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On February 10 2011 07:36 pevergreen wrote: At this point its a question of if this game will start at all, so I'm fine with the absence. /in that case, ... in | ||
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I see that there are only 3 scum, and there's no abstaining. We're almost certainly gonna be lynching a lot of townies this game. KP will be our best indicator of lynch success it looks like, though if we kill the GF we may not realize immediately. I'm most interested in getting to know the new guys pevergreen brought over, so let's get down to business: Vote: ELITECubWarman8 for being new and having such a long fricking name. | ||
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On February 11 2011 13:50 Coagulation wrote: We should lynch zerroth because the last game completely inactive only posted/vote to avoid modkill etc Lets get the inactives out now Oh WTF zerroth is playing? he got modkilled I thought he was doing a 1 game ban right now. Hmm... I guess that will start after this game then. And, I suck Kita? I'm guessing this is just your character talking... + Show Spoiler + @Ace: I agree 27/3 is pretty stacked. Since the OP specifically says Mafia is 2 grunts + Godfather, I'm guessing there's a third party. Possibly mafia can recruit, possibly there are "townies" that win with scum (can't remember the term for that). Or as you say, OP scum roles. I'm tempted to browse pevergreen's games at the other site since I have a feeling he's run this exact setup before... No time for that at the moment unfortunately. | ||
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On February 11 2011 15:23 Believer wrote: Everyone has been new at some point, cut them some slack. Chill out! Spoiler-tagging for long quote. :') + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2011 15:04 why wrote: I've read a couple of pever's game and it looks like there are tons of different alignments in play. For example, here is the role list for the Revenge of Irishmore which resulted in a cult victory (I think, there were multiple endings): + Show Spoiler + Mafia members: A Very Super Market Askthepizzaguy Csargo spL1tp3r50naL1ty TinCow Australian Cult Members: Methos YLC atheotes Kiwi Cult Member: atheotes Scottish killers: Thermal Mercury Warman Doctors: Dr. Yaseikhaan Lord Winter the intern Renata the Emergency Room specialist. Joooray the Pyschiatrist French Kidnapper: Sigurd Arsonist: Reenk Roink Original carer of Wee Sean: Sasaki Kojiro Town Drunk: GeneralHankerchief Priest: Centurion1 Queen: Chaotix Special Townie: Diamondeye Detective: Scienter Pretty sure that is 2 cults and a mafia team, and that was when there were 5 mafia members... I think we have to be ready for anything. Anyway, back to the actual game. I don't know how you usually play, coag, but you are reacting really really defensively to votes that were little more than jokes that popped up because people were bored. Not sure if you usually react this way or there's some history involved, but its definitely setting off alarm bells. And GGQ, I too would like at least some explanation of your vote on coag. Everyone else has at least a sentence explaining their vote. Come on now, wouldn't you get aggravated if you were accused of something you were not? He's probably just a bit on edge at the moment, let him cool off and he'll show a valuable asset in the future. :') First off, don't edit. It's a cardinal sin, or perhaps a mortal sin (anyone know which is worse?). Second, before you start defending Coag, I'd go look at some of his prior games. His play style is hard to read at best, and harmful to town at worst... Why, thanks for doing that extra research. I'll tentatively assume we're dealing with cult(s) for now. Did you happen to see what kind of KP or abilities the cults had? Sorry for not looking myself, but I'm trying to develop a function/algorithim for a spreadsheet for work at the moment... | ||
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On February 11 2011 16:17 gryffindor wrote: I see Coagulation is spazzing out. Why are you spamming the thread? I have a town read already, but I will not disclose on who, and a casual suspicion. I will have to wait to see if I can pick up on any associative tells from them in the future. I might be reading too much into the situation. I do not want to tip them off to tighten up their game, though, as I want to see them lynched. I am not really for Day 1 policy lynches if the person is town. Does anyone have any meta on Coagulation? I don't want to lose a player to a mislynch, though I do not know his alignment. Can anyone help out on this? Thanks! On February 11 2011 16:51 Node wrote: Coagulation is generally known for being spammy and in general terrible. That's not to say it's entirely true, but it's what he's known for. However, he often has decent reads on who is mafia, but isn't really able to back them up with proper analysis and arguments. For instance, in XXXVI he correctly identified about half of the scum team in his posts. Everybody ignored him, and I can't blame them for doing so. The rest of his posts were mostly spam and defense of himself when he was called out for being spammy. His play is ordinary so far. On February 11 2011 16:56 gryffindor wrote: So, let me get this straight, you're defending him by saying he plays the same way as both town and scum? So let me get this straight... You ask for meta on Coag because he's acting strange, Node gives it to you, then all the sudden Node is scum for buddying up to Coag who is all of a sudden likely town? Damn, you're either light years ahead of me...or...That doesn't really make sense does it? FOS on gryffindor. I won't change my vote yet, until more people have posted and I have reads on more people. But your logic for voting Node is suspect to say the least. Node is correct about Coag by the way, whether or not either of them is scum. Coag has done nothing unusual for his own 'meta' so far this game. | ||
