On April 04 2011 09:47 CubEdIn wrote:
Also, Town has to pick:

1. Do we trade ilovejohn for a red?

Due to the state of things, I think it's BETTER to lynch Kav and let the reds/blacks waste a KP/RB on him.

Mafia are not the main issue here. Blacks are.

Just vote me and do the trade. Even if we vote Kav and make them waste a KP/RB on me so what? I am not some kind of analysis God and keeping me alive isn't going to change much for town. I'd rather we deal with me earlier instead of playing WIFOM later on and be like "oh no should we kill him to blow scum up, oh no what if he's black etc." There are almost 3 to 5 people that are pretty much scum by the way they post and by confirmation of other roles that we can lynch in the coming Days. Keeping me alive is not that important. I think the more important part will be discussing about the Arena, because they would be choosing who to throw in next.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

April 04 2011 01:04 GMT

#4124

On April 04 2011 10:02 ilovejonn wrote:

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You don't understand. I don't want to keep you alive because I like you, or because I think you're useful. (no offense though, you're ok!)

I want to keep you alive because that would force blacks to waste a KP on you, and scum to waste a RB on you. Thus keeping the more important townies safer.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

April 04 2011 01:08 GMT

#4125

P.S.: one town + one mafia down = 2 less votes for the next lynch which should be a black.

tnkted

United States1359 Posts

April 04 2011 01:17 GMT

#4126

Nobody should vote in that poll. We need to post our votes in this thread so that we know who voted for what.

tnkted

United States1359 Posts

April 04 2011 01:18 GMT

#4127

On April 04 2011 10:08 CubEdIn wrote:
P.S.: one town + one mafia down = 2 less votes for the next lynch which should be a black.

This is actually a very good point.

I'm still waiting on what the other confirmed townies think before i change my vote though.

Does day end tonight or tomorrow?

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

April 04 2011 01:19 GMT

#4128

On April 04 2011 10:18 tnkted wrote:

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This is actually a very good point.

I'm still waiting on what the other confirmed townies think before i change my vote though.

Does day end tonight or tomorrow?

About 25 hours remaining.

tnkted

United States1359 Posts

April 04 2011 01:20 GMT

#4129

Ok good.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

April 04 2011 01:22 GMT

#4130

Let the poll be.
There's one opinion for this (coming from jonn himself I believe) and 4 votes in the thread for yes already (with no clarification of why we should).

Guess what the scum wants us to do?

ilovejonn

Canada2548 Posts

April 04 2011 01:26 GMT

#4131

Aight, whatever. I'm having a headache calculating KP and scenarios. I'll just vote tmr and I'll keep my bombs the way they are for whatever happens. As long as town-aligned votes are in unity today's votes should still be in town's hands. If you want to vote Kav, you ALL need to vote Kav, if you want to vote me, you ALL have to vote me. Don't fall apart as a team or else scum can use their votes to do what they think is the best option.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

April 04 2011 01:27 GMT

#4132

@jonn if it makes you feel better, blacks will prolly shoot you anyway, because they're getting 2 for 1. It's just that it takes a KP away from the town members.

Eiii

United States2566 Posts

April 04 2011 01:32 GMT

#4133

tomorrow

It wouldn't be one town + one mafia, it'd be one black + one ??? + one town (assuming the whole kav-didn't-die-to-one-bomb thing means he's black).

If mafia knows/thinks the ??? is a town then they have no reason to roleblock ilj or hit him.
If mafia knows the ??? is one of their own they're just going to RB ilj OR maybe protect their guy somehow (don't think they have the means to do this) and hit kav, hoping it double stacks.
If blacks know/think the ??? is red then blacks'll probably hit ilj and protect kav with the vest thing they got from the black market.

If ilj blows up at night then reds/blacks FOR SURE have a response that keeps them from getting hurt. Unless we kill ilj now, no scum are going to die to his bombs.
We can't even reliably tell if he's going to have a hit or RB used on him. Depending on who the bombs are on, scum might not even care if he explodes or not.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

April 04 2011 01:32 GMT

#4134

On April 04 2011 10:22 CubEdIn wrote:
Let the poll be.
There's one opinion for this (coming from jonn himself I believe) and 4 votes in the thread for yes already (with no clarification of why we should).

Guess what the scum wants us to do?

Scum wants us to kill John.
I think I'm with you on this Cube. I'd rather scum have to deal with John at night.
Lynch the known quantity. Let scum fret over who or what John may be. Forces black to use their KP on red. Forces red to use their rb on john. I see it as a better win situation for town.

Eiii

United States2566 Posts

April 04 2011 01:34 GMT

#4135

actually the more I think about it the less I think we should lynch john today. If we lynch kav we get a black for sure-- if we lynch ilj then we get kav probably (it could be something else protecting kav-- blacks did just get some pretty cool items from the black market, but this seems unlikely given how the mods have commented and the items we know were in the market) and AT BEST one red (which might hurt us more than help us)

Eiii

United States2566 Posts

April 04 2011 01:35 GMT

#4136

ninja'd

Eiii

United States2566 Posts

April 04 2011 01:36 GMT

#4137

everyone's going to know exactly where ilj's bombs are though, so it's not like he's a huge scary unknown to scum-- they're going to know if he's a threat or not and deal with him appropriately tonight. The best way we could set this up would be if we can get red+black fighting by hitting him/rbing him/stacking kp on his targets/etc.

I assume we want to move his bombs around though, right?

ilovejonn

Canada2548 Posts

April 04 2011 01:39 GMT

#4138

Can I stack 2 bombs on the same person, and will a black player die during the night if my two bombs are stacked on the black player and it blows up?

orgolove

Vatican City State1650 Posts

April 04 2011 01:48 GMT

#4139

You know. I know this is insane mafia, but the black market was... the very definition of imbalance. -_-

There was no way for us to avoid revealing our names within the first few days of the game.

Anyway.

I really dislike playing with players who just do random shit. There was -no- evidence Meapak was a red. Sure, you got lucky this game, but 9 out of 10 games you're just going to screw up your own side.

It really makes me pissed off how shit happens on a dice roll.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

April 04 2011 01:50 GMT

#4140

On April 04 2011 10:36 Eiii wrote:
everyone's going to know exactly where ilj's bombs are though, so it's not like he's a huge scary unknown to scum-- they're going to know if he's a threat or not and deal with him appropriately tonight. The best way we could set this up would be if we can get red+black fighting by hitting him/rbing him/stacking kp on his targets/etc.

I assume we want to move his bombs around though, right?

Ya. I'd say Original Name and Orgolove.
Although blacks will have a better choice of shots if that's the case. Reds could be destroyed tonight. Or they may decide to just hit townies and let red deal with John.

If we have a good idea who another black is we can have John bomb him and Coag shoot him.

Or we do have a 3rd option. We can vote Lanaia and force her to activate her role. I have no fuc[b][/bking clue what may or may not happen if that occurs. She did say that if more than 50% of the lynch was on her she would claim. I'm assuming this is her criteria for activation.