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Don't applaud LSB.
A. I picked a character that can be tied to any clue. With hundreds of songs and a wide variety of musical themes (and bad fan music videos) any idiot could say "Well in the lyrics of Airbag it's implied there is a car crash! LSB posted a car! DrH is scum"
B. CubEdIn is either mafia or really bad. He never seemed THIS bad in previous games or this irrational so lets just lynch him. Chaoser is probably the other mafia but I'm not completely confident in that.
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On February 02 2011 03:45 CubEdIn wrote: Right. So you're dismissing one clue because it's a fan-made video, as if it it's not on the OST, it doesn't count. Fact: If you google Apocalypse Now Radiohead, you will see the video. Fact: There is a photo with a music sheet, your character is strongly connected to music. Fact: There is a song by Radiohead called House of Cards.
These are not... lyric related, this is not vague like saying "oh well, see, they had a concert in Denmark, which is where legos come from". No. This is quite directly related: First result in google / Music sheet / Song name
Oh, and nice touch asking to lynch because he is "bad", so then when I flip green you can say "oh he was bad that's why we lynched, not because he put the FoS on me and darmousseh.
And speaking of which, how exactly am I being bad? Are you saying that NONE OF THE THREE CLUES can be rationally related to you, and that I'm just making shit up to try and get out of a lynch?
No any clue can be rationally related to me. Literally any clue.
Go ahead, post some random pics and I'll go ahead and relate them to Radiohead for you. You're bad for thinking your clue analysis is strong and even worse for thinking a fan made video for a radiohead song (not a thom yorke song, nothing that would have EVER come up from the thom yorke wikipedia article) is what LSB just stumbled upon and referenced.
How obscure. The only person who would find that is a mafia looking for ways to incriminate me or a hardcore Radiohead fan.
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On February 02 2011 04:50 Node wrote:The apocalypse now connection is terrible. It's a horrible, unintuitive way to interpret the clue. One could likely find fan-made YouTube videos and google results that could fit any clue to any character. Look, I found a video of a t-Rex made out of legos, so clearly the clue applies to me! That doesn't clear doch, though. The Lego aliens could be linked to the Radiohead song "Subterranean Homesick Alien". I've got nothing on the footprints, though. There is a radiohead song prominently featuring the lyric "I'm not here, this isn't happening", but that's a big enough stretch that I'm willing to discount it. I would say that if the clues do reference Thom Yorke, the first one is the red herring. I think there's something we're missing in reference to another character, but I haven't found anything yet. It's likely a lot more simple than we're making it. I'm also not willing to play the "lynch one guy, and if he's not red, lynch the other guy" game. It's far too easy for town to just attack each other in the clue set-up using the clues instead of actual behavior as their justification. Trust me, just because someone understood a clue wrong it hardly means they are mafia. yes like i said any of the clues can reference me.
1. drop the bomb (sit down. stand up. is a popular radiohead song referring to nuclear warefare and bombs) 2. lego alien (subterannean homesick alien) 3. snow, animal tracks, winter (literally almost everything on the eraser is about global warming/animals disappearing) 4. magic/cards (house of cards) 5. music (musicians)
come up with 5 more random things and I'll relate them to Radiohead.
