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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 02 2011 13:49 GMT
#3731
On April 02 2011 16:43 Kavdragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 16:39 Eiii wrote:
Ken's meta is pretty important to take into account-- he ALWAYS spams the thread with short, useless posts. I've been in a few games with him, and the only weird thing about his behavior this time around is that he made an attempt to put up a formal analysis post. Is that him trying to play better or scumbuddies pushing him to contribute more to town?


Hmm. This is a good point. I don't remember playing with him, so if there's a meta history that I'm missing, please let me know.

If he's referring to Kevconsim his play has been similar to XXXVII. That was his first game so this should be his second. The biggest difference is he actually offered some analysis in this game:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 27 2011 15:42 kevconsim wrote:
im going to make a read.


On March 27 2011 15:42 kevconsim wrote:
I think Annul is/was town. Because he said gl town as he is dieng


I have no idea whether he is scum or not. I guess all I'm saying is I wouldn't base it upon his limited number of posts. His activity level never really increased in XXXVII even though he was in the final 3 with GM and decon. I do know that he was online a fair amount in that game because he responded to all of my PMs in a timely manner. He just didn't post.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 02 2011 15:13 GMT
#3735
Can Coag and I continue to PM each other?
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 02 2011 19:49 GMT
#3755
Bums list
1) Bum
2) Cube
3) Coag IG obv
4) Jackal ^
5) Eiii
plus
Insanious is most likely town.
deconduo is most likely town.

After that just bare in mind that the black team is going to play as town.
They have no idea who red is any more than the rest of us.
Allows them to analyze.
Allows them to post their analysis.
Allows them a very solid town read.
Be very wary of solid analysis. They might be right.
But that doesn't mean they are town.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 02 2011 22:35 GMT
#3770
Mad Hatters do that.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 00:57 GMT
#3786
O_o
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 01:32 GMT
#3795
All actions still end in 30 minutes right?
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 01:38 GMT
#3799
On April 03 2011 10:35 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 10:30 LSB wrote:
Night post may be a bit delayed since I have to meet someone, but if Kita is on, prod him to make the night post.


How long is a bit, may I ask?

Just like a woman.





Don't kill me.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 02:03 GMT
#3808
I did a role check on Lanaia. If I'm still alive I may or may not share the info I get back. Depends on what it is.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 02:36 GMT
#3837
On April 03 2011 11:12 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 11:03 Jackal58 wrote:
I did a role check on Lanaia. If I'm still alive I may or may not share the info I get back. Depends on what it is.

I very much appreciate this. Hopefully you don't die!

Well I don't just rifle though a lasses underwear drawer and tell everybody what I found. That's no way to court a lady.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 02:42 GMT
#3847
On April 03 2011 11:37 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 11:36 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 03 2011 11:12 Lanaia wrote:
On April 03 2011 11:03 Jackal58 wrote:
I did a role check on Lanaia. If I'm still alive I may or may not share the info I get back. Depends on what it is.

I very much appreciate this. Hopefully you don't die!

Well I don't just rifle though a lasses underwear drawer and tell everybody what I found. That's no way to court a lady.


Hahahahaha. I'm much obliged. May I ask, did it give you the full PM or just the name?

I won't ask you how old you are if you don't ask me what all was in my PM.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 03:09 GMT
#3881
On April 03 2011 11:55 Coagulation wrote:
jackal you should post the DT Check.


I'd prefer not to atm. I will say it's probably not a good idea to lynch her. At least not today.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 12:46 GMT
#3929
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 03 2011 17:27 Kavdragon wrote:
Looks like I'm not long for this world, so here's my last push.

Based off the information we now have from the black market, it is apparent that blacks are ahead. We need to know more about the items they now posses. Firstly, Cubedin, you guys had the RPG's, can you confirm that they are a KP? Is there anything special about them? Second, do we know how many vests there are? Regardless, it seems very unlikely that will be able to kill blacks with KP other than lynches.