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Remember everyone, zerroth is not the only inactive at present. People with no posts since day start: - Siniquity - Zerroth - Project Psycho* - Johnhughthom* - ELITEcubwarman8* - Insanious - Beefy187* - me_viet* * indicates people with no posts in this thread at all, meaning they may not have access yet. If access is not granted soon, I hope Pevergreen would consider extending day some more. Of the people without asterisks, all of them (insanious, siniquity, and zerroth) have had issues with inactivity in the past, and are all equally eligible for that sort of policy lynch. Actually I don't remember any mod actions against siniquity (I know zerroth has a modkill/ban and insanious is sitting on a warning). But I don't remember siniquity being particularly active either. IN ANY CASE, the sheeping on zerroth is DT worthy, as Ace pointed out. Also, I'd like to say this post is scummy. On February 12 2011 06:09 SouthRawrea wrote: I'm not sure if you're all aware but the point of this game is to scumhunt, find and then subsequently lynch the mafia. I highly recommend any newer players to ask questions early on before we get into deep shit because we want you to learn whilst also not having you as a liability. That being said with this vote count it's not hard to see that we're largely divided on votes right now: Vote Count Misder:1 EliteClubwarman:1 theflufflyone93:1 Node:1 zerroth:4 Brownbear:1 bumatlarge:1 Lunargotnodestiny:1 At this point, it's most likely that the rest of the town is going to bandwagon zerroth unless a new development arises. I ask of you zerroth to help us help you help us by trying to contribute or by simply responding. If you're unsure of what you should be saying, we can direct you to some guides in this section of the teamliquid forums and try and point you in a general direction of what you want to achieve in this game. Leave no man behind  .1) generic advice to town (our job is scumhunting, recommendations etc) 2) posting a vote count (easy way to contribute without contributing) 3) 3rd paragraph is just weird. The point of putting votes on lurkers is to force them to talk...why are you trying to coax some contribution out of zerroth by being buddy-buddy? Overall this feels like a forced post, aka, scum trying to figure out something town-like to post. | ||
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On February 12 2011 12:10 kitaman27 wrote: WHOA!!!!! THIS GUY NEEDS TO DIE. NOW! I can't believe no one else caught on to this. Everyone should change their vote to this guy in the next 6 hours or I'm going to become extremely suspicious. Analysis coming shortly. Unvote Vote aidnai Rofl dude... Well, I'm hoping that you just got excited because you misread, or perhaps it's just your role... you got ants in your pants or something? On February 12 2011 07:34 Coagulation wrote: CHECK ACE FOR TRYING TO REDIRECT DT CHECKS IMO. FEEL FREE TO CHECK ME AFTER. Also, coag, I want to point out to you why Ace's directions to DT's were good. A pressure vote on zerroth that was started rather trivially was rapidly turning into a legit bandwagon. Now, is zerroth a scum? Who knows, he hasn't posted yet. Only the mafia know if he's one of them or not. Now the point is, if zerroth is town (or just non-mafia), then he represents a 'safe' lynch target for scum to vote on. He won't fight back, there won't be repercussions when he's lynched because he was not pro-town etc. So, as a townie, should you defend zerroth and try to stop the lynch? If you do, you might end up defending a mafia, a third party, or a lurker that gets modkilled, and you'll look suspicious yourself later. So do you just let zerroth die? that lets mafia pick off a random townie, leave no associations to follow up on, and no day 1 discussion about the lynch. So the correct answer in this situation is, check the sheep who voted zerroth to get an easy 'safe' lynch. Now the supposedly safe lynch for scum puts them at risk of being DT'ed. If DT's RNG their target, they have a 3/29 chance of hitting mafia. If there is even 1 scum on a list of 5 people voting for zerroth, the odds of finding scum are almost double. And if there's 2 scum, now that list is looking pretty unsafe for scum, don't you think? | ||