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On February 02 2011 03:02 CubEdIn wrote: Well I'm sure I'm green and that the clues do not point to me, and I don't mind analysis on myself either, but the way you are dismissing the clues on Dr.H which are far more obvious seems extremely scummy imo. chainsaw defense doesn't directly defend himself but focuses on his bad campaign uses the classic "im so sure im green/when i flip green you'll be sorry" which makes wishy washy players doubt
classic and obvious
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your posts are the scummiest besides cubedin
you don't contribute anything or weigh in on what we're talking about with any weight and just pop up to question your accuser
i'm not 100% sold but if tomorrow there is any connection to you, you're getting lynched
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On February 02 2011 07:03 chaoser wrote:I'm horrible with clues, especially this one since I have no idea where to start. That's why I'm doing more analysis of posts and why I voted Node even though there weren't anything in the clues that talked about him. And that why I'd prefer Kenpachi to be lynched given my read through of his posts. If i had to pick between Dr.H and Cube though, I'd pick Dr. H just cause of the semi connection he has to Kenpachi. If he flips red, we probably have our last mafia. The idea that Jackal's death was bussed is still very much in my head. The way I see it happening is like this. Wiggles and Node provide really solid analysis of the clues and the mafia, seeing that he'd probably get lynched, jumped first to bus him before any townie could vote for him. When he flipped Red, the first person (Dr. H) could always fall back on "why would I bus my own teammate day 1 when no one else had voted for him yet" even though in reality, he was already on the chopping block, mafia just wanted to seem pro town. With Kenpachi's little remarks about how Dr. H is the most pro-town, people would start to think, yeah, maybe he IS pro town and not mafia at all. If you notice, wiggles, node, and shann already put a lot of pressure on Jackal already in the beginning. Dr. H was too busy talking about pandas and whether they eat people or not and all of a sudden busts out with this: Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.
Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does. when his previous posts had all been talking about pandas with Pandain and darmousseh
I've never liked this notion of "bust out" or "out of nowhere"
I'm not the kind of player (anymore) that tells everyone what I'm thinking all the time. if I think someone might be mafia I wait and watch them post more before I say anything. Usually I have a very strong suspicion by day 1 that I'm silent about if I feel the lynch won't go there and I refuse to talk about my thoughts at night unless I think they're really relevant.
It doesn't make any sense. If I posted the entirety of my thought process up into thinking Jackal was the best lynch then I'd just be spamming the thread.
As far as being able to fall back on the bus, I can't do that without being a hypocrite. It's well known that I love bussing. In HP mafia I bussed LSB day 1. In a mini mafia game (i think ran by artanis) I seriously considered bussing my teammate even though i only had one.
If you can tell me how my posting behavior is anti-town or pro-scum please do, but I'm fairly certain you'd have a difficult time doing that. I just try to avoid the poor habits that TL towns have and the rest of you honestly should follow suit. When this game is over I'll talk more about that. I don't like the demanding climate of TL towns and being frustrated about it is part of why I kinda lost a lot of interest in mafia. I'm a player now that likes to post in bursts. I watch the thread quietly and I don't say anything until I have a lot to say.
I dumped Pandain for Jackal for a number of reasons: a. pandain is always the most suspicious townie for numerous reasons such as always lying about his role (pretending to be blue when he's green), being extremely wishy washy, etc. b. i never accused him of being mafia i simply said it was stupid to assume he can't be connected to the day 1 clues. c. jackal fit the clues better d. jackal's posting was scummier
I voted for him for the same reasons the rest of you did. This is a WIFOM argument. Stating that it's possible a mafia would vote for Jackal is fine and people should be well aware of that. I am not cleared because I helped get Jackal lynched even more so because I did so later. But it is not an accusation and it would appear absurd on a list of reasons why I would be suspected of being mafia.
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On February 02 2011 07:36 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 07:35 darmousseh wrote: Dang I think we are looking at these clues all wrong. Something else has got to give. Something tells me that there is a high likelihood that we are going to accidentally lynch green simply because the clues are getting us nowhere. That's why I'm saying lynch Kenpachi...look at his posts... another reason I think you're mafia
kenpachi is always the easiest lynch. I won't beat around the bush, in my honest opinion Kenpachi is the worst player of mafia that plays on a regular basis by far. He has an incredibly scummy and stupid way of playing town. I'll look back and see if there is actually good reason to suspect him.
If it's just his usual wishy washy, non contributive, asking stupid questions self then I say it's a cold lynch until there is a hard clue connection.
