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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 21 2011 22:32 GMT
#1115
well, I just got back from class and I am going to work on some analysis, to be honest right now I'm leaning towards Beefy as the GF, but its possible I'm wrong.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 21 2011 23:23 GMT
#1117
A post by post analysis of Beefy187
(Posts in spoilers, my comments in Bold )

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Vote: Ace
Its my policy to vote for people who votes for me. I'll make them pay...

Now I don't know most of you, but I'm glad that fluffy is behaving well... His my responsibility and its nice to see him playing properly.

Well, as far as policies go I think the "vote for whomever votes for me" policy is stupid, but I won't say that its scummy, although it would serve as a good mask for bandwagoning with scum by saying "he voted for me". Its interesting to note that Ace died that night. This is also beefy's first post, and its on page 17


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Oh and sorry for coming here late. I'm looking forward to getting to know you all.

post immediately following the above one, nothing to comment on it, seems courteous enough


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That helps.
Unvote, Vote: gryffindor

I didn't think Ace is that guilty either. And I don't plan to get him lynched.

this is another "he voted for me" post, unless its in his red text I dont understand this policy at all. I dont think there is more to note here other than why would you vote for a player you don't think is guilty in the first place?


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@ pevergreen, Coagulation

Understood. Cheers for the clarification.

discussion of usual tl modkill rules, irrelevant


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To unvote, does one have to put unvote and vote in a seperate line?
I thought I changed my vote to gryffindor

Anyhow if anyone is to attack me tonight, they will regret it. I will use the full power of the force on you. Fear the greatest Dark Jedi in the world!

what? I dont get the jedi reference, but it apparently indicates that he is Chaotix


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Excellent Jbright. Very good.
While I am good bud with fluffy, my role is not related to him. And even if I am related to him, I don't know who is playing his role.

Vote: griffindor for now.

Lets see... Kagemusha is a really good mafia player, and was the only player who won Generalhandkerchiefs classical mafia until Crazed Rabbit won it it 2007.

Its said that as soon as Kage is lynched, it goes bad for the mafia. This is called the Kagemushas curse. I cannot remember him having anything with TinCow. Except TinCow is said to be a good prosecutor and one of the best townies, while Kage is said to be one of the best mafia.

finally a post that is more than 2-3 lines, he votes for griffindor for no reason that I can perceive, his comment about the names may seem useful but it has not helped us that much (read, at all), I'm loathe to consider it a real contribution


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Hey GGQ if you've got no one to vote for, vote for me.

ok...why....?


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Unvote, Vote: aidnai

I try my best.

continuing with the idiotic policy of voting for whomever votes to you...I *really* hope that thats due to red text


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Well losing Project Psycho (Kommodus) was a big blow.
He probably had a investigation ability as Kommodus had a nickname "Holmes" on the Org.

We're already down to 19 so I'll share my thoughts so far.
iirc we are using the God Father system, or something very close to it.
Which means the host picks one God Father who chooses two grunts.

Three men killed so far has all been teamliquid players. As mafias are more likely to kill people who they are comfortable killing, I think the mafias are teamliquid players as well. If I were God Father, I would like to use two men I can definitely count on so I would'nt use any outsiders. So the mafia can't be me or fluffy.

If the mafias are in this to win, they would've hired vets. On the Org, controlling the discussion is a double edged sword, as the town may call for your head if you make the wrong call, but on this place you lot seem to go after those who doesn't contribute. I'll be looking at people who constantly posts and discusses, but does nothing controversial.

his second long post, but it seems to be mostly fluff, it seems to say the neither he nor fluffy can be scum, seeing as how we saw that fluffy was probably scum this makes me send a *large* FoS on him, especially considering how well he gets along with fluffy all game long, the GF probably randomly chose a TL player to help them pick targets (looking at darmousseh!) also "I'll be looking at people who constantly posts and discusses, but does nothing controversial." hmmm, that does describe his own style of posting too


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I agree with Believer. I'm willing to bet my money on either gryffindor or ilovejonn being mafia. Possibly both.

so after saying that the mafia are probably tl vets he goes after two people who aren't, thats kind of contradictory...


