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On January 03 2011 10:50 LSB wrote: 2. There are two doctors. So even if the mafia knows where two of the most powerful roles are (JOAT, Bullet Bill). It shouldn’t be a problem as we can protect them every single time. What about the fact that the medics identities will be public too? Couldn't they be picked off day one? On January 03 2011 10:50 LSB wrote:3. The mafia only has 1 kp. So at best, they can only take out one good role a night Town has to worry about 2 kp because the SK will likely be sniping good roles as well. It is unlikely that any of these kills will be blocked if the veteran, bulletproof, hider are all public and the medics are sitting ducks. Would it be better for the anti-town roles to be predetermined so the town has some control over them, while the pro-town roles remain hidden? That would result in some overlap in role selection, however important roles like bullet bill and alignment cop won't be taken out so easily. | ||
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On January 03 2011 14:43 LSB wrote: All right, in order to understand this fully, you have to understand one thing Clash is equivilant to a mafia kill / SK kill I disagree. That assumes that the vanilla townie is dead. Even if a clash occurs, the vanilla role is still alive to contribute and still counts towards the win condition threshold. Best case scenario, the clash involves a mafia and leaves them without a role. Sure, the clash is unfortunate, but I wouldn't go as far as saying its a kill. On January 03 2011 10:50 LSB wrote: Lets say that in my plan, I was assigned the DT and you the Medic. All right, mafia might spend on of their KPs and take out the DT Now, lets say we just randomly choose roles. I picked DT, and you picked DT. Sure the mafia 'doesn't know where the medic is' but we have no medic. Perhaps, but I would think the town members with the lower picks would prioritize the medic and dt roles rather that the less useful roles to prevent that type of situation. So there might be some doubling on certain roles, but it would come at the loss of something like the Politician or Veteran, rather than the medic or dt. On January 03 2011 10:50 LSB wrote: Frankly, yeah, one of our DT/Medics will die. But we got 19 other blue roles to draw up on. The point of the plan is to eliminate clash in role selection so that we get an obcene amount of information. If you still don't understand, try propsing a solution. I proposed that the anti-town roles be pre-determined for town manipulation while the town roles were left for selection. It also kinda takes the fun out of "pick your power" when your power is chosen for you, but I'm not strictly against your idea. If we do decide to take your course of action, we should finalize the suggested role list before the alignment pm's go out to prevent any tampering. | ||
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So has everyone come to the conclusion that the predetermined role list is a bad idea or are there some who still wish to support it? | ||
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On January 07 2011 11:35 Jackal58 wrote: When will we be starting? And a question I asked in another game that I got no answer to. Was TL off line this afternoon? Or do I have connection issues I have to deal with at work? I didn't notice any down time this afternoon. I think Ace said we will start once enough people confirm their alignment pms. | ||
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On January 05 2011 07:23 Qatol wrote: I'm just going to say one thing about your plan and then leave you be: I think you're giving up too much information. If you have an assigned role selection list, you just gave the mafia/SK a 0% risk of role clashing. While giving everyone a role is a good thought, I think it is too easy for the mafia to control what they get and then take out the most important roles. Also, it is easy for them to avoid the defensive roles. I think you're giving up too much for what you're getting. On January 05 2011 07:29 Ace wrote: Since the game hasn't started yet I'll say this about your plan: If I was Scum I'd love it. On January 05 2011 07:40 Ver wrote: Yup. God help the town, especially if they have to deal with a traitor. Those three certainly have a fair amount of experience under their belt. The mafia may have had tons of information in PYP2, but I'm not sure if it was exploited as well as it could have been. In regards to overwhelming the mafia with blue roles, several will be much less useful by revealing their identities publicly. Sure we will have tons of blues, but they aren't exactly all that helpful. Role Cop- Why check a role when we know everything? It could be useful in the case of a clash, but if someone decides to go against the list then they will be relatively easy to spot anyways. Doctor- Out in the open, practically forced to protect each other if they want to live past day 2. Bulletproof- Doubt a mafia will decide to shoot a bulletproof. Veteran- Again, won't be a night target. ------- One of the biggest advantages of the list is it weakens the strength of the traitor. Even with the list, odds are likely that someone might try and take it. Who doesn't want a chance to join the mafia after getting a boring town role? I propose that someone in the middle of the draft publicly take the traitor role. If there is a clash then we are able to narrow down where the traitor lies, if not then the traitor is one less thing the town has to worry about. | ||
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On January 08 2011 03:40 LSB wrote: There are 8 pro town roles including the protection roles. Assuming that no protects go through, it would take 8 nights for mafia to try to kill every single pro town role. Secondly, the mafia won't be able to use an extra KP because we would know if a CPR doc goes rouge. With the plan we would know who accomplished this. Without the plan we would just be helpless. Also, if we know where the roleblocker is, we can force the roleblocker to stop the CPR docs from attacking. However, the SK will also be going after certain pro-town roles as well. Combined with the other kill roles and the chance that a couple of the protown roles might go to mafia, they certainly won't be around for 8 days. Mafia won't be able to use the extra two KP directly, but they will still be able to influence their targets, as with a lynch. They may not have the opportunity to go rouge until late game, but I'm sure they won't have any problem when town instructs them to hit another town. Since no one else seems to be suggesting an alternate plan, what is everyone's thoughts on assigning only the anti-town roles that need to be monitored? The top four certainly cannot be allowed to be randomized. Those with the outlined pick should select this role. I would suggest the role blocker be assigned to a slightly higher number, but that is up for debate. The lower tier can hurt the town, but not necessarily kill it. There should at least be some threat that they will be selected in order to deter mafia selection. Maybe sort of probabilistic approach similar to the second game. Prince of Darkness, Politican, and to a lesser extent, Pardoner and God Father have at least some possible pro-town applications so it wouldn't be a total loss if they were selected. The top tier: 1. CPR Doctor 2. Vigilante 3. Copy Cat 10. Role blocker (possibly should be higher) Lower tier: 12. Janitor 13. Prince of Darkness 15. Pardoner 16. Politican 22. God Father | ||
