TL Mafia XXXVI

On January 23 2011 11:34 LSB wrote:

It points to people outside of 31 players that play in the game

For example, who is ???

On January 23 2011 11:39 Kavdragon wrote:


Lynching inactives is a tactic to start a discussion. I don't think that we will need to do this, because we will have clues to look at, and a mayor to elect. That should be starter enough to get the information we need to lynch scum.

On January 24 2011 13:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Me Kavdragon, and DrH iirc.

On January 24 2011 13:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Once. I was only scum mayor once and it was my first game of my mafia about a year ago.

On January 25 2011 13:01 Kavdragon wrote:
A word on policy: Should the Mason contact the mayor night one? This would ensure that masons survive the night, though it's unlikely that the mason, and his convertee are both killed. Other than that, the mayor would then be able to entrust any other information with the original mason. (For instance, my role, any information on blues I have, and vise versa.)

Note that while the Mason would be a confirmed townie, the mayor would not be confirmed. Thus the flow of information should only go to the mason, who should not pass it to anyone else unless extreme conditions warrant it. Perhaps with time, the mayor will build enough trust that he can be entrusted with information that the mason has, but I'm not going to assume that.

This seems the best plan to me, but I'm looking at it from the mayor's position. Anyone have any problems with this?

On January 25 2011 13:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Kav, my entire platform is not to put all your eggs in one potentially scum basket. By revolving everything around the mayor you are dooming the town. Stop with the stupidity.

I am leaning towards Amber[LighT] for my Day 1 lynch.

On January 26 2011 09:24 bumatlarge wrote:
Ok then, Stupid idea. Crossing my fingers on Kav. Mostly my fault for not being here for a bit.

On January 26 2011 14:33 LunarDestiny wrote:
But if Kav tells town about how many SK are there, it will help mafia as well.

If Kav only checks mafia every night, then it will only benefit town and SK. But I doubt SK threatens town more than mafia threatens town.

On January 27 2011 14:16 BrownBear wrote:
If anyone took a hit, now would be your time to claim.

Also, right now I think the most obvious clue was pointed out already by LD:




That's a pretty damning point directly to Nemesis. I do agree that we shouldn't lynch based purely off of clues though. Right now, who I'm thinking of voting for is either Nem or bum. I have voted for Nemesis for the time being, but that is definitely open to change depending on the situation.

And there in the clearing, in the moonlight, Meapak_Ziph runs at full speed, jumping over roots, snapping aside branches. And close behind him a black shape, only a blur in the darkness, gaining, about to grab, only a hand-length away...

I followed TheAldo. And as I ran my knife across his throat, no one was there to help him.

On January 27 2011 15:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Oh and how many mafia did you census Kavdragon? Its important!

Aw, he will always be town in my heart. Doesn't mean he is though, red like to cut the strings to other people fairly quickly if they see an outcome ahead of time. If I got lynched, and then the next day we find mafia umbers are the same, nemesis can say itoldyaso.

On January 29 2011 07:36 BrownBear wrote:


Because I'm giving Coag a chance, I have already posted my reasoning behind not voting RoL, and I haven't really taken a look at Mr. Zergling yet. Honestly, I'm wondering why I haven't seen anything about him, yet there's votes on him. Secret bandwagon?

I'll try to throw up some analysis on Mr. Z, but I am heading to a rehearsal now, so I can't guarantee I'll get a full analysis done before the end of the day. I'll do my best, though.

On January 29 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote:


Not really, there's actually a decent case against you, as I said its mostly a place holder though, Im just puting it off of coag because I feel like there was a random bandwagon forming against him.

On January 29 2011 07:54 BrownBear wrote:
He did respond to it, I think:

On January 30 2011 11:45 Kenpachi wrote:

oh man Master Butcher lol its now obvious that is pointing to Beneather.. Is he Mafia, Vig, or SK is the question.

On January 30 2011 12:13 darmousseh wrote:


Is it possible that RoL was an SK? Or are we sure he was green?

