EPTI have no love for orgoscum
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
I have no love for orgoscum | ||
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tnkted
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
On April 02 2011 13:24 tnkted wrote: Blues, could you give us your reads? if you guys die we're gonna need some vet advice. :/ I thought they already did? Or do you mean like who do they think is town, etc etc? | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
Once the item game was announced, Insanious posted a bunch of stuff (look over those posts) and revealed his old role and said that he was now town-sided. Since Brown Bear flipped green and his revealed alignment/role pm line up with what Insanious claimed, it seems to me that Insanious can be trusted. Brown Bear was also a lyncher/angry-villager that was trying to get Insanious lynched (that's redacted in the night post now, but I saw it before LSB edited it :D). If anyone in the arena is scum it's probably Pandain, who fill in for RoL. RoL used the excuse of being busy for not doing much of anything to help town, but it could just as easily have been because he's scum. Hard to tell. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
btw Lanaia I'm going to take a look at you. Your several posts haven't made me feel to good especially this one: Sorry, I couldn't decide whom to make an analysis on and all my dice rolls on the topic didn't appear to work that well (ie EVERY SINGLE TIME I HIT A DEAD PERSON). My top 5 Mafia/Third Party reads are as follows (in no particular order, but top 5 for sure): i. Amber[Light] ii. orgolove iii. beneather's slot (now a bot?) iv. kevconsim v. kenpachi This just feels off, I'll take a closer look at you now. People apparently passed over it but ilovejonn claimed hatter. Assuming he's telling the truth (no reason for him to lie) I wanna know what we all think about killing him with the town gun. No need to claim if you have it but what does everyone think about that? Someone was talking about using the gun as a town lynch and I see this as an excellent oppertunity. ILJ placed his bombs on two great targets imo and if the gun person kills him now then we don't have to waste a lynch on him tomorrow. | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
On April 02 2011 13:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Coag and tnkted could you please give me reasons why I'm scum? I've done waaay more to help the town than either of you. Coag all you've done is prolonged the item game with your failed reads and tnkted prevented us from killing lemonwalrus earlier. I have a feeling both of you are town and I wouldn't OMGUS you guys even if I wasn't sure but I would still like some actual reasons instead of just lists. btw Lanaia I'm going to take a look at you. Your several posts haven't made me feel to good especially this one: This just feels off, I'll take a closer look at you now. People apparently passed over it but ilovejonn claimed hatter. Assuming he's telling the truth (no reason for him to lie) I wanna know what we all think about killing him with the town gun. No need to claim if you have it but what does everyone think about that? Someone was talking about using the gun as a town lynch and I see this as an excellent oppertunity. ILJ placed his bombs on two great targets imo and if the gun person kills him now then we don't have to waste a lynch on him tomorrow. It said 'great post" He was joking. It was April Fool's day. | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
On April 02 2011 13:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: btw Lanaia I'm going to take a look at you. Your several posts haven't made me feel to good especially this one: This just feels off, I'll take a closer look at you now. May I ask why it feels off? Maybe my reads are wrong. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
I put you on my list of blacks pretty early in the game, and you havent worked your way off of it, btw. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
I'm just glad we finally won the IG, so we can move on to finding the other scum in the game. We ended up devoting entire days just arguing over who was the one scum left there, to the detriment of everything else. I'm going to be looking over Meapak's analysis, and will contribute my own thoughts on a couple people, time permitting. (A couple essays due this weekend  ) | ||
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kevconsim
United States317 Posts
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
On April 02 2011 13:51 Lanaia wrote: It said 'great post" He was joking. It was April Fool's day. Ermmmm I did mean to say Apr. Fool. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
I still feel that we have a great chance, now that we have all the items from the item game. I'm considering my options - remember, this is insane mafia, and I don't want to get second guessed by another rule change or some hidden sub-game that is gonna be revealed to me later. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