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On January 08 2011 07:24 JimboSilvers wrote: I lied. My plan isn't simple. But it is still effective  . LAL I tend to agree with LSB about the flaws in this route. On January 08 2011 07:49 LSB wrote: Certainly the SK will be a problem. But how would the mafia try to persuade us to use one of the town KP on a role like a doctor or a tracker? Well its possible for the doctor or tracker to be scum. Pro-town roles can't be excluded from being killed based on their role alone. On January 08 2011 07:49 LSB wrote: How would you guareentee investigative roles or doctor roles? There wouldn't be a guarantee. Town members would have to select the appropriate role based on the value of the role at a certain position and what type of role best suites them. Some clashing will occur, but mafia clashing is also possible under this plan. | ||
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On January 08 2011 02:08 Ace wrote: You can start sending in your numbers now. You have until 33 hours from this post to send them in which is 9PM ET/11KST tomorrow. On January 08 2011 11:34 Pigsquirrel wrote: Can we get a list of people who haven't confirmed yet? Or at least an ETA for when we will get started with draft number picking? I feel like this plan discussion could go on for a few weeks and still be where it is now... But I am worried about people not sticking to plan. We might have 3-5 townies go against the plan due to stupidity/rage. That's 3-5 places for scum to hide... | ||
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While I don't exactly agree with the role list plan, since the vig is one of the roles that needs to be made public I will take it. To anyone thinking about taking traitor, just remember I will have an unlimited number of bullets waiting for you ^_^ | ||
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On January 09 2011 11:44 Amber[LighT] wrote: [11][2] Greedy Greedy Could you reconfirm those numbers Amber? Also, you state you intend to RNG your numbers yet you end up with a "greedy" selection. Was that just a coincidence or did you decide to change your selection method? On January 10 2011 02:14 deconduo wrote: I've got a bit of a family emergency, so my posting will be less frequent for the next 2-3 days. For role picking, I am going to random between CPR/JOAT/Vig/Vet/BP, but not announce which one I got. I feel this is a safe way to get a power role but reduces the chance of being targetted by mafia. It also means they have to risk getting nothing if they want to pick one of those roles. Suppose you RNG vig (or flat out pick it to deny town a power role). Then we have a top three clash, I wind up vanilla and a mafia ten spots down can anonymously pick up CPR and double their kp without us having any idea where it is. I don't think your decision is very pro-town. | ||
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Also, claims of vanilla because you "forgot" to select a role will not be taken seriously. -_- | ||
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On January 10 2011 06:44 Barundar wrote: Oh so im 4 now... Kitaman u still going for bullet bill? I had intended to take vig. | ||
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On January 11 2011 07:26 LayOffRage wrote: Fishball is the traitor. That is a pretty serious accusation. Can you please clarify? | ||
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On January 07 2011 15:20 LSB wrote: traitor is suicide, as the traitor wins with the mafia. On January 11 2011 10:11 Fishball wrote: It really doesn't make sense to make a fuss out of this, unless you're suicidal, really... Coincidence? Or trying to draw attention? | ||
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On January 11 2011 10:24 Fishball wrote: Wowzers First of all, I don't know what LSB meant by Traitor is suicide. Traitor is not a Village Idiot. He doesn't win if he die. Secondly, I was referring to deconduo, that him telling a lie of not getting the CPR, does not benefit him in anyway, and is purely suicidal if he choose to do so. So basically, you're taking the word "suicide" out of context from two distinctively different posts and calling it a "clue". My face -> :O Ok, you're the last one for today. You're Mafia too. I assure you, that was a wink, not a facial twitch. ....Or is it? | ||
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On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote: Jackal58 should be the copycat. But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. At the same time, if the copycat is scum, then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice. Either way, would like hear more from Jackal. ##Vote LayOffRage Maybe this might motivate him join the discussion. | ||
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On January 11 2011 13:02 Beneather wrote: But how would they have the role of their choice if they do not know who picked what in the draft since people didn't follow the LSB's plan. If they did and got Copy Cat + Pardoner they could easily have got the role that they wanted, but luckily people didn't. I'm not sure about you, but I think I have a pretty good idea where most of the roles worth sniping are. Plus, the mafia all know their own identities so that helps their chances even more. On January 11 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote: I want to hear LayOffRage's reason for calling Fishball the traitor. Was it supposed to be a joke, or do you have some secret reasoning? nope, looks like it worked  ##unvote LayOffRage On January 11 2011 13:05 LayOffRage wrote: My reasoning is that I attempted to pick the traitor role and it was already gone. so someone above my draft pick took it. If you read earlier fishball refused to pick any of the suggested roles which made me think he was most likely the one who took my role. I was very sadface  Great we have a lead. 1. deconduo 2. Kenpachi 3. kitaman27 4. Barundar 5. Jackal58 6. Fishball 7. Amber[Light] 8. CubEdIn We probably don't want to lynch the traitor day one because of copy cat, rather night hit him. I can confirm my role night two, deconduo and amber can confirm their roles night one. However, I'm not sure I'm ready to clear deconduo just yet due to the whole pm incident. That leaves us with: 2. Kenpachi 4. Barundar 5. Jackal58 6. Fishball 8. CubEdIn There is a possibility LayOffRage is leading us on a witch hunt in the top 8, but I feel that's unlikely. Maybe he would be a good role cop check. | ||
