacks), they will have to stick out at least TWO people (which can be up to four if we go there), in order to get an election. Would you risk that as scum/3rd party just for the mayor role? No. You don't put 2 people on the line on day one for no reason. And if we figure out who's lying (person with least supporters?), then one of them gets mayor'd, and the rest get medic protected or who knows. The point is, in the end, it's not a smart move for EITHER Black or Red to sacrifice people 1:1 (even if they get blues), because they're also fighting each other. So, unless you get counter-claims for blues, you can 99% sure assume that bum is town. If cops saw this but decided not to counter-claim, then either they have a good reason for it, OR they're being dumb. You seem to think that they are dumb, for some reason. | ||
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I'm getting bad vibes from Lemonwalrus though. One-lining his way through posts. | ||
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...as soon as I get my medic role pm! | ||
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I like that Tackster is being methodical about this, but I will say it right now, if there are no counter-claims, I'll be highly suspicious of anyone who keeps claiming that picking bum is a bad idea. In fact, it's such a GOOD idea I was actually going over the rules a few times to make sure there's no slip from the mod that would allow a confirmed townie to get picked as mayor. While I do admit that the blue team MIGHT be a bunch of afk-ers or too dumb to counter-claim (sorry, but it's true), you all must accept that that's a very small possibility. | ||
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I'm pretty much impervious to flames and hate getting into grudge arguments so use logic or state your case but don't bother to emotionally manipulate me, i'll just take it as scummy. Shut up, you're ugly! | ||
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On March 25 2011 05:42 Rean wrote: Did you even read his post? His worries are more Bum being red then black. He realizes that for black this'd be suicide. Oh right, and it's MUCH better for reds to lose 4 people, get left with 2 against 4 blacks who are bulletproof + town, assuming they would even be able to kill the four blues who will obviously be defended by medics. You're right, it MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE FOR RED! | ||
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1. There will be reveal on death 2. Mafia doesn't get to chose GF 'till night 1 (that's how it usually goes, it might differ in this game but I don't see anything regarding this in OP) 3. We are not blindly trusting his claim. We are basing our trust on the blues, hoping they have enough decency to counter-claim if he's lying. What's so freaking hard to understand? | ||
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- the fact that you're in the item game doesn't mean you have to kill the other players there. It's already been said that town will start looking there, since there's a 1:3 shot to get a red/black, so just be pro-town bro! - having a confirmed blue mayor is better than giving it to someone in the item game with a 33% chance of that someone being red/black Bodyguards are random, so it doesn't really matter who they're gonna be, but what matters is that we'll have a protected blue. So you're asking us to pick between: - protected blue, 100% confirmed unless counter-claims - 66% shot of giving it to scum, and having said scum protected against blacks (if he turns out red) I'll take the first one thanks. | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:18 annul wrote: "since there's a 1:3 shot to get a red/black" there's a 1:3 shot to get a red/black in the entire game as well. "having a confirmed blue mayor is better than giving it to someone in the item game with a 33% chance of that someone being red/black" 1. i disagree with this premise on its face; 2. bum is NOT CONFIRMED. the lack of a counterclaim does not "confirm" him as a blue. it is much better to have a protected player in item game to get a 4/6 better chance at SIX abilities than to protect someone who MIGHT be a blue and who might have ONE ability worth saving. i am thinking long term (as in, day 5 and beyond) and you are stuck in day 1. think big. this will be a very long game. The lack of a counter-claim DOES confirm him as blue. If things stay that way 'till the end of day one, then he is blue. If "other" blues exist but decide not to counter-claim, the game is pretty much lost anyway. So no, it's protect someone who WILL be blue and a decent scumhunter. Decent scumhunting > one ability. Think big. | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:22 annul wrote: also, "- 66% shot of giving it to scum, and having said scum protected against blacks (if he turns out red)" no. its 33% to give to scum; 16.6% chance to give to the black player which changes NOTHING in terms of his ability to win item game. the worst-case scenario is to give mayor to the red in item game, since that means black's optimal strat (to night kill the red) cant work. therefore, since it's really only a 1/6 chance of making a bad decision (mayor to red in item game), 1/6 chance to not really affect anything (relative to item game), and 4/6 to completely negate black's inherent advantage and possibly win us SIX (!!!!!!!!) new abilities to use as a team... why are you resisting against this? Are you saying that if black ends up with an item or more, they will have 0 chances of using them against town? Seriously? | ||
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Again, it's a long game, I don't want to end up with a non-town mayor. Either way, I'll stop arguing about this until tomorrow. Maybe someone will counter-claim and all will be in vain. If nobody does, I'll pick the 100% over 95% anyday. | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:26 annul wrote: "The lack of a counter-claim DOES confirm him as blue. If things stay that way 'till the end of day one, then he is blue." imagine this scenario: 1. hatter 2. multi-shot vig 3. mass medic 4. jack would any of these 4 give themselves up in a trade 1:1 to take out ONE scum? of course not. each strong empowered player needs to use their abilities to take out MULTIPLE scum. in this game, for all intents and purposes, it's 10 scum vs 20 nonscum. that is 33% scum when standard play is 20% scum. 1:1 trades are no good here. The jack/hatter could easily both claim and ask for a kill of the other person. One of them would be elected mayor, the other one could be medic protected for 3/4/5 nights. It's not giving yourself up. It's taking out one scum and claiming. There's a big difference. Especially when one of them ends up mayor = invulnerable to night hits for a while. It's not even a hard choice lol. | ||
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100% > all! | ||
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You guys don't get it, but it would be in town's BEST interest for something like this to happen. 4 non-town down so fast, leaves 6 baddies out of 10. Epic start to the game imo. | ||
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Let's come to a conclusion here. It is good to pick a blue mayor. It is BETTER to pick a green mayor from item game. It is most horrible to pick a red mayor from item game. It is "just bad" to pick a black mayor from item game. So, you know, we have "better" against "horrible". Unless someone counter-claims, we have the blue. I don't want another game that ends in mass murder. So I'd rather NOT take the chance of picking that red, even if the odds are slim. | ||
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On March 25 2011 09:56 darmousseh wrote: OMG, so much posting going on I can't keep up. Can someone summarize a little. yes: 1. annul is insisting that there are blues who refuse to counter-claim, and will probably keep refusing to counter-claim even after roles are handed out. 2. he is suggesting we pick someone from the item game as mayor, even though if we fuck up and choose a red, it might lead to town losing the game. | ||
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I'll go sleep soon. I don't have the nerves to post the same thing over and over and over again. It's pretty clear that most of town does not agree with annul, so we'll just see who wins the election. | ||
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By arguing constantly you're only encouraging spam. Be the better man and let it go, at least till tomorrow. | ||
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So, if you had the lynch right now annul who would die? Probably bum, cuz then he'd be 100% confirmed. AMIRITE? | ||
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if you make me write down the reasons again i swear i'll murder someone. | ||
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I mean, yes, annul seemed very anti-town so far, and I would also get rid of such players, but he was trying to make his case and at least we have a lot of pages of posts to analyse, if need be. The quiet ones are always the ones that are hiding something. | ||
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And just so you don't think I'm spamming, I'm all for lynching the lurkers. It seems that everyone in the item game is chatty, part from lemon, which makes me think he's a bored townie. So I'm gonna push him and darmousseh to talk more, or I'll cast my "vote" on one of them (based on "duck duck duck goose" principle, if lack of other evidence). Carry on chaps! | ||
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On March 26 2011 05:05 annul wrote: see and the funny thing is bum is the only one who is saying i am not the lynch target today Actually, I said that as well. But not because I don't think you're scummy (or let's say... anti-town-ish), but because we should have everyone who signed up play this game, not surf around the lurker wave. | ||
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1. Insanious: you'll need to give us more reasons. Mostly because of what happened in Death Factory. You were sure about kenpachi but he wasn't mafia, so you know, you may be wrong now as well. And even if you're not, you can't just say that, you need to convince town. If you ARE wrong they you might get yourself killed as well and lose two townies (assuming no red would stick their neck out to kill a random townie). 2. People asking for DTs: don't. You're giving mafia/blacks reasons to frame you (if they can), or take you out (if you get confirmed in the item game or something). It's stupid. Trust in DTs to find their own targets and bring them out in the manner they see fit. 3. I agree that unless something extraordinary happens, we should take out someone in the item game. Even with a 1:3 shot to hit a scum, it will only get better fast (assuming some of them die during the night as well). If they kill one, we will get a 1:2 shot during day 2. Of course, it's not set in stone, stuff may be revealed, but as a guide line it's a good place to start. | ||
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In this case, it's not really sound reasoning, he MAY be posting differently due to various factors. One should not take the place of an item game kill unless he screws up drastically. He can be one of the later kills, or a vigi kill, or a DT target, plenty of choices. | ||
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I may be going out on a limb here, but if there are "real" blues out there, they had plenty of time to check their roles and decide to CC. If they haven't so far then they're either keeping it quiet or they simply are on bum's team. Just my 2cents. If someone decides to counter-claim they should do it fast, so that town has enough time to reason their decision and votes. | ||
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I agree that lurkers should be outed, and I agree that he should speak. I don't agree that he should be day 1 lynch though. I once almost got mod-killed for not posting during the entire of day 1, and I was town, so I know it can happen. | ||
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Sorry, nothing to add, but I'm trying to follow-up and this game seems to be going fast so I'm trying to follow-up. Going to bed now. | ||