The arena: Town's second lynch. Past: Why did BB die? Insanious, you are fairly cleared as a townie, but I want to know why you voted BB. Pandain, You are not cleared, so you'd better have a damn good reason for voting him. The only analysis that i remembered being done on BB was by meapak, and it showed him as most likely being town. (HERE) Why was there no real discussion amongst yourselves? Were you active in PM's? Present: Who should die now? Right, Pandain seems to be the obvious arena lynch, here's why: Three people are in the arena to start. It would be stupidly unfair to us the town, (especially if we are behind like the Cubedin is saying), if all three of them were townies. I seriously doubt that LSB would force us to lynch a townie with that. This means that of the three original people in the ring, one almost certainly scum. BrownBear was killed, and flipped green. He's as clear as they get. Insanious had his whole Villiage Idiot thing, and then his role was switched. We are still at 6/6 Mafia according to the OP, so I'm pretty dang sure that this clears him. Pandain replaced a lurker veteran player, and procceded to post spam. (Halarious spam, but spam nonetheless). He FoS'ed Cubedin (lol), and otherwise has made no contributions to speak of. Even without taking my theory of scum being in the original fight into account, he still looks scummy. ## Fight: Pandain Future: Who do we add to the ring? This is actually kind of a nice mechanic, because it will give us something to talk about at night. I think that we should approach this as a second "night lynch". It will be different in that the person will have a full day cycle to defend them self once they are put into the ring (assuming pandain is killed tomorrow, the addition will have that whole day to defend himself, and the next addition the next day and so forth.) This will be an excellent way to pressure people, because we show that we are ready to lynch them by putting them into the ring, but they will still have time to defend themselves if they are innocent. At any rate, I think that we should decide by discussing it in thread, then letting the blues make the final decision. They will be with us for tonight at least, so that will work for now. After then I'd say that we should turn final decisions over to confirmed townies, but i'm hesitant to give that power to jackal or eiii. Oddly enough, I'd be half comfortable with coag, as I've seen him build pretty good scum lists early in games before. He can be a little over confident, and he's not great at making a case, but his scumdar is better than many people. We should discuss amongst ourselves, and let the blues make the final decision tl;dr Brownbears killing needs to be explained Pandain should be killed tomorrow We need to decide TONIGHT who to put into the ring. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
I think that he's certainly worth putting into the ring. Other people who I think might be worth looking into are Amber[light] and Kevconsim. I believe someone claimed Kev, but if it's not out sooner or later I'm taking it. FoS those who think that Meapak is mafia. It's possible that he's black, but if you even half of the analysis he's done, it's glaringly obvious he's not scum. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
and IM UN FOSABLE and i will probably die tonight if i dont get med prot | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On April 02 2011 13:51 Lanaia wrote: It said 'great post" He was joking. It was April Fool's day. Apl. Fools gets wordfiltered into 'great post', too-- that wasn't a serious post at all. | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
I'll give you them, then. I'm trying to find a way to isolate a specific user’s posts (impossible, I know). Without further ado, here are my reasons! Amber[LighT]: + Show Spoiler + i. Amber[Light] - This week, this person has had a total of 18 posts. All of those posts were in this game (both threads), it appears. He also only has 18 posts in this thread (including pre-game convo). Post quality wasn't very... helpful until recently: On March 27 2011 00:40 Amber[LighT] wrote: I think it should be up to the item game players to battle it out amongst each other in the thread. It's harder for the other 20+ players to just jump in and start throwing punches. [...] We should be focusing on other things like finding scummy players within the thread. The first part of this quote makes less sense to me now that I've reread the thread. Honestly, people not involved in the IG were easily able to "throw punches." In fact, most people did it, or at least attempted to. The second part is something I agree with. However, he never went back to us and made reads or tried to find scum. I mean, it's kind of hard to find scum if you're not posting more than approximately once every 10 pages. Example: On March 30 2011 06:07 Amber[LighT] wrote: FOS Jackal or Coag and see what players become the most paranoid. Honestly Deconduo can you really blame me for the hardcore lurking? Excessive posts are extremely excessive. There's clearly a bunch of nooby mafia players in this game but the spam fest continues and continues. This is overwhelming. Remember guys less is more and this isn't a quantity battle. The game is not to see who screams the loudest. I think the item game has really added a mind-fuck mechanic to this game that has got people going bonkers looking for one mafia member. I'm actually hoping that by tomorrow the item game is pretty much a thing of the past. I also realize that the only way to have a townie win is to get rid of the mafioso in the group. Tack seems to be the best target, but don't forget.....When this item game is over, the mafia player in that game knows he is probably outted and more or less dead anyway. Would he even bother to put up a fight? Does an item game victory guarantee the mafia enough to salvage 1 life? Is tack just allowing himself to sink? I mean yah he's trying to keep himself alive but no one is really going towards his aid anyway. If the town consensus is to go ahead and lynch Tack then I'll vote that way. He's either been abandoned by his own team or he's alone already and no one wants to really stick out their neck for him. It probably wasn't best for Amber to FOS Coag. Jackal wouldn't've been too bad at the time. I know that, well, 186 pages of content is a lot, but still... 