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On January 11 2011 13:45 bumatlarge wrote: I didn't realize he had played before. And I've posted my thoughts on him. Even so, The fact that he has played a game before doesn't change my opinions on him. But on the note of Copy cat taking traitor, that could be a problem. Aidnai has claimed he is vanilla from picking traitor, which means one is in the top 8. Although if a traitor is pressured he will claim he is vanilla to cause confusion. So I will present scenarios. Lynching vs Not Lynching We lynch Aidnai 1. Aidnai is traitor. Role goes to Copy Cat, and we assume it was picked. We CPR him. --a) Copycat is killed. No more CC but no more traitors. All other blue roles are in tact as well. --b) Mafia use KP on Copycat, both recruiting him and protecting him from CPR (I believe). While this seems ideal for scum, they waste a KP as we proceed to lynch copycat. We essentially get a free night without mafia's KP, which is the most dangerous. No reason not to CPR him. 2. Aidnai is town. Traitor exists in top 8, copy cat does not get role. Same situation except we have no control over it. We will have to figure this out when we come to this. 3. Aidnai is mafia. We do not lynch Aidnai. 1. Don't lynch anyone. Traitor among us. This would be a fine description of a god awful town. 2. Lynch someone else. --a) Top 8. Assume one of them there is the traitor. ---- They are not. Strong role dies most likely. Traitor gets pat on the back from mafia and they go out for ice cream. ---- They are. Impressive town. --b) Not top 8. Traitor still there... I believe lynching aidnai is the best option. umm bum? Your analysis is nice and all, but you might wanna reread the thread | ||
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On January 11 2011 13:50 LSB wrote: Umm... I don't know if LOR actualy claimed that he picked traitor Maybe you missed this? On January 11 2011 13:05 LayOffRage wrote: My reasoning is that I attempted to pick the traitor role and it was already gone. so someone above my draft pick took it. If you read earlier fishball refused to pick any of the suggested roles which made me think he was most likely the one who took my role. I was very sadface | ||
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Jackal stated that he intended to follow the LSB plan and select copy cat. Do you guys not trust his claim? | ||
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On January 11 2011 15:10 aidnai wrote: As for lynching LayOffRage, thing is, he can be a pretty decent scumhunter, and he's active, and he claimed green. I don't see why he needs to die before we even get a read on the players in the top 8. And fishball is almost certainly not the traitor. Excuse my ignorance, but who is LayOffRange/how do you know? | ||
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On January 11 2011 16:12 aidnai wrote: you're very clever jimbo. Surely you can think of some explanation where I'm still telling the truth despite your excellent sleuthing? And no, I'm not giving you any hints or talking about this any further. If you won't address Jumbo, then how about enlightening myself instead? | ||
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On January 11 2011 16:18 kitaman27 wrote: EBWOP If you won't address Jimbo, then how about enlightening myself instead? | ||
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aidnai is acting rather scummy and still hasn't addressed my request. With the possibility of a vanilla lynch and a MIA CC, I would feel safer lynching him. The absence of quality of posts and activity from LoR is suspicious as well, however. ##Vote aidnai | ||
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On January 12 2011 07:08 Kenpachi wrote: also, im curious to know how the hell im scummy this game? This infers that you didn't take CC since you don't know where it is. Are you denying that you are the CC? If you did select CC, could you please explain why you decided to secretly obtain it? Also, by not selecting JOAT, if you are scum, then it allows your scum buddy further down the list to snatch it anonymously. Could you explain how this was a pro-town decision? aidnai I will unvote you if you agree to the following conditions: 1) You use your witch role night one 2) You post the targets in the thread before the day post and allow the town to select who to save. Even this does not clear your alignment, but either way it would benefit the town. ##unvote aidnai ##vote layoffrage | ||
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On January 12 2011 08:57 Kenpachi wrote: not scummy.. dunno but it seemed like he was testing out the plan to see what happens. Also, if im CC, why the fuck you lynch me? Are you 100% certain RoL is Traitor or something? i didnt see that yet. So you confirm CC? Could you explain you decision making process when misleading the town on the location of the role? | ||
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On January 12 2011 09:00 Kenpachi wrote: another thing id like to mention is that if im not CC, my role would go over to the real CC. For all you know, the CC might not even be in the top 8 (or is it 4) Are you threatening the town with the hidden CC by not admitting you have it? | ||
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On January 12 2011 09:05 Kenpachi wrote: No Im giving you heads up that you cant eliminate possibilities when anything can happen So you believe it benefits the town to not know where the CC is by not telling us whether or not you selected it? | ||
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On January 12 2011 09:07 Kenpachi wrote: Im okay with dying at night. please feel free to roleblock me and kill me at night because you do not want the CC to get my role. So you confirm you did not select CC? | ||
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On January 12 2011 09:07 LayOffRage wrote: Meh, since everyone knows who I am already there is no advantage to me using this name anymore. If you want to kill me before I decide to do anything credible then do it. You have all seen how I play in normal games. I will do analysis and you can try to find holes if you want and I will argue and find candidates. Since my AKA isn't hitting I will explain my reasoning in full detail. I figured if I did this earlier on it would let off that I was smurfing but since 90% of the game already knows its fine. deconduo Kenpachi kitaman27 Barundar Jackal58 Fishball Amber[Light] CubEdIn these are the players ahead of me in the draft list. One of them IS the traitor. Out of them here is how I will break it down. Kenpachi, Deconduo, Kitaman, Barndar. jackal58 and to a lessor extent cubedln are new guys and if you have the option to choose a role, traitor a non power role definitely isn't high on that list for new guys. Its really hard to play and I was looking for a fun challenge. I knew it would be harder to take the hit and get converted if I wasn't on my normal account so I was going to have to try even harder. I will also say that the above mentioned players aren't generally too crazy of people like what you would expect Chezinu to do. If Chezinu was on that list and even pandain I wouldn't feel confident calling fishball as the traitor. Now for the last two we just have Amber[LighT] and Fishball. Amber is more of a linear player as well not too crazy and if hes town he would choose a powerful town role imo. Fishball however I think is a very likely pick for the person who stole my traitor role. Fishball uses a variety of play styles to avoid establishing any pattern of play, he also never takes games fully serious so he is inherently a very difficult person to read. Fishball also blatantly said he wasn't going to follow the plan the town had been considering. If he was town aligned he probably knew he could pick the traitor role and the odds of someone else picking it were extremely low, especially high up on the draft order. Unfortunately for him I chose to pick it too which meant I narrowed the traitor down to 8 players whose play styles I was familiar with and could make an assessment call on it. If I actually got the traitor role the last thing I would of done was claim that I didn't get the role. It would lead to the exact wifom shit that is happening now of if I am lying and really got it or not and might confuse people for a little while. While if I just played chaotically and did faulty huge analysis I would likely screw with the town and draw a hit for attempting to be productive. So I think Fishball has to be the traitor. If you want to kill me to prove that I am being true feel free to do it. But everyone in this game knows that I could be useful if I was left alive and that they are taking care of the mafia's work. Your vote on Fishball indicates that you wish to lynch the traitor day one. With the copy cat in play, could you indicate how that is a protown decision? Also, to those abstaining, since this is a majority lynch, not voting makes you appear even more scummy that usual. Please take a stand. | ||
