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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2011 03:27 GMT
#521
wow really

[image loading]

##Unvote Node

##Vote Darmousseh
RIP Aaliyah
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 08 2011 03:43 GMT
#522
? why
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2011 04:05 GMT
#523
yet you didn't ask me why I switched my vote to node in the first place lol
RIP Aaliyah
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 08 2011 04:13 GMT
#524
I think I solved the day 2 puzzle. Will be posting it in a few minutes.
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
February 08 2011 04:21 GMT
#525
I thought darmousseh was the one who came up with the plan and with the people. I remember darmousseh making a post about it that he suggested the plan to drH which is suspicious now that he says drH was the one suggesting Node should be the volunteer.

And I've said it before. If we got townie out of it then it's still going to be a guess. Post behavior can help us but we don't have much on those 2 in the first place.

Node didn't do anything whereas darmousseh did a lot in day 3.
It does say something about Node just being quiet but something scummy?

We people are forgetting that there are 2 mafia left. The 2nd mafia will help the other mafia in order to get a mafia win right here. We need to tread carefully how we approach this. We know darmousseh or node is mafia and the other one must be helping them just to push for the wrong vote.

Kenpachi and Gmarshall being like sheeps should think for themselves rather than listening to others. You 2 are the perfect people to bait for mafia right now.

I can't imagine Node being mafia but darmousseh just PM'ed me accusing that Node and I was mafia that both of us are convincing others to vote against darmousseh but like I said before. Node hasn't said anything and I know I'm town. What would the reason darmousseh pming me have if he were mafia? Most logical would be that he's trying to save town which would make me think about it but it may as well be a last ditch effort to bring me off my path to finding mafia.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2011 04:36 GMT
#526
post your solution of the day 2 puzzle and contribute something other than obvious observations please
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2011 04:38 GMT
#527
##Unvote Darmousseh

##Vote Shann

Need to stick with post behavior. Not to mention he is the best fit for day 2. Unless your analysis is amazing I'm sticking with this and I suggest the town sheep me. Shann has done nothing except for defend himself and accuse me of being mafia really. If he flips red then we can kiss Node goodbye. If not this game is probably lost and I'd guess that the mafia team is darmousseh/kenpachi.

If you guys want to go with the 50/50 between darm and node go ahead but please do your own analysis. Read all of their posts and think about what they are trying to accomplish. Don't focus on things like inconsistency/inactivity because that isn't very important. I personally believe town is more likely to make mistakes than mafia since they are less careful about posting (no implicit guilt)
RIP Aaliyah
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
February 08 2011 04:48 GMT
#528
On February 08 2011 13:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
##Unvote Darmousseh

##Vote Shann

Need to stick with post behavior. Not to mention he is the best fit for day 2. Unless your analysis is amazing I'm sticking with this and I suggest the town sheep me. Shann has done nothing except for defend himself and accuse me of being mafia really. If he flips red then we can kiss Node goodbye. If not this game is probably lost and I'd guess that the mafia team is darmousseh/kenpachi.

If you guys want to go with the 50/50 between darm and node go ahead but please do your own analysis. Read all of their posts and think about what they are trying to accomplish. Don't focus on things like inconsistency/inactivity because that isn't very important. I personally believe town is more likely to make mistakes than mafia since they are less careful about posting (no implicit guilt)

Well atleast you're consistent in changing your mind.

I have been defending myself whole time? Really? Acussing you of mafia whole time? Really?
If you hadn't noticed I even thought you were green before day 2 but with the way things has worked out after day 2 I've noticed that you just accuse everyone of mafia. This hasn't helped town at all. Which is why I find it so scummy of you. Pointing fingers and just vote for them for no good reason. Analysing posts?
And people actually believe that crap you do. Just the past 24 hours you've accused darmousseh/node AND me now. Before that it was cubed and chaoser and we all know how that happened. You're just bad for town or you're mafia. Either way I should've pushed to lynch you whether you're town or mafia when we found out cubed was town because you're dragging everyone down.

And it can't be a coincidence when chaoser/cubed thought you were mafia.

