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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
February 26 2011 03:12 GMT
#881
##VOTE CubEdIn
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
February 26 2011 03:14 GMT
#882
On February 26 2011 12:10 Coagulation wrote:
you can still be a winner wiggles
we can still win this for town

Town will win this. I hate losing.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
February 26 2011 03:20 GMT
#883
Because it needs repeating.

+ Show Spoiler +
The following need to step up their game:

Gofarman - 8 posts
astroorion - 3 posts
JBright - 4 posts
ICanFlyLow - 2 posts
ohN - 3 posts
why - 6 posts
CubEdIn - 6 posts
LastArgument - 7 posts

Fewer that 10 posts this far in is inexcusable. Cubed I know you can do better than that.
Life can only kill you once.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 26 2011 03:21 GMT
#884
Notice how there were 3 kills assuming a normalish setup and the fact that we killed a scum earlier this suggests that at most 1 and most likely no frames/covers were used, which means that any DT check can be somewhat trusted, not fully though due to the GF and Miller roles. Still don't claim, but know that your results are probably good, hence if you see town going for a blue or green lynch try to redirect it
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 26 2011 03:46 GMT
#885
LISTEN TO GM'S PART ABOUT CLAIMING! DONT CLAIM!!

I just asked RoL how the KP works to try and figure out how many mafia there are and he said mafia can round up. Assuming 6 mafia like people mentioned before, 5 left, that's 1+/5x4 = 3 KP. That means they can still kill 3 and have .5KP left over to frame/cover.

100% DON'T CLAIM if you've found a townie or a vet, it's too risky, they could be GF or covered.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
February 26 2011 03:48 GMT
#886
Don't claim guys. Just do analysis on people you find red.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
February 26 2011 03:48 GMT
#887
On February 26 2011 12:46 chaoser wrote:
LISTEN TO GM'S PART ABOUT CLAIMING! DONT CLAIM!!

I just asked RoL how the KP works to try and figure out how many mafia there are and he said mafia can round up. Assuming 6 mafia like people mentioned before, 5 left, that's 1+/5x4 = 3 KP. That means they can still kill 3 and have .5KP left over to frame/cover.

100% DON'T CLAIM if you've found a townie or a vet, it's too risky, they could be GF or covered.

Unless of course you're gryffinder. Then by all means claim some thing else.

##VOTE: Gryffindor
Life can only kill you once.
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 26 2011 08:11 GMT
#888
Flying home will be back at around 4pm cst

+ Show Spoiler +
6am flights are a biiiiiiiiittttttcccchhhhh


-----

via kp setup covers are unlikely but don't claim anyways.
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 26 2011 08:37 GMT
#889
On February 26 2011 12:48 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 12:46 chaoser wrote:
LISTEN TO GM'S PART ABOUT CLAIMING! DONT CLAIM!!

I just asked RoL how the KP works to try and figure out how many mafia there are and he said mafia can round up. Assuming 6 mafia like people mentioned before, 5 left, that's 1+/5x4 = 3 KP. That means they can still kill 3 and have .5KP left over to frame/cover.

100% DON'T CLAIM if you've found a townie or a vet, it's too risky, they could be GF or covered.

Unless of course you're gryffinder. Then by all means claim some thing else.

##VOTE: Gryffindor

##Vote: Jackal58

I was on the Annul wagon, a wagon on mafia. Were you?
I didn't think so.
i got blisters on me fingers
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
February 26 2011 09:06 GMT
#890
nice omgus

GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 26 2011 09:06 GMT
#891
On February 26 2011 17:37 gryffindor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 12:48 Jackal58 wrote:
On February 26 2011 12:46 chaoser wrote:
LISTEN TO GM'S PART ABOUT CLAIMING! DONT CLAIM!!

I just asked RoL how the KP works to try and figure out how many mafia there are and he said mafia can round up. Assuming 6 mafia like people mentioned before, 5 left, that's 1+/5x4 = 3 KP. That means they can still kill 3 and have .5KP left over to frame/cover.

