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Here is what I think happened. Annul made his contract with Lunar which gave him all of his money, but IF lunar died that money gets dispersed throughout all the players in the game. Annul would of been fine with this because he can control if lunar gets protected and not protect him and get him killed whenever he wants. The issue was that after he attempted his first hit Lunar would be IMPOSSIBLE to kill because of my vest which would guarantee the town a permanent 1KP for the rest of the game. I don't think Annul wanted this to happen, hence why he is dead before he could get the hit through. I think Annul was forced to kill Lunar way before he actually wanted to. All I know about Annul's power is that he can "buy" protection for people through a mercenary group. I do NOT know what else he can buy. I imagine if he can buy protection through a merc he can probably also buy other things such as death. Here are my two contracts I made with LD and Annul. Both of which Annul was aware of. + Show Spoiler [Contract with LD] + LunarDestiny: Makes a day shot, regardless of whether or not it kills someone RebirthOfLeGenD: Gives LunarDestiny Bullet Proof Vest. + Show Spoiler [Contract with Annul] + RebirthOfLegend: agree to create a trust entitled "annul's ROL escrow account" and to transfer 1000000 kronos into that trust. annul is named trustee and annul has sole access to the money in the trust. money in this trust must only be used to activate abilities that protect players from harm. annul: (nothing in return) | ||
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I said you didn't have to protect him since he had the vest. He died before he got the vest. I can prove that to ANYONE since I still have my vest. Redirection doesn't even make sense as an ability because I can't make contracts that I can't follow through on. I would have to KNOW where a methdealerish role was in order to redirect his kill. On top of that I had only 3 PM's with LD, I didn't know ANY of the details about his kill, or when he was going to do it. I didn't even know who he was considering for a target. I did however know exactly what you were doing, and you knew exactly how to "ruin" my plan because I practically gave you the out Mr. Lawyer. You KNEW he got the vest after attempting the hit, so all you had to do was kill him before he was invincible beyond YOUR control. This is the same shit I did to LSB in HP mafia. In PMLand I let him think I gave him information he could abuse (IE: That I was a DT) but it was to see if I would get hit, sure enough I did that game. This trap I decided to make someone else take the hit because in that game Meapak and Amber failed to follow through on what I told them. I obviously won't. | ||
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On January 10 2011 05:27 Nemesis wrote: Can you guys calm down for a moment and explain what happened in pm land? Also, annul what exactly was your plan with the DT? And RoL, can you give the exact description of what your bulletproof vest can do? Can it prevent any night kills, but not item kills, or can it only prevent one kill or whatever? While holding a BPV, a person is bulletproof. That means it can save from any kill related to guns. IE: If LD shot someone or if mafia shot someone they would die. I would imagine that if a power involved death not relating to bullets it would most likely go through. Like lynching or poisoning. | ||
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On January 10 2011 05:19 annul wrote: this is ridiculously WIFOM. i knew, based on the logs i just pasted above, that your plan was fishy to begin with. in a game where EVERY OTHER MEMBER must die, there needs to be some restriction to no-death items/abilities. if he could literally never die, the game is de facto imbalanced since that team can never lose. instead, i can also say that you knew you could make this argument when you used your ability on LD, given the information you knew. WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM i have always made the point to say i am "essentially" unkillable -- there are ways around it, of course. obviously i wont say what these ways are. but your ability, as you claimed, is unbeatable and would render the entire game moot. Arguing wifom is bullshit 90% of the time. People don't generally think that far in advance. On top of that, what I said is NOT wifom. Its a possible plan that a decent mafia may or may not think of. I generally think you are decent/good at mafia and would assume that manipulating the extra KP is a logical thing to try to do. In fact, if I had a redirection ability like you are claiming I could easily abuse LD's claim and control his power. Instead I trapped. I also never had a plan beyond giving LD a vest. So I don't know what you think is fishy. As I said before, my action would of made LD living or dying no longer in your control. Thus your influence on him would not exist and you couldn't kill him if he chose not to listen to you. You are also WRONG. A bulletproof vest is beatable by the means I listed. Poison, lynching, etc. Any power NOT relating to bullets. You are grasping at straws because I trapped you and your full of shit. One of two things had to happen either you tried to manipulate the information I gave you regarding mine and LD's contract, OR coincidentally he died after I leaked that information to you. I don't believe in coincidence. You knew the hole in my contract had to do with LD not immediately receiving the vest, and abused that hole I left you. | ||