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Straight from the head that would be Reenk Roink.
Two of them combined has a nick name pever reenk.

this supports SiNiquity's claim quite a bit


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/snip
(an analysis of ilovejonn's posts by someone else)

He could be role playing some spammy player.
But even he is, it doesn't clear him one bit.

ok...but you said that the mafia team was probably TLer's, not just TLer's but *veteran* tl players, I dont think ilovejohn meets those criterion


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Defs not. His normally much more spammy.
I enjoy his spam posts, but in terms of contribution its the best thus far by fluffy.

As for me, I don't usually do OMGUS votes and I talk less

interesting, I don't know what to make of it


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Don't know how to multi quote here so I'll answer them seperately.
On the org GF iirc, the host picks the God Father first and gives the fellow a bit of time to choose his grunts. When he does that host sends a role to detectives and the game begins then.

As for the question whether everyone had their role before becoming mafia/ detectives. I wouldn't do that if I was the host, but I'm not sure. But seeing how I only have 1 pm, I think we all got a role after God Father and grunts were chosen.

In that case, it may be possible to identify the mafia by looking at peoples identity. I'll write more later. Shower first.

well, its true we have established that identity is linked to alignment, "But seeing how I only have 1 pm, I think we all got a role after God Father and grunts were chosen." is an interesting line, does that mean that you would have had to receive a second PM to change your alignment? Still this discussion does contribute something to town, but it still feels like a post that contributes without going for anything controversial


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@deconduo

Forgot to mention how the mafia have to do the write up them selves on Org style GF. How do you know this?

Also, in our normal GF we have God Father (lynch to win) 2 grunts, 1 detective and 1 surprise (in this case it seems to be day killer)

Not sure if their ability is linked to who players are role playing but if they are role playing detectives would've been Askthepizzaguy or Kommodus whom are both dead.

Spammy players are fluffy, A Completely Inoffensive Name (ACIN) and Warman. 3 players I can think of on top of my head.

Some org regulars whom are still alive are.
Beefy (Japanese, friend of pevergreen, lynched when innocent and survives when mafia)
Chaotix (As fluffy said I'm playing him. Vengeful)
fluffy (spammy)
Beskar (Witty British guy)
TinCow (Mafia hunter. Prosecutor)
GeneralHandkerchief ( God of Org mafia. Creator of all)
Sasaki Kojiro (Always suspicious. He votes for Csargo)
Romanic (analyzer)
atheotes (always mafia. Always)
Secura (Beskars friend)

Theres a few more I cannot think of right now, or players who are not regular anymore (like Kommodus)

Vote: gryffindor
Seems to be the best out of small option I have.

this is a sort of useful post, however once again it avoids the topic of who to lynch entirely, some of the data he provided did pan out, but it would have been foolish to lie about information that can be publicly verified


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Okay, I can vote for GGQ.
Unvote, Vote: GGQ

meh, bandwagon, everyone jumped on so nothing to look at


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Spread out the votes. We need to pressure other peoples.

curiously this post was edited, while I agree with the sentiment it was faaar too late and feels like just a token gesture


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On February 16 2011 17:38 aidnai wrote:
^^Pre edit it said something more like
"GGQ has too many votes, can some of you vote for me so that I have more people to vote for"

Don't edit your posts here, it's illegal in mafia games.


I posted something unsuitable. Hence why I edited it out.
My apologies.

editing posts triggers every single flag in my head, I want to understand what was so important to change? I dont understand the "so that I have more people to vote for" part...


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Renata is a very nice lady. And I think its a female name

I see theres a lot of new developments.
atheotes being mafia all the time is true. But for us Org players, that will make it too easy if atheotes is really mafia.

trying to protect his scumbuddy from a definite flip, this feels like a tell to me


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Yea, thank Romanic for that. He must've invested alot of time doing that.

Mind you that is not percentage. I'm in the top five of the numbers of games I took part in, but I'm not mafia that frequently.

ok...irrelevant dosn't really contribute anything


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Vote: Gryffindor
Regardless of his alignment, he must die.

