EPTTL Mafia XXXVI - Page 13
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Kavdragon
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I'm a Medic. I'm the one who protected GMarshal night 2, and the one who protected him last night. I thought that mayor couldn't be roleblocked, but that's no longer the case(?). The census ability cannot be RB'd, Medic'ing can. When I was told that the mafia RB'd me yesterday, there was a misunderstanding. I took it to mean "they attempted a Roleblock" while in actuality, it actually succeed. So I never thought to question my un-blockability. | ||
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LSB: Oh yeah I forgot to tell you but you were roleblocked last night KAV: Hahahaahah. LOL. Really? LSB: You claimed medic ofc Kav: Wait. Did I actually claim that? LSB: didn't you? KAV: I wasn't sure if I posted that message. LSB: uhh KAV: I typed it up like...three times. LSB: oops Kav: But ended up not saying it. LSB: W/e KAV: You told them did you? LSB: Yo I thought you posted it | ||
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Well, I'll try to contribute as much as I can today, and leave all my information with a townie. At least I can protect the townie for one more night. | ||
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On February 09 2011 04:50 Impervious wrote: So, unless we get a good lynch tonight, or there happens to be a 2nd medic in the game, we lose both the medic ability and the census..... Not good..... Why would getting a good lynch matter, out of curiosity? | ||
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On February 09 2011 05:37 CubEdIn wrote: Kav, may I ask how mafia would know that you were medic? You have been role-blocked twice in a row now, so they were most likely sure about that. Did you claim to anyone before you claimed to town? Note that it's not possible for DT to check you while you are mayor, so the information must've come from you. + Show Spoiler [Read the thread] + On February 09 2011 04:33 Kavdragon wrote: Like I said. Mafia know that I am medic, so there's no reason not to tell the town. I considered trapping the mafia because only they would know I'm Medic, but decided that would be BM. It's not their fault I was mod confirmed as Medic. I was all sorts of confused when Kav said we need to only kill one mafia (I was thinking he has DT check on one of the two), but if this is what he meant, then no, we need to kill both mafia. If there's another medic left, part from Kav, do not claim. Mafia still has role-block, obviously, so protecting each other won't work. The OP said that I couldn't be RB'd, so I could save GMarshal every night, and with mafia KP at 1, they could never kill either of us. This means that there would always be two townies, and the only way for them to win is to be the last two left with GMarshal and I. They would have to quick vote for one of us at that point. Thus if we kill one of them, we win. Since then, the rules have changed, meaning that this wouldn't work. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_r1rYeLfwy60/TRnRROjBj0I/AAAAAAAAAcQ/X_sUd1t_qkg/s1600/iv_bag.jpg) Also, D-IV-INE. How's that for a giant stretch? | ||
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Omg! Good clue! | ||
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Out of curiosity, why did you assume that there was a second medic? | ||
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I'm not convinced that impervious is town, based off my analysis, but no one has defended him, and that strikes me as odd. I think that everyone agrees that DivineK is scummy, (Including himself, oddly enough, but I'll save that for my analysis.) I'd much rather lynch him atm. | ||
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IF YOU THINK IT'S TOO LATE TO SWITCH THE VOTE, IGNORE THE REST OF THIS. This is what I'm thinking. We can afford a mis-lynch or two. The best place to hid as mafia is among those who do not give opinions, or suspicions. Those people are the hardest to analyze, so let's get rid of them to make sure the mafia aren't hiding among them. Zerroth and Divinek are the two main ones that come to mind. While it would be nice to lynch scum today, it will be safer in the long run if we protect ourselves against this hazard. I was planning on posting this later, so it's not totally done, but here's what i have on DivineK so far: + Show Spoiler + Divinek hasn't posted very much, so I there isn't a lot to pull from. I searched for contradictions within his posting and came up with a few, detailed below. + Show Spoiler [Post analysis] + + Show Spoiler [Bad Idea/first post] + On January 24 2011 07:48 Divinek wrote: Trading damn near anything is worth it for a scum player in this game imo. Lol, you cearly don't realize how important the census is for verifying lynch. A veteran player like yourself should have realized just how useful that ability would be ina game with no flip. + Show Spoiler [Self discribed Scum-slip] + On January 28 2011 17:42 Divinek wrote: if i post the list that devoids my entire point of the list right now. It's not like i make crazy spreadsheets or anything like some people, i justttt remember I think RoL is just another dude coasting along, hell he's probably even a blue but I dont really see him as too mafia like atm. On January 28 2011 15:50 Divinek wrote: ehh while I'm not feeling the whole jump on RoL thing either I feel you clear him too easily based on almost leading yourself into passivity. I'm not sure the implications of decisions like this, but we can't really be waiting for people to 'slip up' or make obvious contradictions, because experienced players like him are far less likely to do something so blatant to everyone else. Sure he could define his meta and play like it but that's.... so easy isnt it? I mean there's no hard evidence against him, but there's no hard evidence for him. ... On January 28 2011 17:11 Divinek wrote: I'm confused as to why you label him as a townie then you say we shouldn't