Insane Mafia 2 - Page 10

On March 28 2011 12:34 tnkted wrote:
Assuming we can trust coag (i believe we can)

Town still has our KP.

Assuming we can trust jackal (i'm not certain about this)

Town lost some bandanges (sounds like medic power). That means that mafia (NOT BLACK) has the ability to protect themselves. If tack isn't lynched, and he is the one who stole the item, we can be sure that he will be immune to a night kill.

On March 28 2011 12:35 Lanaia wrote:
Logically, we should be asking tackster what he did last niht, shouldn't we?

On March 28 2011 00:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Err if you would like, I can just confirm I never sent you a PM. When I was reading that I was like "Why is this guy fake claiming I PMed him?"

On March 28 2011 21:59 Rean wrote:
I love the silence when I ask you to give reasons for your blind tunneling. You really are just randomly gambling and hoping you get lucky, aren't you?

On March 28 2011 22:20 Rean wrote:


Who do you think people are going to believe, the guy giving arguments, reasons and explanations as motivation to have Lemon lynched, or the guy blindly tunneling Tackster constantly saying "dw guys, he's defo scum, just trust me" not giving anyone any reason to trust him?

On March 28 2011 22:30 deconduo wrote:


LOLOL

You say you are going to shoot someone. They can stop it. You are surprised that they do? REALLY?

What did you expect him to do, sit there all happy while you kill him? How is it scummy to TRY TO NOT DIE!

On March 28 2011 22:38 Rean wrote:


Regarding the stealing: as both red and green he would have a reason to stay alive. As red because obviously he would want to win his team the item-game. As green because him dying would bring it to a 4 player scenario, where one day lynch and a double night-hit could decide the item game. As town he couldn't have known he was gonna get bussed so he would've assumed that there would still be 5 players.

Conclusion: regardless of Tackster's alignment, he would've stolen your item. Your argument is worthless.

On March 28 2011 22:44 deconduo wrote:


Why not? Pretend Tack is town and Lemon is the mafia. WHAT WOULD MAFIA DO?

Don't avoid this question in any way. Just give me your honest opinion on what mafia would do.

On March 28 2011 22:50 Rean wrote:


Ok. Let's, for a second, imagine you're Lemonwalrus.

You're mafia. You know this. Your only purpose in this game is to win your team the item-game, so obviously that's what you do.

You know Jackal and Coagulation trust each other to be town. You've tricked both of them into thinking you're town (lord knows how), they're gonna shoot Tackster. They told Tackster that Jackal has a gun and he's gonna shoot Tackster with it, while Coagulation actually has the gun. You know this, because again, you have their trust. Annul got tricked by RoL into revealing he's town. So once Tackster dies and flips green, you know you're fucked.

So you consult your mafia buddy's and make a plan. You bus Annul and Tackster, killing off Annul, keeping Tackster alive. Jackal and Coagulation will obviously blame Tackster, saying he had his buddies bus him away. If they get him lynched, it's down to a 3 man scenario at night, and since the only medic item is in the hands of Tackster, you can just kill both Jackal and Coagulation and it's game over, mafia wins the item game.

The only problem left is DT checks. Since you obviously didn't elect your Godfather into the item-game (since he's guaranteed to die, and you need the Godfather to be able to win after the item-game), you decide to use the role-reversal of your teammate on yourself. Boom, DT will just check himself, and that problem is solved.

The only mistake Lemon made was claiming that his item worked without being used, which does NOT fit in with every other item in this game, and is obviously a bullshit claim.

You're walking blindly into his trap, Jackal.

On March 28 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote:
You just add that to fuck with us?

On March 28 2011 23:25 tnkted wrote:
I'm still on page 14 but theres an important point that nobody has brought up yet: Scum thought that annul was using his bomb. Thats why the bussed coag to annul, not because they wanted annul gone or anything, but because they wanted coag to die.

On March 28 2011 23:31 deconduo wrote:


Situation 1:
Lemon
Tack
Coag
Jackal

Situation 2:
Lemon
Coag
Jackal
Annul

You are saying that Lemon would prefer to be in situation 2? You think he would find it easier to lynch you if it was situation 2 over lynching Tack in situation 1?

On March 29 2011 00:24 chaoser wrote:


Also, why was annul shot twice? That's a question too...hmmm

and @Jackal and @Coag, you said you would rethink your decision on who was mafia if new info came out. Bum came out with new info. Also LSB came out with the new info that apparently Annul stole the mood ring? Tackster, did this happen? Why weren't we informed earlier?

Here's the list of questions I have that I'm thinking about:

1) Why did Tackster get bussed to annul?
To get a double kill from annul's bomb?

2) Why was annul shot twice if Tackster was bus?
To make sure annul was dead?

3) Why does annul have the mood ring and why didn't Tackster say he got it stolen?

and finally
4) Why did LW show up as blue from a check?

At this point I can no longer safely say that Tackster is beyond a doubt mafia so I'm going to read through LW and Tackster's posts. Plans are nice and all but at the end of the day post analysis is king. Every what Ver/BC/Ace have said about plans guys, town relies too much on them, post analysis is best.

Also @Jackal and @Coag, tunnel a bit less and just take a step back. What if Bum's check on LW came up red? Would you say he got framed? You said you were open to new info but clearly at this point you're not since you continue to not only 1) push the issue even though weird info is coming up and 2) just claim everyone who is defending Tackster to be scum. Is that really advantageous for town? In the end we've just created an clusterfuck of a convo. Calm the fuck down and think about everything. Something is wrong, we need to figure it out. Let's not just say, nope, can't figure it out, BASH HEAD AGAINST TACK!!!