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On January 10 2011 06:15 Kavdragon wrote: In my experiance, heated arguments like these occur between two townies. Let's not jump to the conclusion that one of them is Scum. I currently believe that Annul is town, based off a lot of information that i trust. I strongly disagree with his lynch currently. Don't let the mafia rush this. I showed the two possibilities above. Either you think its coincidence that LD died after my leaked contract to Annul, or you think Annul had him killed. How else would you explain it? I am generally against coincidences so I am more inclined to believe the latter. | ||
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So the coincidence isn't LD dying, its the timing of his death coming after Annul received certain information that messed up what I view as the two ways to approach a day vig claim like LD did. | ||
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But besides that, lets focus on a big point. I don't believe for a second that your only power is protection. From what you told me you hire a merc group who protects whoever you say to protect. I can't see a merc group only existing for protection. In fact, I would think its a safe assumption that you have more powers then that which you would prefer to not share with us. The issue with your contract plan is we can't confirm that you are sharing ALL your powers with us. The thing is we can't prove you are sharing everything with us, and could just be showing us a single power. You are getting desperate and forgetting the rules of contracts now. You KNOW that LSB won't confirm/deny if you have any extra powers and we can't prove that you do or don't so you will never be caught lying in the contract. You know this because you tried doing something like that with LD and it didn't work, and now you are trying to pretend that you don't realize we can't know if you are sharing all your information with us. All we can know is if your ability you are showing us exists if your contract works. Your arguments have been shitty, flawed, and grasping at straws just like in XXXV. You are using the same arguments as you did in XXV to discredit LSB except against me. The thing is I am better at arguing and point out the holes in all the shit you say. The fact is you knew my BPV to LD would take away your control over his fate and he coincidentally dies before getting my vest? You are the only person who knew about that contract and thought you saw a hole to exploit. Your own arrogance was your demise, in PM games all I do early on is trap people with information, you thought you saw a hole but I just left that to see if you would jump on it. Hell, even if I thought you were town I would of tried doing that to you just to see if you would bite. The way you responded in thread though made me sure you are mafia. Hell guys, if I am wrong go ahead and lynch me tomorrow rofl, to me this is a sure thing. Annul repeating the same mistakes trying to do the same shit he knows won't work to try to save his ass last minute, its pathetic. | ||
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On January 10 2011 17:01 annul wrote: the fact that ROL looks at what i am willing to do and says "WELP too bad kill him anyway" is the clearest sign that he is a mafia. THINK, town. specifically, think monkey and think nemesis. whichever one of you is not the second red, THINK really hard about what i am promising the town. This is more of your attempt to put words in my mouth and say things I never said. I said you are claiming you can prove something which you can, but not even answering when I am saying how you can hide any other ability you want. In case you aren't getting what I am saying yet. I DO NOT BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT YOUR POWER IS LIMITED TO JUST PROTECTS. Got it? Even Kavdragon the only person who wants to try to play devil's advocate says he thinks you most likely have another power you are not admitting to. I will give you a hint, the only person not voting for you right now is Kavdragon because he still believes this LD shit might be a coincidence and Node because hes your scumbuddy. After you flip red hes my next target, and when I am sure I die tonight you guys better remember what I said. Node is trying to avoid implicating himself by commenting on the situation with his partner, that would be my not so humble guess. But time will tell on that. Annul you aren't going to get off the hook, stop making shit up. | ||