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I noticed people were saying that maybe we shouldn't go for anyone in the IG. I still we should, and here is why: 1. The 1:3 shot of hitting a red is not that bad. If we combine it with some behavioral analysis, it should even increase slightly (for example, I would be excluding annul and jackal right now, not because I think they're town, but because annul will probably not be killed even if the scum thinks he's "other-team-scum" because they'll be hoping for a town lynch, so we should have at least 2 players left, and jackal will be targeted during the night if he is indeed town and managed to step on some toes - of course, this reasoning fails if annul's team manages to obliterate the entire IG in one shot). 2. So our odds are pretty good, and you are missing the fact that the black in the mafia game can only be killed by our lynch (to the best of our knowledge). Which means that eventually, we'll have to try and lynch someone there anyway, unless we're giving away the items, or some weird sh*t happens. I doubt we'll have a higher chance of hitting the red/black so later if we do not act upon this on the first night. 3. We don't know what's gonna happen during the night. It's insane mafia, and there are two parties who have interest in winning the item game. That means that, with the help of some random events, the whole Item Game could be over in one night. I know it seems unlikely, but it IS a possibility, if you combine mafia KP with Black KP with some vigilante who happens to be in the IG (*cough* Coag's weapon *cough*) or something. We've seen stranger things happen in Insane. So yeah, I know this post is kinda confusing but I need to go so I wrote it kinda fast. Bottom line is, don't underestimate night KPs, at least until we get to see one night. If we go for the assumption that there will be like 3-4 people left in the IG after tonight, and our shot will be 50-50, I think we're blindfolding ourselves. | ||
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On March 27 2011 03:06 Tackster wrote: Ok i've searched and searched and searched and I cannot find the post I'm looking for - someone help me!! I was certain I read that Jackal had said something along the lines of: ...and then we shoot someone **with coags item**... But I can't find it in your posts - or anyone else And i definitely remember something along those lines.. Can anyone point me to the post im talking about? I wrote that there will be a lot of KPs in day one. At one point I said there might even be a vig-night-kill (*cough* Coag's weapon *cough*). Jackal had nothing to do with it. Now, as for the arguing: people in the IG have no idea what anyone else in the IG is. Not even the red/black. So the fact that you all decided on someone (tack) doesn't mean much. It's obvious that everyone would be ok with anyone but themselves being lynched. The one person that isn't (Coag, defending Jackal) strikes me as scum, because I also urge people to not lynch a townie, when I know for sure that townie is green/blue (i.e. when I am mafia). But of course, that's too little of a clue to make me think coag is town. The reasoning for lynching someone, no matter if it came from figuring out PMs or whatever, should be decided by town. But again, I fear that we HAVE to lynch, and if we miss-lynch there's a huge opportunity for the item game to end tonight (yes, I think that there CAN be 5KPs -or more- total tonight, one way or another, it just depends on who hits who and who stacks what. So if we get rid of one, then one team will only need to kill 4 more people). So yeah, you can turn this thing on all sides, but the only other alternative would be to lynch outside IG and hope neither team has enough brawn to try and wipe out all the others. IF we hit the item game, I predict a slaughter. But I could be wrong because, as I said, both teams may fear the other team too much to make a move. okaaaaaaaay. so who would I pick from item game? Coag, but that's based purely on that little thing I posted regarding his defense of Jackal. I like Jackal, but I don't like the "spam contest" in this thread so far, so I'm not placing him as town in my mind. I don't know Tackster, but he seems to be trying hard to be pro-town, so I say, let him keep trying for now. Annul, as I said, 50-50 on him, but at least he's posting. Darmousseh, no clue, since he's been many afks, and I didn't get any vibes from his postings (i liked the mayor campaign though, even though it was in vain). That leaves LW. I dunno what to say, the gut feeling was lurking mafia, but if he IS rather new to the game as he's claiming, then it's a bit too of a complicated strategy to adopt for a newbie (keep posting silly things at the start to make people think you're active, when you intend to slip under the radar), plus he reacted pretty well when confronted. So yeah, that's all based on a 20minute read of the thread. I won't cast a vote, I'll go with whatever Bum chooses (because, after all it's his choice alone), and I trust his judgement. Even if we don't get a scum, I hope we kill a less-than-helpful player. I fear that the fact we have 80 pages so far only makes it harder to do post-analysis, because too many things can slip through the cracks. | ||
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so their role = no role? | ||
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If you use one medic protection, and everyone else dies, then you could be sacrificing yourself for your faction by getting all the items and giving them to your friends before you get lynched. I'm not saying that you are, but you know. It's like a 10% possibility. Based on the number I just pulled out of my tooshie. | ||
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On March 27 2011 10:11 chaoser wrote: So you talk about how it's bad to hit the item game cause it'll lead to a "slaughter" by your predictions and insinuate that we should lynch someone outside it but then go on to talk about lynching coag when we've already established why his logic and defense of Jackal makes sense? Yeah...ok.... No, I said we have only one alternative: not hitting IG and hoping nobody else does either (or that only 1-2 ppl die to make it easy for us). I didn't say we should pick said alternative. I didn't say it's bad to hit IG. I want to hit IG, that's why I went on talking about it. You established it makes sense, I gave your reasons why it might not be as straight-forward as you think. Feel free to ignore me and lynch one of the other four, with 50:50 chances I'm all for that. It just seems TOO good to be true IMO. | ||
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Bum for mayor!! Oh wait... Bum for GOD! | ||
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you guys write too much. what if coag is lying and after we lynch tack mafia kills jackal and lemon. are you two guys willing to take that risk? | ||
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On March 28 2011 12:24 Lanaia wrote: I really don't think coag is scum. CubEd, do you think he is? no i don't, but it's not my life on the line. if jackal and lemon are willing to wing it, that's good enough for me to vote for tackster. | ||
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Most likely it deflected back to whomever checked the guy. However, you don't know: a) If only the GF/Miller has the power to come up as something else when checked b) If mafia got to choose what GF comes up as See, we're not 100% sure that mafia got to choose what GF would come up as, since they wouldn't really know the powers in the game to begin with. | ||
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I do believe that you're the bus driver and have switched bum and lemon, otherwise the lemon check wouldn't have made sense in a LOT of scenarios. Now, we still need to figure out why Tack didn't die. Two bus drivers might be a bit much indeed. The only thing is, mafia thought Jackal would hit, not Coag, so whatever happened, couldn't have been a spell cast on Coag. | ||
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Well then, the only scenario that makes sense to ME right now is that Lemon is indeed red, tnked managed to screw up everyone with the awesome bus switch (since, you know, lemon was getting checked), and Tacked is caught in the middle. The reason I'm saying this is that Day 2 is entitled confusion, and it's pretty clear that Coag didn't know why he shot annul. I don't know, I've just been getting a good vibe from tack this whole game, and I don't think LSB would place a newbie in a 4-man-mafia team, and then place HIM in the item game. I know it's meta-game and shouldn't be considered, but come on, it makes much more sense for Lemon to be the scum. Besides, we can solve this by killing both, someone get medics on Jackal/Coag and kill the other two. Easy peasy. And yes, I'm considering that Jackal is town. | ||
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Anyway, the more I think about it the more pissed off I get. I know you wanted to use your role, but the fact that the blues (bum killing a scum on day 1) knew what they were doing should have been enough indication that you should steer clear of the item game. We would have had a brilliant check by bum/bum's friend/whatever and we would know for sure who to lynch. | ||
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Coag: people are not calling you a liar straight-on, but you placed yourself in the spotlight, people will obviously argue everything you have to say. So far though, very FEW are doubting the fact that you're town. They're just doubting the fact that you know what you're doing. If nothing else, the fact that you told two people what you're gonna do, and then shit happened and you ended up some place else, should keep you on your toes. Honestly, i'm 50-50 about who to lynch, tack or lemon, but my GUT says lemon. Why? Because Lemon knew that Coag needed to be maimed, not Jackal. That's all I got going right now. Think about it: as mafia, without a bus driver, how can you protect yourself from a hit even if you know it's coming? You can't, not in a regular game anyway. So the other version makes more sense to me (you can stop the killer in his tracks). But, again, that only works if you know the killer. Anyway, I was thinking of a way to get rid of both tonight, but the only scenario that makes sense now is if we had a vig or something. There are many things to consider, but it's pretty clear that someone else in the IG will get lynched, so there really shouldn't be so many FKING PAGES. I'm gonna go sleep, please don't let me wake up in 8 hours to page 184. Thanks. | ||
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I get the whole "why tack is scum" argument, it makes sense, not so much with the "covering all bases argument", but with the "they thought coag had role-block" argument. Good, we're killing him. Meanwhile, tnked can repent and switch Jackal with Bum again (or a random person, it doesn't matter), to make sure that the IG doesn't end if we miss-lynch. And yes, I said jackal. He's the only one I believe 100% to be town in that game. HOWEVER, I'd like it if someone (preferably coag, since he's been dismissing this a lot) could explain to me why we are not even CONSIDERING the fact that Lemon could be the scum? He knew Coag had the gun so they could have used him against annul, just in case. So I don't know, I see the reason why it's more likely that Tack is scum. I don't see why we are completely dismissing Lemon though. | ||
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I'll go vote for tackster now. | ||
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We have blues as well, who can protect Coag! | ||
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I myself have asked for extensive explanations on why we are only focusing on Tack, you need to go back and read the thread more carefully. And no it wouldn't make sense to steal from Coag, as a KP is more important than a RB for mafia. And as Coag was clearly the shooter, and jackal's item got stolen, that safely clears them both. As much as you can have someone cleared in a game of Mafia. So it's between Lemon and Tackster, and it doesn't make sense for mafia to double-shoot Annul if they KNEW Coag had the real gun. It would make much more sense to use the "stun gun" to RB annul's potato. Anything else makes a lot less sense than this theory. | ||
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On March 30 2011 00:58 Tackster wrote: Why does Jackal having his item stolen clear him in any way? Thats wrong imo. Eh, I admit, I'm biased towards Jackal, it's not a very good reason, at the time I was thinking that if he were mafia he'd protect the item and wouldn't really go along with a plan that involves two other people. But he could have, had he been sneaky enough. But yeah, if you wanna place a vote on someone, do Lemon. He's the only one that has even a slight chance of being lynched instead of you imo. | ||
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Thing is, a mafia with extra items spells trouble for blacks, but i don't know. Here's the thing though, if we are wrong and we DO lynch the wrong scum, we can still prolong the IG with medics/bus drivers, so it should still be OK. Dun dun dun. | ||
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SCUM! | ||
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Unless you're scum, in which case, Bravo. | ||
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Kekekeke. | ||
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*cue Eye of the Tiger* EPIC PLAN OF EPICNESS So, if you guys didn't figure it out yet, I'm blue. Yes, blue. Bum can vouch for me if needed, but if you guys didn't see it by now then you suck @ mafia lol. Don't worry though, the reds and blacks already knew this, because I slipped in another part of the game that's not open to the publique! (that's public in a language I just made up) So, here's the deal boys and girls: 1. We lynch Lemon now. 2. If he flips green, we (the blues) get rid of Tackster during the night. YES, WE CAN. (lol) The only issue here is, which townie do we want in the game? We risk either way, but I'd rather Tackster lives, as he seems to be much more active. Chances of this failing: yes, if Coag is mafia. So ask yourselves, is it worth risking to kill Tackster, or is it work risking to kill Lemon. Which was more pro-town? AS I SAID, THEY CAN BOTH DIE EITHER WAY. SCUM is not taking the IG. Unless we have Coag as red. In which case they were taking the IG anyway. | ||
