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On February 25 2011 09:21 Ser Aspi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 08:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
##Vote Annul
I'm not entirely convinced he is scum, and this vote may change before the deadline. As it is though, lynching annul will clear up the thread a bit and make it easier to find scum.
I honestly think between GMarshal and Gryf, one is probably scum. I'm suspicious of both right now, gryf for pushing bad ideas and being wishy-washy, and GMarshal for the timing of his analysis on annul. how nice of you to pop up with this laughably confused post. "not entirely convinced" about annul, huh? Well of ur 10 in game posts (lets compare this to 30 pre-game spam posts now) ur whole agenda has been subtly pushing doubt on aggressive people in general, then proceeding to softly cast doubt on annul. Then you quote gryffindor when he connects annul to GMarshal without adding any insight. What the heck are you trying to do here? Combined with the above quoted post, this is absolutely scummy. If you think one of GMarshal/gryf is scum, why aren't you voting for them? If gryf connected GMarshall and annul, why do you NOT have annul in your "probably scum" pile? if you think lynching annul will clear up the thread, why not vote for gryffindor, who fits both categories of a) spamming up the thread, and b) you think is "probably scum"? Your logic reaks of scum. Burn the witch. ##Unvote
Vote## Mr. Wiggles
30 pregame spam doesn't have much relevance, considering the time period it was over, and that it was, well, spam. I'm not sure how I've been casting doubt on annul, I even defended him against Deconduo's comparison of playstyle. What annul still hasn't done though, is make any post worth anything. Go read XXXV, when he was motivated he was entirely capable of making long, well thought out posts.
I quoted gryf to ask if anyone more experienced had any insight into what he was saying, so it did not get buried in the annul debate, glad you noticed it, what do you think of what he said? No one mentioned anything when I asked.
Between Gmarshal and gryf, I think one might be scum, I am suspicious, and would rather wait a bit more than try to start some moronic bandwagon. I was wondering if gryf's analysis of Gmarshal's actions was even valid, I did not say, "Wow, gryf what an insight!!! Annul/Gmarshal are 100% confirmed scum!", like you seem to be implying.
Unlike annul, gryf has been contributing to the thread, even if his ideas aren't always good, and is giving people stuff to analyze. I don't really see as much one line spam from him. If annul stays around, then this is going to continue for another day of mudslinging and arguing about him. All it's doing is causing obfuscation, and is making it really easy for scum to hide. A player can hurt town without being scum.
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Annul, if you don't do anything people will not switch vote. This play style of yours is getting you lynched. While I still believe your aggressiveness is lower compared to other games, what makes you an easy lynch is that you don't reply with logical responses. I hope that is not what mafia is going for.
Also, town players roleclaim regardless when they are getting lynched. That "you'll know soon after" is not general town play.
Can you at least tell us what you observed?
Well, time to vote...
Icemac, you took a huge dive. Care to explained your voting or what you see on the thread?
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On February 25 2011 10:12 Foolishness wrote:
Taking vote off of annul; purposed served.
##unvote annul
##vote seraph
And what purpose was that Mr. "I'll show up when I want and if you call me on it I'll get you lynched"?
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Icemac is probably town. Bad d1 lynch target. Looks more like a bad/aggressive player than scum.
I'm still not convinced annul is a good lynch.
On February 25 2011 07:25 LSB wrote:
Storytime! Why Annul was an easy read in XXXV
1) He mad up stuff and pushed stuff that didn't exist
Check, this game he's pushing GMarshal, saying GMarshal is clear mafia, although there is literally nothing in his accusation
2) Besides responses, he posted nothing else
Look at Annul's posts. How many of his posts deal with things other than Gmarshal or defending himself? I can't find any.
Annul's not pushing GM that hard, he simply pointed out that GM had a bad idea and is calling him out on it. I don't think he ever said "GM is clear mafia." GM DID propose an arguably terrible plan; how come nobody else is calling him out for that? Annul's not looking any more scum than GM here in my eyes.