I wouldn't cross off the Org players just from the kill pattern. Mafia can have a Quick topic where all the team members can discuss stuff. But I believe me and Fluffy is innocent because who ever was chosen GF wouldn't choose a outsider

Same goes for the style of writing.

ok once again defending himself and a confirmed scum, interesting, also when we are close to losing "regardless of his alignment" is really, really fishy


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I think gryffindor is one of the scums. He gets my vote next phase.

well after saying he must die regardless of alignment you'll forgive my skepticism, yes?


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Believer and Jbright was killed by the same guy?
It doesn't say who killed Jbright.

deconduo seems to be killed by the 3rd party.

So we have either 3 mafia and a SK or GF and SK left.

Anyhow,
Vote: gryffindor

yay for posting the obvious and then going after his target again, does he know something about gryffindor we don't?


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@ Chaoser
If you think i'm the GF why don't you vote for me?
Afraid of revenge of Chaotix are you
Why are you so afraid?

here let me say what chaoser accidentally let slip, something in his PM didn't let him vote for you, how interesting that the guy with the FoS on you *happens* to die overnight, I'm disappointed that I didn't notice this earlier.


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Your Crazed Rabbit yes?

Repeat after me. Capitalize every word and don't change anything.

I Insanious (Crazed Rabbit) is not Mafia or Serial Killer. I am on the towns side.

If you have a red text it may be the "truth"

nice try, but this still isn't a contribution, although I applaud the originality of the idea


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Insanious is innocent. If his not, he must live with the shame of being a terrible and cruel traitorous liar.

Chaoser is a better choice.

this could be me, but I would much rather ensure the SK dies than go after someone who, oh, look, turned out to be town, I bet that Insanious would have died that night, or would have been out prime lynch target today



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in typical mafia SK is just Serial Killer on org. They can only kill and they are on their own.

ok


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Chaoser and gryffindor.

ok


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If its me and gryffindor, why have I been voting for him for the last few phases?

I dont think anyone said that, and your obsession with gryffindor hints at red text or hidden information, which if you were town you should be able to reveal


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Vote: gryffindor

gryffindor has lived for too long. I believe he is the last surviving baddy and he must be lynched.

see above spoiler


Conclusion: I am almost sure Beefy is scum, I still have to analyze the other players left though
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 21 2011 23:46 GMT
#1119
Ok, here's my take on it SiNiquity, 1st, I am extremely surprised that I am alive, I expected to die shortly after claiming, I have no idea why I survived this long. As I see it we *did* get the serial killer, however the GF wasn't sure that we did and if perchance he and the SK missed each other at night then it would be a draw, wanting to win the GF limited himself to one kill.

Its also possible that there was a medic/vet save, however no one has claimed it, so unless beefy does we won't be able to decide either way. I think chaoser died because of his suspicion of beefy, but I could be wrong. Either way, I know I am town, and I think SiNiquity's claim holds water, so its between gryffindor and Beefy, of the two I think Beefy feels scummier, but I have not yet gone over gryffindor's posts
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 00:09 GMT
#1122
On February 22 2011 09:05 SiNiquity wrote:
  • why dies due to convulsing (what we've been associating with SK kills)
  • why's cipher reveals his killer (presumed SK) as either deconduo or Insanious
  • deconduo died due to convulsing (what we've been associating with SK kills)
  • Insanious lynched
  • Chaoser dies due to convulsing (what we've been associating with SK kills)

So GF is certainly free to write w/e, and I guess SK isn't (seems silly to leave a trail of clues pointing at your kills). So GF copies SK to kill Chaoser to trick us into thinking SK's the one that's alive. That's the only possibility that fits with why's cipher / death.

Hmm.

