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Mini Mafia VII: Guts and Glory
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On February 17 2011 12:37 GMarshal wrote: That was an interesting read, thanks Anyway, are we going with the plan that the person who is going to be lynched bombs the next scummiest target? or is that far too risky for town, and if you are going to be hung you should just take it like a man? To be honest I'm partial to the second option as in a worst case scenario we lose 3 townies day 1 (really worst case scenario we lose two townies and a medic) Jackal terrifies me in this game as he has a tendency to tunnel  It's not about taking it like a man, but about if we are certain enough of a second target. 2kp town sounds nice in theory, im sure mafia wants to lay low to not become 1of the 2 suspects day 1. Please dont tunnel. While this setup allow us to take out red we are personal certain off, atleast try to convince town before going allah akhbar on your suspects... | ||
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Seems like the most experienced people in this game are LunarDestiny, Deconduo, amberlight and Chaoser. I bet either amber or chaoser is the godfather  | ||
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On February 18 2011 01:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: Everyone should get their behavioral analysis hats on and start thinking about 4 players. I'm going to assume that there is only 1 medic in this game, since anymore than that would probably be broken for the town. Why? Simple. Role claiming would be a slightly less risky plan with multiple medics since there is less risk of losing our protection abilities as the days continue. Okay so now you want to focus on finding 4 players. 3 of them should be your potential mafia players. Easier said than done right? The other is who you think is the medic. Keep tabs on all of these players. Try to do your best to save your medic pick without vocalizing that you think 'player x is who I think is the medic!' What criteria would you suggest for people to use when selecting 3 mafia, and why do you think it's necessary to guess on who the medic is? I've found that if you think someone is mafia, don't get distracted by trying to find connections to others, focus on one lynch at time. In my opinion it would be great if people posted 3 suspects, but without reasons it's not worth much? With that said... I'm still interested in hearing from Deconduo since he's been rather quiet. I think once we hit the first 24 hours it would be safe to say he's lurking. It's weird because he posted an hour before the game started, but since he's from Europe I'm going to give him a pass on that since he most likely went to sleep by time everything started. Chaoser is another one I want to hear about. He's been quiet and his only post has been "lawl." He didn't seem very intent on creating a strategy for us to follow aside from laughing. Lynch suspects for Day 1? I would start with those 2. Chaoser would probably be my bet as of right now since he hasn't contributed after the Coag thing, which people were kinda getting upset about. It's not like he actually exploded! We can't sit around and discuss useless information or play-styles. This isn't exactly innovative Coagulation play it's pretty much normal from what I remember of his style. It's evening/afternoon in EU at the moment. I know deconduo likes to lurk when mafia | ||
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On February 18 2011 06:12 LunarDestiny wrote: Looking back what happened after my suspicion post on Coag. Coag: Didn't reply immediately. In other games, he will reply very fast (even if the reply is simple and meaningless). I am worried about that he was away so he didn't see my post. Again, I wanted to point out that Coag improved his game and actually tried to do analysis. I will be expecting in the future those if Coag is town. It's a weak FoS, and what does it have to do with what happened since your last post? You end up sounding like you aren't really suspecious of him anyways? GMarshal: He is the first one to defend Coag and his defense came only 7 minutes after. He then asked and tried to generate discussions. Looking back at his last 2 games (orpah and XXXVI), he plays similar style. Although we don't know his alignment in orpah, he post a lot in both games. This explain why he reponse to my post immediately. No mafia is so obvious as to defend their team mate straight off. Why is it relevant to explain why he responds to you immediately? chaoser: He questioned that I broke the ice but I don't get how that can be used against me. And the later part of this quote doesn't make sense at all. If we don't lynch, mafia will just use nightkill and take out one of us. lol...we always choose him...What do you guys think about if someone is bombed before lynch then we don't lynch that day? Think that makes sense right? Sounds like OMGUS to me? When I read your post, it comes off as weak fingerpointing. It starts out by saying it addresses what has happened since his last post, but really it just restates your weak suspecions. What more is, you produce wishy washy opinion on 3 people. Whats the point of bolding their name when your comments are so back and forth? When your first post in a long while is so empty, it raises red flag for me. FoS on you. That said, Coag you need to start posting more. On February 18 2011 07:01 OriginalName wrote: I'm here guys. I'm just still getting the hang of analysis and really have nothing to say but you can be assured I'm watching. Also blowing each other up for no reason seems counter-productive so why can't we all just get along T_T [joking tone]On the other hand next person to make fun of my name gets it -_- (rummages for detonator)[/joking tone] This is not good enough. If you read the mafia guides it's the silent people that gets lynched first. And no, we can't just all get along. If you keep quiet we can't get a read on you. Hence mafia can just lurk like you. And we will be forced to kill you off before we can go after them. You could easily post your opinion on the no lynch suggestion, as well as how and when we should use our suicide? For an example, it's my opinion that we should avoid rushing towards lylo. The longer the game, the more information we got. | ||
