On March 22 2011 08:57 annul wrote:
uh

ever think mafia wants to kill me today so they dont have to tonight?

even if there is a hidden push power, that doesnt change anything relative to me.

There is nothing the mafia can do to save you.

Also your power is like 99% useless unless they have a godfather, and the only way to find out who it is is to find the toy's name... and since we weren't given any toy's names.

Also, you are a 50/50 chance of killing a mafia by killing you... you are either miller or mafia. Killing you and your miller means we are down 1 town so its 11 town vs 3 mafia. Killing you and your mafia means we are down 1 mafia so its 12 town vs 2 mafia... seems like a worthy trade.

Insanious

Canada1251 Posts

March 22 2011 00:02 GMT

#723

On March 22 2011 08:59 kitaman27 wrote:

Show nested quote +

Why would the mafia ever kill you tonight?

RoL, Gmarshal and darmousseh all ended up in new spots. Anyone see a pattern or something?

RoL and Gmarshal were pulled and pushed respectively though... the only one who was moved by a power was darmousseh.

annul

United States2841 Posts

March 22 2011 00:03 GMT

#724

no, i am 100% not mafia.

Insanious

Canada1251 Posts

March 22 2011 00:08 GMT

#725

darmousseh was pushed down to where RoL should have been, and RoL was sent down to the end of the queue. As such the Pull's / pushes / powers went like this:

- Darmousseh was moved two spaces down
- GMarshal was pushed
- Rean was pulled
- RoL was pulled

Therefore, the mafia used its power between:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195563&currentpage=28#550

and

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195563&currentpage=33#655

Insanious

Canada1251 Posts

March 22 2011 00:09 GMT

#726

meaning it happened sometime during 1hour and 30 minutes, in the middle of the day where 105 posts occurred.

Insanious

Canada1251 Posts

March 22 2011 00:15 GMT

#727

The people that talked during that time are:

- Insanious
- darmousseh
- CubEdIn
- Annul
- GMarshal
- Mr.Wiggles
- Rean
- Originalname
- chaoser
- RoL
- kitaman27

Of that list these people were not confirmed town by darmousseh:

- Insanious
- CubEdIn
- Annul
- GMarshal
- Mr.Wiggles
- chaoser

Of this list these people were not confirmed town by my info + darmousseh:

- CubEdIn
- Annul
- GMarshal
- Mr.Wiggles
- chaoser

Of this list these people were not confirmed mafia by darmousseh:

- CubEdIn
- GMarshal
- Mr.Wiggles
- chaoser

I believe that there is at least 1 mafia between these 4 people.

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

March 22 2011 00:20 GMT

#728

or you know the person with the power just didn't talk during that time? Lurking is an awesome strategy when you are mafia you know. Also Insainus you are assuming your information is good. Can I be skeptical of that? I find it odd that mafia wouldn't at least stick a finger in something as juicy as this plan. As you saw they had the ability to stop it at any time, why didn't they? Obivously because they stood something to gain by it, now weather that is us hanging annul or something else entirely remains to be seen, but something is amiss with mafia letting us take this plan as far as we did if they could just put a sudden stop to it.

RebirthOfLeGenD

USA5860 Posts

March 22 2011 00:21 GMT

#729

So someone/something pushed Darmousseh, disabling his power?

Insanious

Canada1251 Posts

March 22 2011 00:24 GMT

#730

On March 22 2011 09:21 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
So someone/something pushed Darmousseh, disabling his power?

Yup, yup... now we need to wait till next day phase to be able to use darmousseh's ability again.

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

March 22 2011 00:24 GMT

#731

On March 22 2011 09:21 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
So someone/something pushed Darmousseh, disabling his power?

Thats what we've concluded, we are assuming it was the scum team, unless you have some kind of power that moves someone else when you are moved? As far as I can tell you and I were the two people moved between the power working and not working, so unless you have some passive ability we have to assume the mafia team did something.

chaoser

United States5541 Posts

March 22 2011 00:46 GMT

#732

so we're pushing annul right?

##push annul

darmousseh

United States3437 Posts

March 22 2011 00:56 GMT

#733

Yes, push annul until he is in red. The only other person that was red was killed earlier.

If there is a medic, please protect me tonight. I would love to use my ability again tomorrow, otherwise i'm definitely target #1 for mafia. It was definitely worth it for 2 mafia though.

annul

United States2841 Posts

March 22 2011 01:00 GMT

#734

you are making a massive mistake.

i am a DT. if i were mafia, i would not breadcrumb claim it to the person i found, who i would know to be a "twin" (lover), when i could say nothing and just regularly night kill them and take down two people?

wouldnt my better play be to stfu about it and "come out" as DT later, and just pop him tonight? why bother to breadcrumb?

chaoser

United States5541 Posts

March 22 2011 01:06 GMT

#735

On March 22 2011 10:00 annul wrote:
you are making a massive mistake.

i am a DT. if i were mafia, i would not breadcrumb claim it to the person i found, who i would know to be a "twin" (lover), when i could say nothing and just regularly night kill them and take down two people?

wouldnt my better play be to stfu about it and "come out" as DT later, and just pop him tonight? why bother to breadcrumb?

That's all sorts of WIFOM though, at this point you flipped red, unless someone confirms your first DT check there's not much we can operate on besides lynching you. Remember when Ace flipped red and then he convinced town that he was actually town but that the flip was wrong? Yeah, lets not have that happen again...

Eiii

United States2566 Posts

March 22 2011 01:07 GMT

#736

who'd you investigate last night?

chaoser

United States5541 Posts

March 22 2011 01:09 GMT

#737

On March 22 2011 09:20 GMarshal wrote:
or you know the person with the power just didn't talk during that time? Lurking is an awesome strategy when you are mafia you know. Also Insainus you are assuming your information is good. Can I be skeptical of that? I find it odd that mafia wouldn't at least stick a finger in something as juicy as this plan. As you saw they had the ability to stop it at any time, why didn't they? Obivously because they stood something to gain by it, now weather that is us hanging annul or something else entirely remains to be seen, but something is amiss with mafia letting us take this plan as far as we did if they could just put a sudden stop to it.

what's with all the grammar/spelling errors lol

darmousseh

United States3437 Posts

March 22 2011 01:11 GMT

#738

In generally its best to go with the information we have at hand and to be decisive. Second guessing, doubting, creating confusion, etc is the best way to make the mafia win. For example, I was mafia in mini mafia VII and I tried to constantly encourage chaos (in very subtle ways) and arguing. Eventually this made 2 people blow each other up whereas if town had just gone with analysis, they would have quickly picked the mafia out. If you really are a miller, then i'm sorry annul.

3 hours until end. We need to push quickly.