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On January 12 2011 10:32 Divinek wrote: im keeping this post saved away somewhere for whenever i do manage to flip and you're wrong :D unless of course you're mafia which would be funnnnnnny, but i dont think you are...yet! but i can see why you would think that i am tehehe eh eh hm. You stated that you pick was likely to be an honesty check. Given the fact that you received a role does that indicate that someone is lying? On January 12 2011 09:07 Kenpachi wrote: Im okay with dying at night. please feel free to roleblock me and kill me at night because you do not want the CC to get my role. You claim to have a really important role, yet you are fine with dying? lol? | ||
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On January 12 2011 13:02 CubEdIn wrote: Oh please. Nobody's gonna change anything with 1-2 votes. They need to switch 4 votes to Kenpachi to change the lynch. Not gonna happen. Its majority lynch so no one gets lynched unless someone wants to change their vote to RoL. Who wants to step up? I know I wouldn't pass up an opportunity to yell "hammer time" | ||
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On January 12 2011 13:16 LSB wrote: I'm cool with deconduo killing LayoffRage Why not now? Same result, except it gives the town an extra kp, no? | ||
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@LSB, relying on roles rather than analysis? You know better than that, don't you? I'm not sure why I would be considered murkey, with the exception of the traitor plausibility which I can confirm tomorrow. I wouldn't mind a medic on myself and deconduo considering a MIA copycat with an extra kp would be extremely dangerous. | ||
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On January 13 2011 06:22 Jackal58 wrote: If I were Mafia it would have been in my best interest to claim the CC and not create any turmoil whether I received that role or not. I am vanilla townie. That fact gives us a 25% chance of lynching a red. I still think Kenpachi is the red. He lied for no apparent reason. Or you could be a traitor which gives you an excuse for not having a role and causes one of the top four to take a hit. No one has really mentioned who the role blocker should target. Jackal might be a decent choice if you don't have a candidate who you think is scummier. It wouldn't interfere with any pro-town roles if he is vanilla and it allows us to confirm the identity of the role blocker. (Amber?) | ||
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Looks like a role snipe/guaranteed hits. Barundar likely has the best role Divinek is probably the most experienced player from the list. | ||
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On January 13 2011 13:14 LSB wrote: That's a lot of KP. By a lot I mean more than the 3 I was expecting. Dear god, multiple SK? Plus a wild JOAT? | ||
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On January 13 2011 13:36 Amber[LighT] wrote: Now does the CC get to pick an ability, or does the CC just receive Day Vig? 1. deconduo (possibly cpr) 2. Kenpachi 3. kitaman27 (vig) 4. Barundar (dead) 5. Jackal58 (dead, copy cat is above) Doesn't look good for the top two. I question deconduo's unwillingness to hit kenpachi, but that may have been a judgment call. The only reason I would consider sparing kenpachi is if he used his day vig power and hit a mafia. | ||
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On January 13 2011 13:56 Kenpachi wrote: Yea i would say kita is the CC but we dont know if hes town or mafia.. i think we should take out the traitor under ranks 5.. My guess would be Amber. This kind of post is 100% scummy. First he accuses me of being the CC, followed by "we don't know if hes town or mafia". Seriously? How can the CC be town at this point. That doesn't make sense at all. | ||
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On January 13 2011 14:06 LSB wrote: You kill him tonight Kitaman =D? I fear the day vig might try to take me out due to inferiority complex | ||
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On January 13 2011 14:33 Kenpachi wrote: I suggested the possibility of 2 SKs in the beginning of the thread and it was brushed off. BTW, i want CC to take day vig and kill me now before this gets out of hands.. If that's the case, wanna role claim? | ||
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On January 13 2011 14:38 Kenpachi wrote: There is no JOAT i am townie godfather.  | ||
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On January 13 2011 14:57 Kenpachi wrote: oh and GodFather was important because 1. No Mafia can fake their role 2. I wanted to steal it from Mafia 3. I usually get lynched.. but owell. Let me get this straight. You are a town godfather, yet you request the day vig hit, which would prevent you from using your "town" kp after lynch? | ||
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On January 13 2011 21:39 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2011 17:06 JimboSilvers wrote: Wow what the hell do you think you pansies are doing here. I leave, and everyone decides on the brilliant idea of lynching LayOffRage, who claimed vanilla who picked traitor. He claimed to have failed at picking traitor, which no scum in his right mind would do. His lynch was pretty much opposed by nobody, and nobody stepped up to defend him. So he's obviously not scum, and he claimed traitor is above him. Yet you guys decided to lynch him for no other reason than because you thought he was lying. Or you were afraid of lynching a witch. Brilliant. Its 17 players left and 4 people died last night. If one hit was a JOAT hit, then its another 4 hits tonight + 1 lynch = 12 players left. There are 5 are mafia, 6 if mafia recruited the traitor, which would make it game. If it wasn't a JOAT and there's 2 SKs, then its 5 hits tonight which is even worse. So this is a potential lylo. Even if we correctly lynch today, its 4 mafia left and we have few leads. So priorities for right now are that we need to lynch red, and we need to get rid of questionable KP sources. deconduo is supposedly the CPR doctor. But besides all the attention he gets from his role, he is nothing but a useless, space wasting, unreliable heap of uselessness. In his first few posts, deconduo asks a few questions and puts out a couple one liners about LSB's plan. He doesn't offer anything conclusive and doesn't try