This is insane mafia
Lsb even mentioned taking suggestions for roles.
nothing is in stone.

the fact that Mafia would go through all the trouble of putting GF in the item game ( a complete newbie of all people) yet fail to give him a logical cover role.

doesnt make sense man.

chaoser

United States5541 Posts

March 28 2011 08:34 GMT

#2346

But in that case it would show green, not blue

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

March 28 2011 08:38 GMT

#2347

this is just fucking stupid
Mafia would never Give the GF a fucking blue role.
ALL THE BLUES KNOW WHOS BLUE
it would be instantly verifiable that hes GF by the blues. its the last role the GF would pick as cover.
mafia couldnt be that stupid.

iGrok

United States5142 Posts

March 28 2011 08:39 GMT

#2348

On March 28 2011 17:34 Coagulation wrote:

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Don't forget that the Black CEO was in the IG

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

March 28 2011 08:40 GMT

#2349

but why would they ever give him a blue role if all the blues know who each other are?? think about it
Your DT checked him and ended up checking himself.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

March 28 2011 08:40 GMT

#2350

While I disagree with the "couldn't be that stupid" statement, it's a good point.
Most likely it deflected back to whomever checked the guy.

However, you don't know:
a) If only the GF/Miller has the power to come up as something else when checked
b) If mafia got to choose what GF comes up as

See, we're not 100% sure that mafia got to choose what GF would come up as, since they wouldn't really know the powers in the game to begin with.

bumatlarge

United States4567 Posts

March 28 2011 09:08 GMT

#2351

Perhaps lemon walrus needs to at least make a full claim here.

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

March 28 2011 09:39 GMT

#2352

Remember yesterday when I said LW was mafia. Remember when no one listened to me.

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deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

March 28 2011 09:40 GMT

#2353

Fail

That should read salem, not haunted.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

March 28 2011 09:41 GMT

#2354

hahahahahaha

ilovejonn

Canada2548 Posts

March 28 2011 09:45 GMT

#2355

Situation 1: DT checked Godfather, GF chose himself to always return as a blue role.

Opinion - I do not think this is the case. 1) I don't think mafia would risk their GF in the item game. 2) I don't think any mafia or GF would choose a blue role as there is a high chance of counter claims happening.

Situation 2: The DT has other problems attached to his role.

Opinion - What I mean is that his role might have something like 60% returns correct 40% returns random or something like that. I don't know if roles like that exist but then again I have not played a lot of Mafia. Now bum has PM circle with all the blues and he probably knows the full powers of his team unless they decided not to tell him. So I'm going with what he tells as the truth for now.

Situation 3: Lemonwalrus is scum and his scumbuddy used a reflection type power that made DT check himself when checking others.

Opinion - High probability. However this raises many questions. There are no blue roles in the Item game. If mafia was smart enough to use a reflection role, the person must have known that usually BLUE roles have the detective power and if he used the power it would return blue to the DT. If they had taken this into consideration and they were smart they probably would not have done it. Also, instead of using the reflection power, if red had a framer role, they could have used that instead and framed him as town conveniently since there are only townies in the Item game. Therefore I think scum used the reflection power but totally forgot that only townies were in the game.

Situation 4: Townie/Black with a power used it on Lemon.

Opinion - Unlikely. A pro-town player would never do that maybe unless they have the chance to switch over to another faction. A black player is unlikely to do it BUT they would have to be mad pro to predict a DT will check Lemon. However there is only RED and GREEN left in Item game I do not think Black doing so would benefit them in any way. Therefore I think this situation is the least likely.

For now though, Situation 3 sounds the most reasonable to me and makes Lemon go on my scumdar.

ilovejonn

Canada2548 Posts

March 28 2011 10:06 GMT

#2356

By the time of my last post, two people have voted Lemon in the voting thread btw. deconduo has said something, iGrok just voted without an explanation.

On March 28 2011 18:39 deconduo wrote:
Remember yesterday when I said LW was mafia. Remember when no one listened to me.

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I don't see how it makes you so great? You have exactly 3 posts regarding LW and why you think he is scum. They aren't exactly good arguments either.

On March 28 2011 00:00 deconduo wrote:
@Blacks

If you want town to win the item game over reds (which I assume you do) kill Lemon tonight.

On March 28 2011 00:40 deconduo wrote:

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-Until you posted this, there was a chance they would listen to me. Good job for fucking that up.

-This is the only post of his I can find where he gives any opinions on anyone. Even then he is EXTREMELY wishy-washy about it. Stuff like "reasonably certain he's town' 'I've got a scum read on him, but ... I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he flips town' The only people he really backs up are Jackal and Coag who both think the sun shines out of his ass. He ofc pushes Tack because Jackal and Coag told him to.

On March 28 2011 00:23 deconduo wrote:

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Annul is town, Tack is town. Unless one of Jackal/Coag is pulling some insane stunt they are both town.

Lemon hasn't done anything all game, just has a bunch of filler posts. Easy process of elimination. I'd be 90% sure of it being lemon, if not then its 50/50 on jackal/coag.

All 3 posts come after almost a series of "Jackal is 100% scum". You guys can check.

And then you go back to what I assume is your original suspect.

On March 28 2011 01:51 deconduo wrote:
Jackal, I am never going to let you live that post down. EVER.

On March 28 2011 02:07 deconduo wrote:

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In fact, at the start of the game I said he was my roommate and that this was his first game. This just proves that you have zero scumhunting skills and you should be ignored for the rest of the game.

If he is wishy-washy, so are you.

ilovejonn

Canada2548 Posts

March 28 2011 10:08 GMT

#2357

Obligatory post that gets people out of trouble:

I am sleeping, be back in 12 or more hours.

Jackal58

United States4264 Posts

March 28 2011 10:21 GMT

#2358

Lemon was role reversed or some other such thing.

RoL your defense of Tack is admirable. But it leads me to ask a question.
Annul posted his PMs with tack when he thought you killed him.
Inside those PMs was an apparent slip in Tack stating he received a PM from you. He attempted to explain his error as being a noob. Then you posted this little gem:

On March 28 2011 00:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Err if you would like, I can just confirm I never sent you a PM. When I was reading that I was like "Why is this guy fake claiming I PMed him?"

Now that in and of itself doesn't say much. But what speaks volumes is the fact that you made a couple posts before you saw fit to tell us your confirmation.
You didn't say anything about it until it was being pushed hard by myself and chaoser.
My question is why didn't you call bs on this as soon as you saw it?
Why did you wait until it became an issue?
The only reason I can think of is you were hoping it would go away on it's own. Now your epic defense of your scumbuddy continues. First you call him a fake and now he's your bestest friend.
RoL + Tack = Scum

bumatlarge

United States4567 Posts

March 28 2011 10:37 GMT

#2359

Oy vey, I need sleep, its been a long day. I'll try to sort this out tomorrow.

I mean I agree with a lot of points made. Coagulation shot tack and he didnt die, and i dont see why town would protect him. I cant understand why LW would come back blue.

good night