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On February 02 2011 05:29 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: your posts are the scummiest besides cubedin
you don't contribute anything or weigh in on what we're talking about with any weight and just pop up to question your accuser
i'm not 100% sold but if tomorrow there is any connection to you, you're getting lynched I didn't think what's his name, Carlos, was mafia. I thought the clues were too easy but everyone was so gung ho about it and I wasn't 100% sure myself so I didn't say anything. After he flipped red the only people i'm pretty sure aren't mafia are wiggles, shann and node now just cause they were so quick to jump on Jackal. You'll probably somehow tie me to the clues like you tried to do today. I mean, bridge? to a magic set? really? That's not even part of Catcher in the Rye... =p I still don't trust you cause this could all be some big mafia ploy which i wouldn't put past you. It's as good of a connection as the House of Cards radiohead song, if not better. More so because the exact quote I stated appears in the wikipedia article.
We can only assume FOR SURE that LSB has read the wikipedia articles linked in the OP post. Anything appearing in those articles or referenced therin is fair grounds for clue connection. Going outside of that is erring on the side of speculation. The bridge quote was within the Holden Caulfield wikipedia article. Whether or not it was in Catcher in the Rye is irrelevant. You linked to Holden Caulfield NOT Catcher In The Rye.
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On February 02 2011 05:53 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 05:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 02 2011 03:02 CubEdIn wrote: Well I'm sure I'm green and that the clues do not point to me, and I don't mind analysis on myself either, but the way you are dismissing the clues on Dr.H which are far more obvious seems extremely scummy imo. chainsaw defense doesn't directly defend himself but focuses on his bad campaign uses the classic "im so sure im green/when i flip green you'll be sorry" which makes wishy washy players doubt classic and obvious Yet, when I did that in the other games, I always turned out town. Go figure. Also, It's not chainsaw defense. I'm defending myself by saying that the way he is tying clues to Raiden is [way] more far-fetched then the ones pointing at DrH. And you can go defend yourself, you can say that they're not related, but if you try to turn it on me, then you better have some very good reasons to do so. Basically, you're turning it on me because I voted for you. That's all. You have no other reason other than "you're playing badly", and I'm playing badly, not because I stretched out on the clues analysis like your buddy, but because there's no possible way I'm town? Really? That's the reasoning? I don't mind it when people defend themselves, but when they do that by trying to turn it around on whoever FoSed them, it's a sign of scum. Sad part is, people probably won't consider you as a target even after I flip green, so you don't have much to fear anyway. I didn't participate at all during day one, I didn't even vote and risked being Mod-killed, even though I was online, because I was simply too busy and forgot I was playing in this. You really think that if I was scum, my partners wouldn't PMed me or something? Anyway, LSB could just like that song OR that movie and thought it was obscure enough to use it as a clue. The fact that it's right there in your face when you google for apocalypse now radiohead, is too much of a coincidence. I'm sorry, it just is. And couple that with the music sheet, house of cards, it points to you more than it points to ANYONE ELSE in this game. And trust me, I looked. And I'm saying that, if the only other option that town found was that they point to motherf*ing RAIDEN, GOD OF THUNDER \o/, then the town deserves to lose. ^_^ And yeah, I'm a radiohead fan, not a "hardcore" one, but I don't see what that has to do with the game.
If the game ends and it turns out you are green as well I'd like you to think long and hard about why your clue analysis was terrible.
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On February 02 2011 07:44 chaoser wrote: Then vote for me. Since you're so sure/think i'm mafia. Put your money where your mouth is. Why would I vote for you when I'm more sure about CubEdIn? Cool defense.
I'll vote for you tomorrow.
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I'm not defending him I'm saying his post history is inconclusive. It doesn't incriminate him as mafia because that's the way he usually posts. I did just read it. It's Kenpachi being Kenpachi.
I wouldn't say "Pandain is mafia becuase he pretended to be a mad hatter" because he always does shit like that when he's town. If annul lied about his role then I would tell people.