to put forward any new ideas. A little later on, he quotes Fishball and says: Doesn't offer any more opinions and doesn't follow up on this comment. He just comes in, pops in a negative statement, and disappears from the thread for an entire day. What is his point? He certainly isn't invested in his opinions. The next day, he comes back, picks a "random" number, and gets first pick. Other than that, he contributes nothing. Has a panic "crisis" where he claims he didn't get the role he picked. All this time its just one liners. What is he trying to do? Make it look like he is active or something? His vote post is interesting. He lays out the three candidates, lists general reasons to vote for them, but is very wishy-washy and doesn't take a real stand, meandering his way around lynch. He just picks one but doesn't seem convinced about who he's voting for. Right after that, he asks "On a last note, do you guys want me to zap someone tonight, and who do you want me to zap? Don't forget mafia can manipulate the 'zap vote' just as easily as they can manipulate a lynch." That last sentence is just terrible. Why does he need to mention this statement? It seems like he is just giving himself an out when a townie dies. Next, he pops out of nowhere to accuse Amber[LighT] of OMGUS voting for aidnai. Yet he doesn't like the way aidnai is playing either. So what is it? deconduo isn't putting any thoughts into his post. He's pointing fingers without pointing fingers. In his next useless post, he says: Which best suspects? Why didn't you mention these earlier? Why were you so wishy washy in your vote post yet suddenly say that the "best suspects" are at the top? And following this, his next post says he'll random who to hit between Kenpachi, Jackal58, and Fishball. This is suspicious. He doesn't want to be accountable for his choice. And perhaps he even wants to protect one of his mafia buddies by giving a list and picking one at "random". deconduo's posts bring up more questions than answers. First he is clearly lurkiing the thread. He tries to spread doubt through the town, and uses questionable methods to determine who to zap. He doesn't take responsibility for his actions, and just seems to be flailing around looking for a consensus. A consensus that would allow him to blame his missteps on the town as a whole. As a bonus, deconduo has night KP. Getting rid of that will give us a bit more time and hopefully give us at least another day to find another red. ##Vote Deconduo I love this guy, I wish I could have told him to pick mason I've got an idea. The top three can prove themselves. One is a CC, right? They have DayVig then (?Assuming first kill is the first passed?). All they need to do is type: Kill: bumatlarge (Yay, I'm not DayVig!) Or someone else. That way we can know for certain who is what. So deconduo, kitaman and kenpachi, proceed to do this ASAP. If you are not DayVig, it will do nothing. Also, if Dayvig is scum, I'd advise him to use it on someone they consider SK, as I believe it will kill them. There are supposedly 2, as we don't even know if a JOAT is in play, let alone used their ability. ##Vote deconduo ##Kill bumatlarge Nope, not me. Good idea. | ||
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On January 14 2011 02:17 deconduo wrote: Meh, I thought I had a chance but obviously not now thanks to bumatlarge. I'm SK, I was going to take CPR like I was supposed to but changed to copy cat at the last second while under the influence of a lot of alcohol. Of course in the morning I had no idea I changed my mind and was totally confused when I got CC instead of CPR. It was only by checking my sent PMs that I vaguely remembered what I did. A lesson to not play mafia while drunk  I was able to use my KP to take out Jackal, hoping there wouldn't be anything in the day post to differentiate between bullets and zaps. I thought I was pretty safe, but I didn't count on someone (bum) to come up with that idea. Oh well. Also, being first pick as SK is kinda sucky. Theres way too much attention on you. ##Vote Deconduo I'm gonna be nice and not use the Day Vig shot. Good luck everyone <3 I would consider not lynching you if you wanted to trade survival for day vig shot and sk kp of the town's choice. Your win condition requires you to want to live and this might be your best shot. You never know what might happen later on ^_^ | ||
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@Amber, I feel you haven't really addressed your role blocking ability. Could you confirm that you selected it and tell us who you blocked night one? @Cube, If you are the medic then why did you claim? Also, who did you protect night one? @Deconduo, I agree that your day vig ability should be used today, rather than waiting. Its in your best interest to target a scum. If you want my opinion, I would say Kenpachi since we are probably missing a joat. @BC, Could you explain how you intended to play as a town godfather or was it selected solely as an honesty check? | ||
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On January 14 2011 10:04 CubEdIn wrote: I claimed because people were looking for traitor. I just picked the role in LSBs plan. Then I realized it's crappy. I wanted to 'protect' aidnai but I figured if he's telling the truth then: a) i could roleblock him and that would blow b) i could die On January 11 2011 18:45 CubEdIn wrote: Ok here are my thoughts: 1. First I thought aidnai is scummy. Mostly because he's been extremely passive with his posts. Not taking any sides, not pushing anything, just trying to favor other people's ideas so as to not actually draw attention when the shit hits the fan. 2. Then I saw the analysis on LoL, and I figured, ok, that looks like a decent plan for town, high chance of it going well, might clarify some things, seems like a good day 1 vote. 3. Then aidnai starts defending him out of the blue. This changes everything. My gut feeling says that LoL is in fact townie, and aidnai knows this, and since he already has a mini-bandwagon going for him, aidnai thinks it's a good idea to defend him, so when he gets lynched and turns green, he will be absolved of guilt. I'm just thinking all this because it's more or less exactly what I'd do if I was scum and targeted so brutally on day 1. I know it's not good enough evidence, but I need to go with it for now. If town will need one extra vote to lynch LoL, I might change it, but for now... ##Vote aidnai On January 12 2011 05:21 CubEdIn wrote: As for the lynch, I still see no good reason to change to LoR. Aidnai seems just as good a target so far, and if we lynch a townie at least we're not killing a very promising one. That doesn't seem very consistent. Why would you want to protect aidnai when he was one of your biggest scum suspects. Its almost as if you brought him up to give you an excuse not to role block him. Either way, a medic who chooses not to save is really suspicious. | ||
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On January 14 2011 14:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If kenpachi isn't the GF (how the hell isn't he? did he just claim ANOTHER ROLE), that would mean someone between #3 and #12 is the gf. at 13 I aimed for it and didn't get it. I honestly don't get you people. ##vote LSB You are just way to scummy right now not to vote for. LSB is addressing Fishball with that post. He isn't saying kenpachi isn't the godfather. | ||