Barundar's accusation of Jackal is definitely not convincing but it's not utter crap either. It's an interesting point to look back to in the near future. Slight FoS on Jackal imo.
And finally, why is gryff not getting lynched?
On February 24 2011 15:20 gryffindor wrote:
the HOST actually told me it was a good idea.
Blatant lie here.
On February 23 2011 17:26 gryffindor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 13:19 GMarshal wrote:
for arguments sake going to create analysis cells, use them for informational analysis
(even assuming I were scum there is no way) I could ensure each has a mafia member in it as there isn't enough mafia to go around (I am trying to put at least 1 TL vet in each) as the game progresses and people die we can have new cells form. (also you are free to create your own parallel cells)
1. Coagulation, LSB, gryffindor
2 GMarshal, seRapH, OriginalName
3 Mr. Wiggles, ICanFlyLow, kevconsim
4 Barundar, LastArgument , why
5 darmousseh, Ser Aspi, Kenpachi
6 Gofarman, chaoser, ohN
7 astroorion, CubEdIn, Jackal58
8 Beneather, annul, Conversion
9 icemac, Foolishness, LunarDestiny
10 deconduo, kitaman27, JBright
This is just a suggestion, but I think it is a good one, discuss
This would get us raped by the role reverser, and is really a scummy idea unvote;
##Vote: GMarshal
On February 24 2011 22:14 gryffindor wrote:Cell 1, Cell leader: Coagulation + Show Spoiler + 1. 5. Jackal58
2. 17. astroorion
3. 1. Coagulation Cell 2, Cell leader: kitaman27 + Show Spoiler + 4. 19. Gofarman
5. 21. kitaman27
6. 12. icemac Cell 3, Cell leader: IDC, they're all competant + Show Spoiler + 7. 6. Kenpachi
8. 2. LSB
9. 26. LunarDestiny Cell 4, Cell leader: Barundar + Show Spoiler + 10. 30. LastArgument
11. 3. Barundar
12. 9. gryffindor Cell 5, Cell leader: deconduo + Show Spoiler + 13. 16. ohN
14. 28. deconduo
15. 8. annul Cell 6, Cell leader: Foolishness + Show Spoiler + 16. 18. Foolishness
17. 27. Ser Aspi
18. 22. kevconsim Cell 7, Cell leader: Seraph/Mr. Wiggles + Show Spoiler +19. 11. Beneather
20. 15. seRapH
21. 24. Mr. Wiggles Cell 8, Cell leader: OriginalName + Show Spoiler + 22. 14. JBright
23. 23. ICanFlyLow
24. 13. OriginalName Cell 9, Cell leader: Chaoser + Show Spoiler + 25. 7. darmousseh
26. 25. chaoser
27. 20. Conversion MaxwellE Cell 10, Cell leader: Cubedin + Show Spoiler +28. 4. CubEdIn
29. 29. why
30. 10. GMarshal
Now, the "leader" to me is someone who needs to go out of their way to actually collaborate with the other people in their group. If you don't want to use my list of cells, and want to use GMarshal's, whatever. I have a good list I just made right here ready for us to use. Basically, the leaders need to go out of their way to make this work. I am fully confident in these peoples abilities to report what is going on within your cell, and to hold people accountable.
Wait what.
##Vote: gryffindor
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like always, if i am in danger of lynch, i will have a post ready to go at XX:59 before the vote is locked, and if i am still in the lead, i post it with all of my information.
mafia is not a short-term game. it's a long-term game. just because i MIGHT be dead today doesn't mean i need to give up my entire hand. as it is i still think i have a chance, since people are jumping off my wagon. the problem is they are creating other, split wagons in the process... but with 90 minutes to go, i figure i should keep this up since it is working.
if you want to ask me specific questions i can answer them for you, but basic "what do you think" is fruitless, since ive been answering that and somehow that got me an 11 vote wagon
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alright, i guess it is time to make my move.
i don't like iceman as a lynch, and to be honest i would really rather it be GM (even still). but that won't happen, and i need to save my ass. there seems to be a wiggles and a gryffindor wagon forming, and of these, i'll go with what i think is most likely to roll instead of me.