If you really are town then you should be analysing Darmousseh/Node first because one of those 2 is lying and mafia. After that you can focus on me all you want. I'll be doing the same on you.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 08 2011 04:51 GMT
#529
On February 08 2011 13:21 shannn wrote:
I thought darmousseh was the one who came up with the plan and with the people. I remember darmousseh making a post about it that he suggested the plan to drH which is suspicious now that he says drH was the one suggesting Node should be the volunteer.

And I've said it before. If we got townie out of it then it's still going to be a guess. Post behavior can help us but we don't have much on those 2 in the first place.

Node didn't do anything whereas darmousseh did a lot in day 3.
It does say something about Node just being quiet but something scummy?

We people are forgetting that there are 2 mafia left. The 2nd mafia will help the other mafia in order to get a mafia win right here. We need to tread carefully how we approach this. We know darmousseh or node is mafia and the other one must be helping them just to push for the wrong vote.

Kenpachi and Gmarshall being like sheeps should think for themselves rather than listening to others. You 2 are the perfect people to bait for mafia right now.

I can't imagine Node being mafia but darmousseh just PM'ed me accusing that Node and I was mafia that both of us are convincing others to vote against darmousseh but like I said before. Node hasn't said anything and I know I'm town. What would the reason darmousseh pming me have if he were mafia? Most logical would be that he's trying to save town which would make me think about it but it may as well be a last ditch effort to bring me off my path to finding mafia.


Shann, that was the most brilliant post ever, but I think I just figured it out.

So I promised clues and here they are.

Suspect Q

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_at_Farpoint

Q threatens to destroy humanity for its crimes.
Using his magical powers he forces picard and the others to pass a test.
Twice he freezes people to show his power, once at a random lieutenant, then again he freezes lieutenant yar.
Eventually picard and the others discover the secret of farpoint station which is the two trapped aliens.


Clue #1 threatens to destroy humanity
Clue #2 two trapped aliens, or a reference to the fact that Q froze exactly 2 people.(the aliens are blue which is what they look like in the show too. Also one lego guy has a suit which looks similar to the one in the episode.
Clue #3 Q's freezing ability
Clue #4 Q's magical ability.


Here are some clips from the show
+ Show Spoiler +
Q threatens to destroy humanity.[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Freezing lieutenant Yar.[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
The guy with the suit that looks like the one in the lego scene.[image loading]



The final thing is that the heart of darkness is a reference to the fact that Q judged that humanity was dangerous
+ Show Spoiler +
But you can't deny Captain, that
you're still a dangerous, savage
child-race.

PICARD
Most certainly I deny it. I agree
that we still were when ...
(indicating)
... humans wore costumes like that
four hundred years ago...

"Q" (MARINE CAPTAIN)
At which time you slaughtered
millions in silly arguments about
how to divide the resources of
your little world. And four
hundred years before that you were
murdering each other in quarrels
over tribal god-images. And since
there have been no indications
that humans will ever change
.....


Which is almost the entire premise of the book heart of darkness.


My new plan then is this, vote shann and town wins

##Unvote
##Vote: Shannn





Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2011 04:52 GMT
#530
lol what else are you suppoosed to do except accuse/find mafia

that's the whole point of this fucking game. lol i didn't want cubed lynched and I didn't want chaoser lynched. the only lynch I followed through on was jackal58. your accusation of me being mafia is basically this

"Well you caught mafia day 1 and then you accused people wrongly but changed your mind when you figured they were probably town but because town lynched them and you ended up right, you must be mafia!"

what do you want me to do? follow through with the incorrect lynches or just perfectly pick mafia every time? dumb.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 08 2011 04:52 GMT
#531
On February 08 2011 13:51 darmousseh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2011 13:21 shannn wrote:
I thought darmousseh was the one who came up with the plan and with the people. I remember darmousseh making a post about it that he suggested the plan to drH which is suspicious now that he says drH was the one suggesting Node should be the volunteer.

And I've said it before. If we got townie out of it then it's still going to be a guess. Post behavior can help us but we don't have much on those 2 in the first place.