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My problem with LunarDestiny's post is it's build up as a "here are my thoughts on 3 important people", but really it ends up not saying anything about them. The coag bit could be: I'm watching for if coag has actually changed his play", GMarshal... well he doesn't say anything about him, and the Chaoser bit sounds defensive. So I have to wonder, why does he post a for him pretty long post without any content? I find it suspecious, even if it doesn't mean he is mafia. Earlier I posted a list of deconduo, LunarDestiny chaoser and Amber[light] as the most experienced, and there is bound to be a mafia in there. The chaoser vs Deconduo fight looks a lot like 2 townies fighting to me. Chaoser's posts where short and emotional, quite different from his long posts in mini mafia V, and deconduo went after him fearlessly, I'm pretty certain mafia would be more careful not to piss off people in a setup like this. That leaves Amber and LunarD. Amber has not responded to my questions to his posts, and LunarD made a very fast FoS on Coagulation, and later a suspeciously empty post. So LunarD, what do you think of Amber's posting behavior, and Amber are you sticking with Chaoser and Deconduo as suspects still? | ||
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I think he is bluffing, but if he blows himself up I get rid of a suspect, and I will change my vote. | ||
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On February 19 2011 06:30 chaoser wrote: BTW, what is everyone's thoughts on suicide for day 1? We barely have any info so I don't know if I'd help with blowing up or not. Though if it were up to me, No guts, no glory, I'd boom =D Townie, who is about to get lynched, can blow someone else he is certain off up, giving town 24 hrs of extra daytime to decide on another lynch/no lynch. If he isn't certain, he shouldn't blow anyone up. Forcing someone to blow up = anti town. | ||
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In any case we now got 24 hours extra to decide on a lynch, which isn't all that bad. Question is if we go for a no-lynch or we find someone else. It's only day 1, and we haven't gotten anything solid, but on the other hand both LD and chaoser can be regarded as green for now. Amber is suspecious but I don't want to vote him without a better analysis of his behavior. Will look through his old games tomorrow. The 3 people I find has been the most quiet is GGQ, Coagulation and OrignalName. | ||
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LD and chaoser, if you want to help out atleast give us your thoughts on people. | ||
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OriginalName earlier argued against a no lynch sollution, but now he seems to have changed his mind. Coagulation has not shown any intent of helping the town. This is unlike his play in mafia xxxvi, where he actually contributed. He has so far only threatened to blow up people that questioned him. ##Unvote ##Vote Coagulation | ||
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On February 19 2011 15:10 Amber[LighT] wrote: I agree with you completely, but this is something I can't ignore. THe last time I did this scum got away and I was killed. It's upsetting to think that someone is going to be able to get away with what seems to be the most obvious scum tells that I've ever seen, and I don't want this to go unnoticed. Bullshit that you want to kill someone you don't think is scum. Where is your behavior analysis? Try and look through any game with Jackal as town. | ||
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@ Barundar if it's going to be the difference between a no-lynch and lynching Coagulation I will make sure it gets done. Don't we already have a majority at this point, or we're nearing it? I'm fine with lynching either you or coagulation. Reason I pick coag over you is beceause you atleast post something. If you want to help me bus who I think is your teammate, thats ok | ||
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[QUOTE]On February 20 2011 01:38 GGQ wrote: [quote] Coagulation, you are under pressure right now. Anything to say?[/QUOTE] im not mafia. dont lynch me and i will prove it next round by killing a mafia.[/QUOTE] Would you mind saying who so we can lynch him/her instead? | ||
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But atleast the whole scum team is revealed now, should be a pretty easy win. | ||
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Coagulation: Played the lurking mafia, threatening to blow up anyone who mentions him, and refused to contribute at all. Makes 1 post saying he isn't mafia, which some of you somehow believe. Propose to know a certain mafia he can blow up, but only produces a list. Is the first to switch votes away from his teammate Amber[light] after he makes 1 post saying he isn't guilty. Amber[light] Has tried to play the contributing mafia, writing walls of text with generic advice. When it's down to him or Coag dieing today he suggest to help bandwagon coag, I have played scumteam with coag and he is not afraid to let his team bus him. Frantic last minute vote switching resulting in a tie. GMarshal Has been hiding well, I was unsure if it was him, GGQ or OriginalName that was the remaining scum. He outted himself to save his team today: Coag makes 1 post saying he isn't red, and GMarshal changes vote with: On February 20 2011 07:34 GMarshal wrote: actually I'm