##unvote
##vote gryffindor
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I'm going to ask that everyone who thinks annul is town move their votes to ICanFlyLow, no one can argue against the fact that ICanFlyLow has been lurking hardcore, and to me at least its somewhat apparent that annul is probably not scum, I've looked around and as far as I can see it is his same posting style. While it is what I see as aggressive it seems to match his style of play in other mafia games, hell he gets credit for thinking I'm scum, at least he unlike quite a few players had an idea. Also annul seems to be hinting at a blue role, if he were scum he would have claimed by now, IMO
If I am wrong and annul flips scum this is going to look terrible for me, but w/e we all have to commit to something
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On February 25 2011 10:29 annul wrote:
like always, if i am in danger of lynch, i will have a post ready to go at XX:59 before the vote is locked, and if i am still in the lead, i post it with all of my information.
mafia is not a short-term game. it's a long-term game. just because i MIGHT be dead today doesn't mean i need to give up my entire hand. as it is i still think i have a chance, since people are jumping off my wagon. the problem is they are creating other, split wagons in the process... but with 90 minutes to go, i figure i should keep this up since it is working.
if you want to ask me specific questions i can answer them for you, but basic "what do you think" is fruitless, since ive been answering that and somehow that got me an 11 vote wagon
OK. Comment on theses (using more than one line please)
-People are saying you are very aggressive.
-Also LSB's points of you:
Storytime! Why Annul was an easy read in XXXV
1) He mad up stuff and pushed stuff that didn't exist
Check, this game he's pushing GMarshal, saying GMarshal is clear mafia, although there is literally nothing in his accusation
2) Besides responses, he posted nothing else
Look at Annul's posts. How many of his posts deal with things other than Gmarshal or defending himself? I can't find any.
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On February 25 2011 10:29 annul wrote:
like always, if i am in danger of lynch, i will have a post ready to go at XX:59 before the vote is locked, and if i am still in the lead, i post it with all of my information.
mafia is not a short-term game. it's a long-term game. just because i MIGHT be dead today doesn't mean i need to give up my entire hand. as it is i still think i have a chance, since people are jumping off my wagon. the problem is they are creating other, split wagons in the process... but with 90 minutes to go, i figure i should keep this up since it is working.
if you want to ask me specific questions i can answer them for you, but basic "what do you think" is fruitless, since ive been answering that and somehow that got me an 11 vote wagon
annul, when will you start posting more substantial things? Do you have anything worthwhile you can show? I don't want to switch my vote and then you disappear from the thread or just keep spamming.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 25 2011 10:37 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 10:29 annul wrote:
like always, if i am in danger of lynch, i will have a post ready to go at XX:59 before the vote is locked, and if i am still in the lead, i post it with all of my information.
mafia is not a short-term game. it's a long-term game. just because i MIGHT be dead today doesn't mean i need to give up my entire hand. as it is i still think i have a chance, since people are jumping off my wagon. the problem is they are creating other, split wagons in the process... but with 90 minutes to go, i figure i should keep this up since it is working.
if you want to ask me specific questions i can answer them for you, but basic "what do you think" is fruitless, since ive been answering that and somehow that got me an 11 vote wagon OK. Comment on theses (using more than one line please) -People are saying you are very aggressive. -Also LSB's points of you: Show nested quote +
Storytime! Why Annul was an easy read in XXXV
1) He mad up stuff and pushed stuff that didn't exist
Check, this game he's pushing GMarshal, saying GMarshal is clear mafia, although there is literally nothing in his accusation
2) Besides responses, he posted nothing else
Look at Annul's posts. How many of his posts deal with things other than Gmarshal or defending himself? I can't find any.
Annul and LSB revel in getting each other lynched.I wouldn't put much stock in anything either of them say about each other.