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I'll have to talk with the guy holding the weapon but there's time for that. @ Coag: why waste two kps? :/ | ||
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30 more minutes. | ||
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Don't worry! We kinda sorta maybe think we know what we're doing. | ||
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REMEMBER, EITHER IS FINE. This is just to fuck with the mafia. :D | ||
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Tackster to be lynched. I almost peed myself. | ||
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Mafia can't use mind control/confusion/whatever on both the BD and Coag (who has the gun). So coag can shoot whoever he wants, us blues will do our thing, and we'll tell tnked who to move (even publicly). Mafia may kill one of you guys, but definitely not both. Also, I suspect mafia will see the morning with a few less members. More so if Coag guesses right. | ||
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That's all the difference it made to me, as well as Tackster's goodbye post. You guys should've followed the plan. I knew I should've brought in Ver's professor cool picture. But no matter. No use arguing about what could've been, what should've been. Let's live for the present! | ||
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You couldn't wait 'till morning? Now we gotta protect you too? | ||
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There there little guy, don't worry about mean ol' Coag, they all know it's just a game. Now, how wide around-the-neck are you? I'm craftin' myself this awesome noose. | ||
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On March 30 2011 11:38 GMarshal wrote: *looks around curiously* [spectral voice] where? [/spectral voice] http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/151858/the-tooth-fairy-visits-cartman | ||
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I mean look, he vanished from the thread ever since I posted my plan. Thing is, mafia will need to take you BOTH out. So suck it up and do some pro analysis during the night, keep your fingers crossed and hope you make it. Us blues will try our best. | ||
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Read the last 20 pages and the voting thread. Scum is pretty obvious imo. | ||
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We weren't sure either, it was still a major coin flip between the two. But the fact that the lynch was so one-sided and the fact that tackster was town 'till death, made me think that we're making a huge mistake. It doesn't matter that we lynched wrong, what matters is that we tried changing it, and stuff started happening in the last minutes of the lynch. It's obvious that people wanted Tackster to die. People who had no reason to be biased towards any of them at first glance. So it worked anyway. We revealed some very scummy players. We semi-cleared others. This was 1000 times better than to have the lynch at 22-2. Also, you're asking why is Jackal not considered? Well, because people risked their lives in order to pull Lemon out of the lynch. If that's not a scum tell then I don't know what is. | ||
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If you know 100% sure that your bus can't be MCed or anything like that, then just switch coag/jackal with Insaneous/Eiii and be done with it. How would mafia be able to deter those plans? | ||
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Know what I'm saying? I want to know that your explanation makes sense before you know what happened during the night. | ||
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So a post timed right (~11:00) will be good enough as mafia won't be able to change their actions based on what you say. Heck, if you feel better about it, make it 11:01, if you have it all written up you can keep refreshing and post it as soon as the time hits 11:01. | ||
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no F5-ing tonight? are you guys only innerested in da lynch? i'm a sad copper  | ||
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(accusing everyone is hella fun) | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.theanalogdept.com/images/spp6_pics/Watches/Seiko/SKZ211K1/DSC_5290.jpg) This is what my watch looked like more than 2 hours ago. Now it's way darker and i'm way tired. Also, I'm simply spamming right now. Need to stop. | ||
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On March 31 2011 11:29 tnkted wrote: Correct. Tackster, for example, in the original latin actually means 'little girls.' the correct version of his name, in the nomitive singular, would be 'tacksto'. Rofl. Are you sure it doesn't mean "one who peed himself" or something like that? | ||
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it's just a silly joke anyway. You know, this would be a lot more fun if the network card on my main computer hadn't crashed earlier, and I'd be in a UMS somewhere completely ignoring this. | ||
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Sorry rean, much love. | ||
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Jumped the gun a bit there, tnked? | ||
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So typical Pandain. | ||
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6 am is where i draw the line. Talk in 4 hours when I get to work -_- | ||
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I'll go vote for him as mayor now. | ||
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I do, however, have one last plan that is meant to 100% clear one townie and possibly give us a 100% sure scum/black target for the night. I am working on it as we speak, will post it towards the night because I need EVERYONE to reply to it. | ||
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TRIPPLE POST!! | ||
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So yeah. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Jvm3U.jpg) Ok town, listen up, and follow me. This is CUBE'S AWESOME PLAN OF AWESOMENESS. It's not epic because it won't get us a scum dead, as it would probably have done before. But still, it's a decent plan. Backstory: We will probably die, so after tonight's lynch we will tell the town everything we know. However, some of the things we know are still unclear, so it would be best to set some things straight. What I'll do is ask all of you to give me bits and pieces of your ROLE PM. Nothing that is incriminating, but I should have the exact role PM of some people, and I can 100% confirm them town. Also, based on WHO I can confirm town, I can probably give you the name of ONE scum as well. You can choose not to participate, but if you do, I will only confirm your alignment, not your role, so don't worry. Oh, and There's no way to decide if you're scum based on what you send to me. How it works! Well, easy. You all post words from your role PM. Namely word 5, 10, 15 and 20. If you feel that any of these are a give-away of your role, you can REDACT them. And maybe post word 25/30/35 instead. For example, Chaoser's role PM: You are part of the town Kingdom. The ruler of the kingdom, Redacted has contacted you, you are his bodyguard. You may PM the other subjects of the Town Kingdom, Redacted You should post: 5th: The / 10th: of / 15th: contacted / 20th: REDACTED / 25th: other. This will give us enough information to match the Role PMs we found by checking before our DT died with the people. Count well, and post just once, no going back on what you've already posted. If you have questions, feel free to ask. | ||
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Words 5,10,15,20 of your role please. | ||
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@Eiii: We might be on to something here. Which of the following words does NOT appear in your PM: choose / drunk / credit / dark / list. | ||
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AWESOME PLAN OF AWESOMENESS STOPS HERE Well that was quick. Yeah, the fact of the matter was, we only had one DT check. And it was for Eiii. We didn't come forward with it because tnked claimed to have switched Eiii during the night. However, the role-check came back on Eiii, based on the check we just made, which means two things: 1. Eiii is confirmed town (unless he's GF/Miller) 2. Tnked did NOT switch Eiii last night Normally, I wouldn't have confirmed Eiii out loud, but I fear that we will die and I won't be able to pull him off the lynch afterwards. He seems to be pressured himself, so I think it's better off that you guys know he's town. Even so *Slaps Eiii on the back of the head for voting for Tackster*. Now, moving on! Let's analyze #2. Either Tnk lied, or there were other mechanics in the game that screwed things over. Both of these options are plausible, especially since LSB had a hard time putting the night actions together. However, Tnked seems to have slipped several times, one of the strongest tells being that he said we have two blues dead, before the second blue flipped. This can make sense if he had a DT/Kill role like the one Wiggles claimed on the previous page. I'm still not 100% positive he's scum though, it may all be just a series of bad calls, but he's definitely worth looking into. I suggest an analysis by a more competent player if possible. Either way, Lemon should be our lynch for the night. Do not deflect this. As for tnked, I am leaning 60-40 in favor of him being scum. It may be a good lynch for the next night, because even if he's telling the truth mafia can still use him for bussing, so he can hurt the town either way. Of course, if better targets come along, then he can be postponed. | ||
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But now I see, only the second one failed. Ok, fair enough. Since we have mod confirmation that someone DID try to puppet him, I guess he can be postponed from analysis. Which leaves us with Insaneous and a few other mostly-lurking kind of people. | ||
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I'm really sad we killed tackster. And that eiii and insaneous were town. Now we have fewer leads. Ins is surely town because he claimed vi and his pm is identical to bb's. So we only need to look @ rol/pandain. Also, good that we have items now, but, again, be very scared of the black team. They are well informed and bulletproof. I'll post more in 10h or so. Need my beauty sleep. P.S.: police-reinforced lyches made: 2 for 2. If we die tonight, please believe we tried our best. | ||
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He claimed to be paired with someone else (BB) as village idiot, and gave us his role-pm. Then BB flipped and we had the same PM from him. He also claimed that his role was changed after that, and then so did BB's. There's no way that mafia knew about the original role, the role change, and decided to claim that. If they did, I assume that the other VI would claim and they'd lose a member. So it's pretty clear to me that Insanious was telling the truth. In fact, he's practically mod-confirmed to have been the VI and now is a simple townie. (judging by BB's role-pms) | ||
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1. Confirmed townies: Coag, Jackal, Eiii and Insanious 2. Likely to be townies: Meapak, Tnked 3. Most likely to be scum: OriginalName, Lanaia, Orgolove, Amber, Kenpachi, ilovejohn. Now, for some explanations: I don't know for sure about scum, they can be red/black, I don't care. But I have a really strong feeling that OriginalName is one of them. If I were Jackal, I'd tunnel him to the end of days, for example. It's not just based on gut feeling, it's also based on another side of the game that I'm not allowed to talk about. Of course, there's nothing 100% sure, but I'd say 75% sure he's black (or red, but I'm hoping for black now, since they have the advantage). Lanaia, I just don't buy it. He may be town, but I'd want to get rid of him either way. Orgolove and Amber are just too lurky. Which makes me think they're black and are currently in a comfortable position. They only need to really fear lynches, so if they just shut up and go beneath the radar, they avoid those and win the game. Just focus them for a lynch and watch the thread come alive. Other useful information... I'm afraid we don't really have. Other than what I already said, the blacks being really far ahead. Frankly, I don't think there's any way mafia is winning this game, so, in all honestly, they should be gunning for blacks as well (not saying that just so you don't shoot me). But they do have some cute powers and superior KP so who knows, maybe they can turn this around. I'll keep thinking if there's any more info I could give before morning, but I doubt it. Good luck. | ||