Node didn't do anything whereas darmousseh did a lot in day 3.
It does say something about Node just being quiet but something scummy?

We people are forgetting that there are 2 mafia left. The 2nd mafia will help the other mafia in order to get a mafia win right here. We need to tread carefully how we approach this. We know darmousseh or node is mafia and the other one must be helping them just to push for the wrong vote.

Kenpachi and Gmarshall being like sheeps should think for themselves rather than listening to others. You 2 are the perfect people to bait for mafia right now.

I can't imagine Node being mafia but darmousseh just PM'ed me accusing that Node and I was mafia that both of us are convincing others to vote against darmousseh but like I said before. Node hasn't said anything and I know I'm town. What would the reason darmousseh pming me have if he were mafia? Most logical would be that he's trying to save town which would make me think about it but it may as well be a last ditch effort to bring me off my path to finding mafia.


Shann, that was the most brilliant post ever, but I think I just figured it out.

So I promised clues and here they are.

Suspect Q

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_at_Farpoint

Q threatens to destroy humanity for its crimes.
Using his magical powers he forces picard and the others to pass a test.
Twice he freezes people to show his power, once at a random lieutenant, then again he freezes lieutenant yar.
Eventually picard and the others discover the secret of farpoint station which is the two trapped aliens.


Clue #1 threatens to destroy humanity
Clue #2 two trapped aliens, or a reference to the fact that Q froze exactly 2 people.(the aliens are blue which is what they look like in the show too. Also one lego guy has a suit which looks similar to the one in the episode.
Clue #3 Q's freezing ability
Clue #4 Q's magical ability.


Here are some clips from the show
+ Show Spoiler +
Q threatens to destroy humanity.[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Freezing lieutenant Yar.[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
The guy with the suit that looks like the one in the lego scene.[image loading]



The final thing is that the heart of darkness is a reference to the fact that Q judged that humanity was dangerous
+ Show Spoiler +
But you can't deny Captain, that
you're still a dangerous, savage
child-race.

PICARD
Most certainly I deny it. I agree
that we still were when ...
(indicating)
... humans wore costumes like that
four hundred years ago...

"Q" (MARINE CAPTAIN)
At which time you slaughtered
millions in silly arguments about
how to divide the resources of
your little world. And four
hundred years before that you were
murdering each other in quarrels
over tribal god-images. And since
there have been no indications
that humans will ever change
.....


Which is almost the entire premise of the book heart of darkness.


My new plan then is this, vote shann and town wins

##Unvote
##Vote: Shannn






don't call it brilliant you'll give him the impression he said anything that made sense this entire game which would be awful
RIP Aaliyah
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 08 2011 04:57 GMT
#532
##unvote Node
##vote Shannn


Clues are the only thing that worked for us this game (jackal -_-) and im going to sheep again but hey, no strong evidence to raise other suspects..
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
February 08 2011 05:05 GMT
#533
On February 08 2011 13:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol what else are you suppoosed to do except accuse/find mafia

that's the whole point of this fucking game. lol i didn't want cubed lynched and I didn't want chaoser lynched. the only lynch I followed through on was jackal58. your accusation of me being mafia is basically this

"Well you caught mafia day 1 and then you accused people wrongly but changed your mind when you figured they were probably town but because town lynched them and you ended up right, you must be mafia!"

what do you want me to do? follow through with the incorrect lynches or just perfectly pick mafia every time? dumb.

I didn't say you should not accuse people. I said that your way of accusing people just by post behavior has been wrong so far. You haven't analysed much at all. What good has your way of helping us done so far? Nothing. Everyone just went along with you which is why I'm not doing it anymore. It sucked for town because this is how we lost Cubed. You've set up accusing Chaoser whole game and then when Chaoser said he was medic you found the opportunity to actually benefit on this by not accusing him because everyone else like me thought it might be right but also a last ditch effort.