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1. i am no more aggressive than i ever am. i play this game hard because there is no reason not to. i "go big or go home" usually. aggression is not a bad thing. TL players in general should learn to be more aggressive; it might cure the inactivity problem. nobody can argue that no matter what my role is, at least i make day 1 interesting...
that said, i do not feel myself being purposefully aggressive this game, and in fact i figured i wasnt being as hardcore as i usually am. but who knows, maybe it comes off that way
2. i was "easy to read" in 35 because i attacked LSB day 1 -- as a red -- with logic that LSB thought was crap because he knew he was town and i knew he was town. but i managed to convince everyone about it. i write pages and pages of stuff because A. i figured i could get him dead and B. it gave everyone else on my team cover. i knew i had to remove experience so my team could coast to victory on the back of the inactivity and inexperience remaining in the game. this was calculated and intentional. i still believe LSB gave me a good door to attack him through, even as he may disagree.
35 has nothing to do with 37. GM came up with what i still think was a crap idea, even if some people may like it, so i said such.
3. yeah my posts are related to GM and/or defending myself. it's day 1, these are the only topics at hand. when you get 11 votes of course you will be spending a disproportionate amount of time defending.
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and my god if you want longer posts, give me the time to write them lol
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kitaman27
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On February 23 2011 15:24 Gofarman wrote:I'm down with not killing active people thx. It's always better to knock off inactive early, the active ones leave people more information later on. To that end. ##Vote:annulHope I did that vote right, I'll check and repost if need be.
I also have a question for you annul, why completely ignore this post? I know I surely wouldn't let something like this pass if I was on the chopping block. I would like to see your analysis of gryffindor if you are truly "making your move"
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On February 25 2011 10:55 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 15:24 Gofarman wrote:On February 23 2011 14:33 annul wrote:
but for real lets kill chaoser and GM I'm down with not killing active people thx. It's always better to knock off inactive early, the active ones leave people more information later on. To that end. ##Vote:annulHope I did that vote right, I'll check and repost if need be. I also have a question for you annul, why completely ignore this post? I know I surely wouldn't let something like this pass if I was on the chopping block. I would like to see your analysis of gryffindor if you are truly "making your move"
Im curious on how exactly this got missed and/or completely ignored after it was pointed out -_-
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People who haven't voted
20. MaxwellE - Probably won't be modkilled since he just replaced in
21. kitaman27 - Please vote soon I like you
~1 Hour till polls close
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On February 25 2011 10:25 LunarDestiny wrote:
Annul, if you don't do anything people will not switch vote. This play style of yours is getting you lynched. While I still believe your aggressiveness is lower compared to other games, what makes you an easy lynch is that you don't reply with logical responses. I hope that is not what mafia is going for.
Also, town players roleclaim regardless when they are getting lynched. That "you'll know soon after" is not general town play.
Can you at least tell us what you observed?
Well, time to vote...
Icemac, you took a huge dive. Care to explained your voting or what you see on the thread?
What do you mean by a huge dive. I changed my vote from an afk-player who just stopped going afk to some major bandwagon scum. Playing it by ear.
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i didnt realize gofarman's logic for voting for me. yeah that makes no sense whatsoever.
i cant exactly give you my reason due to an edict imposed onto me by ROL (i offer myself to lightning if i am lying about this). but part of it is "between wiggles and gryffindor, i like gryffindor more."
i haven't done any deep analysis on either of them really, i am only voting to save my ass. but others seem to have done so, so perhaps go with them?
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On February 25 2011 10:51 annul wrote:
2. i was "easy to read" in 35 because i attacked LSB day 1 -- as a red -- with logic that LSB thought was crap because he knew he was town and i knew he was town. but i managed to convince everyone about it. i write pages and pages of stuff because A. i figured i could get him dead and B. it gave everyone else on my team cover. i knew i had to remove experience so my team could coast to victory on the back of the inactivity and inexperience remaining in the game. this was calculated and intentional. i still believe LSB gave me a good door to attack him through, even as he may disagree.
35 has nothing to do with 37. GM came up with what i still think was a crap idea, even if some people may like it, so i said such.
So why is GM's idea sucky? Hmmm?
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survivor day 2 is about to begin, so i am probably going to work on the immunity challenge, unless i die to the SK tonight. if you really need me, PM me or something.
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