On that note, our NUMBER ONE priority is to LYNCH BLACKS. Thankfully LSB gave us a beautiful gift: the double lynch that is the Arena. Now, as long as you guys concentrate on using the lynch for Blacks, and using your Night KP for reds, we can still pull out a town victory. Town came from behind with some solid analysis and good hunting in XXXVI, and we can do the same thing and win here. However, this will require effort on everyone's part.

Now, I've been thinking about blacks since Meapak died. I defended him because he was doing analysis, but he was on my black list also. Now that he's flipped red, I've had to re-evaluate how the black team is likely to play. Meapak and I were the two people doing analysis, and he flipped red, and I know that I'm green. I cannot accept the heuristic that I have been using for black any longer.

There's a crucial problem that I hadn't thought of: SK's are super pro-town because they HAVE to survive till the end, and they cannot be roleblocked. This means that they must avoid the lynch at all costs. This game is much different than that, because they have a team of players, who can influence and help. This makes them similar to a mafia team, with less members but with BPV's to make up for that. It seems to me, that this game will function more like a game with two mafia families in it.

So how do we figure out the mafia from the blacks if they are both acting like mafia? The first way that i can think of is analysis on the connections between known scum. I don't mean things as obvious as support/callingout, these things could be set up of course, I'm talking about the tone people take with others, do they FoS some people differently than others? Find unusual connections. The second way is back checking people to see if they were making decisions or revealing information that they shouldn't have. For instance, assuming that the blacks actually gave us the names of scum, we know that they knew that before hand. Was anyone overly suspicious of Amberlight and Orgolove? Did they have good reasoning as to why they were their number one suspects?

Assuming that bombs do NOT kill blacks, lynching ilovejohn seems like a bad idea at this point. Heh. Call me scum for opposing your plan, but i don't care I'm going to die in few hours and you'll see. As a townie, I will say that lynching ilovejohn is the wrong call right now. We need to lynch blacks, and if bombs can't do that, then we should have Coag shoot him or something. It's 4-3 right now, and if we kill many more scum, the balance will be upset badly. CubEdIn is dead on when he says we need to whittle them down evenly. The only way that we can realistically kill black is by lynch now, this means that they are practically guaranteed to survive for three more days, and every day we don't lynch one extends that.

I wish I had more time to do analysis, but since I've been cut short, I'll simply say that i suspect Tnkted is black, and I suspect that Lanaia is also black. Meapak did analysis and he was scum. This does not mean that analysis is scummy. Analysis is, and always will be the key to victory, and I hope you guys start using it more.

GL town, looks like you'll be needing it.

Lanaia is almost 100% definitely not black. She may have a separate win condition than town but she is not black.
Put a bomb on Pandain.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 14:05 GMT
#3931
On April 03 2011 22:29 tnkted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 21:46 Jackal58 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 03 2011 17:27 Kavdragon wrote:
Looks like I'm not long for this world, so here's my last push.

Based off the information we now have from the black market, it is apparent that blacks are ahead. We need to know more about the items they now posses. Firstly, Cubedin, you guys had the RPG's, can you confirm that they are a KP? Is there anything special about them? Second, do we know how many vests there are? Regardless, it seems very unlikely that will be able to kill blacks with KP other than lynches.

On that note, our NUMBER ONE priority is to LYNCH BLACKS. Thankfully LSB gave us a beautiful gift: the double lynch that is the Arena. Now, as long as you guys concentrate on using the lynch for Blacks, and using your Night KP for reds, we can still pull out a town victory. Town came from behind with some solid analysis and good hunting in XXXVI, and we can do the same thing and win here. However, this will require effort on everyone's part.

Now, I've been thinking about blacks since Meapak died. I defended him because he was doing analysis, but he was on my black list also. Now that he's flipped red, I've had to re-evaluate how the black team is likely to play. Meapak and I were the two people doing analysis, and he flipped red, and I know that I'm green. I cannot accept the heuristic that I have been using for black any longer.

There's a crucial problem that I hadn't thought of: SK's are super pro-town because they HAVE to survive till the end, and they cannot be roleblocked. This means that they must avoid the lynch at all costs. This game is much different than that, because they have a team of players, who can influence and help. This makes them similar to a mafia team, with less members but with BPV's to make up for that. It seems to me, that this game will function more like a game with two mafia families in it.