On March 29 2011 00:48 chaoser wrote:


Yeah, bum said he thought tack was scum I think. I'll go find the post

On March 29 2011 01:04 tnkted wrote:
Alright guys. Prepare for EARTH SHATTERING REVELATIONS

I know what happened last night. But first, a confession: I am the bus driver.



Last might my action was to bus Bum and Lemon. I didn't know what item lemon had. I figured jackal was mafia and was going to shoot tack, while the rest of the mafia killed lemon and coag, thereby winning mafia the item game. I didn't know that jackal had died, and I didn't know that lemon was bulletproof. So the reason that bum's check came back as blue is because he was checking himself.

Now, why would i switch bum and lemon, you might ask? Well, Bum is invincible. As long as his two bodyguards are alive he can't die. That means I could switch him with anyone and that person would live because all hits would be deflected off bum. Obviously I can't ever make this maneuver again because GM is dead and its too risky if the mafia gets the other bodyguard, but it was a good oneshot effort and would have won us the item game if mafia had tried to win it all at once. This maneuver had the happy side effect of confirming bum as blue, so yaay! I trust you again bum, I secretly figured you were scum for awhile.

So if I am the only bus driver, what happened last night? It would be stupid for there to be two bus drivers in the game. How was coags kill switched to annul?



Mind control. Coag was mind controlled to use his item on annul instead of on Tack. Thats why the post is written the way it is. I mean, read the damn thing. It's all about how he 'was confused as to why he was standing in front of annul'. Go read it again, it makes way more sense for it to be mind control. Also, the bus driver wouldn't have been mentioned elsewhere in the text if that had been what I did. Had that been my move, the bus driver wouldn't have been mentioned at all.

You guys are also missing the fact that Kav claimed somebody hit him last night. Thats an extra KP we haven't accounted for:

1. towns kp used to kill tack, shifted to annul
2. another random kp used to kill annul
3. KP used on GM
4. KP that failed (look at the DP again)
5. KP used on kav???

Mafia's Plan
Now before we delve into 5, lets examine 4 for a minute. GM is deader than a doornail. I have reason to believe that annuls role (outside of the item game) was bodyguard. I think last night the mafia hit GM and bum and used mind control to switch coags hit onto annul, therefore allowing them to kill the mayor and win the IG in one swoop. Coag would be dead due to the bomb, and the only people left in IG would be Jackal and Tack and Lemon.
Mafia almost killed bum, and I accidentally saved him by switching him and lemon.


0_0
How fucking lucky did town get last night?


We still haven't accounted for 5, or for the direction of black's kill. Black must have hit annul; that would explain why there were two kills in the same place. Why would black have hit annul? He was out of the item game, and everyone thought that annul's item was going to go off. I do not know this yet. I suspect bum has more ideas about this than I do. I do know that the reason why annul's item didn't go off is because he was stealing Tack's item during the night. That explains why annul has the mood ring and not Tack.

Now for the KP used on kav. What happened? Lets look at this list again, and I'll show you what I think happened:

1. towns kp used to kill tack, shifted to annul
2. another random kp used to kill annul
3. KP used on GM
4. KP that failed
5. KP used on kav???

There was no KP used on kav. There weren't enough KP in the game for that to happen. What happened was, my switch of lemon and bum saved bum's life from being ended and thats what the failed KP was: They managed to hit a bulletproof lemon instead of a suddenly weakened bum.

Kav claimed a hit in order to A) bring himself into town's good graces and B) to stop anyone from wondering if Bum was the other target. Kav is Mafia

Now who could possibly have orchastrated this plan from the mafia's perspective? such a person would

1. have to be in the item game
2. have to have known that coag was the one who was gonna hit Tack, not jackal

The only people that fit both of those descriptions are Lemon, Jackal, and Coag. Lemon is probably clear thanks to my breadcrumbing plan from earlier. He could easily not be, however, probably thanks to myself switching him and bum and accidentally foiling the DT check (sorry!).
Coag is definately a green thanks to breadcrumbing earlier.
Therefore, the true battle of red is between Lemon and Jackal. Both of them have much to gain if town lynches Tack, and both of them already think that Tack is the mafia. The question is which one of them is more scum than the other, and which one is playing the other for a fool.

Personally I believe Jackal is scum. I had a FOS on him early in the game and he hasn't done much to change my mind. He failed my breadcrumbing test after refusing to participate, he has tunnelled players multiple times, and chainsaw defended virtually every single accusation against him. This entire plan is exactly the sort of thing he'd cook up; killing everyone but himself and Tack and somebody that aggrees with him (lemon) and then convincing town that Tack had murdered everyone in the night and lynching him.

Who do we see supporting jackal on this? Who is supporting jackal even after Bum accused lemon?

Rean and Decon. Scum. Coag. Played for fool.

Coag, you even said that the only person who could have fooled you was jackal. Its whats happening right now, don't you see?! If you have more info (ie, dt check) I would release it right now.

Therefore, mafia list:

Kav
Rean
Decon
Jackal



And bum, I'd be very very careful with how you act from now on. I suspect the rest of my bus driving will be blocked by red/black, so I won't be able to save your ass again.