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On January 21 2011 12:14 Kavdragon wrote: Watch and learn, watch and learn. As a player who's been around for approximately no time, and has never run for mayor, much less play in a game with one, I think I'm a qualified expert. The easiest way to run for mayor, (and trust me, you want to run), is to post the following: "##Vote: Kav for mayor" You're practically guarantied the position! Again, type that in, it's an insta win! Having read the insane mafia thread, this holds completely true, accompany it with claims that you are some kind of useful blue role (not that you have to actually have a blue role, just claim it, its not like anyone will notice if you fail to prove it) and wham, you are practically guaranteed to be mayor. Oh, it also helps if you claim that you will work for "town unity" | ||
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Also people should start their mayoral campaign's, if I thought I stood any chance I would try for it, but I honestly lack the experience necessary to even consider it. Someone proposed before the game started that the Mayor have to pick his bodyguards from the opposing candidates to discourage scum running for the position, what do you people think of that? gl hf town, lets win this time | ||
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On January 23 2011 12:17 zerroth wrote: the clues point to someone on teamliquid so why should we put effort in trying to find who it relates to if they arent in this game 1.) Solving Clues is fun! 2.) It gives us a feel for how clues work in this game 3.) its good practice 4.) Did I mention that solving clues is fun? :D If you dont want to try though feel free to discuss whatever you think is relevant/important, I'm personally waiting till people start running for mayor. although if you wish we can go with tradition and discuss lynching lurkers | ||
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So I ask now, are either of you candidates certifiably blue? (if you are just green or not verifiable, or would rather just not run the risk of identifying yourself (e.g. Vet isn't verifiable as we can only know when he gets hit) then don't say anything) A verifiable blue is a Recruiting Mason (can add a bodyguard to his circle and then confirm {this is the most easily spoofable by mafia though, all they have to do is risk one more mafia to assure us that their mayor is the mason}, since bodyguards basically have to be protected anyway ) a Vigilante (he can call his hit right before the night ends, if its true then it was proven) and Detective (he can role check someone the first night and have us hang him to confirm the next day) I'm not sure if having the mayor verify is the best course of action but the one thing we cannot afford is to give the mafia control of what information we receive Finally if we decide to go for the volunteer bodyguards then I volunteer to soak up a hit for our buddy the mayor. | ||
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On January 26 2011 12:41 Mr.Zergling wrote: Well, that was certainly a kick off... Really weird not having flipping, I forgot there wasn't and came on just to see if we got a red xD same thing happened to me, I was ready to celebrate the intelligence of our clue readers and then I realized that we had no idea whether we had hit a red or not. All things considered it should make this game reasonably more exciting | ||
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bumatlarge: "i live in the subway" = place no one would venture at night? Kavdragon has the image of a winged foot= fleeing (like Meapak?) ? Divinek: the puck is black (but we've seen alot about black already so most likely a decoy) Impervious: "hard as stone" = impervious to damage (it’s a stretch I know) As an aside @Kitaman: The entirety of King Henry VIII, really? BrownBear's :"I really really like cookies. And kitty cats." That by itself is cause for suspicion, looks like its trying to hard to fit in RoL: "in a wood", "And then run?"= (Meapak_Ziph runs away from his killer) | ||
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On January 27 2011 12:07 LunarDestiny wrote: And then another persons enters the clearing. He is careful, disturbing nothing, as quiet as the trees surrounding him. A coward, he hid in the shadows witnessing it all, doing nothing. He gazes down at the body of Meapak, the drying blood staining his feet. He shudders, and continues on. This quote hints there was stack hits on Meapak. I dont see how you get that from the text, I think you are reading too much into it. The "coward" is TheAldo who was hiding from whom ever was killing Meapak. | ||
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As town though its our job to get information by any and all means, even if it means dying for it. I mean unless you serve some other function by staying alive then you should post much and often. If I weren't buried in school work then I would certainly post more. (Ok, now back to studying calculus) | ||