On January 27 2011 11:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
EBWOP: Hit (and lived), so vets, SK(s)

Also, just thought of this, what happens if there were two SKs, and they somehow both made it to the end? Would it be a tie cause they can't NK eachother? Or would it be who votes for lynch first? :p

On January 20 2011 00:08 Jackal58 wrote:

Lurkers killed town in XXXV. I intend to leave no lurker alone.

On January 27 2011 11:05 Jackal58 wrote:
I'm already hung.




Working on clues.
I thought more than 2 would die.

On January 27 2011 10:09 Jackal58 wrote:

I'm quite fluent in drunk speak. Bum is not drunk. Whether he is a female alien is irrelevant to the problem at hand.
You were one of the ones to attempt to mount a mayoral campaign. You're worthy of close observation.

On January 27 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote:

Thing is Kav started his campaign well before roles were passed out. If he is scum it's pure RNG. I'd be more concerned with the few that started to campaign after Day 1 post. Are you your brothers keeper?


Babies come from aisle 7 at WalMart. At least that's where my wife tells me ours came from.

On January 28 2011 02:41 Jackal58 wrote:


Fits don't it?

On January 31 2011 04:58 Jackal58 wrote:

The difference is I tunneled Pandain. I thought I was spot on but I was wrong. He wasn't scum he made a dumb play. I learned from that. I will push a case when one presents itself but I'm not going to be so damned sure of myself again. And yes I am going to defend myself aggressively. And I'm not going to do so by making unprovable claims. I'm not going to do it by calling people with more posts than I do inactive.

If you look at the first people that jumped on the Jackal bandwagon and the list of yesterdays lynch targets and consider for a moment that mafia may very well have stepped on their dicks last night it starts to become to apparent who some of them probably are.
Nemesis
beneather
Insaneous
Brownbear.
All appear to be taking advantage of Coagulation's insanity.
Nemesis and beneather should be at the top of everybodies list.

On January 31 2011 07:44 Jackal58 wrote:

Here is my clue analysis. you must have missed it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7774030

I'm not chainsawing anything scummeister.
I'm connecting the dots.

On January 31 2011 08:38 Jackal58 wrote:

That was last night while you were still screwing up your night post.
Good try though.

On January 31 2011 11:19 bumatlarge wrote:
Nemesis: I still think he's an SK. But it's just usually lurker posting and these clues that make me think so. Now hes a lot more active with his name in the light, which isnt a good comparison for his sake. If we want to drop the KP to a greater extent, he's the way to go. If we are looking for mafia, he's too self-oriented to really plop a scum sticker on.

Beneather and Jackal: Together! Really depends on how hard you base on clues and analysis. Without those, Jackal is really fudged since Beneather is already a BG, and finding out he isn't mafia will make us take a step back and have our census vulnerability take 3 steps forward. Jackal is the obvious choice.

If we take that aspect away, they look really similar. Im just going with jackal, because we need to kill scum now, and we need to have this mayor dude keep dishing out the censi. Nemesis better deliver though and not just think he can attack people already under the scope to save himself.

On January 31 2011 11:46 Jackal58 wrote:

Clues fit Nemesis. Nobody defended him on day 1. Ergo SK

I'm Veteran.
But you won't know that til I'm dead. What you will know is I'm town when the next census comes back 5. The only thing blue on Coag is his balls.

On January 31 2011 12:26 Kavdragon wrote:
There is a bandwagon on Jackal. Almost no one else has votes on them. Doesn't this raise flags for anyone?

On January 31 2011 13:14 Coagulation wrote:



your like being 1000x times more aggressive than a townie who was like 1 vote away from getting lynched yesterday.

On January 31 2011 13:19 kitaman27 wrote:


Why wasn't jackal a suspect last day phase? Steel was a clue in the day 2 post, its not like its new.