Kenpachi is acting like Kenpachi. I hate having players like him in the game because he's so bad at the game it's really difficult to read him. That's why I don't want to lynch him. Nothing he said was scummy when you put it in the context of how he plays. He always posts like that as town and I don't remember participating in any games where he was mafia. Players like that usually act the same. That's why I said wait until there is a clue connection.
It sounds like you just want to avoid lynching CubEdIn who has both: poor/scummy post behavior (in the context of his previous games) clue connections
kenpachi has: bad posts
but he always does. I don't like to analyse coagulation either because he's always spammy and just says irrelevant shit. He always is quick to accuse someone with bad logic whether he's scum or town. I think it's a pretty simple concept to understand. Go look at all the games where Kenpachi got lynched day 1 for this reasons and how town vowed "never again we accept kenpachi plays in this bad and scummy style as town!" and then lynch him again. He's the obvious target but when you look at the "metagame" (a word I hate to use) it just isn't a strong case. Sorry.
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On February 02 2011 08:19 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 05:53 CubEdIn wrote:
I didn't participate at all during day one, I didn't even vote and risked being Mod-killed, even though I was online, because I was simply too busy and forgot I was playing in this. . ???? U posted once after the game started talking about how clues could relate to Raiden. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2011 21:59 CubEdIn wrote: Hi everyone.
First of all, the Raiden reference. I don't see how it connects to the body disappearances. If you mean the ability to teleport, Raiden has the ability to teleport himself, not other things (at least in the games and movies, but I guess it can be interpreted).
Second of all, I got Kenpachi covered, I watched bleach and I liked the character. A few main traits are: - loves battle, lives for it, but is fair, would not kill people with arrows or a wall - uses his sword and that's about it - is really fast and really really powerful, especially when he removes his eye-patch - has a skewed view on honor, I can't really explain this, but basically he'll follow "honor" rules, but doesn't respect many things in general. Also, if he would be killing something, there would be A LOT of blood around.
I did a quick look at the profiles and Gaara seems to be the strongest clue (with the crushing and sand and all), but I didn't have time to carefully analyze all of them yet.
Will be back in the evening for more hunting.
Sort of lethargic here, I'll try to post an analysis on Cubed in shortly. Originally I thought he was town, but looking over his posts his play reminds me of mine in Insane mafia, where even if my logic was pretty bad I would stick to it. well he's just lying
something only mafia need to do
one reason you shoudl stop doing it allt he time
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On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1. there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him
why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play.
its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse.
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On February 03 2011 03:14 chaoser wrote: Also, the snow -> elements -> God of Thunder is kind of a stretch...in my opinion...does no one else think that's a stretch?? Yes. I'd consider you as I think there are two fairly decent connections. Raiden can be tied to every clue, not just the snow one.
It could just as well be Shann. It's hard to say, the clues are difficult. I want to lynch you or CubEdIn. Your play is actually scummy.
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On February 03 2011 03:19 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2011 03:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1. there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play. its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse. Condescending play is condescending. Something mafia would pull when they're in a bind. There's no need for it if you're town. I've done it before as mafia, and I've seen others do it as well. When Cubein flips green, you do realize you're on the chopping block right? If he flips red, well mafia should just give up at that point since it's an almost full town. It's not condescending. It is possible he's just green and playing badly. Being wrong wouldn't make me scum. Seems to me like you're doing 2 things:
a. avoiding my point about kenpachi. I responded to you calling my "defense" ridiculous (when it isn't really a defense at all) b. setting it up (if you are mafia and cubedin is not) so that when cubedin flips green you can push me for a lynch.
If I'm on the chopping block it's because I played scummily not because I thought someone was mafia and was wrong about that. What a retarded way to look at it.
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On February 03 2011 03:43 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2011 03:19 chaoser wrote:On February 03 2011 03:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 03 2011 03:09 chaoser wrote: Bad town play, whether they are mafia or not, should be punished. The fact of the matter is, we don't know if Kenpachi is playing badly as town or if he's mafia, regardless of how he acted in previous games. I'm going to stick my vote on him. If we excuse his play as "just a bad townie" then we screw ourselves over the day he's actually a mafia.