So how do we figure out the mafia from the blacks if they are both acting like mafia? The first way that i can think of is analysis on the connections between known scum. I don't mean things as obvious as support/callingout, these things could be set up of course, I'm talking about the tone people take with others, do they FoS some people differently than others? Find unusual connections. The second way is back checking people to see if they were making decisions or revealing information that they shouldn't have. For instance, assuming that the blacks actually gave us the names of scum, we know that they knew that before hand. Was anyone overly suspicious of Amberlight and Orgolove? Did they have good reasoning as to why they were their number one suspects?

Assuming that bombs do NOT kill blacks, lynching ilovejohn seems like a bad idea at this point. Heh. Call me scum for opposing your plan, but i don't care I'm going to die in few hours and you'll see. As a townie, I will say that lynching ilovejohn is the wrong call right now. We need to lynch blacks, and if bombs can't do that, then we should have Coag shoot him or something. It's 4-3 right now, and if we kill many more scum, the balance will be upset badly. CubEdIn is dead on when he says we need to whittle them down evenly. The only way that we can realistically kill black is by lynch now, this means that they are practically guaranteed to survive for three more days, and every day we don't lynch one extends that.

I wish I had more time to do analysis, but since I've been cut short, I'll simply say that i suspect Tnkted is black, and I suspect that Lanaia is also black. Meapak did analysis and he was scum. This does not mean that analysis is scummy. Analysis is, and always will be the key to victory, and I hope you guys start using it more.

GL town, looks like you'll be needing it.

Lanaia is almost 100% definitely not black. She may have a separate win condition than town but she is not black.
Put a bomb on Pandain.


What did your check return as?


If she wishes to disclose it that's on her. I'm waiting a bit to see if any of the mechanics of her role reveal themselves.
For right now I gotta believe it is not in towns best interest to put that info into play. Not because it might get her killed but because it might cost town the game.
Just don't lynch her or blow her ass up.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 14:08 GMT
#3932
And just to clarify my DT item returns Role. Not alignment. Coags returns alignment. Good luck getting him to use it though. He has a fucking gun.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 14:34 GMT
#3935
Can items be role blocked?
Cause like I don't really have a role.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 15:15 GMT
#3940
I'm voting Kavdragon.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 15:18 GMT
#3943
On April 04 2011 00:15 deconduo wrote:
Well that confirms Kav as black lol.

It also raises a bit of a conundrum. Blacks also appear to be blast proof. Do we let Ilovejohn blow up two more that possibly wont die or do we lynch Kav?
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 15:22 GMT
#3947
I know that. But he has thoroughly outed himself and most likely wont survive the night. Wouldn't it be better to have him try and possibly kill scum our out more blacks rather than lose his abilities to a NK?
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 15:36 GMT
#3952
On April 04 2011 00:25 tnkted wrote:
Wait a minute, im confused on johns role. he has to die during the day? why not die at night? if one of the bombs is pointed at a red all we have to do is make sure that i switch myself to nullify MC and the red dies.

John should live to tomorrow because mafia won't want to kill him.

Hmm... black would though... do we have any other ways to protect him?


+ Show Spoiler +
On April 03 2011 14:54 ilovejonn wrote:
Or we can...

Lynch me today!


[image loading]


Remember this?
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 03:11 ilovejonn wrote:
Bomb 1: Beneather
Bomb 2: Orgolove


great post =D

Night was coming in and I fear that I would have died therefore I placed my bombs during that time. Coincidentally it was A.pril F.ools and I said "great post" in order for scum to not role block me and just night kill me. *I don't know why A.pril F.ools still auto changes since it's like April 3rd TL time*

Who am I and Why trust me:
Show nested quote +
Original Message From kitaman27:
You are the Day Hatter! You are like your brother, the mad hatter, but you're an attention whore. You can only bomb people during the day, so if you want to use one of your bombs you have to post in the thread Bomb 1: LSB or Bomb 2: LSB. The bombs will only explode once you die.