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"IF people are routinely inactive, or exceptionally spammy/stupid. Town is not wasting lynches if they lynch them, nor are vigilante’s wasting hits on them. These are players that hurt the town as much if not worse than mafia." Hence I think we should pressure and, if we don't get satisfactory results, lynch them. For now, I'm going to vote Coagulation , I may switch over to another equaly inactive player later, but for now Coagulation's pro inactive attitude seems highly suspicious to me. | ||
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On January 28 2011 13:04 Coagulation wrote: Kav looks like hes doing a good job so far he has covered all the bases i have seen. But dont worry i do got a list of you scummy fuckers its just not time to start shoving them down everyones fucking throat yet Fine, I'll retract my vote on you (as soon as I find a better target), but I expect to see that list sooner rather than later, and if you don't come through I'll make sure you hang. | ||
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On January 28 2011 13:31 kitaman27 wrote: From past clue games I'm pretty sure there have always been at least one or two name references that get mixed in. That doesn't necessarily mean they will be present in this game, but its a possibility. This is where my noobness comes to shine, I wasn't aware of that. Anyway back to relevant discussion, do you guys have any input on LunarDestinies list of activity, from all two games I've played and reading through another couple, I agree with the Pandain/deconduo assessment, but I feel that RoL isn't being as active as I would expect since the election ended. Also who are we considering to lynch today? Last I saw it was between RoL and Nemesis, does anyone have any insight to offer on that? I'm tending more towards RoL both based on clues and the fact that he seems to have vanished into thin air. | ||
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On January 29 2011 07:31 Nemesis wrote: Bzzz, as I have said before, if you are going to vote to lynch me, at least state your reasons. Brownbear, you seem to have analyzed all the other candidates except for me yet you are voting me? At least give your reason, and please don't say LD's clues are so good -.- GMarshal, is that a bandwagon vote? Not really, there's actually a decent case against you, as I said its mostly a place holder though, Im just puting it off of coag because I feel like there was a random bandwagon forming against him. | ||
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On January 31 2011 06:22 CubEdIn wrote: Or an SK that had his computer broken. *giggles* I'm going to point, out that that is a ridiculous claim as IIRC SK are bullet proof, If I were a SK why would I claim to have been protected. | ||
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My only issue with this is that if Beneather is mafia then its possible for mafia to stack hits on me and make sure I die, and then they get a free mayor kill, I'm actually up for anything that confirms me as a townie, but I dont know if its worth giving the mafia a chance to deprive us of the census. | ||
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On February 01 2011 11:37 Kavdragon wrote: Alright, on the subject of clues, I talked to LSB, and he's allowed me to post this: The highlights: Clues lead to people that have killed someone. Clues can appear anywhere in the day post (excluding blue text) SK always has a clue leading to him following his kill Thank you so much for clarifying this it makes clue interpretation more interesting to say the least. I also suggest we go back and check for non-text part of the posts if any (pictures and such, I dont remember if there were any or not) | ||
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(also what does the rest of the town think of this?) | ||
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On February 02 2011 13:06 Divinek wrote: are you guys for fucking serious? BIG FOS on both of you an SK would never openly admit it and try to bargain with town, where would that get him? sure he'd live a few more days but he could NEVER win. Only mafia could reasonably want to keep an SK alive after they have been identified I dont think you get it we aren't offering LunarDestiny a choice between serving town or some better deal, if lunar deviates at all from the towns instructions (which I think we should determine by majority vote) he hangs, I dont see where the disadvantage to giving town a second KP is. | ||
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On February 02 2011 13:13 Divinek wrote: allow me to ellaborate on my earlier point having TWO kp per cycle is not as beneficial to town, because we have less information. As you can tell thus far our kill selections have been off the mark. The longer the game goes on the more info we get (clues + analysis) so the fewer kills the better. THUS only mafia would want to keep an SK alive to limit the amount of info town can get from clues (as some clues go to sk) and just plain THE GAME ENDS SOONER Sure the game ends sooner,but now we dont have to ask vigis to hit inactives we can direct which inactives get hit by our SK and then focus the lynch on the scummiest target around, if we decide for some reason that we are going through people to fast we lynch lunar. I dont see what your issue with this plan is | ||