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On April 03 2011 03:41 tnkted wrote: I'm not scum, i just really do have bad luck. and ok, I'll replace orgolove and ON on your advice. amber[light] insanious Kenpachi one of those will be switched with either me or somebody on your list. Insanious is not scum! Do you people not read my posts at all? 1. He claimed VI with BB 2. BB died and flipped VI, with the exact Role-PMs (both!) that Insanious posted 3. Nobody else claimed to have been BB's mirror-idiot. I may be wrong, but so far, nobody has refuted these three points. If they stand, then Insanious is mod-confirmed town at this point!! | ||
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It doesn't matter if you're town or red or black right now, if you're not mad hatter or something and want to get lynched in order to take out two people, then you are NOT playing to win. Man up, shake it off. | ||
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We might just have a list of red and blacks for you town, as the reds are duking it out with the blacks. I'll discuss with bum and give you the names we have by morning. However, please remember that: 1. Nothing is 100% sure 2. You need to keep the black numbers just slightly lower than the red numbers. So don't go after blacks and have the reds win it. Remember, they have cool powers. As of now there are 3 blacks left, and 5 red. We have 2 red names that come from a very reliable source, and a few "good hunches" about the 3 blacks left. So, it will be up to town to decide who is the better choice. I'll talk it over with bum but I'll get back to you before sunrise. | ||
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- by Cube, the sexy. ![[image loading]](http://driph.com/words/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/e.gif) Ok since I’m getting no love from LSB or Bum, this is what WE KNOW so far. Blacks are well informed in this game, however, they fear that they are outnumbered. Thus, they publicly posted two mafia names: Orgolove and Amber[Light]. They KNOW the names of some of the mafia, but I can’t guarantee that they are not lying just to fuck with the town. So take this with a grain of salt. Don’t rush to kill both at once or something. Mafia are obviously mad at blacks because of the info they detain, and the fact that they can’t really kill them out-right. Since they lost Lemon, it now stands at 5v3 against them. Right now, they are considering the following “Strong Reads” on the black team: Kavdragon/GGQ/Lanaia. Again, this is not 100% confirmed, it’s just what mafia thinks. So we have the following situation: Mafia claims: Kav/GGQ/Lanaia = black Blacks claim: orgolove and Amber = mafia (this could be a lie, but I doubt it, since it’s 100% sure they know who mafia is, and they want them dead). What should we, the town, do, though, Mr. Cube? Well, keep your calm. Wait and see what happens tonight. However, the general rule is that you want to keep the mafia/black roles equally low. So if a black dies tonight, you want to take out two mafia, so we’ll have 2 blacks and 3 reds. If two blacks die, you should hunt mafia until we only have 1-2 reds standing. Don’t go overboard with one faction, as the other one might win it. Just take them down rationally. Get organized and don’t lose your head. Remember, you want BOTH FACTIONS to drop in proportional numbers (since blacks are fewer but also have lower KP/powers as far as we can tell). Ideally we’ll have something like 2v3 and then 1v2 into 0v1 or 1v1. ALSO, TRY TO HANDLE THIS INFORMATION FIRST, FORGET ABOUT TNKED/ILOVEJOHN FOR THE MOMENT | ||
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If we have any DTs in the town circle, it might be a good idea to either test what blacks claimed, or check on the ones that red is darting for. Bus Driver, switch with someone at random. I don't think it's smart to pick a mafia since blacks are gunning for them, and us cops will also be wrecking some houses tonight, so best to just hide for tonight. | ||
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On April 03 2011 10:31 tnkted wrote: so wait, should i be playing it safe (switching myself) or switching people around? I've changed my mind on my bus like 8 times now. Previously i was switching one of the blues with a scum, and i either changed that or didn't. What is the best plan? give me 3 options so scum can wifom. I suggest you play it safe (bus random guy, who has not been targeted in my post), or bus someone to "protect" them (like one of the confirmed townies). I can't give you suggestions, since scum will pick up on them and it will be pointless. You choose. There are at least 6 confirmed townies to pick from for instance. But please let us know what you did @ 11:00 | ||
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Not that I'm not sexxeh, but I didn't want innocents to die because of me. :D | ||
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On April 03 2011 11:03 kitaman27 wrote: Blame GMarshal. ?!? + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Thank you for the save Bus guy. WTF @ Bum for forgetting to send in the kills. TWICE IN A ROW. What a waste of good KPs (yes, two). | ||
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And Mafia's "reads" suck as well. People I would direct my rage towards: OriginalName / Kenpachi. ...for now. | ||
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So mafia went for GGQ and Blacks went for bum? That's just silly. | ||
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On April 03 2011 11:32 CubEdIn wrote: Oh wait maybe they didn't lie, since they had 3 names (lemon was not one of them) and they only shared two. | ||
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On April 03 2011 11:43 OriginalName wrote: Only bum can buy votes check his role PM. I'm pretty sure the other factions can buy votes as well. And we didn't save tackster because we only had money for like 2-3 votes, since we had bought RPGs, and we were not 100% sure about him being innocent anyway. We thought the money would come in handy later on, when we ARE sure. This was back when we had a team. | ||
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They are three people, and mafia can still RB+shoot one of them to get a kill. So all town has to do is lynch two of them. In theory. | ||
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On April 03 2011 11:46 orgolove wrote: Whatever. We got the godfather, and now we just have to worry about their "3" RPGs. What are the benefits of winning the item game? Anybody know? Since bum knew, there had to be some blues that were in there other than bum. Do you know who are the blacks, have any analysis to help us? Read the Black Market thread. That's all we know. I can say that mafia thought Kav/GGQ/Lanaia were blacks. It seems that they were wrong about GGQ, and possibly about Lanaia as well. So... yeah. Do your own police-work! Bum was supposed to hit kav or ggq, but didn't get to. We might have been wrong, but at least blacks would have had -2 kps. | ||
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Why would they do that? He might be black though. @Kav: I'm not DT, I can role-check (getting the role PM). I got RBed, you can tell from the day post. I checked & confirmed Jackal on day 1 and Eiii on day 2. | ||
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On April 03 2011 11:58 Coagulation wrote: no i shot the GF i can only use 1 at a time. i will probably shoot you next. He's most likely not red, and blacks are Bullet-Proof. Unless you can get a RB before-hand, don't bother. | ||
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Both teams knew we had RPGs. They did not know who would use them (coinflip on who to RB) Reds go: Dudes, use them on: Kav/GGQ/Lanaia prz. Blacks go: No no, we got the scum names, it's Orgolove and Amber. And you're saying they're actually going "Shoot us!" "No!! SHOOT US!!"? It doesn't make much sense man. Why would black lie about who is red? It's in their interest for town&mafia to fight each other! I get the argument when it comes to reds, because they were guessing, but the blacks... why would they lie? | ||
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1. They tell us to kill Kav 2. Blacks get angry 3. We would have probably shot @ Kav 4. Kav dies & flips red 5. ??? 6. Profit | ||
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They represent a KP by themselves. They are also a KP modifier, so if they are used together with another KP they go through bulletproof or any kind of protection. So by themselves they are 1 kp. If used together they go through bulletproof (using 2 rpgs I mean). Or it can be used with a regular kp + rpg to go through bulletproof. But that's pretty irrelevant since the blues have them, so they'll probably use them 1-for-each. I am totally for killing the mad hatters, but I suggest you really think the targets through. | ||
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1. Lynch Kavdragon. 2. ??? 3. Profit. Here's why: 1. We're 9v7 right now (counting all scums). 2. We have people with KPs (1 or more). 3. We have medic(s). 4. We know that orgolove and amber are scum. 5. We have people who can read roles (less impressive). 6. We have Bus Driver(s). As far as I know, scum has only 1rb + puppeteer. There's no way they can stop everything during the night. We have mafia, who is in deep sh*t. They need to take out blacks as well. If they do not, they won't be able to win, that's pretty clear. So let's not fuck shit up with madhatters. If they want to stop that, they need to use 1rb + 1kp to kill one town. It's silly. Not worth it. Let them use it. Besides, we're not even sure that it's gonna work anyway (they may save the targets somewhat). Let's get rid of the one confirmed black. Let's hope that some town heroes will be able to take out 1-2 scum tonight, and we'll probably lose a fuckton of people, but we'll have way better odds (say 4 of us die, it will be 5v2v3). IF mafia is decent, they might be able to take out a black as well (though, they seem to be sucking at it so far). What you're doing right now is taking out scum. Which will make it EASY for black to win (4kps against town lolwut?). So let's be 100% we kill ONE black. Then if both mafia and blacks go for town, it will be mafia's doom. WE ARE NOT WINNING THIS BY HITTING MAFIA. EVEN IF WE WIPE THEM OUT TONIGHT. Be brave town, ##vote Kavdragon! | ||
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If we're 100% sure the bomb is on Kav, we can lynch the hatter (as long as the second bomb is worht it as well), otherwise, keep the hatter, lynch the Kav. | ||
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I think it's more useful to let john live and maybe have blacks waste a KP on him (since they would take out the mafia that way). As I said, I really don't think we should be trading for mafia 1-on-1. On the other hand, I don't see how Ilovejohn will come in handy otherwise. Besides, the blacks do want to get rid of town as well, because town is main black-killer. I know it sounds stupid, but I think that for once, the best idea would be to NOT kill the mafia. | ||
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INSANIOUS IS MOD-CONFIRMED TOWN. MOD CONFIRMED TOWN Please don't make me fking explain this to you again. | ||
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1. Do we trade ilovejohn for a red? Due to the state of things, I think it's BETTER to lynch Kav and let the reds/blacks waste a KP/RB on him. Mafia are not the main issue here. Blacks are. | ||
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Plus, someone said they saw the ally before it was redacted and it was in fact Insanious. | ||
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On March 31 2011 12:01 Insanious wrote: This was our role: BrownBear had the opposite (to kill me). On April 02 2011 11:08 LSB wrote: Night 3 Brownbear the Town Village Idiot has died Alignment PM Old Role PM Please compare these two. Tell me how in the FK would Insanious guess BB's role word by word? Are you saying he's mafia and decided to CLAIM that after DTing the actual VI? Ok, then why was he thrown into the Arena Game? He. Is. Town. GET OVER IT. | ||
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If Insanious is not the real VI, then where is the VI? Just read Insanious's posts from that time-frame, it verifies 100% with what happened in the game. So back to the real issue. TRADE A TOWN FOR A MAFIA? | ||
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On April 04 2011 10:00 kitaman27 wrote: lol @ cube trying to convince a mod of alignment. i really wasn't, i'm mad @ town for missing obvious signs. | ||
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On April 04 2011 10:02 ilovejonn wrote: Just vote me and do the trade. Even if we vote Kav and make them waste a KP/RB on me so what? I am not some kind of analysis God and keeping me alive isn't going to change much for town. I'd rather we deal with me earlier instead of playing WIFOM later on and be like "oh no should we kill him to blow scum up, oh no what if he's black etc." There are almost 3 to 5 people that are pretty much scum by the way they post and by confirmation of other roles that we can lynch in the coming Days. Keeping me alive is not that important. I think the more important part will be discussing about the Arena, because they would be choosing who to throw in next. You don't understand. I don't want to keep you alive because I like you, or because I think you're useful. (no offense though, you're ok!) I want to keep you alive because that would force blacks to waste a KP on you, and scum to waste a RB on you. Thus keeping the more important townies safer. | ||