My bombs can be ROLEBLOCKED and it will not go off. This is crucial. What this means is that in order to safely get my bombs off, getting lynched during the day is the best option. Since I'm a Day Hatter, I have to post in the thread about who to bomb, and if I really land one on a scum and they believe I'm hatter, they can just roleblock and night kill me.

Basically, I am willing to sacrifice myself to kill two other people. Who those 2 may be is probably up to you guys to decide, BUT we clearly have a bunch of FOS'd and scummy players lurking about. Orgolove and Beneather were my first 2 targets. However, Beneather is now a Bot and is in the Arena. I am willing to let the Arena players deal with him. If they don't clearly it will make them look scummy.

Here is my FOS list:

4. Kenpachi - Bomb target
6. Kavdragon - fos (black read)
11. orgolove - Bomb target
15. kevconsim - Bomb target
20. Amber[LighT] - FOS Bomb target
26. Lanaia - she's a girl FOS (this is jk don't atk me about this but if she's scum gg)
28. Beneather - Bomb target (now in Arena though)
30. Eiii - inactive FOS, Bomb target

The others are editted out so don't ask me where 1. and 2. etc are. Now I feel that I want to keep Bomb#1 on Orgolove. You guys don't need to ask me why, ask yourselves and read their posts, I'm not sacrificing myself and doing analysis for you. #2 is up for debate because clearly there are more than 1 scum. It comes down to whether you guys want to plant the bomb on a RED player or a BLACK player.

Amber has been lurking like crazy, Kenpachi plays like scum as always, kevconsim is playing like his first game where he doesn't know anything and doesn't post useful content at all.

Kavdragon is hard to say, he can be town/black but I haven't seen him done great analysis and lead the town like he did in that other mafia game where he was Mayor. My gut tells me he's black because even though he seems quite pro-town, his posts to me, seem like they are holding back a lot.

Then there's Eiii and Lanaia.

If it were my choice, it would be Bomb1: Orgolove, Bomb2: kevconsim/Kenpachi. As someone said before (forgot who), we don't want a guy who just posts 1-liners and doesn't contribute to go into late game. At least the others have understandable and coherent posts, but Kevconsim and Kenpachi sometimes types things that I don't even understand. Again the bomb targets are up for debate. On to the next part.

Vote me and be safe!
If we are going to make this work, EVERYONE needs to vote me. Of course if you're town-aligned you should vote for me, but what about scum you say? Well, since I outted myself for this whole bomb thing to happen, if there's someone that doesn't want to vote for me, BAM instant-FOS. This is a fool-proof plan but if even townies don't vote for me then I'm done.

Here is what I mean. I've placed the black market votings into consideration. There are 19 players left, 12 are green, 7 are scum (red/black). Clearly the scum won't want to vote for someone else other than me as it places them into a clear FOS spot. The best situation is clearly having 19 votes on me ensuring that the bombs go off. I do not believe that they have enough of their Krodon? currency to place 20 anonymous votes on me, and even if they do fine, you've just used all of those precious key voting powers on a single townie.

Conclusion
Remember what I said, if you're green vote for me. If you're not go ahead and vote someone else and see if you get lynched the next day or not. I dare you, scum. ò_ó

As time goes on and more people die during the night, I feel that my chances of getting myself lynched decreases. I felt like this was the best time to reveal all this now, and well, if you guys don't like this, then I'm fucked.

I'm going to place my bombs on my preferred targets for now in case anything IRL comes up like my Internet dying or something. We still have plenty of time however.

Bomb1: Orgolove
Bomb2: kevconsim


Also, if you thought of something that would ruin my plans, please tell me because I wrote this when I was really sleepy. I repeat, bomb targets ARE UP FOR DEBATE DEBATE DEBATE!


He has rather committed himself no?
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 03 2011 15:52 GMT
#3956
On April 04 2011 00:45 LSB Banking wrote:
Bot Message

Beneather says: Guess my favorite item!
I’ll give you a few clues.

  • It’s very comfortable but it comes at the cost of performance.
  • Although it is well suited for short distances, once you get into the long hauls, it’s deficiencies drag it down.
  • It has a unique way of stopping.
  • If you measuring sheer speed this doesn’t compare to my buddies.


A bus?
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