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On January 15 2011 02:48 deconduo wrote: Poll: Day vig? LSB (7) Fishball (6) BC (2) Other (0) 15 total votes Your vote: Day vig? I'm not sure I like anonymous polls, but I voted fishball. Either way, you should use your shot soon to give us at least 6-7 hours to decide the lynch. | ||
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On January 15 2011 05:42 deconduo wrote: LSB 5 Fishball 5 You guys are decisive Mafia can influence the outcome of polls that that however they want. I think most people have had enough time to give their opinion. Please select the scummiest target so we can use the remaining time to decide a lynch. The less time you give us, the greater the chance we might have to settle on lynching you | ||
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On January 15 2011 06:10 aidnai wrote: I STRONGLY dislike the anonymous vote. I would rather have people put their own name on what they vote for, just like the lynch. I know it's more work deconduo, but you should go off of what people say in thread, not based off of that poll. I agree the poll cannot be trusted, but there isn't enough time to wait for everyone to vote for his target. People have had a full 24 hours to state their opinion and Deconduo will have to choose the best target if he wants to stay around. Preferably, within the next 15 minutes so we can focus on a majority lynch. | ||
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On January 15 2011 06:43 Beneather wrote: ##Vote Abstain I haven't been reading much cause of school so I really don't think I can choose on who to vote for. Who has GodFather didn't Kenpachi claim godfather? If LSB is scum he's most likely to be a vanilla scum if he followed his own plan. Then there's a chance of kitaman7 or Fishball of being traitor, but Fishball is the most suspicious to what everyone is saying. Really hard to choose Abstaining would be the best for me IMO. Kenpachi has godfather. LSB and BC also claim to have selected godfather after him. Please return before 9pm est to change your vote. Abstaining kills the town. On January 15 2011 06:25 deconduo wrote: The votes for LSB seem legit, but people seem to have switched from BC to Fishball and not said anything about it. For a serial killer, your sure seem to take a while to kill someone. Are you getting paid by the hour? :p Even after you make your decision, we still have to wait for Ace to post the results giving us even less time for the lynch. -_- | ||
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Not sure if it matters, but I think the format is "Kill: Player" Any last minute thoughts LSB? | ||
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Ace could you confirm whether or not the kill counts? 2 hours till lynch. ##vote Fishball | ||
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On January 15 2011 09:19 Beneather wrote: ##Unvote: Abstain ##Vote: LSB sorry wrong format.. lol hes dead? | ||
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EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect. Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball. To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig) There are 30 minutes remaining. | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. As for bum, placing a vote to see if hes alive and around isn't bad, it saves me from being modkilled. I will however change my vote to whoever is most likely to die. IE be the hammer vote. There are two remaining traitor candidates, fish or cube. The fact that they won't vote against each other may mean they are both scum. I'm not sure how keeping fish around at the moment is the smarter choice. If we eliminate one, there is a 50% chance he is scum (probably more than that). If not then we have a 100% chance to kill cube at night. Seems to me you don't want to commit. Why hammer vote when you can vote now? Listen to fish, he is calling me a SK. Cmon now. | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:42 Amber[LighT] wrote: ##vote: Bloddyc0bbler Throwaway vote :/ So you don't want a lynch tonight? Why move off fish..... | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fish is an intelligent player, he knows to keep alive he (if red) has to play a very dangerous game which means he has to help the town to stay alive. Decon has KP. However, amber is not off the hook for potential candidate of a traitor, nor are you until you use your KP. People need to keep in mind amber hasn't proved his role, kenpachi hasnt (although his is likely), fish hasn't claimed, and cube hasn't proved his. Amber role blocked kenpachi, which kenpachi then confirmed via the pm from ace. Kenpachi is the godfather, you said yourself it would be silly for a forth player to select it. I'm a vig. I'm not cleared but look at the situation. I'm pushing for a lynch while fish sits back and abstains. If he knows he isn't the traitor than surely he would be pushing the lynch on someone who does. | ||
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You are all content with no lynch? Wasting a town kp. Setting us up poorly for night actions. Sigh. | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Keep in mind there are more than one situations to amber / kenpachi both red / lying. amber traitor / kenpachi red amber legit / kenpachi legit amber legit / kenpachi red. Amber is not 100% confirmed as we don't know his alignment, nor do we know kenpachi's. Didn't cube also say he prot'd kenpachi? It is possible his prot roleblocked kenpachi and that is where the roleblock came from. They aren't confirmed. Agreed, but it didn't realize we should pass up a town lynch due to the fact that we can't confirm a player is 100% red. | ||
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On January 15 2011 10:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: 5 red, 2 sk, 1 traitor, at start of day 2 with 10 townies we now have 5/1/1/10 That is still 10v7. One dead townie is rough on us. What is even more rough is taking another 3+ kills until our day cycle comes back around. Since we can't decide a lynch target in 48 hours, might as well start to discuss dec and my targets for tonight. On January 15 2011 11:02 deconduo wrote: That brings me up to 7 which is still not enough, so you guys better suck up to me and give me good reason to play along tonight. The way I see it, you probably don't plan on keeping me alive for the next lynch. Certainly you agree that it is in your best interest to target a mafia tonight, no? The town doesn't mind keeping you around if you are willing to target scum, however the mafia wants you dead because their kp doesn't hurt you. It would be beneficial if our hits do not overlap as well. | ||
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On January 15 2011 11:36 CubEdIn wrote: Why not consider Amber too? He publicly threw away the vote and was fine with it. Why is he always slipping under the radar? I would like to hear an explanation from him. | ||