18 posts? That's it? You really need a lot more in the way of postings. ALSO, Amber has been repeatedly getting people mixed up [See: Annul and GMarshal]. I know that that alone isn't a scum tell, but I feel town would be more considerate in this manner as to know for sure who was what within their own faction, no? It could change reads, I'm sure. orgolove: + Show Spoiler + ii. orgolove – Yes, he’s got more than the 18 posts Amber has (he’s got 24), but they were more concentrated during the beginning stages of the game I felt (read: mostly when we were electing and lynching Tack). He also got several bits of information wrong. On March 28 2011 14:30 orgolove wrote: I'm going off of last reasonable information I remember. I have not yet had a chance to read over the other 50 pages of posts, but still want to contribute. I'm just bringing into discussion the fact that he so strongly supported the clear blue even before most of the town was for him, and further made a lot of high information posts - all pretty strong contra-indicators of scum. I see a bandwagon forming so easily without too much opposition, and my innate sense from being tricked so many times before makes me believe that we might be led by the nose without even realizing it. Jackal's accusations may just be a sign of his frustration at being labeled anti-town despite his efforts that he put in the first days of this game. Hell, I sympathize with him a lot - in my first game I tried to set up a giant spreadsheet in a game with 40 people, and got nothing but grief at the hands of a lot of players, which certainly made me really frustrated. Would a red or a black fight so hard and spend so much time in his first game to fight for a confirmed mason to be in the position of a mayor? As town, it is typically wiser to have the correct and up-to-date information on any game-related topic, is it not? I know, it can be hard to have time, but I find it unneeded to type up a moderately long post before reading and having absolutely correct information in relation to the current flow of the game. Orgolove, may I ask, what did you want to include in that spreadsheet in your other game? Now, he’s apologizing for his lack of activity and he’s just as confused about the new mechanics as the rest of us. In fact, his last two posts both apologized for inactivity. I know that in and of itself isn’t necessarily a scum tell, but as people have said about people, excuses could mean scum. Beneather's slot: + Show Spoiler + iii. beneather's slot (now a bot?) - He had literally seven posts during the game. Maybe the search function failed me, but I can’t see any more than that. Either he just didn’t give a damn about the game or he was scum. Or possibly both. kevconsim: + Show Spoiler + iv. kevconsim – This is his most recent post: On April 02 2011 15:09 kevconsim wrote: been really busy im gonna read through the last 40 pages. The vast majority of kevconsim’s posts have been short and pointless, just like the one above. He won’t give any analysis or any info without first being asked to. He’s been saying that he has to read and reread pages and gives us very little information through reading him language or through hearing his thoughts. I’ve thought he was scum for the majority of the game. I can’t see that changing anytime soon. kenpachi + Show Spoiler + v. kenpachi - repeatedly called himself useless and then didn't try to rectify that. Just like kevconsim, a lot of his posts have been short and pointless. On March 31 2011 14:23 Kenpachi wrote: god damn it. was Grok really Blue? (no im not the assassin) /slit The fact he even bothered to say that he isn’t the assassin kinda bothers me. I didn’t think of him as an assassin beforehand, but now it’s definitely implanted in my mind that it is a legitimate possibility. I’m having a hard time finding a post that is really worth analyzing. His analysis on iGrok in the very beginning wasn’t very great but that might be because it was early on. In addition: On March 26 2011 07:36 Kenpachi wrote: Why is he asking the question when he isnt even playing in the item game? i was looking for the reason but didnt see it. came out of the blue. Asking the mod a question doesn’t make someone scum and it doesn’t make someone town. It just makes them curious or in need of information. Unless the search function is screwing with me, my numbers should be accurate. If my reasoning isn't good enough or you want more, tell me. @LSB When a player is modkilled and replaced with a bot, do we no longer have to worry about them or are we capable of lynching/killing them? Will the bot speak? | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On April 02 2011 16:12 Coagulation wrote: well i think meapak is suspectable and IM UN FOSABLE and i will probably die tonight if i dont get med prot -_- I see what you did there. W/e. I've not done an analysis on him, but he's done more analysis than anyone else, so he gets a clear in my book. On the topic of analysis, I'm trying to compile a list of all the analyses that have been done thus far. I don't have the best memory, so if people can point out those that I've missed, I'd appreaciate it. Link to Analysis Analyers read: Confirmation of read Eii by Meapak Scum: Unconfirmed Amber[light] by Meapak Scum: Unconfirmed BrownBear by Meapak Green: Correct Annul by meapak Scum: Incorrect Kenpachi by kavdragon ScumUnconfirmed Insanious by Kavdragon Scum: 90% sure it's Incorrect | ||
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