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On March 28 2011 23:28 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 23:27 deconduo wrote:On March 28 2011 23:25 tnkted wrote: I'm still on page 14 but theres an important point that nobody has brought up yet: Scum thought that annul was using his bomb. Thats why the bussed coag to annul, not because they wanted annul gone or anything, but because they wanted coag to die. If the driver works the normal way it was tack and annul that were bussed. Bussing switches the action's targets, not the people performing the action. yes, but it would change coag from shooting tack to shooting annul. As such, the bomb would kill coag. Switching the players doesnt matter, what matters for annul's item was switching the targets.
Yes, that was my point. Driver would die if he visited annul.
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On March 28 2011 23:34 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 23:31 deconduo wrote:On March 28 2011 22:50 Jackal58 wrote:On March 28 2011 22:44 deconduo wrote:On March 28 2011 22:42 Jackal58 wrote:On March 28 2011 22:38 Rean wrote:On March 28 2011 22:25 Jackal58 wrote:On March 28 2011 22:20 Rean wrote:On March 28 2011 22:10 Jackal58 wrote:On March 28 2011 21:59 Rean wrote: I love the silence when I ask you to give reasons for your blind tunneling. You really are just randomly gambling and hoping you get lucky, aren't you? I promised 2 out of 3. 1 down 1 to go. Tack is scum. If I got there by hook or by crook or just dumb luck it doesn't really matter. What are your reasons for presenting a multitude of what if scenarios and pointless circular arguments? I have a destination. You have nothing. Who do you think people are going to believe, the guy giving arguments, reasons and explanations as motivation to have Lemon lynched, or the guy blindly tunneling Tackster constantly saying "dw guys, he's defo scum, just trust me" not giving anyone any reason to trust him? Coag shot Tackster Tackster stole my item because he thought it was a gun. Tackster was protected by a bus driver. Tackster admits to his theft. If he were town why would he feel compelled to steal from me? But this has all been put out there before. Over and over again. You are either terrified of being wrong or scum. I'm leaning towards scum. Regarding the stealing: as both red and green he would have a reason to stay alive. As red because obviously he would want to win his team the item-game. As green because him dying would bring it to a 4 player scenario, where one day lynch and a double night-hit could decide the item game. As town he couldn't have known he was gonna get bussed so he would've assumed that there would still be 5 players. Conclusion: regardless of Tackster's alignment, he would've stolen your item. Your argument is worthless. If he were town he wouldn't have been bussed. He would have stolen my band aid and coag would have shot him and this whole damn thing would have been over with. But it's actually a good thing to watch and see who continues to defend him. Why not? Pretend Tack is town and Lemon is the mafia. WHAT WOULD MAFIA DO? Don't avoid this question in any way. Just give me your honest opinion on what mafia would do. Let me shoot tack. Then I get lynched. Situation 1:LemonTackCoagJackal Situation 2:LemonCoagJackalAnnulYou are saying that Lemon would prefer to be in situation 2? You think he would find it easier to lynch you if it was situation 2 over lynching Tack in situation 1? Yes. Half of you guys are still convinced I'm scum anyways.
Is that why you have 15 people voting to lynch you? Get off your high horse and use your brain. You don't listen. You don't think. You don't reason. You don't use logic.
Why would Tack bus to annul? Annul was the most likely to support him out of all four. It makes perfect sense if any of Jackal/LW/Coag are mafia to bus to annul. The only person it doesn't make sense for is if Tack is mafia.
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On March 29 2011 01:04 tnkted wrote: Who do we see supporting jackal on this? Who is supporting jackal even after Bum accused lemon?
Rean and Decon. Scum. Coag. Played for fool.
You know, this would have been a lot more emphatic if it wasn't for the fact that you obviously have been reading the thread wrong.
Myself and Rean are the ones who are saying Jackal is wrong, not the ones supporting him.
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How can someone DT check and shoot in one night?
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On March 29 2011 01:33 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 01:28 deconduo wrote: How can someone DT check and shoot in one night? Black has 1 kp plus roles. Black shot GM and did an alignment check on annul. They got a red check back on a dead guy. Twinkles devises bs plan to end IG in a tie. No items to anybody.
I think he's telling the truth about bussing bum + LW. It makes sense. Is it worth it for black to sacrifice 1/3 of their team to kill the item game?
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On March 29 2011 01:35 CubEdIn wrote: Yeah, no.
I do believe that you're the bus driver and have switched bum and lemon, otherwise the lemon check wouldn't have made sense in a LOT of scenarios.