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On February 12 2011 12:36 kitaman27 wrote: Jumps on the day one Coag bandwagon. Yet doesn't place his vote on him until the lynch gains more steam. His reason for the lynch is because he doesn't like his name? What kind of excuse is that? What does this post even mean? "Hey guys, I was thinking of doing something, but I just want to let you all know that I'm not" Thanks for the info! Again, pushes the Coag bandwagon based on the fact that he is a tough player to read. While we are at it, why not lynch Ace too? In other words: Leave coag alone! He has done nothing wrong this game. Why are people pushing for his lynch? Meaning: I won't change my vote.......until its safe enough to do so. Calls out SouthRawrea for giving generic advice to the town and then does so himself. Comes off hypocritical. Lets lynch this scum. If you are unsure about the day one vote, then here is our best option. Most people on the Eastern Coast will be going to bed soon so its important we all agree on a target before night. Otherwise, 3 votes might be enough to get someone lynched. VOTE FOR THE SCUM VOTE aidnai This is rich Kita, really rich... Let's summarize your case, if that's possible. 1) Jumps on the lynch Coag day 1 bandwagon with an obvious joke post that is followed by me later saying 'Coag is hard to read, don't waste your time defending him' and 'Coag is within his normal meta'. 2) gives generic town advice actually saying DT's should check the zerroth vote list is pretty specific, but unfortunately I can't take credit for the idea :/ 3) FoSing and pressuring people is a bad thing? I should be vote hopping instead? lol... You know what, this really feels like an Annul vs LSB situation from, uh, what mafia was hmm.. it's slipped my mind. You remember, when Annul was godfather and tunneled LSB to his day one lynch with the expectation of not being held accountable later. | ||
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On February 12 2011 13:43 kitaman27 wrote: Look at his defense. Rather than address the situation, he refers us to a completely unrelated game by putting himself in the place of the innocent victim, while I'm the scum aggressor. Don't fall for this nonsense. Do you honestly believe that if zerroth was scum, that he wouldn't even respond before being lynched? The problem with lynching an inactive is that the mafia can manipulate which inactive to lynch. Do you really think zerroth is more likely scum than aidnai? How many times are you going selectively crop my quotes so that you can misconstrue what I said? In the whole quote, I did address your 'analysis', ridiculous as it was. You did it in your original analysis as well, looks like you're grasping at straws. Not to mention your bizarre behaviour in the thread earlier, lashing out randomly, I really believe you must be acting out a very strange role, a role that is forcing you to target me for some reason. On February 12 2011 12:36 kitaman27 wrote: Jumps on the day one Coag bandwagon. Yet doesn't place his vote on him until the lynch gains more steam. His reason for the lynch is because he doesn't like his name? What kind of excuse is that? See, both of these quotes are actually the same post, yet you pick one part to show me hopping on Coag's bandwagon and another part to show me "pushing" a lynch on elitecubwarman8. That's so far fetched...it's impossible for you to be this bad without any ulterior motives... So tell us Kitaman, are you scum, or is it a pro-town role that is making you behave this way? | ||
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On February 12 2011 12:41 thefluffyone93 wrote: OK. Unvote; Vote: aidnai On February 12 2011 13:37 Misder wrote: Well, there really hasn't been much pressure in terms of voting. The inactives are still winning the vote count by a decent amount. I like pressure though. And as such, Unvote Ace Vote Aidnai Yay for bandwagoning? How is PM land going for everyone btw? I'm lonely.  Now that Kitaman has proven his insanity, you two mind taking your votes off me? | ||
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On February 13 2011 06:41 SiNiquity wrote: Ironically, my character profile states I don't have much time for mafia anymore LOL so true. But anyway, I just caught up with the thread and there's a shit ton of Kita bashing for no apparent reason. You guys are dumb if you think he's mafia. Are you joking, or did you miss kita's posts somehow? Only reason there hasn't been more kita bashing is that everyone knows he's not really as crazy as he's been acting, there must be something else going on. Thinking he's mafia isn't dumb either, Annul pulled a similar move to get LSB lynched day 1 in a recent game. If you can think of a reason for a normally intelligent townie to hardcore tunnel another townie without any evidence or proof, please share because I've been racking my brain and come up with nothing. BTW, I understand there's some arguments for not being active at night or whatever, but come day I hope there's a bit more discussion -_- | ||
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I'm going to full on role claim here, minus the red text of course. You are Kagemusha You’ve been around a long time. You’re a veteran, there is no doubt. But you’re also a bad kill choice. You see, back in the early days, there was a curse. “The curse of Kagemusha”. Whenever you were killed at night, the mafia immediately fell apart. Some say the curse still exists, others laugh... You are Town Victory condition: You win when all anti-town forces have been eliminated. - Since my power was activated, I was being targeted as a kill, not a roleblock or anything else - Since Ace was targeting me for the kill and he was affected by the curse which affects mafia, Ace was in fact mafia My job here is done, if they kill me for realz they still can't shut me up lol I highly recommend that any advice, opinions etc given by Ace from here on out be ignored. Last thing to say, we'll hopefully know after tonight's KP if Ace was a GF or a grunt. I think probably a grunt was sent to kill, but Ace as GF is smart from mafia perspective so I dunno... | ||