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On January 11 2011 00:41 annul wrote: at this point it has nothing to do with that it has to do with his blindness and refusal to respond directly to my counterarguments. it has to do with the form of his attack. it has to do with how i know ROL plays and i am 100% certain of his mafia status. kav is wrong: we are not both town. Kav, I don't know how you see this shit. Let me show you exactly why he is full of shit. These are the EXACT arguments he was using to get LSB lynched. I responded to EVERYTHING you have said, and called you out on every little shit you said. The reason you are getting lynched is because what I am saying makes sense and what you are saying looks like a mafia's desperate attempt to save himself. My form of attack is exactly what I would do in other games, I hound you get you to post then call you out on your shit. I also set traps and contingencies for players if its a PM game, so that I can trick them into revealing themselves. You fell for one, you are red. Its quite simple. On top of that, how does this game look any different then what ExMiMa was about to turn into? Or last game when I got you killed? I could go on with games but I think the point is obvious. I think it was Barundar who described me as a pitbull when I attack someone. Its relentless and vicious and eventually they die. and you know whats funny? I haven't attacked someone and missed a lynch in a very long time. Do you honestly think you are about to be the exception to that? Right now. Pull up all the arguments I didn't confront you directly on. The reason you didn't with that post is because a lot of the time you are trying to make people think I am doing things that I am not, and that my arguments are fluff and hold no weight. Well fortunately we have people who read what I write and realize what you are saying is a strait up lie. When you come up red tonight I am looking at the fence sitters. | ||
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The same reason I lynched LSB, no one can prove 100% that they are town. His arguments were shitty which contributed to his lynch last game. On top of that the town is always terrible at getting off track and you aren't a guaranteed lynch tomorrow. Plus with how this game is working, who the fuck knows if we are even going to be alive tomorrow? If your extra power has something to do with killing or something I'd rather have you dead now. Tomorrow is not a guarantee. LSB said MANY times that this is going to be a really fast game, and with a potential day vig and day KP by mafia I seriously am beginning to wonder just how fast. I am not willing to let you live because it could potentially cause more harm then good among MANY other reasons that I listed. | ||
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On January 11 2011 00:37 annul wrote: I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME what is not clear about this? "From what I understand about your power it doesn't require you to live to work." yes it does. So wait, you just lied to us? This is hilarious. You must really enjoy stumbling all over your words. I said you were trying to black mail us by claiming if you lived you would protect us all. Then I said that with my understanding of your power it works whether or not you are still alive. So you are blackmailing us to keep you alive. Then not even a page later you now admit you lied and your power DOES work even if you are dead now? Awesome. Another attempt at saving yourself. Your other power must be really worth it if you actually end up wasting your money trying to save people in order to keep yourself alive. | ||
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On January 11 2011 11:14 LSB wrote: So what did you guys think of the game? Too many KP? Needs non-kp items? To fast? What about the contracts? Don't ever send out role PM's 48 hours before the game starts again. I will hunt you down, and I will kill you. I couldn't even run interference yet because the game hadn't started. It was half luck that I managed to merc LD before turning on annul with my contracts. The protections for Annul were way too cheap. At the time I gave him my money and LD gave him his he had enough money to protect the entire town for 3 days. That is insane, I don't know why he just didn't do that in the first place. LD's power seemed fine in a larger game. It was too powerful in such a small game even though I figured he wouldn't get more than one hit it still put the mafia on edge facing 2 KP's day 1 we had to avoid and somehow taking down some really OP combo of day vig/OP medic. With your rules they could of gone toe to toe with us since once the game is 2-2 it doesn't end. If we didn't disrupt that the way we did we were fucked. Hard. | ||
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On top of that I want to note that you don't address points and you claim that your opponent doesn't. I never miss a point, I rarely ever manipulate wording. You lied quite a few times, built distrust while I appeared as transparent as possible. Your arguments never truly contradicted anything I said about you, towards the end you were making more sense but I had already beat you so far until then. Yes, it would of been a better idea to have you saving everyone for rest of the game, but you should of used that defense first. Instead you kept trying to manipulate people to keep you alive by lying about your power. You don't make yourself easy to trust while I did. That's why you lost. Ace said it the best. Mafia isn't a game about what the truth is, its a game about what you can convince people of. | ||