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There's one opinion for this (coming from jonn himself I believe) and 4 votes in the thread for yes already (with no clarification of why we should). Guess what the scum wants us to do? | ||
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Just place one bomb on one confirmed scum (orgolove), and one bomb on a most-likely black. It won't kill the black but it will make it easier for mafia to snipe him. That way, there will be trouble during the night for both scum sides. Not for town though, since we don't have to deal with this shit if we just lynch our confirmed black. So, i'ma go vote kav. | ||
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I like how ON voted for john without posting, sign of scum. I swear, if you guys choose to go for jonn tonight i'll be soooooooo disappointed. | ||
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Even if everyone completely ignores john, it'll still be +1 townie. God. If only bum had sent in his hits. *cries* | ||
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I wanna see 10 votes on Kav when I wake up. Go forth, my brethren! | ||
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On April 04 2011 11:46 tnkted wrote: oh hey also cube relating to insanious: scum has already demonstrated (with lemon) that they can find role PMs when they need to. I'm totally ok with insanious living for the next few rounds though, mostly because of orgo's desperation. Of course. But! - who was BrownBear's mirror then? Why did he not counter-claim to bury Insanious yet, especially since their mini-game was over? - why was Insanious put into the Arena as well as BB? - why would reds claim THAT and put themselves on the map when Insanious wasn't even about to be lynched? | ||
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But his role is tricky and not as useful unless certain things happen. So I won't reveal anything. He can claim if he wants to, but I believe it's in town's best interest if he doesn't. | ||
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But that means that: 1. Pandain has to DIE in arena game. 2. Wiggles is scum (but he doesn't show it, I just went over his posts, other than the fact that he's been kinda-ignoring Kav's scumminess) | ||
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But yeah, we shouldn't leave the freaking arena kill a townie again because of a sc match. Just kill Pandain. -_- | ||
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If we're wrong, we lose the game anyway (lynching confirmed scum won't help), and there's no better black lynch at this point. So let's just suck it up and hang him. No regrets. He was way more vocal when he was town. | ||
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You wanna kill mafia? Fine, let's kill all mafia. I bet that'll win us the game! | ||
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Why is Wiggles a better black target than Kav? Especially since Kav presumably took a bomb in the face and is still breathing? | ||
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On April 05 2011 01:44 tnkted wrote: Oh wait, i counted that wrong. I was counting cube as a blue. Nevermind, that's our list there. My personal list of scum incoming If you count Kav as black, you're missing a red. | ||
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But we are throwing away the fact that Kav didn't die, and comparing it to "Bus Driver is usually a scum role". It's silly. I don't think that tnked is a better target. He MAY be black, but from what we have so far, he's NOT a better target. Heck, I'd lynch Original Name or Wiggles over tnked right now. | ||
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On April 05 2011 05:46 Lanaia wrote: Guys, do we think black, red, or green is more lilkely to have an assassin? It doesn;t matter anymore 'cause both BGs are dead, but I'm just wondering. FTR I think kav is the arms dealer. Green, as I assume that if the assassin manages to kill you, they win the game. However, I think they only had one shot (as it was in the "Assassin in the palace" game), and they used it on chaoser. Therefore they have probably been rendered useless. However, they should've claimed by now, if that was the case. | ||
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iGrok went to fondle chaoser's corpse and that's when he got violated. My bad. @Lemonwalrus: usually, yes. @Jackal: I agree, but we don't know if ON is black or red. He can be either, and hitting red is nowhere near as good as hitting black. | ||
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But see, we have people who can take out reds at night: hatter, guy with gun, and maybe more. So I think it's worth risking the lynch rather than going for a safe red. Hey, mafia scum, you guys want blacks hanged right? Tell orgolove to tell us who isn't scum, and you'd want hanged, other than kav. | ||
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Let's just lynch him. We did coag's lynch when I was trying to switch it, now do mine. I earned it damn it, I had bum as a team mate!!! | ||
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But we don't want to aim for reds. We want to aim for blacks. His analysis doesn't confirm his black as much as it confirms his scumminess. You survived a bomb and a bullet, that's extra scummy in my eyes. Plus, you've only started to defend yourself when people started questioning it. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. It may be an unfortunate set of happenings that lead to this point, and I swear I'll push ON as the next lynch, but right now, I don't believe you're bulletproof. How many freaking bulletproofs are there? 4 black, + vest in IG, + you, + deconduo's "vet". Can nobody die in this game by a single fucking KP? No. You're not changing my mind. And if you're town. I'm sorry, I really am, but now is the worst time to start being active. | ||
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And as much as I'd like to cave in and say, you're right, I'm not basing this on possibilities alone. You gave us CLEAR signs of black: - way less chatty than normal - described as "pro-town, but with an alternate win condition" by bum - survived shot + bomb - claimed bulletproof, which is the only possible way you're not black, big freaking coincidence At this point, I'd rather lynch a townie with a 80% shot that he's black (and I'm being indulgent here, I actually am about 95% sure that you are black) than a 50-50 between black/mafia. Frankly, it's just too much to ignore. If you convince everyone else to vote for ON, I'll switch my vote just to make sure that we're making the lynch as one-sided as possible. But let me say this again: I believe you are black. That's not gonna change until you flip. I had this feeling way before you survived the bomb, and so did bum. I don't want to change my vote. I don't trust you. If the lynch was mine alone, you'd be long dead. | ||
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On April 05 2011 08:56 Kavdragon wrote: Look: If you are set on me needing to die, just kill me with ilovejohn's bomb. That way we get a scum off this lynch, instead of nothing. I'm not going to sit around while you ruin the town's chances for survival. If you won't submit, and are set on me dieing, then fine. Kill me. But don't waste the whole lynch! Lol. I'd rather lose a town, then 2 towns and a red. Don't worry, the reds will die in numbers tonight, due to hatters, blacks, and vigi. Why trade a townie for a red now, when blacks will have to waste a KP or RB on him during the night? And said red will die as a result anyway. | ||
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I'm just asking, because town is pressuring, and Ins is believed to be town, etc. | ||
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LET SCUMS DEAL WITH IT. 1. They have to waste KP on him and/or Role-Block. 2. This is nothing but beneficial to town. 3. Reds are gonna die anyway. In my eyes, only a black would want us to lynch a townie, so they can use their KPs on other targets. I mean, fuck, if I was black there'd be nothing better than two of my enemies to go down in one lynch in this scenario, am I right?! The fact that you're advocating this, alone, makes you 100% black in my eyes. Please tell me the BENEFIT of trading jonn for scum tonight. Please do! And again, you don't really have to convince me, convince anyone else. I'll believe you're town when you flip. I promise. | ||
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On April 05 2011 09:22 Kavdragon wrote: No, if ilovejohn dies tonight, you can bet that he'll be roleblocked. You wonder why there's no one other than jackal sticking up for me? Cause you're doing exactly what the scum want. Let them waste roleblock on him, instead of role-blocking: - medic - vigilante - dt - bus driver (this is a maybe) I'd be more than happy to see all these 4 roles take full effect during the night while they're worried about RBing a hatter. | ||
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I already told you I'm not gonna change my mind. But I will vote for the majority. So stop arguing with me and take it up with the other 8 people voting for you. I don't want or need support from Coag and Jackal and the other confirmed townies. If they believe you're not black, they can feel free to change votes. I promise I won't say "I told you so!!" at the end if they miss-lynch. I explained why I placed my vote where it as and why trading jonn is bad. Convince town and walk free. I'll stop posting for 1h or so. | ||
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Town: please don't vote for Kav because you owe me, vote for who you think is black. But please don't vote for jonn lol. | ||
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my cop persona won't let me. Why now though? 1h left! | ||
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If ON is one of you, now would be a good time to say so. | ||
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On April 05 2011 10:19 deconduo wrote: Lanaia Amber[LighT] CubEdln kevconsim orgolove Jackal58 Kavdragon ilovejohn Mr. Wiggles deconduo Coagulation Eiii tnkted Pandain: Insanious Beneather: Bold is confirmed town. Yes I included myself, deal with it. Who is the last town? Eiii | ||
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1. Jackal 2. Coag 3. ilovejonn 4. Eiii 5. Insanious 6. -maybe- Lanaia The other two are up for grabs. | ||
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I'll lol so much if assassin takes out lanaia and wins the game tonight. | ||
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If we manage to switch votes from a confirmed black to one of us during night 4 and we vote for eachother then we morph into an archon and score a field goal. | ||
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The reason for that being that if you die, the black will only need ONE kp to die (bomb is kp modifier, so it will go through BP if an additional KP is used). So that will make both teams fear you. Unless you hit 2 reds, which is also ok. Just don't hit a townie.  | ||
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On April 05 2011 10:46 ilovejonn wrote: Actually I can if I stack 2 bombs on them. I confirmed that before but got lost in spam. Therefore I just need to know a confirmed black. There's no "confirmed" black. Sadly. | ||
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It's just 1kp, and if one of them holds it and dies, what would the rest do? It's not like an extra KP that GF has. But still that doesn't exclude the fact that you may be right about both of them being blacks. | ||
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But do switch your vote, to be safe. | ||
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It's strange. I wanna keep mine on Kav. | ||
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Also I didn't wanna OMGUS who knows what sick roles LSB/kita thought of. | ||
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Pandain: Fight Insanious Insanious: Fight Pandain Beneather: Fight Insanious Pandain has been modkilled and replaced by a bot T_T | ||
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Killing the bank would've been cool when it had items and money. | ||
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Sad day for town though. Why did Ins have to die? | ||
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Meaning: Is it true that they cannot use the three RPGs? | ||
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Now if we can just take out the assassin! | ||
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Just do what you think it's best (PROTECT LANAIA) *WINK* | ||
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On April 05 2011 11:28 LSB wrote: I don't get your question. Please ask a more specific one. ON's role states that he's the only one in the black team that can use RPGs. Does that rule still stand in the current situation? | ||