As for the clues, I think when it comes down to it, it's between Cubed and Dr.H. Between the two of them, I'd rather lynch Dr.H cause if he's red then we have a connection between him and Kenpachi; plus i get to feel smart about figuring out their plan of bussing Jackal on day 1. there is no connection between me and kenpachi i just dont want to lynch him unless a clue points at him why cant you understand what im saying when i mean analysis is inconclusive in light of how terrible he is. his play in this game is directly in line with town play. its like lynching bill murray because he spammed or lynching NB for asking a dumb question. also "lynching for information" is a scum play anyway. You look worse and worse. Condescending play is condescending. Something mafia would pull when they're in a bind. There's no need for it if you're town. I've done it before as mafia, and I've seen others do it as well. When Cubein flips green, you do realize you're on the chopping block right? If he flips red, well mafia should just give up at that point since it's an almost full town. Or DrH and Cubed are both green or red which is still unlikely but it can happen. In any case the best way to move forward today is if we lynch either of those 2. Like you also said, if Cubed does flip green then it's most likely that the other is red and in which Kenpachi is automatically solved as well. So by going by this logic and my analysis of Cubed and DrH and the circumstances we're in I'm voting against Cubed. ##Vote CubEdIn
wtf these assumptions are terrible
why is it "unlikely" that both me and cubedin are green? that's stupid. why does knowing my alignment have anything to do with kenpachi? i don't really understand why anyone would think any of these things.
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##Unvote CubEdIn ##Vote Chaoser
I feel that this is gonna be a youngminii situation with me and CubEdIn. Chaoser is pretty transparent and the mafia would be too desperate to bus. Chaoser played kinda scummily in Salem Mafia though (where he was green) but not this bad.
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On February 03 2011 05:08 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2011 04:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Unvote CubEdIn ##Vote Chaoser
I feel that this is gonna be a youngminii situation with me and CubEdIn. Chaoser is pretty transparent and the mafia would be too desperate to bus. Chaoser played kinda scummily in Salem Mafia though (where he was green) but not this bad. Lol so instead of sticking to the clues, you jump off the ship and vote for me. Typical mafia move. Why not see where the ship is going? You were so 100% sure Cubed was mafia before too. Panic much?
My vote for CubEdIn has nothing to do with clues. I also never said I was 100% sure. Why would I panic about lynching CubEdIn? I'm more confident about you.
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On February 03 2011 05:16 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 07:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 02 2011 07:44 chaoser wrote: Then vote for me. Since you're so sure/think i'm mafia. Put your money where your mouth is. Why would I vote for you when I'm more sure about CubEdIn? Cool defense. I'll vote for you tomorrow. So you basically go back on your whole campaign of Cubedin being mafia and want to lynch me even though the clues connect to either you or him? Nice try lol. I connected them to you instead.
You criticize me for being "condescending" when you cover up real arguments with bullshit responses like this. Minds change. If I were to rank the three most likely mafia in order it would be:
you cubedin shann
That's how I currently feel and my vote will reflect that. Your posting behavior is much more worrying than CubEdIn so I'm voting for you. Like I've said many times post behavior >>>>> clues. I don't feel the clues are that strong on anyone. Actually they're probably strongest on Shann, Pandain had a good analysis.
But post behavior comes first.
You: 1. avoid direct arguments, ignoring posts where I explain what I'm thinking 2. create fake inconsistencies in my posts 3. repeat bullshit ideas like "either DrH or CubEdIn is red" which are devastating when used correctly by mafia 4. implying I had a "campaign" against CubEdIn. I went pretty soft on him. I didn't encourage others to vote for him and I was actually the last one to do so. I'm careful with bandwagons, don't give the impression that I'm playing recklessly.
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