100% DON'T CLAIM if you've found a townie or a vet, it's too risky, they could be GF or covered.

Unless of course you're gryffinder. Then by all means claim some thing else.

##VOTE: Gryffindor

##Vote: Jackal58

I was on the Annul wagon, a wagon on mafia. Were you?
I didn't think so.

Its called bussing, its a basic scum strategy to appear pro-town by, when the lynch of a team mate appears probable or inevitable jumping on the wagon. I shouldn't need to tell an experienced player like you this gryff, the fact that people were wrong in thinking annul was town does not make them scum, and conversely voting for him does not make you town. allow me to ask, do you still stand by your vet claim? I won't quibble about your sarcasm or lack thereof.

it looks like a OMGUS vote to me, and your reasoning is weak to say the least, as this single vote can be quite revealing but it alone in no way makes a case against someone.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 26 2011 09:07 GMT
#892
EBWOP: Ninjaed by coag!
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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
February 26 2011 09:11 GMT
#893
gryffindor is spewing textbook "look at me i lynched a mafia town should worship me" bullshit after lynching his scumbuddy to gain credibility.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
February 26 2011 09:13 GMT
#894
no town aligned player is gonna put that much effort into making sure everyone knows his vote was on scum unless there is an alternate motive.

deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
February 26 2011 09:14 GMT
#895
Vote: Gryffindor

Lying, scummy etc. If your only defense is 'I voted annul' you are going to need something a lot better. Even your 'vote' for him was scummy.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9803 Posts
February 26 2011 09:16 GMT
#896
Ouch, two bluesnipes. Also it's State Patty's day weekend here in PSU so idk when I'll be on.

Hopefully I'll be sober enough to drop in and read stuff.
boomer hands
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 26 2011 09:35 GMT
#897
I'm going to have to start linking my games here as meta...
I haven't ever bussed someone on teamliquid; it isn't how mafia is played here. If you expect people to be bussing, you are playing very poorly as town. Would I really go out of my way to push the lynch of my mafia buddy? Would said mafia buddy THEN counterpush me? Who have I had interactions with that would look like my scumbuddies?

IF I am lynched, this is a very laughable town

Annul had associative tells with both GMarshal and Icemac, both of whom we should pursue lynches on, but you all are so hurt that someone is a better player than you, you can't get over the fact that OMGUS/bussing is just senselessly being thrown at me when both aren't relevant to this particular scenario. The OMGUS relatedness isn't relevant because some OMGUS is very-town, especially when the goal of it is to point out that I'm part of the reason why Annul got lynched.

Apart from GMarshal or IceMac, Seraph would also be a good lynch from my perspective, due to the recent post he made sounding like goading/fake-sincerity regarding the medic/cop snipe, and considering his excuse for lurking in the same post... well, it just reads forced and overly defensive.

GMarshal looks like Annul's buddy to me, because Annul gave him a casual FoS in a post that he failed to try make look real, followed by voting someone else. It was way past where the RVS should end, and it was a lackluster post saying "Well, i'd lynch gmarshal or ___". He listed GMarshal first, talked about him like he was suspicious, then failed to vote him, voting someone else.

Now, I see I have a few votes on me now, so unvote
If you're unfamiliar with me, go read Orgah mafia.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186653
I am a Serial Killer in this game, and obviously scum. I say obviously, because my play there as scum is contrasted with how I am playing in this game. In that game, I was generally unhelpful, lurking, and inactive. This game, I am very active, and dedicated to the town teching up

thanks guys, love you all
i got blisters on me fingers
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
February 26 2011 13:56 GMT
#898
@Gryff

-Comparing your own playstyles means nothing. Also SK is played differently than mafia.

-Saying 'I would do this, I wouldn't do that' means nothing.

-You lied, you haven't explained why you lied. I do not agree with LAL, but if you go and do something and then not give any explanation or reasoning behind it I'm going to keep my vote on you.