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Ok, LSB, role stated: However, as Third Party you are unwilling to get your hands dirty so you and other third party members cannot use the RPGs. Does that rule still apply? | ||
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On April 05 2011 11:56 Lanaia wrote: Who is our confirmed scum atm? Just orgolove? orgolove and amber, going by what blacks said. and there's bombs on both. | ||
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Player List 5. deconduo 6. Kavdragon 11. orgolove 15. kevconsim 16. Mr. Wiggles 20. Amber[LighT] 24. tnkted (may be RED, definitely not assassin) Which means that one of the four is the assassin. It would be best if we killed him tonight, or he might win the game (as we saw, he strikes in the morning). Would have been wise to put bombs on one red/one unconfirmed AS I SUGGESTED but anyway. DTing will help tomorrow, but will not win us the game if assassin succeeds to kill Lanaia. I doubt that any night actions will matter since ASSASSIN strikes at dawn. Be afraid, town. Be very afraid. Plan: 1. Nobody should bother protecting Lanaia. Assassin doesn't hit during the night. Bussing her should be fine though, just in case. 2. If Blacks/Reds want a chance of winning this game, they should hit Lanaia. Or coag, if it comes down to it. I know it sounds wrong but as far as I can tell assassin strikes at dawn or during the day. Do we risk losing the game in the morning? P.S.: There's a chance that the assassin could only hit once, but... Enjoy! | ||
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If you fear being hit, don't, scum have only 2kp and they have bigger things to deal with. I know you'll both lie. But I wanna see who's the better liar. | ||
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On April 05 2011 12:19 Lanaia wrote: Why didn't the assassin hit me today after I'd claimed? I don't know. Maybe he can only hit in the morning (his post was right at dawn). Maybe he could only hit once. Do you wanna risk it? | ||
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On April 05 2011 12:21 Lanaia wrote: What if I just have to die and not be killed by him? What if that's his wincon? That would be very imbalanced since you could be lynched/shot by blacks/shot by reds/vigi-ed/bombed. You'd be sort of a reversed-VI. Too many conditions. Search for the "Assassin in the palace" game and read the rules. It looks similar to what's happening here, somewhat. | ||
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If the assassin could only hit once, then they lost already. In which case, they should simply claim to reduce the number of people we look into tonight. If they don't (and I really doubt they will), then they're still in this, and will probably take Lanaia out at dawn. IF you guys think it's worth the chance, we can let her live. And maybe scum will think otherwise and get rid of her themselves. I honestly don't think we should risk it at this point. Town is at a clear advantage, so we might be able to afford this. Also, if we're not hitting her, vigs should definitely take out a mafia. There's no way they'll let jonn live if they have RB. So I think that hitting orgolove/amber is ok for any of you heroes out there with guns! | ||
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Coag/Jackal don't have other roles. Eiii isn't it either, his role is far from this. Tnked can't be it, since he's proven to be the Bus Driver. Lanaia can't be it since she's the king lulz! So that's 5 of the 6 'townies' in the game. Anyone else is unconfirmed. And now, we go on to: - me (not it) - kavdragon (not it, since he's bulletproof and there's been a lot of back-and-forward, I tend to think his claimed PM is true, mostly because it looks much like something kita wrote for various reasons) - orgolove (confirmed red) - amber (confirmed red by blacks) Which leaves: 1. You 2. Wiggles 3. kevincosim In no particular order. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes for the assassin to have two hits (because king had a bodyguard). And they got the first one in, so yeah. He probably has an ability to dt-check one person during the night and hit him in the morning if he flips king/bg. | ||
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On April 05 2011 22:42 deconduo wrote: I'm leaning towards you being black over kav, so your opinion doesn't mean much to me He can't be black. One of the Day posts said: "Someone tried to puppet the Bus Driver". Why would blacks puppet their own? Unless he's not the bus driver, but come on. -.- | ||
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So tnked could at best be black. But it doesn't change much as far as the assassin thing goes. :/ | ||
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On April 06 2011 02:56 Amber[LighT] wrote: Don't you think I would have done that instead of posting here? I'm implying something else with this post about the role blocker Well what can I say then? You had the puppeteer, blacks have the RB. Which means that they can take out a townie and two reds with one shot. You should have come out with this information before sunset so that jonn would've changed his bombs. I asked you to do so repeatedly. The best you could do at this point is try and hit the assassin if you ask me. And rely on your 3rd member who the town doesn't know about to survive. I also suggest you give us any information about who else might be black so we can use our lynches properly. | ||
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Eiii is town. Just take my word for it. I know it's hard to swallow. And it's not like Insanious was proven or how I thought Tackster was town. This is for sure. If he is anything other than town then he has the WORST WORDED PM EVER! | ||
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Safe to say he's not cleared, but I'd rather lynch Wiggles/kevin first. Anyway, none of that really matters at this point. What matters is: Do we shoot Lanaia? Who do we check and such? | ||
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On April 06 2011 04:40 Lanaia wrote: Check kav/wiggles/kevconsim/amber if we need to/if we can. I don't think it's the best idea to shoot me tbh, but whatever floats your boat. I'm not a great fan of losing a townie for free either, but if we don't and we'll lose the game in the morning because you're still alive, how would it feel? | ||
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Town can use bus driver/protection/night hits to get rid of mafia and keep safe. We only need two good lynches on blacks, and I doubt they'll be able to kill 7 townies in 2 nights. | ||
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On April 06 2011 04:46 deconduo wrote: I would lol if kav+tnked are the remaining blacks and kevcon or wiggles is the assassin everything is possible. that's why taking lanaia out is the only safe route. | ||
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On April 06 2011 05:14 Lanaia wrote: I'm the one who had the secret vote during the Lemon vs. Tackster debacle. Yeah chaos pointed that out. On April 06 2011 05:14 Lanaia wrote: Please fucking win if you shoot me. Please fucking win. We'll do our bestestest! | ||
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There was 1 king and 1 bodyguard. So giving him more than 2 shots would be sort-of imbalanced because town didn't know to try and hunt for him, so he'd have a lot of chances. If he only had ONE shot, he would've lost the game already, and claimed, no? | ||
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On April 06 2011 05:17 Lanaia wrote: OH and LSB said that if an external wincon is met [See: Insanious's wincon] the game won't end. I don't think the game would end with my death in the morning. If this is true then we're not killing you, obviously. LSB, please confirm | ||
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On April 06 2011 05:19 Coagulation wrote: SO BE IT. LANAIA IS TO DIE TONIGHT AT THE STROKE OF 10 LONG LIVE THE KING!!... errMM.. actually wait.. UH.. umm... *scratch.. wait lol. | ||
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On April 06 2011 05:21 Lanaia wrote: They wouldn't claim if they figured we'd assume they're scum for having to kill the king, would they? There were two bodyguards. I thought there were two for the mayor, and one for the king. Chaoser was holding place for both the mayor and the king one. Were they both for both?! | ||
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On April 06 2011 05:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote: This is why I think Amber's lying. Why would bulletproof be role-blockable unless mafia had roleblock? It makes no sense for blacks to have roleblock, because they wouldn't roleblock themselves :p. It also seems weird if town had roleblock, because it doesn't really help town that much. The only thing that makes sense if for mafia to have a RBer that they can use with their KP to kill blacks. Conclusion: In addition to being scum, amber is also a liar. Also: Why are we killing Lanaia? Isn't she supposed to be "confirmed"? THIS MAN MAKES SENSE. I ALMOST FEEL BAD FOR HAVING TO KILL HIM!! We are killing Lanaia because she is the king and there is no more protection. If day 3.1 was any clue, then we might lose the game in the morning when the assassin takes her out. LSB, can you please confirm if the "main game" ends if external win conditions are met (such as Assassin/Village Idiot/etc.)? | ||
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On April 06 2011 05:30 Lanaia wrote: does everyone who is RB'd get to know they were RB'd? Yes. | ||
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On April 06 2011 05:34 kitaman27 wrote: There are currently 13 players remaining. There are currently 7 Townies remaining. Counting was never one of LSB's strengths. I doubt you'll receive any confirmations about win conditions. If Insanious' case got a confirmation it's only fair that this case does as well. I suggest we do not kill her, and blame weird hosting if we lose! | ||
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On April 06 2011 05:44 Coagulation wrote: umm prolly not.. Ok it's your choice. No pressure. + Show Spoiler + It's just the faith of the whole game riding on your shoulders.+ Show Spoiler + All those hours of raging, reading posts, trying to figure it out.+ Show Spoiler + All those back-and-forwards, the good calls and the bad calls.+ Show Spoiler + All of it.+ Show Spoiler + Your shoulders. | ||
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Coag. Do a barrel roll! @LSB: thanks for the triple confirm. xoxo | ||
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Coag, can you tell us who you're hitting at the last possible minute? In case you die. Also bus driver, to help us figure it out. | ||
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Guess it was too fking imba eh LSB? | ||
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HERE'S HOW IT'S GONNA GO DOWN. 1. We lynch Wiggles: You are the Third Party Arms Dealer.You have access to the black market. Your mission is to take control of the black market through any means possible. If you kill the Police Commissioner and Undercover, the black market will be closed and all remaining weapons and money will go to the third party. As an experienced arms dealer, you may frame one person a night by planting illegal weapons. (Frame- Causes a person to show up as Mafia to a DT check). The Third Party has 10,000,000 unlaundered Kronos 2. We set bombs on two remaining scum 3. WE LAUGH AND WIN THE GAME. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://filmmakermagazine.com/loadandplay/uploaded_images/061220_dexter-746207.jpg) Come here wiggles. SQUEEL! SQUEEL! | ||
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LSB: Permission to speed up day/night cycle | ||
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On April 06 2011 11:24 orgolove wrote: You guys realize by bombing the remaining scum, black wins the game? lol. There's just one black left. It will all come down to what happens next night. But with Kav on our side (i trust you, love). We have enough to survive the night, I hope. | ||
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Thank you Jackal, you are an angel. I will love you forevers. | ||
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ENDGAME Ok town, here's the sit. rep.: We got the following players still alive: 1. deconduo - ? 2. Kavdragon - probably town/bulletproof 3. orgolove 4. Mr. Wiggles 5. CubEdIn 6. ilovejonn - hatter 7. Amber[LighT] 8. Lanaia - (+1 vote) 9. Eiii - secret role of secretness which is useless at this point but he has a vote! Plan ![[image loading]](http://images.dvdsetshop.com/Upload/uploadfiles/dexter.jpg) 1. We lynch orgolove. This can be done, there are 6 votes for town at this point (even not including kav, it will be 5v4). If blacks can buy votes as well then we just wait for LSB outside his house and rape him. 2. We keep bombs stacked on wiggles. This means that we have one player protected for the night, and two more will die. Tally: 3 town alive, 2 black, 0 reds (AT WORST). I will use my trusted weapon to kill the second red during the night! 3. We lynch black, black kills someone, game will end in 2v1. QUESTIONS?! | ||
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You won't be able to kill ALL confirmed townies because of jonn the hatter. Smile. Town wins. | ||