willing to take coag up on that offer, as long as we have his word that he will detonate tomorrow morning against a mafia target (coag has really good scumhunting skills IMO), also if he were scum I dont think he would offer to do so, instead he would probably claim medic. so instead of that ##Unvote ##Vote OriginalName He gives no reason for switching to OriginalName, his post is just about Coag. Personally I questioned Coags post, but GMarshal just buys it, and places a more or less random vote without explanation. Straight after he changes vote again with the following reason: On February 20 2011 07:50 GMarshal wrote: To be perfectly honest, my gut says Amber[Light] is scum, and his willingness to lynch jackal, who is almost certainly an overaggressive townie, at this point in the game when we have established that we cannot afford a mislynch makes me really suspicious of him ##Unvote ##Vote Amber[Light] Decent reason. Coag changes to amber at the same time. Time to sacrifice a team member. Little later, Amber makes 1 post saying he is innocent. After Coag, GMarshal changes vote with: On February 20 2011 10:21 GMarshal wrote: ok, at this point I still think Amber[Light] is most likely scum, but I see GGQ's vote as an attempt at bussing, I don't understand your reasoning at all Coag so you better explain it during the night phase, still though, I'm willing to go with it on the suspicion that you have a logical reason for doing this. Actually no one tired to defend Amber which is pretty indicative of a townie being bandwagoned, i think I get your reasoning Coag, although I still suspect Amber[Light] of being scum ##Unvote ##Vote GGQ WHAT A SHITTY REASON. 1) GGQ was just a number of people switching to amber, 2) If anyone is bandwagoning it's GMarshal himself. This is the last minute vote switching mafia does when they can't find it in them to properly bus their team mate. I myself am bad at letting my team mates die. But this is typical behavior for a pretty new mafia player. GMarshal has managed to lay low really well so far, but eratic vote switching like this when his teammates was on the chopping block gives him away. | ||
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On February 20 2011 15:39 GMarshal wrote: Tomorrow at 11:00 KST i'll prove you wrong about that if you are that convinced, however allow me to point out that erratic vote switching is my modus operandi always, weather scum or town, usually the sign of a scum player is firm votes but wishy-washy arguments. I look forward to it. Coag too. | ||
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That would leave Darmousseh and Amber and possibly ON or GGQ as the scumteam? But keep the fucking game in the thread. If you harass me outside I'm done playing with you. | ||
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5 hours remaining. Amber[light] (2): Jackal, deconduo Coagulation (4): GGQ, Barundar, Darmousseh, GMarshal Jackal58 (1): Amber[light] No lynch: (1): OriginalName Coagulation comes online posts 3 suspects. Amber bandwagon by coag, gmarshal, darmousseh and ggq 1 hour remaining Amber[light] (6): Jackal, deconduo, Coagulation, GMarshal, Darmousseh and GGQ Coagulation (1): Barundar Jackal58 (1): Amber[light] No lynch (1): OriginalName Coagulation starts GGQ bandwagon. GMarshal joins. Amber talks for lynching Jackal, then Darmousseh over ggq. Jackal joins the GGQ bandwagon. GGQ defends himself. ~½ hour remaining Amber[light] (3): deconduo, Darmousseh, GGQ GGQ (3): Coagulation, GMarshal, Jackal58 Coagulation (1): Barundar Jackal58 (1): Amberlight[light] No lynch (1): OriginalName Darmousseh and Amber[light] does a .59 minute switch to coagulation. final tally Amber[light] (2): deconduo, GGQ GGQ (3): Coagulation, GMarshal, Jackal58 Coagulation (3): Barundar, Amber[light], Darmousseh No lynch (1): OriginalName GGQ thinks he is lynched and tries to vote Coag to save himself. Amber tries unvoting coag, either to save GGQ or to save Coagulation. I see 3 possible scenarios: 1) Fist possibility I listed above, with Amber trying to undo his vote to save coag, leaving Coag, Gmarshal and Amber[light] as scumteam. Looking over it I must admit it looks unlikely that coag and Gmarshal should be on team with Amber[light] 2a) Other possibility is Amber[light] last minute saving GGQ with Darmousseh. Really the votes was tied so Amber didn’t have to switch to save GGQ, unless he knew Darmousseh was switching as well. Darmousseh voted after Amber[light], so one explanation could be Amber[light] and Darmousseh switching at the same time to even up votes. This is however very unlikely, considering Amber afterwards was under the impression GGQ was going to die. 2b) Last option still assumes Amber switches to save GGQ, not Coagulation. It is very possible that Amber[light] didn’t know Darmousseh was going to switch. Darmousseh made a post 2 min before his vote, so it looks like he just came back to check the thread, and decided a lynch was better than no lynch. This means Amber tried to remove his vote to save GGQ alone, without any agreements with Darmousseh. This seems the most likely, considering both GGQ and Amber[light] was under the impression that GGQ was going to die. I guess the most obvious conclusion is option 2b). 1) seems unlikely when both GMarshal and Coagulation would volunteer to blow up Amber[light]. 2a) is unlikely considering how both Amber and GGQ thinks that GGQ is going to get lynched with Darmousseh's switch. Option 2b) makes perfect sense if Amber and GGQ is on a scumteam together, and their remaining member was inactive at the time. My guess on a scum team would then be Amber[light], GGQ and OriginalName. | ||
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And ugh at waking up to the no lynch. GMarshal and Jackal sheeping after coag. Anyways gg, wish I had had the guts to blow up amber day 1  | ||
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