Either way I don't think it matter if he is a GF or a SK (although I still think its a GF), we still have to lynch him today. Anyone care to do an analysis of gryffindor or SiNiquity? I have work I should be doing
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 00:10 GMT
#1123
EBWOP: Not that i won't keep refreshing the mafia forums every five minutes mind you... work isn't THAT important
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 02:34 GMT
#1138
On February 22 2011 11:29 SiNiquity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2011 08:18 beefy187 wrote:
Okay, I can vote for GGQ.
Unvote, Vote: GGQ


Except this one here. I can't seem to find where GGQ voted for him.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186653&currentpage=34#666

He didn't, but its possible that he can't vote for players who haven't voted for him and have less than x # of votes, I would like gryffindor to claim as he is the only person we lack a claim for.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 02:48 GMT
#1142
I'm here!
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 02:50 GMT
#1144
I'm actually going to go to bed soon and get up at 5:30 EST to see if the situation has changed, if not then my vote is going to be on beefy
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 03:04 GMT
#1147
sure, after all there is the odd chance I might oversleep

##Vote: Beefy187

I'll be up in a few hours exclusively for this game, so please make it worth my while to get up
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 10:16 GMT
#1159
gryffindor i dont understand your logic at all, are you really willing to risk that the remaining killer may be the GF with two kills? if this is true and we get a no lynch then its gg.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 10:34 GMT
#1162
On February 22 2011 19:33 chaoser wrote:
He's basically saying, Beefy is mafia, but i'm voting sin anyway, giving mafia chance to tie. This could go to no lynch (which it will if beefy is actually mafia) and even though I think beefy is scum, i'm not going to vote him, Sin, please do.

could be red text related I guess....
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 10:41 GMT
#1167
lovely, your thoughts on the topic chaoser?
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 10:46 GMT
#1170
yeah I agree that post was ridiculously stupid if gryff is the GF. I also find the reference to the SK in chaotix's role post to be interesting, usually the "fluff" has something to do with the role
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 10:59 GMT
#1172
On February 22 2011 19:57 chaoser wrote:
at the same time though, if he thinks beefy is not town, why would he allow for a tie? him not claiming even though we ask him multiple times to name claim is realllyyy sketch.

at this point im sticking with my choice, last minute panicking is what cost us the game in minimafia VII so im going to hold to my choice for now
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 11:01 GMT
#1175
so, its over... I wonder wtf happened...
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 11:04 GMT
#1176
so, should I stay up waiting for the day post or head back to bed?
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 11:22 GMT
#1180
I will continue to sit here hitting f5 until I discover what happened...
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 11:35 GMT
#1189
...
I dont know what to say...
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 22 2011 11:38 GMT
#1192
ok, Im tired, off to bed, see you all again in a couple of hours
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 15:02:48
February 22 2011 15:01 GMT
#1227
On February 22 2011 23:09 deconduo wrote:


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Original Message From pevergreen:
You are GeneralHankerchief

You are the father of mafia. You brought it here, hosted the early games and the longest running series of games.

You are Mafia (Godfather)
Victory condition: Outnumber surviving town players

To assist you in your task, you and your partners. Sasaki Kojiro (thefluffyone93) and Seamus Fermanagh (Mr. Wiggles) can communicate in this quicktopic thread: http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/sq2cnYza647
I will be watching it and it will be the fastest way to talk to me.

Each night phase, both of your grunts may kill a player. You sit back and let them do the dirty work. If one dies, the other can still only kill once per night. If both die, you gain the ability to kill twice per night.

You are not immune to investigations.
You must attempt to be the leading voice of the town, directing its lynches and being the front man for everything


Well played, however when we solved why's riddle I decided you had to die, although to be honest I thought you were the SK not a mafia member

Also my role PM lied? Sorry for making you out to be mafia then darmousseh, I was convince my PM wouldn't lie

also my PM

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ou are Beskar

You post a fair bit, analyse well and are generally well liked. From Britain, you tend to dislike ‘Engrish’ and bastardisations of your language. You have an intense rivalry with ‘atheotes’ who often gets randomly selected as mafia. In fact, its almost a rule that ‘atheotes is always mafia’

You are [I]Town[I]
Major victory condition: Due to a long standing rivalry with atheotes, you must outlive the player with the role of ‘atheotes’
Minor Victory condition: You win when all anti-town forces have been eliminated.

You are able, once each night phase, to investigate a single person. You will receive their character name as a result.
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