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If we lynch orgolove, he'll flip red. Then, a power is activated which allows town to use night hit. I will say no more than that. This time, you WILL have to trust me. I'm winning this for town! | ||
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On April 06 2011 11:48 Eiii wrote: hmm. I'm not 100% onboard with getting rid of reds before the blacks are gone, but I guess that one kp per night is really going to hurt, eh? I trust you! It only activates if we lynch a red. This way, we kill both reds in one cycle without losing jonn, and thus drop the KP for the next night to 1. I tried it the other way around (lynch blacks first), but scum can get to a 2-2 situation, at which point the win. I'm not risking that. | ||
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Good luck with that babe. | ||
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Post your role PM. Now. | ||
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So you're saying that you got the identity of the one that has been framed, yet the ones that have been "framed" returned red to you, and you come up as black to me. Back to the drawing board imo. | ||
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I suggest you rest as well. ![[image loading]](http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4zdgaT0Ps1qcatgto1_500.jpg) | ||
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@ Wiggles: how convenient. @ deconduo: yes, wouldn't you like to know that! As I said, it doesn't really matter. We need to: 1. Lynch orgolove 2. Keep bombs on Mr.Wiggles That's all that has to be done today. | ||
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On April 06 2011 20:56 deconduo wrote: I was saying thats what I would need to know 100% beforehand if my roleclaim was fake, which I couldn't. I understand, but it's irrelevant at this point. We are getting rid of reds first anyway, and then most likely 2 more people will die. Let's worry about that tomorrow. | ||
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That makes many senses, yes? | ||
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It says that someone was role-blocked but it didn't matter. I'm guessing they RBed Jackal or Tnked, since Coag got his shot off. | ||
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So they must've blocked Eiii or Lanaia? Or even one of the mafias, who knows. | ||
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I totally forgot about our hatter. ^__^ | ||
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I mean, why would he put himself up for lynch then? And it doesn't make sense for Mafia to RB anyone else... | ||
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I don't know why I was protected, but I am confirmed blue. And I'm posting Dexter because he's a COP that KILLS BAD GUYS. So yeah, that's why. The KP, sufficient to say it exists. You shall have your proof after tonight. For now, there should be no argument against lynching the confirmed reds. If you have a better plan, please do share. It feels to me like you're trying to shift blame and fish for roles. I don't need to post my role PM if I've been confirmed by bum AND LSB since day 2. LSB said there are no traitors. So just deal with the fact that I'm blue. I will say that I do NOT have an alternate win condition. I'm just gonna kill the reds and then hang the blacks! P.S.: Now I get it, you think I have a vest because I pretended to buy one from iGrok (or Rean?) in the Black Market thread. That's why you guys didn't hit me before, lol. Well that was a bluff, there were no vests to begin with. If they were, blues would still be alive. | ||
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@ Everyone else (especially Lanaia/Eiii/Kavdragon) - I need to know you're with me on this. If you have questions/misunderstandings, please speak now. Because you're in for the entire ride if I got my reads right. | ||
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Check the voting thread, if 6 votes tally-up, day ends tonight. And I really need you to be ok with the plan, Eiii, since, well, you know. You're one of the confirmed townies. | ||
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If I die, it's 100% scum's bidding. And I'm not trying to scare anyone, I'm just trying to breadcrumb to make sure that everyone understands my plan and will do what is needed during the night. But I'm not getting any feedback here. | ||
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Eiii, make sure you ##unvote first, just to make sure we have all possible votes on one person. The night action I need only activates if we lynch scum. | ||
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1. Role PMs: Kav's looks more authentic. Decon's looks very wishy-washy, but just might be true. Wiggles's is the worst. That's gotta be one super weak power, plus that it has huge holes in it. Like: - i get the role of who i check = who does that?! - even so, his role-checks come back red, he flips black - the role itself would be super weak, and he can't prove anything from what he posted. 2. Defenses: you'll have to admit they're all weak, but deconduo's seems reasonably fair - he claimed early, nobody counter-claimed. He couldn't have had known there were no other vets BUT, he could have simply claimed that there are more than one if cc-ed, so no biggie there. Plus, he claimed he kills whoever visits him, and that's not in the PM. Kav's is quite strong. What managed to push me off his case was the fact he said "LSB, I told you this role was broken". That just sounded very pro-town to me. Plus, the fact that he was one of the first to reply to my "post words 5/10/15/20" of your PM tells me that if this was a plan, it's a fking brilliant one. So yeah, if I had to pick between the two, I'd pick deconduo to be the scum. But there's still time, no worries. | ||
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On April 07 2011 05:37 ilovejonn wrote: oh btw, it wasn't me who got roleblocked. I did not receive any PM's about me getting roleblocked. Besides, why would they RB me and keep me alive. This is uncool. I just realized that we're missing a KP. 1. I got shot (there's mentioning of an explosion in the distance, so that must've been it) - assume RPG 2. Coagulation - RPG 3. Jackal - RPG 4. Tnked - normal hit 5. Kevinconsim - Coag's hit. So we're missing a normal hit. Either the reds hit someone the blacks also did, or the blacks saved an RPG? I don't know. But I don't like it. | ||
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I was just worried that there would be 3 night hits instead of 2. If there's still two, we got this. Deconduo, don't worry, if you're not black, you're not gonna die. | ||
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Worst case scenario is that three people will be left: Kav, you, and jonn. So you three will have to figure it out, if it comes to that. Right now though, we have to get to that point. If tonight goes the way I planned, town wins. Period. But I admit, a lot of sh*t could go wrong. | ||
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Mafia, you're not winning this. We can't make any kind of deal with you to give us the name of whoever you RBed last night, because that can end in you winning the game. My plan should work even if the worst of things happen to town. I'll reveal more tomorrow, before dawn. The only thing I can't prevent is vote buying, but nobody can so... yeah. So, mafia have a choice: - get back at blacks for the whole black market fiasco, tell us who is the confirmed one - hit ilovejonn tonight, risk having blacks win if we're wrong (though, I'm 95% sure we're right about wiggles) - hit a townie, and make us sweat for it. It depends on who is your choice for the win, at this point, blacks or town. | ||
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On April 07 2011 06:06 deconduo wrote: First 80 pages was me trying to get people to not lynch Tack I know, that's the only thing that's keeping my doubt alive about you. | ||
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Look, there is very, very little 100% fool-proof information in this game. So, assuming all three of you are lying (Kav/Wiggles/Decon), then we can say for sure that Kav is the best liar of the three. His story holds water, especially since he had the PM pre-checked 3 days before claiming it. Again, I didn't say you're 100% black. If I had to choose right NOW I would choose Kav as town over you two. But there are 2 more nights and one more day before we get to that point (unless unexpected stuff happens, which is very likely). So it doesn't matter much. | ||
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Sorry, I keep mixing them up. Reds had the puppeteer. Yes, it makes sense. Blacks RBed a red. They probably know something we don't, since they got their roles. So blacks killed tnked with their regular kp, and mafia didn't get to shoot, because the one player with a gun was RBed. Which means that kevin was RBed? | ||
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Right? Right?! Come on, help a copper out! | ||
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ON was the puppeteer. wtf is going on here y mess with my head amber! | ||
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On April 07 2011 07:23 Lanaia wrote: This makes me feel like you're less town. CubeD, what are your thoughts on the above quote? Duh? Have you seen his role-claim attempt? Lol. The only question is, who's the other black: kav or deconduo? Note though, questions like yours make me doubt your alignment, if chaoser hand't confirmed you... | ||
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Thank you to La Poliza and Scumteam for your business. It is greatly appreciated. Have a nice death. That was H3li0s (a.k.a. Wiggles - yes, I know!) Do you really want to have him win? | ||
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Heck, if I was, I might have taken your "hacker" claim seriously. And you're right, I'm not good at analysis, and I'm not gonna start now, when there are 250 pages and two separate factions trying to kill eachother, which makes everyone seem more "towny" than usual. You guys caught a huge break with the extra 2KP that Bum forgot to send in, or game would've been over tonight. | ||
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On April 07 2011 07:53 Lanaia wrote: I know I don't always have the best questions and my track record elsewhere can easily confirm that. I'm sorry that maybe I'm not the best teammate. I have faith in your plan, CubeD. Soon enough it will be night again. If I die, I'm fine with that. My role isn't much of a help now anyways. Also, the assassin had to have been one-shot otherwise I would have died by now. I'm terribly good at stating the obvious and I'm less than great at analysis, though I tried. Maybe the assassin died or maybe they have to kill you during the last day to win it all. Either way, we can't really be bothered with that right now. And don't worry, you're doing great. Your role is very strong right now due to double-vote. Also, I have a surprise for you townsies I trust after the lynch. | ||
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My gf is threatening to move out. I'm starting to think that being awake @ cycle change may not be worth it. | ||
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ENDGAME Part 2: Night time Ok, this part is make or break, so pay attention. Step 1: We have lynched red. I can activate one of the people who voted for him. Step 2: I have ACTIVATED one of you guys (or myself). I’m not going to say who, because scum may try to temper with this, somehow. I will say, though, that said person can now use a KP on someone. You will be informed of this by the host (I hope), so you will know who you are. All you have to do is be the town hero for the night and KILL AMBER[LIGHT] Again, let me make this clear: - Do not talk here regarding this. You know who you are, you know what you have to do. No clues for scum please. - Do not say that “I didn’t get notified” or stuff like that, to let scum narrow their chances. If there’s nothing you HAVE to say during the night, then just keep quiet. Tomorrow I will most likely be dead. But fear not, you have this. All you have to do is lynch Mr.Wiggles. However, you will have to decide who to trust: kav or dec. Please be very clear-minded. I still think that dec is the scum, but I’m not positive. Keep in mind that my vote, at this moment is for deconduo for the second lynch. His story has a huge hole that Kav pointed out: he did not mention that he can kill people. This might mean that the PM is fake. After all, it will be YOUR decision. Just make sure you put your bombs on the right guy, jonn! (if you do not, scum can hit you and take 2 people out after lynching Wiggles. This will inevitably result in town losing the game). Also, the fact that Amber said he should've been RBed makes me think they're fking with us. Mostly because he said he should've been role blocked when I was. Do not fall for this. Think for yourselves. My faith is with you guys. Win this for me! | ||