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On January 11 2011 04:44 annul wrote: do you think it makes great game balance sense to give a mafia player a ridiculous medic ability AND some weird day vig power, as you claim i have? you are not stupid. neither am i. ROL, i am having tremendous difficulty choosing your second partner. i think it is nemesis, but for some reason i have had tinges of doubt of kav for a while. its sad, because i want to trust him, but his analysis of the situation looks a lot like overzealous positioning for when i pop town as a way to initiate his defense of you. but nemesis is being blatantly dumb about it, node is 100% inactive despite his initial crap of "HEY im all for killing annul" and monkey makes one post with similar sketch logic against me as well. so i am pretty much stuck. the point i guess is to look hard for the second red, in everyone. when i go, there are 5 remaining. i will be spending all of my money protecting everybody prior to my death, so no mafia should be able to get a kill through tonight. it will be 3-2. the town NEEDS to be unified tomorrow and it NEEDS to pick off a mafia. do NOT go with a third bandwagon. do not vote three people. vote for one target. or a second target. but the voting tomorrow needs to be 5-0 4-1 or 3-2. period. this game does not end with my death. On January 11 2011 04:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: So wait, you just lied to us? This is hilarious. You must really enjoy stumbling all over your words. I said you were trying to black mail us by claiming if you lived you would protect us all. Then I said that with my understanding of your power it works whether or not you are still alive. So you are blackmailing us to keep you alive. Then not even a page later you now admit you lied and your power DOES work even if you are dead now? Awesome. Another attempt at saving yourself. Your other power must be really worth it if you actually end up wasting your money trying to save people in order to keep yourself alive. That's the shit I am talking about Annul. Do you not read or do you not remember? You claimed your power couldn't work if you were dead, when I was pretty sure it could. Then like 5 posts later you say it can be used when you die when I point out how you are blackmailing the town to let you live. | ||
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 I remember going "FUCK" inside my head upon reading that. Then me and Ace both dying that night, and our psychopath killer guy RNGing the prophet which killed himself. That was the worst feeling ever  | ||
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On January 11 2011 11:49 Kavdragon wrote: Oh, and I openly admit that I made a mistake. Hind sight is 20/20, and there were a lot of contradictions having to do with what RoL said he would do, and what he did. In then end I couldn't decide which was which. The spammy arguments were a big deterant, but I won't blame it on that. With no easy decision, I decided to kill Annul, becuase he would be the biggest deterant to my plan. His protection could save everyone from me. It's unfortunet that Annul protected Node, but it wouldn't have happened to me if I hadn't switched votes. hmm? What did I say to do and then fail to do? | ||
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On January 11 2011 12:26 Kavdragon wrote: Oh, you said that you were going to get obsessive about this game. You had very little in thread contribution prior to your giant argument. I was working that day and was kind of lazy. When the game started I played it obsessively. Think about yesterday, I spent probably around 16 hours on the computer convincing you, talking to LD, and annul. I spent almost my entire yesterday trying to get annul killed. I worked a lot in PM's and stuff but contributed a bunch in thread. I think I followed through on that promise, just after the game started not while PM's were out. As mafia talking while PM's were out wasn't going to do shit except give me more time to slip up. | ||
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On January 11 2011 12:28 Kavdragon wrote: Absolutly. Even though I screwed everyone over and lost, It was still the funnest Mafia game I've ever played. I loved the fast pace of everything, and I actually liked the PM/Contract stuff. One thing that I'm realizing is that a lot of assumptions were made based off of this game being balanced. It's a test game. Should have guessed that it wasn't actually that balanced. Oh well. yeah I thought my weakest arguments came at the end of today. It was getting harder in my mind to explain why annul could protect people and I felt kind of stupid using the "It would be imba" argument on his protections. Or that he would have a second power he was lying about. My arguments I feel were very well put together until then when it started getting more scrappy. Thankfully there were only a few hours left in the day anyway and I wasn't worried about losing the lynch until Nemesis died when I realized that Kavdragon was going to be the deciding vote because if the game went another direction and didn't end Node's last minute switch would of revealed his alignment. I didn't know he had a grenade on him already too. | ||
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