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On February 02 2011 13:18 LunarDestiny wrote: + Show Spoiler + What the hell is this shit? Looks like a DT claim to me, but I'm no expert Analyze the meaning of this dt claim and ask yourself would a town aligned player do this claim. To reduce the number of kps in the field and buy town more time? after all each non mafia death brings us one step closer to defeat If Bumatlarge is telling the truth: -The final push for this dt claim is detecting that I am SK. But why would a town want to expose the SK. Mafia wouldn't choose to hit this presumed SK and target other town. Of course not, if the DT points out the SK its so that town can hang him, nothing else -If Bumatlarge just want to lynch me, he could just have said that Lunar is SK or Mafia (don't know why he chose the former unless he is mafia and don't want lynching me to affect the presumed mafia count=5). Then the other two pieces of information is useless. What good would exposing the medic do? Nothing except for sparing him as lynch. As of now, claiming that Beneather is vanilla town is pointless since we are not lynching because of his bodyguard status. But his choice of checks makes sense, at least in my opinion, plus the Beneather check keeps us from hanging a bodyguard stupidly if this is true. Notice how he waited until the medic was dead (not that I noticed originally mind you) If you look at another view point that Bumatlarge is mafia and lying: He named me as SK to lynch me. Didn't just say I am mafia because it will bring the presumed mafia count down to 4 and be counter claimed by census. This is true but the census will also prove if you are SK or not After Deconduo's death, only 1 of the 2 dog profile left is Beneather. Since dog meat is very likely to be a clue. He is trying to protect Beneather. I could see this I guess, but after hanging you we will know weather or not he was lying, if he was then he just gave us two mafia for one townie The reason for Kitaman is medic is rolefishing. What he want Kitaman to do? Claim medic? Kitaman is dead as was so kindly pointed out by a bunch of people And also the clue pointing at me. Those clues are even less convincing than the clues we found. I'm tempted to ignore clues altogether (not really I'm just not good at finding them) but they seem to have been leading the town down a bad path, we haven't hung any mafia that we know of off clues, we might as well try the time tested DTs and behavioral analysis in conjunction with that for a day, no? I ask people to read his dt claim carefully and think of the motive for his claim (is it pro-town or anti-town). I just did, there you go Just my two cents. | ||
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I'm going to throw this out there, since this a clue based analysis game, its quite possible that there are no dts much like in the minimafia game, as of right now I am not convinced that Lunar is the SK but it seems to me like the mafia would be running a very real risk by making a DT claim, especially if Beneather is mafia. another way to check if the DT is telling the truth is to hang Beneather and take a census of the mafia if Beneather flips not mafia then the DT was being honest, else he too is mafia. However is Lunar worth more than a bodyguard? At this point we have some hard choices to make, and as always I suggest we take a good look at peoples behavior and the clues to figure stuff out | ||
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This is just something to keep in mind as we make choices. | ||
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On February 02 2011 14:33 Impervious wrote: Think about it - look at how people have been voting, look at how the clues have been leading us in the wrong direction..... Does it really make any sense that we haven't had a single fucking Mafia kill yet? There's something fishy about vig and SK hits not hitting a mafia at all (especially since any decent SK would be thinking that the mafia is winning, and therefore try to kill scum instead, and the clue last night really signals that a vig made a hit). The only way that could make any sense (without some extreme luck by the mafia) was if the mayor was lying to us. And if he was, it would be very, very easy to turn us against the wrong people..... I agree that a scummy mayor would screw us over big time and that its possible that Kav is scum, however it seems to me that if he is we have no way of reaching a conclusion either way, if he is mafia then we are essentially done as we have no way of verifying kills and mafia can just steer us however they wish. Since census is such a brutally essential part of our arsenal I need really good evidence against the Mayor before I even consider hanging him. | ||
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I'll propose one thing, although I don't think that its a great idea, we could hang Beneather (a BG) and find if he is red or green, if he is red then our DT is a phoney, otherwise we have a real DT we can use. At this point I don't know what the value of a BG is compared to a DT. However all else aside unless LD agrees to help town I agree we should hang him, just because its really likely he is the SK | ||