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On April 07 2011 11:26 Lanaia wrote: Yeah, I would definitely recommend going to bed at a time other than the cycle change. Especially if you care about your girl. Anyhow, no surprise at orgo's flip. I don't understand what it means when he doesn't use the drugs himself. It sounds a lot like the RPGs. It means that he could make someone use their night action twice, but not themselves (mafia). So yeah. Also, I was kidding about my gf. She can't leave, that's what the chain is for. | ||
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On April 07 2011 11:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Cubed, I didn't get notified. WTF I told you not to do this. GOD. Now Wiggles will know! | ||
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Look, I'm not 100% sure about either of you, but right now _it doesn't matter_. We have one shot at winning this, and if her kp doesn't go through then we're screwed anyway, so let's not get too "off the plan" because we don't know what can happen. We can argue about you two after the town hangs wiggles. If it gets to that point. Also, you don't seem to be addressing the fact that your PM said nothing about killing the one that tries to hit you. That's a bigger hole than anything in Kav's case (including his vest LOLOLOLOL!) | ||
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On April 07 2011 20:41 deconduo wrote: Fuck this, if after everything I've done all game you are going to throw it away to a fake role claim, so be it. Town doesn't deserve to win anyway, not after lynching Tack. *pat pat* Don't worry little guy. I did tell you that you won't die by town's hand unless you're black. Have a bit of faith in the brave townsmen, no? | ||
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Yee of little faith. | ||
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At which point the sure way to win is for ilovejonn to place both bombs on kavdragon and lynch ilovejonn. That will make the confirmed townie an instant | ||
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I mean I know Eiii and Lanaia are confirmed, but ilovejonn is only confirmed by his actions. | ||
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On April 08 2011 03:26 ilovejonn wrote: would i really tell everyone to lynch me if i was red/black? I mean the bandwagon on me that day was only switched because of Cubed's plan, I didn't even tell people to switch off of me, if I'm not sure town to you then I don't know what is lol. Heh, I didn't say I think you're scum, I'm just being overly cautious at this point. I know you wanted to get hanged which makes you pretty much confirmed, but I'm just surprised that mafia didn't RB you when you had two bombs on them. That's a pretty huge risk to take. Either way, let's face it, Amber is not gonna help town. They probably Role-Blocked Wiggles last night and now they're laughing it up, knowing that they're both dead as a doornail. And you're both doing a great job at looking town, with serious reasons to doubt any of you. Kev is playing it cool while decon is playing the frustrated townie card. I'm actually quite curios as to which of you will flip black in the end. Especially knowing that it will probably all rely on one guy voting wrong and then that guy (OR GIRL) never hearing the end of it. "Can't believe you lost us Insane Mafia 2 dude...". *giggles* | ||
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If he's scum then he's awfully good at lying. | ||
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You both make fairly decent points. If I was convinced about any of you I'd just tell town: Lynch Wiggles and then Deconduo, and you win the game. Do not pass go do not collect 200, just do those things and you WIN. But instead, I didn't, I said: judge for yourselves. Perhaps that's why I find this decision to be somewhat trivial, because I won't be the one who has to make it. | ||
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Just wait for daylight and convince whoever's left that you're town. ...if you're still alive. | ||
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Each player has a mind of their own. I don't have any hidden evidence which makes me pick between you two, so my guess is as good as any. It will be whoever-is-left's decision. ^_^ Your job as townie is to make them believe you're townie! Again, them, not me. | ||
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You asked for my honest opinion, that is my honest opinion. If I had to vote now, I'd vote you. I may be wrong, and I might change my mind in 2 days if given the chance, but right now the hole in your story seems too huge to cover by everything else. That's my opinion. It's based on the same posts that everyone else saw. They know that, and they should form their own opinions. If they base those on my choice alone, then it's their fault for not having a mind of their own. I never claimed to be a good scum hunter like ver, so I'm just taking things at face value. And right now, Kav's story makes sense, part from some minor errors. Yours doesn't make as much sense, because of that plot hole. It doesn't matter, if you lose this, you can blame kita for writing a poor PM. But, again, I'm tired of writing the same thing over and over again. Just wait and see what happens, maybe we lose it now and this entire conversation will have been in vain. | ||
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[tnked]: so we lost two blues? that sux! [me]: no, we only lost one wat do you mean?! [lsb]: 2nd blue dies horrible death [tnked]: >.> [tnked]: <.< [me]: -____- | ||
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On April 08 2011 09:30 GMarshal wrote: [spectral voice] I saw that ban and thought the same thing aidnai, also the night is almost over ^_^ I wonder who will be joining me in the graveyard tonight. [/spectral voice] If i'm coming there you're all my bitches! I gotta find the biggest guy and beat him up first, though. | ||
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If town still has a shot, take down wiggles and then figure out who's the last one. Though LSB seems to be hyper active so I guess town lost or something. Pity. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:08 LSB wrote: Just saying. Someone forgot to use the 3 RPGs. And also the reds and blacks didn't fight too much at night but rather manipulated the town vote to kill each other That's just because we managed to get hold of the RPGs, they could have ended up with mafia and the ending would have been the same. Also, I call bs on the fact that blacks could not use RPGs but then could use RPGs. Typical on-the-fly-game-balancing. >_< | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:10 GMarshal wrote: I can cut out the ghost stuff now, right? Anyway, Cube, reds fucked the town over pretty good, blues fucked up their shots and frankly the black team being bulletproof *and* having bulletproof vests made it insanely difficult to kill them. If there was any quibbles I had is that blacks should die to regular kps But frankly the town played pretty damn badly too. you missed the fact that ON was an obvious bus to save kav. ON didn't defend himself or even vote for Kav. Either way gg, I had fun. Damn the mafia for killing me night 1. Hey, don't blame me for the bus, I was the one that wanted to kill Kav. I was the last one to switch as well. It was everyone else that had doubts. I only got mine afterwards, when dec seemed scummy. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:12 bumatlarge wrote: Hey busing the RPGs would have been to easy, I wanted to make it exciting! i hate you. two nights in a row you forgot to send actions in. you'll never be mayor again! | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:13 Kavdragon wrote: I'd like to point out now, that the only people who really did analysis, were Meapak, Originalname, and myself. WTF town? You did NO analysis? town had 3 lynches and 2 night kills on the money. 5/6 = gg! not to mention the hit bum would've made if he wasn't so goofy. heck. I'm considering this a win! | ||
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I declare myself the sole winner. Can't fight the cheating mods though! | ||
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So many things went to shit in the last 2-3 days. Insanious dies because why the fuck not. Blacks get RPGs and are able to use them. Town still has a shot to win? No matter, blacks get 4 kps during the last night! ?!? I'm a sad, sad, panda. I feel that everything I did and all the time I spent was in vain. I think I'll opt out of the other game and take a break. | ||
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and drawing a pistol from his now tattered suit. “LSB” Wiggles shouted, eyes never leaving Cubedin pshhh, I'm bulletproof bisch! *stabs* | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:50 Kavdragon wrote: List of OP's: Town: Allowed to post PM's from MODs Instantly confirmed six townies (Blues + BG's) Plus those in the item game. Tons of BA roles (like Beneather) Black: BP Red: NOTHING (Sorry guys, you kinda were screwed) The black market could have been won by anyone. While blacks may have had an advantage because of the BP, they also had BOTH factions trying to kill them. (Reds and Blues had to kill Black to win BM) The fact that we got away with selling out RPG's and not having them shot was a BIG fail by town. You're mistakes made us OP. No offense kav, but this is why I thought you were telling the truth in the role PM You spell "you're" instead of your a lot. And Kita never does. So I decided your PM was authentic. I didn't think you'd take bits and pieces from the real one. That was the biggest clue by which I let the vendetta against you go. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:53 kitaman27 wrote: Cube, I understand you are frustrated, but try to think of it from another perspective. You were a mod confirmed town bulletproof detective. Rarely, will you see town given a role so powerful. Insanious did not die randomly. He was lynched by the arena game. Blacks were not given RPG's out of the blue. They won them as a result of the item game. You act as if we were conspiring against town or something. You certainly played well, but a town victory was no way near impossible. No, I get that, it's all bum's fault. But I don't get how they managed to get 4 kps in the last night. (1 on lanaia, 1 on jonn = kav's KP and then the knife, but the two on deconduo?!) | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:57 kitaman27 wrote: They had a single kp on lanaia. Upon her death, Kav's assassin role requirement was met and he received a single additional kp to use during the day on john. As it was 2v2, neither side would be able to pull off a lynch so the game would go to night cycle where black holds the only kp to use on deconduo. Oh I see, because in the mafia thread you told them they can't win @ 1v1. That's why I thought they can't win @ 2v2 either. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:57 Kavdragon wrote: Pandain got a higher score in tetris than Insanious did, so he won his vote. Pandain made him vote Insanious. rofl. still a bit unfair that bot didn't get a say in the arena game. as a townie, you wouldn't vote for a confirmed townie. I mean, I get why it worked out that way, but in that stage of the game, no matter what alignment the bot had, it would've voted out pandain, were he a human. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:59 Lanaia wrote: So Eiii killed amber then, right? I thought you were legitimately giving someone a KP. I was so confused. Then you said "she" so I was all "WTF did I get a KP?" Yeah it's pretty much fail that amber used his KP on town. I don't see why he'd side with the blacks when he could've gotten back at them. | ||
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i'm just trying to figure out what town could've done better, because if you only blame the RPGs, then mafia could've bought those, and then town would've been 100% screwed? | ||
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On April 08 2011 12:05 GMarshal wrote: RPGs were intended to enable the mafia to kill the black, which is why the reds *should* have bought them and gone black hunting one night. obviously the reds had a different agenda. # of blacks killed by reds = 0 | ||
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On April 08 2011 12:08 bumatlarge wrote: Alright enough, I sent in the stuff at 10:05 and kita told me it was too late. My head wasn't completely in the game at that time and I didnt think it would be that big of an issue. I was wrong. My bad. The only thing I did was prolong the game and made blacks the victor in complete ignorance. Im sorry if I wasted anyone's time during that stretch. I never went against my win condition, it was just at that particular moment that mafia wasn't prioritized. It's insane mafia, and for its reputation, I think LSB and kitaman did a fantastic job setting everything up to make for an enjoyably insane game. I wouldn't read too much into the balance. But you did it twice! + Show Spoiler + | ||
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From the town's point of view there was no reason to hit one guy over the other. It was all about luck with the DT checks. | ||
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