In either way when Chaoser is lynched or not you would not be in suspicion.
And no you didn't caught mafia day 1. You didn't do an analysis at all. You were the first one to vote for Jackal without reasoning either. Sorry but I'm not buying that crap.
On February 08 2011 13:51 darmousseh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2011 13:21 shannn wrote:
I thought darmousseh was the one who came up with the plan and with the people. I remember darmousseh making a post about it that he suggested the plan to drH which is suspicious now that he says drH was the one suggesting Node should be the volunteer.

And I've said it before. If we got townie out of it then it's still going to be a guess. Post behavior can help us but we don't have much on those 2 in the first place.

Node didn't do anything whereas darmousseh did a lot in day 3.
It does say something about Node just being quiet but something scummy?

We people are forgetting that there are 2 mafia left. The 2nd mafia will help the other mafia in order to get a mafia win right here. We need to tread carefully how we approach this. We know darmousseh or node is mafia and the other one must be helping them just to push for the wrong vote.

Kenpachi and Gmarshall being like sheeps should think for themselves rather than listening to others. You 2 are the perfect people to bait for mafia right now.

I can't imagine Node being mafia but darmousseh just PM'ed me accusing that Node and I was mafia that both of us are convincing others to vote against darmousseh but like I said before. Node hasn't said anything and I know I'm town. What would the reason darmousseh pming me have if he were mafia? Most logical would be that he's trying to save town which would make me think about it but it may as well be a last ditch effort to bring me off my path to finding mafia.


Shann, that was the most brilliant post ever, but I think I just figured it out.

So I promised clues and here they are.

Suspect Q

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_at_Farpoint

Q threatens to destroy humanity for its crimes.
Using his magical powers he forces picard and the others to pass a test.
Twice he freezes people to show his power, once at a random lieutenant, then again he freezes lieutenant yar.
Eventually picard and the others discover the secret of farpoint station which is the two trapped aliens.


Clue #1 threatens to destroy humanity
Clue #2 two trapped aliens, or a reference to the fact that Q froze exactly 2 people.(the aliens are blue which is what they look like in the show too. Also one lego guy has a suit which looks similar to the one in the episode.
Clue #3 Q's freezing ability
Clue #4 Q's magical ability.


Here are some clips from the show
+ Show Spoiler +
Q threatens to destroy humanity.[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Freezing lieutenant Yar.[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
The guy with the suit that looks like the one in the lego scene.[image loading]



The final thing is that the heart of darkness is a reference to the fact that Q judged that humanity was dangerous
+ Show Spoiler +
But you can't deny Captain, that
you're still a dangerous, savage
child-race.

PICARD
Most certainly I deny it. I agree
that we still were when ...
(indicating)
... humans wore costumes like that
four hundred years ago...

"Q" (MARINE CAPTAIN)
At which time you slaughtered
millions in silly arguments about
how to divide the resources of
your little world. And four
hundred years before that you were
murdering each other in quarrels
over tribal god-images. And since
there have been no indications
that humans will ever change
.....


Which is almost the entire premise of the book heart of darkness.


My new plan then is this, vote shann and town wins

##Unvote
##Vote: Shannn






Good analysis I'll give you that but the clues aren't about me. I can't defend myself because I've already pointed out why I think the day 2 clues are not about me and I was not the only one. I can't believe it tbh. Even cubed said that when we lynch him we should look at drH after. How can those hints not be so straighforward then? It's so simple yet people ignore them. It's mindblowing.

I have to agree with Cubed that town should lose.
So everyone can vote for me and then just think about themselves.

It's quite clever that darmousseh AND drH are accusing me using different reasoning to get rid of me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 08 2011 05:08 GMT
#534
Oh another thing too is if you look at the wikipedia page on Q in the overview, the very first line talks about his debut episode, which is encounter at farpoint.

In the jackal clues, LSB found a single event from the wikipedia and expanded. This is the same, LSB probably went to the page, found the first reference (which is the farpoint station episode) and then picked some stuff from it (Q's freezing ability, the throne room scene, Q's threatening to destroy humanity, his magical powers). Since he said he took the pictures himself, it leads me to believe the alien with the suit is intentional.

People had found references to Q earlier, but I think the kicker was remembering the freezing scene and then the snow scene clue makes sense and the fact that it seems to point to a very specific event (farpoint episode).