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We should still discuss what we are going to do about bum, and how to check his claim. | ||
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Seriously though I see your point, and while I dont fully agree with it, I'll follow it as its sound reasoning. I'll go vote now | ||
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(sorry I'm in a *really* dull lecture and I need posts here for me to read and comment on) | ||
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On February 03 2011 07:15 Coagulation wrote: This is clearly a post supporting the interests of mafia. Beneather needs to die. Could you go into a little more detail here? specifically can you rebuff his logic about KPs, and the fact that we kind of suck at hunting scum? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you about Beneather possibly being scum, but I'd like to hear your reasoning. | ||
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I like that you almost confirm that LD is a SK but at this point we were almost sure anyway, could you try to contribute something new? hopefully something that get us some scum (also there is a reference to moonlight in one of the day posts (day 1 or 2, not sure) which obviously ties in to LD.) | ||
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On February 04 2011 06:40 Kavdragon wrote: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOL. I think I know what just happened. Care to clarify then? I mean I can guess, but still. | ||
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On February 04 2011 07:17 Coagulation wrote: im personally gonna hold kav responsible if this doesnt work out. feels like kav is switching shit around to fullfill an exterior motive I never thought I would say this, but I actually agree with you on this Kav's insistence on lynching bum first feels odd. | ||
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On February 04 2011 09:54 Divinek wrote: oh rofl, well if that's convincing evidence then sure ill take 99% scum over 100% sk seems good enough to me It is pretty convincing evidence,I think someone is incriminating themselves.... | ||
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3 in one night, not bad! | ||
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On February 06 2011 16:30 Barundar wrote: I think we shouldn't rush it kav. Im as certain as i can be on kenpachi as well, but i would rather not try and rush for a fast win and lose at this point. That seems to me to be the mistake mafia did. There is always the chance of someone being innocent despite a great analysis, and we can afford more mislynches if lunar dies first. We might be guranteed to win if we hit mafia tonight, but if you think about it, the only way it's possible for us to lose is actually if lunar is alive and he helps mafia. I fully agree with this, while I'm not sure of kenpachi, as I see it LD has pretty much gone from being a benefit to being a bane to the town, as we really have nothing solid to target him on. Thanks for all the help LD, but if we want to win we can't have you killing off more people at night. (Of course if you want to provide some kind of insightful analysis, it would be much appreciated) | ||
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On February 07 2011 23:09 Jackal58 wrote: Ya you're right. Eti307 was mod killed. It's still gonna come back with two Mafia. It just isn't going to say CubEdIn and Divinek along with it. You are tunneling Jackal, remember what happened when you did that in MiniMafia IV? If you really think they are mafia provide an analysis of what makes you think that. You made a decent case for Divinek, and I'd like to see his reply to it, but opposing the use of the SK dosn't necessarily make him mafia. Also I'd like to hear your case against CubEdln. (Not that I necessarily disagree with your accusations) | ||
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gl town, I was hoping to survive till the endgame, but I guess not slaughter those scummies for me! | ||
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Also I'm kind of excited for this day post | ||
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Perhaps excited was the wrong word though, I just want to see what it contains. | ||
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/dance (granted my death was a low point, but still) | ||
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I thought this game was really, really fun I think I need a break from the no flip mechanic however, also thank you so much for providing a way for us to see the Mason/Maifa conversations, they make finding out what happened this game much easier. | ||
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I vote Kav for MVP this game | ||
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*pokes Foolishness* Please? | ||
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Maybe who has the ability could be RNGed every night? That would be interesting, especially if it happens to fall in the hands of the mafia a couple of nights in a row. Or maybe make it so you cannot check the same thing every night with it if it is too powerful? | ||
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