On January 31 2011 13:33 kitaman27 wrote:


Well I guess what I'm asking is what triggered you to pay attention to him today, when he was not a suspect the day before. What was the behavioral difference between day two and day three?

On January 31 2011 13:55 Kavdragon wrote:
Personally, despite the fact that Jackal has acted a bit scummy, and despite that I think that the clues are a little stronger, Nemesis looks like a better lynch to me.

I defended him yesterday because of his posting history, but what transpired when the votes started coming down was MUCH more suspicious than what happened with Jackal. I don't think that either are ideal lynch candidates, but it's not an ideal world.

On January 31 2011 13:10 Coagulation wrote:
I think we should go back to putting pressure on nemesis.
When nemesis was on the block. I remember alot of people scrambling to incriminate other people.

On January 31 2011 12:17 Divinek wrote:


It seems to me someone who actually had the role of veteran would take the few seconds back to understand the purpose of their role(in reality they'd probably think about it alot since y'know it's their role). So that seems to leave you as being the person who is not actually a veteran

On January 31 2011 11:53 Nemesis wrote:
If you are a veteran, then you are the worst veteran ever. Vet's job is to take hits, and with your spammy posting which does not contribute anything, there was no way in hell you are going to take hits.

Nice blue claim to try and save your ass.

On February 01 2011 02:53 deconduo wrote:
Pretty confident he's scum, clues fit well and he had motive to kill d3. Its possible that d3 fingered a large portion of the mafia team, which would be the reason they killed him off. Theres not a whole lot of other reasons for it.

Looking back at d3's list of suspects:
Nemesis
Darmousseh
Beneather
kitaman27
Eti307
LunarDestiny
GMarshal

Of these I think Nemesis and Beneather are certain mafia. Lunar is high up on the list as well, he completely ingored beneather as a possibility for the dog meat clue and tunnelled me instead. Probably trying to divert attention from beneather.

Its hard to ignore the connections to the mayor as well, the 2 picked bodyguards and one of the biggest campaigners for him.

My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum.

On February 01 2011 03:13 deconduo wrote:


-In what way is that WIFOM? Its a pretty good idea to kill off someone who suspects your entire team. Obviously theres no proof of that being the reason he was killed, but its a good theory imo. On the other hand, your argument is WIFOM.

-Nice chainsaw defense of beneather, I like how you completely ignored all the clues against him.

On February 01 2011 02:53 deconduo wrote:
Pretty confident he's scum, clues fit well and he had motive to kill d3. Its possible that d3 fingered a large portion of the mafia team, which would be the reason they killed him off. Theres not a whole lot of other reasons for it.

Looking back at d3's list of suspects:
Nemesis
Darmousseh
Beneather
kitaman27
Eti307
LunarDestiny
GMarshal

Of these I think Nemesis and Beneather are certain mafia. Lunar is high up on the list as well, he completely ingored beneather as a possibility for the dog meat clue and tunnelled me instead. Probably trying to divert attention from beneather.

Its hard to ignore the connections to the mayor as well, the 2 picked bodyguards and one of the biggest campaigners for him.

My thoughts are to lynch Nemesis today and for vig (if we have one) to target kav tonight. If he dies it confirms Beneather and GMarshal as scum.

On January 31 2011 21:59 Nemesis wrote:
Did everyone else miss this?

Yes, jackal just claimed vet.



Let me just sum up the case against me so far:
Day 2:
- clues
- bum's analysis on me which somehow proves I'm SK. Although I would agree that bum's analysis was pretty good, I don't see how that leads to the conclusion that I am SK.
- "I think all the other lynch candidates are town, so I'm going to leave my vote on Nemesis even though I'm not sure he's scum"
Day 3:
- all of the above
- he somehow survived the last day's lynch so he must be scum

Do you really think those are strong arguments to lynch someone? :/


You know what I'll make it easy for you guys even though you don't even have a coherent case against me. If you believe jackal's vet claim, then vote for whoever you like, but if you don't believe his claim, then lynch jackal.