Also on the clues

#2 the lego scene is reminiscent of the judgement room in the episode.
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
February 08 2011 05:13 GMT
#535
It is amazing that people are not focussing on the task at hand too. I won't say no to accuse someone but there are 2 people now which atleast 1 of them is mafia. Yet people are now diverting from the plan EVEN the creator. We've figured out the scenario's which is if the lynched is town which is true then the remaining people has atleast 1 mafia. But everyone ignores this. Analysing their post behavior is top priority yet not doing that. Especially with the 2 sheeps, town is surely going to lose when 2 mafia is voting against me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 08 2011 16:54 GMT
#536
On February 08 2011 14:13 shannn wrote:
It is amazing that people are not focussing on the task at hand too. I won't say no to accuse someone but there are 2 people now which atleast 1 of them is mafia. Yet people are now diverting from the plan EVEN the creator. We've figured out the scenario's which is if the lynched is town which is true then the remaining people has atleast 1 mafia. But everyone ignores this. Analysing their post behavior is top priority yet not doing that. Especially with the 2 sheeps, town is surely going to lose when 2 mafia is voting against me.



Now that I think you are mafia from the day 2 clues, your volunteering to take node's spot make sense since the clues on you fit for day 2 and there are no clues to fit node yet. If you were in nodes position and got lynched instead of node, then we would have absolutely no clues to go on after that. Since you knew that a mafia would get lynched with my plan, you tried to do what you described earlier as "damage control" and sac yourself in order to ensure that node survives since we have no clues. Node would then probably take that opportunity to criticize DrH and try to get town to mislynch. The reason you did this was because you believed town would stick 100% with my original plan. When DrH started to propose lynching me instead, you used that opportunity to try to win the game, but now you are backed into a corner you didn't see, which is figuring out the clues and lynching you instead.
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 08 2011 23:30 GMT
#537
When does day end LSB?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
February 08 2011 23:55 GMT
#538
11:00KST today (in about 2 hours)

Darmousseh
Shann
Node

Node
Gmarshal

Shann (3)
DoctorHelvetica
Darmousseh
Kenpachi
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 09 2011 01:09 GMT
#539
The clues seem compelling to me, also the only success we've had in finding scum was by clue analysis so I might as well put faith in it, of course if its wrong it means Darmousseh is mafia (and probably Dr.H as well) [so if your analysis is wrong we probably lose] The thing that makes me trust Dr.H is the fact that he defended chaoser when the rest of us went to hang him
##Unvote
##Vote: Shannn
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
February 09 2011 02:03 GMT
#540
The Final Night
[image loading]


Shann the Townie was lynched
DoctorHelvetica the Townie was killed

Congradulations to Jackel58, Node, and GMarshal for their victory



Awards

Best player: SouthRawrea
Player who was decent at clues: Mr. Wiggles


+ Show Spoiler [Role List] +

chaoser- Medic
darmousseh- Townie
CubEdIn- Townie
GMarshal- Mafia
shannn- Townie
Node- Mafia
Jackal58- Mafia
DoctorHelvetica- Townie
Mr. Wiggles- Townie
Kenpachi- Veteran
Pandain- Veteran



Clues and Puzzles explained

Day 1- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187599&currentpage=7#133

Day 2- + Show Spoiler +
The key is Gulliver’s Travels. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulliver's_Travels
Lego men represents smallness (Part 1: Lilliput)
The Magic Set represents entertainment (Part 2: Brobdingnag)
The sheet music represents music. (Part 3: Laputa)
The quote from heart of darkness represents xenophobia. (Part 4: Gulliver's distaste of the Yahoos)

The Footsteps was the red herring because it isn't one of the 4 parts of Gulliver's travels, however it does represent Travels and shouldof set you in the right direction


Day 3- + Show Spoiler +

The plan was fine, but you actually needed to do analysis rather than randomly picking node. I personally would have gone with Shann


Day 4- + Show Spoiler +

The town (and mafia) was playing horribly at this point. The clue was suppose to tell people that they were wayyy of target.



Analysis to come soon
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