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On January 15 2011 11:33 deconduo wrote: Then there is not much point going after traitor yet, so I am going to ignore the fishball/cubed thing and stick with bum. Other candidates I think could be mafia are misder and beneather. Might be people to think about kita. Whether or not the traitor is recruited, he still has a mafia win condition and will contribute to their lynch target (probably you). Would you consider hitting fishball? I would make the hit myself, except there is a chance I could be role blocked so you should be the one hitting the most concrete target. Amber who do you plan to role block tonight? BC do you still plan to make your analysis of bum before night actions are due? Bum did you fall down the rabbits hole again? Do you have any night hit suggestions? | ||
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On January 15 2011 14:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Its posts like this that make happy. That LSB guy seems pretty suspicious to me too. I officially appoint you as our LSB watchman. If he says anything that doesn't seem right, please let us know. | ||
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(I still would also like to hear from Amber about his roleblocking target and his reasons for moving off fishball in the previous lynch and from dec about his kp target so we don't overlap) On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ##vote layoffrage Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target. On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. On January 15 2011 10:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fish is an intelligent player, he knows to keep alive he (if red) has to play a very dangerous game which means he has to help the town to stay alive. First, lets contrast this questionable reasoning: Rol: Possibly a traitor. Experienced player, so probably scum. Fish: Possibly a traitor. Experienced player, so great to keep around. Ulterior motive? On January 14 2011 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Point 4 Two simple reasons for choice of GF. 1) deny a scummy looking player his role 2) take a role that would give me a KP to use as I don't see very many people focusing on behavioural analysis anymore. IN ANY GAME. As its a role that was less likely to be noticed for its KP purposes I went for it. It fits my style completely. This fits your style completely? You do realize that you have to be lynched in order to use this kp, right? If you are town, why would you foresee yourself getting lynched in the first place? Aren't you the type of player that gets sniped at night, not lynched during the day. What did you intend to do if you got checked by bulletbill? "Opps, its okay guys. I'm godfather. No worries!" On January 14 2011 01:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The reason of choosing a role purely to deny it from the mafia seems far too unlikely. Either he has an ulterior motive on top of that, or huge FoS on him. You actually say it best yourself. The godfather role has far more scum applications than town. I'm not sure I buy that you selected it to deny the role and use a lynch kp, over the possible remaining pro-town roles. On January 14 2011 01:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now we move onto LSB. I can't fault him too terribly for not speaking up about gf as well, I didn't get it either and was waiting to see if he spoke up saying he got it before bringing it up, however. Yet you did. Many times. It's great you helped find a SK, but as a scum desperate to quickly find a day vig target, LSB would have been the best choice. On January 14 2011 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: the way I hit people as mafia is unique compared to most players. Guess what, none of the people who died fit my criteria for night 1 hits. Huh? What is this even supposed to mean? Since the death list doesn't match your "system" you are supposed to be given a free pass? On January 14 2011 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No excuse at all. If you have convictions that someone is town, you don't vote for them, period. On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I will however change my vote to whoever is most likely to die. IE be the hammer vote. You contradict yourself here. You don't vote for fish because you don't have a strong enough belief he is scum and don't want to accidentally vote off an innocent town. Yet now you agree if majority is about to be reached, you will join the bandwagon, regardless of your personal beliefs. Sounds as if you are just providing an excuse for yourself why you won't commit. On January 16 2011 03:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are my favorite new player! I honestly hope you keep this level of performance up in other games. Heh flatery. I'm sure we've all seen this used before. | ||
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On January 16 2011 06:18 Amber[LighT] wrote: Keeping Fishball alive even if he's the traitor does not give mafia anything beneficial. If mafia wants to convert Fishball he must be targeted by mafia (peace out mafia night KP). If SK wants to shoot Fishball, then that's fine. We can use this to once again confirm Deconduo is a serial killer, and not mafia. Or I could roleblock Fishball so if mafia was intending on converting he would just die instead (wasteful). Traitor - You hold no allegiance to the town. If you are targeted by Scum at night with any action, instead of that action happening you'll be recruited by them instead. You lose if the Mafia lose. However you are part of the town count before recruitment. I strongly disagree that keeping the traitor alive doesn't benefit mafia. He still wants mafia to win and counts as an extra vote on their side. In addition, he may distract the town from scum hunting and even take a lynch in place of a real scum. Also, to convert the traitor, a night kp does not need to be used. Any night action will convert him. For example, if the scum happens to select role cop, doctor, mason, joat, cpr, role blocker, tracker, or parity cop they can use their role on the obvious traitor candidates. Odds are pretty high that the traitor is already recruited. On January 16 2011 06:18 Amber[LighT] wrote: We need to keep the players we have alive around until we obtain additional information. Also to the doctors, please be smart about protection. There are certain roles we need to keep around, but roles don't equate alignment. Think about who you want to see around for future days, not who's role is most important. Hmm? Does this mean you advocate not using my night kp? | ||
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On January 16 2011 08:02 Amber[LighT] wrote: Even if I did... who would you hit? Well I'm still waiting for BC to respond to my post above, for the analysis on bum he promised and for dec to identify his night target (which the town seems to have little interest in controlling) The only player that has really suggested a target to me is dec and he isn't even a town. Anyone have any input? Also, Amber would it be possible for you to identify your role blocking target before the night post so we can monitor your intentions and have that person confirm your block? It would also be nice if cube could post his "medic" target in the time between the deadline and night post. | ||
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On January 16 2011 08:38 Amber[LighT] wrote: I can't do that, but I have an insurance policy to make sure that things work out as they should. Could you explain? I can't seem to think of the insurance policy you are referring to off the top of my head. If you don't want to tip off your target before the deadline, would it be possible to post between the deadline and night post? I'm worried about the type of situation that could arise if I get killed, my hit doesn't go through, and I'm not alive to state whether or not I was role blocked. | ||