Now, we still need to figure out why Tack didn't die. Two bus drivers might be a bit much indeed. The only thing is, mafia thought Jackal would hit, not Coag, so whatever happened, couldn't have been a spell cast on Coag.
Jackal and Lemon both knew it was Coag shooting.
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On March 29 2011 01:39 tnkted wrote:Actually, I think I need to be killed... if mafia can mind control they could just use me to shift targets around every night. Didn't think that one through when I posted it.
That would explain LSB saying
'DO NOT ROLE CLAIM UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES'
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@Jackal, Coag
How would the mind control ability affect your plan to confirm each other?
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On March 29 2011 02:20 chaoser wrote: 1) Why did Tackster get bussed to annul? Don't know, something changed Coag's target from Tack to annul though
2) Why was annul shot twice if Tackster was bus? Don't know yet
3) Why does annul have the mood ring and why didn't Tackster say he got it stolen? Annul stole it and LSB didn't take that into account
and finally 4) Why did LW show up as blue from a check? Tntked claims he bussed Lemon and Bum and so when DTs checked lemon, it came up blue
I have a question for tnkt, why did you bus Lemon and Bum?
Tnkted said that he bussed them because he thought mafia would try to kill lemon.
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Here's the biggest thing to be taken away from tnkted's claim:
If he is telling the truth, Tack is pretty much confirmed to be town. He is the only one in the item game that didn't know Coag was the one that actually had the gun.
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Oh, and this is niggling me too:
'Someone wasn't as sucess full at killing people'
Why split successful into two words? Feels like a hint/clue.
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One last thing, alignment PMs:
Annul:
You are just a townie minding your own business. Twiddle your thumbs, try to seem clean or something.
GMarshal:
You are part of the town Kingdom. The ruler of the kingdom, Redacted has contacted you, you are his bodyguard. You may PM the other subjects of the Town Kingdom, Redacted
Mine:
You are a normal townie, sit tight, you'll get your role in 24 hours
Darm:You are the third party. You are backed by a powerful corporation seeking control from the mafia. You win by outnumbering everyone else in the game. As Third party you are bulletproof. Your comrades in black are REDACTED
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On March 29 2011 02:40 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 02:36 deconduo wrote: Here's the biggest thing to be taken away from tnkted's claim:
If he is telling the truth, Tack is pretty much confirmed to be town. He is the only one in the item game that didn't know Coag was the one that actually had the gun.
Why is he confirmed town again?
He didn't know coag had the gun.
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On March 29 2011 02:45 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 02:42 deconduo wrote:One last thing, alignment PMs: Annul: You are just a townie minding your own business. Twiddle your thumbs, try to seem clean or something. GMarshal: You are part of the town Kingdom. The ruler of the kingdom, Redacted has contacted you, you are his bodyguard. You may PM the other subjects of the Town Kingdom, Redacted Mine: You are a normal townie, sit tight, you'll get your role in 24 hours Darm: You are the third party. You are backed by a powerful corporation seeking control from the mafia. You win by outnumbering everyone else in the game. As Third party you are bulletproof. Your comrades in black are REDACTED Your pm was for the waiting, Annul's PM was because he didn't get any powers at all due to being in the item game. Annul got your pm as well initially, and you got another PM describing your powers after the one you linked. GMarshal's pm was the power-describing one aswell, same as Darmousseh.
I got one alignment PM, which is the one I posted. My role PM was completely separate. Its possible that IG players got an extra alignment PM so I may be mistaken.
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On March 29 2011 02:45 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 02:42 Insanious wrote:On March 29 2011 02:40 chaoser wrote:On March 29 2011 02:36 deconduo wrote: Here's the biggest thing to be taken away from tnkted's claim:
If he is telling the truth, Tack is pretty much confirmed to be town. He is the only one in the item game that didn't know Coag was the one that actually had the gun.
Why is he confirmed town again? Because Tack was the only one who thought that Jackal would shoot him. As well, the bus driver bussed lemon + bum This would mean that coag was mind controlled. Meaning the mafia needed to know who was shooting. This would mean either jackal or lemon is mafia, as they were the only two that knew coag would shoot. Operative statement being: This would mean that coag was mind controlled.We don't know if that's true or not. If it is true then yeah, Tack is probably town.
Yes, but I can't think of any other explanation for it. Coag claimed to have shot Tack and in the day post it clearly suggests that he was fucked with.
With the driver its the targets that get swapped, and the driver is mentioned later on in the day post too.
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On March 29 2011 02:55 Lanaia wrote: How does Tackster not knowing Coag had a gun mean he's confirmed town? I'm still a little confused by that bit.