@Others

-GMarshal, I feel you gotta step up. It looks like you tried to save annul near the end.
-Coag, want to explain that vote? I've been suspicious of you all game and that doesn't help
-Kenpachi, Ser Aspi, JBright I want to hear more from you.
-Ohn, why, LastArgument;I know you are newer players but I think you've been playing well enough so far. You should post your opinions a bit more if possible.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 26 2011 16:02 GMT
#899
On February 26 2011 12:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Because it needs repeating.

+ Show Spoiler +
The following need to step up their game:

Gofarman - 8 posts
astroorion - 3 posts
JBright - 4 posts
ICanFlyLow - 2 posts
ohN - 3 posts
why - 6 posts
CubEdIn - 6 posts
LastArgument - 7 posts

Fewer that 10 posts this far in is inexcusable. Cubed I know you can do better than that.


I concur

@ICanFlyLow

I understand it's a little intimidating to see 20+ pages of discussion and whatnot, but you need to post a bit more. By a bit more I mean A LOT more. A very easy way to do that is to go to someone's post, click profile, click his postcount and then open all his posts for this game and read through them and then analyse what they have said. Pretty simple. Currently you have....2 posts.

@Gofarman

He's looking for a replacement, don't know what's going to happen here

@ohN

Although he's posted very little, they're pretty good posts by themselves.

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 23 2011 19:21 ohN wrote:
'Just finished catching up

My thoughts:
Cells are a good idea but GMarshal giving us predetermined groups that he thinks we should work with is pretty scummy. They weren't just like 1-3, 4-6 either, he moved them around to his liking.
Not a good candidate for day1 lynch because I don't feel that that alone is enough to incriminate him but definitely FoS on him.

I dont see how people think
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 23 2011 12:40 chaoser wrote:
Ok, so like Gmarshal said, we shouldn't depend on blues this game. Especially since RoL specifically said this game was to punish us for what happened in Salam. At the same thing, I don't think the mafia powers are all THAT powerful. Let them frame away, that's one less death to worry about. PMs are allowed but PLEASE don't just give out crazy info in them (roleclaim, etc.). The point of town is not to have 1 leader controlling everything but small circles that are separated so that if one goes down, the others can still operate. Let's all work together and not let a few players handle all the work (which always seems to happen). This means contributing pleaseee.

is scummy.
Him noting that mafia isn't that powerful is something anybody could point out. Role reversal has huge potential but only if mafia has a confirmed blue. They still have to give up an entire kp to use it so they will not be open to using it without being absolutely sure. Role reversal on a townie does nothing except waste a kp.

I'll probably end up voting for someone who hasn't posted anything useful or that guy who thought annul was inactive(lol).



and

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 25 2011 10:26 ohN wrote:
Icemac is probably town. Bad d1 lynch target. Looks more like a bad/aggressive player than scum.

I'm still not convinced annul is a good lynch.
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 07:25 LSB wrote:
Storytime! Why Annul was an easy read in XXXV
1) He mad up stuff and pushed stuff that didn't exist
Check, this game he's pushing GMarshal, saying GMarshal is clear mafia, although there is literally nothing in his accusation
2) Besides responses, he posted nothing else
Look at Annul's posts. How many of his posts deal with things other than Gmarshal or defending himself? I can't find any.

Annul's not pushing GM that hard, he simply pointed out that GM had a bad idea and is calling him out on it. I don't think he ever said "GM is clear mafia." GM DID propose an arguably terrible plan; how come nobody else is calling him out for that? Annul's not looking any more scum than GM here in my eyes.

Barundar's accusation of Jackal is definitely not convincing but it's not utter crap either. It's an interesting point to look back to in the near future. Slight FoS on Jackal imo.

And finally, why is gryff not getting lynched?
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 15:20 gryffindor wrote:
the HOST actually told me it was a good idea.

Blatant lie here.

Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 17:26 gryffindor wrote:
On February 23 2011 13:19 GMarshal wrote:
for arguments sake going to create analysis cells, use them for informational analysis
(even assuming I were scum there is no way) I could ensure each has a mafia member in it as there isn't enough mafia to go around (I am trying to put at least 1 TL vet in each) as the game progresses and people die we can have new cells form. (also you are free to create your own parallel cells)

1. Coagulation, LSB, gryffindor
2 GMarshal, seRapH, OriginalName
3 Mr. Wiggles, ICanFlyLow, kevconsim
4 Barundar, LastArgument , why
5 darmousseh, Ser Aspi, Kenpachi
6 Gofarman, chaoser, ohN
7 astroorion, CubEdIn, Jackal58
8 Beneather, annul, Conversion
9 icemac, Foolishness, LunarDestiny
10 deconduo, kitaman27, JBright

This is just a suggestion, but I think it is a good one, discuss

This would get us raped by the role reverser, and is really a scummy idea
unvote;
##Vote: GMarshal

Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 22:14 gryffindor wrote:
Cell 1, Cell leader: Coagulation+ Show Spoiler +
1. 5. Jackal58
2. 17. astroorion
3. 1. Coagulation

Cell 2, Cell leader: kitaman27+ Show Spoiler +
4. 19. Gofarman
5. 21. kitaman27
6. 12. icemac

Cell 3, Cell leader: IDC, they're all competant+ Show Spoiler +
7. 6. Kenpachi
8. 2. LSB
9. 26. LunarDestiny

Cell 4, Cell leader: Barundar+ Show Spoiler +
10. 30. LastArgument
11. 3. Barundar
12. 9. gryffindor

Cell 5, Cell leader: deconduo+ Show Spoiler +
13. 16. ohN
14. 28. deconduo
15. 8. annul

Cell 6, Cell leader: Foolishness+ Show Spoiler +
16. 18. Foolishness
17. 27. Ser Aspi
18. 22. kevconsim

Cell 7, Cell leader: Seraph/Mr. Wiggles+ Show Spoiler +
19. 11. Beneather
20. 15. seRapH
21. 24. Mr. Wiggles

Cell 8, Cell leader: OriginalName+ Show Spoiler +
22. 14. JBright
23. 23. ICanFlyLow
24. 13. OriginalName

Cell 9, Cell leader: Chaoser+ Show Spoiler +
25. 7. darmousseh
26. 25. chaoser
27. 20. Conversion MaxwellE

Cell 10, Cell leader: Cubedin+ Show Spoiler +
28. 4. CubEdIn
29. 29. why
30. 10. GMarshal


Now, the "leader" to me is someone who needs to go out of their way to actually collaborate with the other people in their group. If you don't want to use my list of cells, and want to use GMarshal's, whatever. I have a good list I just made right here ready for us to use. Basically, the leaders need to go out of their way to make this work. I am fully confident in these peoples abilities to report what is going on within your cell, and to hold people accountable.

Wait what.

##Vote: gryffindor



Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
February 26 2011 16:43 GMT
#900
Looking over the lynch again, we got off way too easy. Several people called annul out asking for better reasoning and posts, or at least some sort of defense. A good part of his votes was basicly people who didn’t know who else to put their vote on, finding his defense lacking or his posting obstructive. It was by no means a strong bandwagon, and I believe that if annul had really wanted he could have saved himself. Heck, if I had been on his team I would have pressured him to defend himself better as to not die to a weak lynch. No strong counter bandwagon appeared. His goodbye post was not concerned, and he even wished town good luck, wtf? When we got him in mafia xxxv he kicked up a fight and wrote a very emotional goodbye post.

At the same time it’s clear from the night hits that we have at least 1 experienced analysist on the scum team. The only really experienced players in the game are LSB and Foolishness.

LSB is the most suspicious of the 2. He wasn’t the first to get suspicious of annul, or to call him out on his bad play, but he tried to take full credit for the lynch, asking for medic protection instantly. This is exactly how a mafia who has just bussed his team mate will act.

LSB had a possible scumslip to boot:
For example, in PM gryffindor just defended Iceman/annul. When annul flips red this will prove very useful information.


Foolishness on the other hand voted annul to pressure him. He later changed his vote to pressure seraph, and left it there until the lynch. If I was mafia buddy with annul I would have left my vote on him to get town cred or to try and save him.

FoS LSB
Bartundar
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