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On February 14 2011 04:50 bumatlarge wrote: Did I call it or did I call it? Dont be stupid, you have perfectly good information to work with right now. Mafia made a depressingly bad mistake here, unless they planned this out really well. Let me list a few reasons why. 1) Ace and I can still talk and comment. If we both win with town (though I have some doubts about ace now), we can both assertively take positions about matters. We just can't lynch or use abilities, or talk about anything we haven't revealed. This is very important. 2) Someone targeted two very experienced TL players. This means someone who knows both Ace and I is calling the shots (eat it BB). We can narrow this down dramatically to one or more people. 3) As deconduo said, two nightkills, and we know from the OP that mafia have two kp. "Kagemusha" wasn't idly mentioned, I'm guessing, so we should discuss if this person should claim and state any information he may have received last night (I think he may have been protected or have been a vet as well). It appears Ace tried to kidnap(kill?) him. It may be likely that ace could be a grunt (GF can't die yet) or a third party/vig. He can't claim it I believe because of the "rules for dead" unless he has mentioned it before. 4) Kagemusha is still alive. We should look into this person on totalwar.org. It is possible Ace tried to kill the GF as well so it failed. This needs to be figured out ASAP. There is nothing to be done about Ace atm unless he is able to specify something, and he is dead anyway so herp derp. Here is a list of people I have played with and know. (This will be in order from memory and familiarity to myself rather then counting how many games they have played with us) I have been mafia with the top 5 iirc. deconduo BrownBear chaoser aidnai SouthRawrea Coagulation Node SiNiquity Misder GGQ kitaman27 Insanious Mr. Wiggles GMarshal darmousseh ilovejonn why Also, Ace and I were at the top of the list if we disregard deconduo. This could mean something considering it is a penalty game, but I wouldn't put too much thought into it. I think you made an incorrect assumption about the GF not being killable Bum. Check it out The mafia is comprised of 3 members, 2 grunts and a godfather. While 2 grunts are alive, the mafia have two kills. If one dies, the mafia drops to one kill. When the second grunt dies, the godfather gains the ability to kill twice per night. If the godfather dies, it is not game over, the remaining grunts (if any) may continue. Only when all three members die are the mafia eliminated. That means Ace could have been GF, and it means you can throw out the scenario where Ace was killed for targeting the GF. | ||
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BUT It also says I'm a veteran type which I assume means I have night life, so what seems more likely: my power activates after I actually die (2nd hit) or that it was just not perfectly worded? I kinda think it's more likely that my power activates when I'm hit the first time... Additionally, and I really think this is important, IF Ace was trying to kidnap me, why the hell would that show up in the day post? even more so considering it failed!? I'm certain there are plenty of roles and night actions going on, none of them showed up...except for kills. Now Ace is trying to use his psychological intimidation to shut me up or bully me around as well.. On February 14 2011 08:39 Ace wrote: kita says he has some kind of role that relates to aidnai. Since I could remove aidnai from the game it's in my best interest to find out what happens when he is gone. Next day I was planning to ask kitaman if anything about his role or actions changed (without revealing that I kidnapped aidnai). It was also an advantage to the town that aidnai was somewhat active. I'd rather keep him out of harms way. Secondly aidnai is pretty terrible. So since I'm not a Vigilante and can't kill him myself best bet is to remove him from the game and let the Town actually win, then bring him back later when we have a clue to whats going on so he can't fuck things up. From both angles; finding out more about this kitaman27-aidnai relationship, and removing a player that isn't really that good I'd be on a decent path for later scum hunting. But all of this begs the question for kitaman27 - now that you know aidnai's alias is Kagemusha did that name appear in your PM? Totalwar forum regulars does Kagemusha have any specific history with other players from that forum? On February 14 2011 08:45 Ace wrote: or maybe he's just that bad. Either way I'm done helping out in this game. I don't feel like trying to bring the town to victory if only 5 people are playing. Peace out. In Insane mafia, Ace used an 'inconsistency' in a role claim alongside psychological intimidation like this to not only beat a sure lynch, but get the blue lynched as well... if you're interested, check it out here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161289¤tpage=172#3422 and keep reading the next 20 pages or so lol... Now, that said, I'm considering the possibility that Ace is innocent and I just made a complete ass of myself. Along those lines, I've PMed pevergreen about what kind of notification I can expect if/when my power activates. I guess I'll just post the same questions here in the thread: [greeen]can you confirm/deny to me that my power activated, that I was targeted for a kill last night, or that I absorbed a hit? [/green]If he answers via PM, i'll post that. | ||
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can you confirm/deny to me that my power activated, that I was targeted for a kill last night, or that I absorbed a hit? | ||
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