wait to lynch him. Was that a scum slip? That was a scum slip. + Show Spoiler [SK Lynch Argument] + On February 02 2011 13:06 Divinek wrote: are you guys for fucking serious? BIG FOS on both of you an SK would never openly admit it and try to bargain with town, where would that get him? sure he'd live a few more days but he could NEVER win. Only mafia could reasonably want to keep an SK alive after they have been identified On February 02 2011 13:15 Divinek wrote: what, he's going to hang eventually anyways if he listens to you, because he confirms himself as the SK if he does. (or the other SK listens just to implicate him), or he could not listen to you and kill other people making it look like he's not the SK there's so much wifom i dont see how you can think he'd want to listen to us if he was SK. If he's been found out like this he's going to die eventually, his best bet is obviously to deny all claims and play it off like he's NOT the sk. On February 02 2011 18:51 Divinek wrote: I am very convinced that lunar is actually the SK and that he needs to die. It just makes sense from many past sk's that ive seen, so pro town you couldnt possibly think they're not. You're an experienced player. Your first game was actually the same game that Bumatlarge first played in. You said that a revealed SK would never bargain with town? It's happened in every single game I've played that had an SK. You knew better than that: LunarDestiny played with you in Insane Mafia, as a third party, and in a similar no-win position. What did he do? He went ape crazy and killed a bunch of mafia. You said that you are basing your position on past SKs but never mentioned Insane. Whoever is ahead wants to kill the SK. He is the balancer. Whether SK is revealed or not is totally irrelevant to their win condition. It makes it much harder, but not impossible. SK has helped town several times before after being revealed, and hey look. It happened again. I will state it again. Whoever is ahead wants to kill the SK. The mafia were in the lead at that point, so they would want the SK dead. After the lynch/SK/Modkill brought their numbers down to two, town was ahead, so we lynched the SK. It was after Mafia lost three people that Foolishness got on and posted this: On February 05 2011 06:06 Foolishness wrote: If I was mafia in this game, I would argue that you killing yourself violates your "play to win" condition, and that you should be banned for it. Soon after Divinek was kind enough to provide us with this post. [B]On February 05 2011 09:10 Divinek wrote: confirming that he is SK violates his win condition, and listening to people to confirm his role violates his win condition as well. It's pretty much a horrible situation for adhering to that rule This whole argument is bad, and bad in a way that benefits the mafia. It doesn't make much sense from the perspective of a townie, but it makes perfect sense from the perspective of Mafia However, contradictions or scummy SK plans aren't the only thing i found suspicious about Divinek. It's when and what his posts are about. + Show Spoiler [Behavioral Analysis] + First off, when I was browsing through Divinek's posts, I found an interesting similarity between Haunted Mafia and Mafia XXXVI: + Show Spoiler [Post comparison with known mafia/town…] + Divinek has been inactive. I don't think there's any arguing that point. In a thead of over 2000 posts, he has 38, roughly 1/50th of the posts. He posted very little at the beginning of the game, posted a bunch about the SK, and then got rather quite again, though, not as quite as before. I'd like to compare his posting from Haunted mafia (Vampire), Team Meley Mini mafia (townie) and this mafia (Mafia?). ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/z6XN0.png) (Note, he was subbed in, so his first real post was 744.) Notice the similarities? He more or less dissapears after a "Hi" post in the beginning, then lurks, popping up and posts a couple of posts, then dissapears again for a long time in both Haunted and this Mafia. In the Team Meley, he was much more active, and didn't disappear after his first couple of posts. This is similar to mafia play I've seen before where they say hi, then disappear for a while, while they get in touch with their scum buddies. | ||
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Kavdragon
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On February 10 2011 09:50 Impervious wrote: Kav, you're the last person I'd expect to actually suggest switching off of me lol. I'm not as tunnel visioned as I appear. I've just been focusing on you to pressure you. DivineK. You lurk lurk lurk, pop out, tell us not to lynch LD, then lurk lurk lurk until you get a real accusation. You obviously follow the thread, your reaction times are pretty good, so why haven't you been contributing anything? Also, I said that I wasn't finished with my analysis of you. Your analysis of Kenpachi was the next thing on the list. The biggest thing I have against is that you lurked a ton, then come out with a analysis that leads you to the conclusion that "There is nothing that leads be to believe that Kanpachi isn't mafia". What the crap is that? If you were convicted enough to make an analysis, and label him scum, why would you come to a conclusion that is incredibly weak? | ||
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On February 10 2011 10:04 Jackal58 wrote: I saw it. I suggested Kav read all the Protest the Hero lyrics earlier today. Lots of blood and death. It doesn't fit with the way LSB and Node are presenting clues though. Yeah, I read a lot of lyrics from those songs, and I did see similarity in themes, but not writing. I really doubt that that's a clue, but it was worth looking into. | ||
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On February 10 2011 10:57 Node wrote: Day about to end. DivineK to be lynched, Mr. Wiggles to be modkilled. Uh....You mean Zerroth? Wiggles voted. Zerroth didn't. | ||
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