The person who redirected Coag must have known Coag was the one with the gun. If Tack was the mafia he would have used it on Jackal instead,
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On March 29 2011 02:57 tnkted wrote: OK the alignment PMs worked like this (as far as I can tell):
LSB pmed the "twiddle your thumbs, try to seem clean or something' alignment pm while kita pmed the 'sit tight' one. When I set up my breadcrumbing in my first few posts I was using my alignment PM, the twiddle your thumbs one. Coag, who had recieved kita's pm instead, breadcrumbed to me and I didn't notice since I only had knowledge of lsb's pm.
So the sit tight phrase was not part of my plan at all.
Therefore, the results of the PM breadcrumbs were:
Lemon & annul, who recieved their PMs from LSB, immediately picked up my clues. Coag laid a breadcrumb of his own ('sit tight, i'll go over your posts') which i missed but insanious picked up on immediately, confirming them both Jackal refused to play Tack also dropped a 'sit tight' breadcrumb.
However, tack dropped his sit tight breadcrumb after coag and insanious had already confirmed that was a clue word, so he could have just been clever. Tack isn't clear. Jackal isn't clear because he didn't play the game.
Tack had my PM pretty much spot on, including the green highlighting of the word townie. Same for Jackal.
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On March 29 2011 03:01 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:00 deconduo wrote:On March 29 2011 02:57 tnkted wrote: OK the alignment PMs worked like this (as far as I can tell):
LSB pmed the "twiddle your thumbs, try to seem clean or something' alignment pm while kita pmed the 'sit tight' one. When I set up my breadcrumbing in my first few posts I was using my alignment PM, the twiddle your thumbs one. Coag, who had recieved kita's pm instead, breadcrumbed to me and I didn't notice since I only had knowledge of lsb's pm.
So the sit tight phrase was not part of my plan at all.
Therefore, the results of the PM breadcrumbs were:
Lemon & annul, who recieved their PMs from LSB, immediately picked up my clues. Coag laid a breadcrumb of his own ('sit tight, i'll go over your posts') which i missed but insanious picked up on immediately, confirming them both Jackal refused to play Tack also dropped a 'sit tight' breadcrumb.
However, tack dropped his sit tight breadcrumb after coag and insanious had already confirmed that was a clue word, so he could have just been clever. Tack isn't clear. Jackal isn't clear because he didn't play the game.
Tack had my PM pretty much spot on, including the green highlighting of the word townie. Same for Jackal. As I recall, Tack posted a breadcrumb, not the actual PM... could you find that for me? I'd look myself but im in class and shouldn't be typing. :X
This one:
On March 26 2011 14:34 Tackster wrote: As a townie I am sitting tight till i get more information...
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On March 29 2011 03:17 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:16 tnkted wrote:On March 29 2011 03:14 Insanious wrote:On March 29 2011 03:12 tnkted wrote: Wait actually, theres no way that hits on bum could be shifted to his BGs... Mafia could just use both hits on bum and then have mind control shift coags gun to bum.
We don't know if the hit was on bum or on lemon. Theres no way to tell because both would have blocked the shot. But GMarshal would only die if it was bussed from Lemon to Bum If it shot lemon, lemon would of just blocked the shot. THis is unless Kav is lying. Then it would of been 1) 1 Shot on Annul 2) 1 Shot on Tack shifted to Annul 3) 1 Shot on Bum bussed to Lemon 4) 1 Shot on GMarshal Yep, This is what i was saying. Kav must be lying. Gmarshal died because he was targeted. Why, if you bus a shot from lemon -> bum. Then bum's body guard would take the shot and die... that's how it works.
In general, thats not how bodyguards work. If the mayor gets shot when the bodyguards are alive, nothing happens. The bodyguard doesn't jump in and die instead. It might be different in this game but I doubt it. Especially as kita told tnkted it wasn't like that.
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On March 29 2011 03:24 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:23 Insanious wrote:On March 29 2011 03:19 Rean wrote:Well, looks like people aren't really using their items well. Only one person was able to use his item. Only problem is that he found himself in the wrong place. He stood over the dead body of Annul and wondered what happened. And why was there two bullets when he only loaded one in his gun? And what's up with all the blood smeared on him? Then, we have Coagulation's shot. He claims this was fired at Tackster. There was no bus-driver to swap them around, and since Tackster was still alive, this is obviously bullshit. Lying about who you fired on, that's not very nice of you, Coagulation. Care to explain? fail reading fail Care explaining what i misread rather then just saying i failed?
Coag stood over the dead body of annul and wondered what happened. Clearly not indicative of freely choosing to shoot him.
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