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On January 16 2011 09:48 deconduo wrote: If you are pretty sure that fishball is the traitor and that it is worth it to switch to him, then sure. Bum seems to have come around a bit so maybe I was wrong about him. So you confirm fishball is your target? | ||
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On January 16 2011 10:03 Amber[LighT] wrote: I think taking out a mafia member should be more prioritized vs. taking out a potential traitor. IMO Kenpachi should be your target. I still don't trust him. I'm not sold on kenpachi unless you have something else to add. I think dec on fishball would be better. | ||
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On January 16 2011 10:24 deconduo wrote: Amber yes, but I'm not quite sold on kita. As you don't know what kind of doc you are you might RB him which would be bad. I'm willing to accept the 1/8 risk of being role blocked if you want to RNG between your two targets. Post your decision after deadline? | ||
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On January 16 2011 10:28 deconduo wrote: Meh, sent in the hit for fishball. k. I might hold off my hit or go after a scummy lurker. I'll post my decision after the deadline. | ||
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On January 16 2011 11:01 CubEdIn wrote: K deadline passed right? yep. I ended up hitting BloodyC0bbler. | ||
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On January 16 2011 11:02 CubEdIn wrote: I protected kitaman27 <3 | ||
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On January 16 2011 08:46 kitaman27 wrote: I'm worried about the type of situation that could arise if I get killed, my hit doesn't go through, and I'm not alive to state whether or not I was role blocked. I was hit and role blocked. Amber, could you please identify your target and "insurance policy"? | ||
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On January 16 2011 11:29 CubEdIn wrote: Sorry for RBing you kita. Only a 25% chance it was you. Would like to hear from Amber. Whoever Zeks masoned with should post all their chat logs. Anyone with relevant night actions should post (parody cop and tracker) There is an unaccounted for kp as well, unless dec lied about hitting fishball. The fact that a scum was targeted probably means it was a SK. | ||
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On January 17 2011 03:28 aidnai wrote: Ok, so as soon as Kitaman pops in here with confirmation that he was not role blocked last night and in fact targeted BC, we'll know for a fact we got a liar between one of the two of them. I haven't looked too hard at Kita yet, I was waiting for him to confirm his role last night. Since nothing is confirmed, and I think Kita has been posting enough to analyze, time to go back and take a look. Bum, I can't really defend myself from 'guilt by association' except by my actions, so  I guess if we get BC or Kita lynched and hit a scum, will you back off then? I already confirmed that I was role blocked a while ago. Pig, could you confirm that you were roleblocked as well? deconduo, odds are pretty likely that the zeks hit was by a SK. Did you decide to switch your target since you knew fishball would be a likely lynch? Fishball, can you confirm you were hit? If the role cop, parity cop or tracker has useful information, now would be the time to claim. | ||
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On January 17 2011 05:19 Amber[LighT] wrote: You don't need confirmation. I'm not lying and I'm confirmed as pro-town. Kitaman was not roleblocked. I send this PM to zeks so he would know who I role blocked. + Show Spoiler + im goign out so i wont be around and im drunk already ... i role blocked pigsquirrel Original Message From zeks: By the page 16 list then you got these people with an action Fishball - Medic (but he's likely traitor imo) bumatlarge - Role Cop Eiii - Parity Cop assuming they had followed LSB's plan...afaik I think eiii said he was going to follow the plan and picked parity cop but i don't think he has said a thing about his check night 1 and maybe a JOAT that got picked up. Any of these would fish the traitor - well assuming the traitor wasn't already picked up by the scum Show nested quote + Well I certainly was role blocked, I'm just trying to find out by who. Cube had a 25% chance of blocking me. While possible, the odds are only 1/4. Rather than posting your role block in the thread, you used a scum as your insurance policy (probably without knowledge of). I'm not accusing you of anything, I would just like to hear from multiple sources. | ||
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On January 17 2011 06:54 Fishball wrote: All your slash acronyms makes my head hurt. This is not my point. I'm talking about this quote specifically. For all that matters, it does not CONFIRM him. I already bit on LSB once for using the word "confirm" loosely. NOTHING is confirmed. However, I give credit where credit is due. I do appreciate you pointing out the possibility of Cube saving an actual hit. I was either hit by a SK, mafia or rouge town kp. I think the town kp is highly unlikely. I question why would a SK hit me if I'm the Compulsive Vigilante? That would just make their job harder. That leaves a scum hit. Maybe I'm not confirmed, but you will rarely get a situation where someone is 100%. Its hard to tell if the kp are consistent from day one to day two since we don't know if Divinek was hit or if he was hiding. Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared. Which of these situations seem most likely to you? 1 deconduo (copy cat, cannot be traitor) 2 Kenpachi (either BC is the godfather or someone between BC and kenpachi selected the godfather) 3 kitaman27 (lied about being role blocked and being hit at night) 4 Barundar (dead, cannot be traitor) 5 Jackal58 (dead, cannot be traitor) 6 Fishball 7 Amber[Light] (lied about role blocking kenpachi and pig, meaning kenpachi and pig would also have to be lying, assuming pig ever comes forth) 8 CubEdIn (lied about saving me from a hit, while a second medic did save me from a hit) 9 LayOffRage (dead, cannot be traitor) | ||
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On January 17 2011 07:14 Kenpachi wrote: Amber denied roleblocking me? Cube did you protect me? I Got a message saying "You were roleblocked last night" the start of Day 2.. No, I mean for Amber to be the traitor, both you, pig, and Amber would have to be lying. | ||
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On January 17 2011 07:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I mean the fact there were 5 "hits" make sense if decon isn't the sk. This is kinda unrelated, but it was something I never got a chance to address BC. You repeatedly state that if Fishball is the traitor he has to provide reds for us to stay alive. 1) Why would the traitor in his situation ever consider hunting for a red? 2) What reds has he found? | ||
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On January 17 2011 07:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I will speak from experience. When I was Traitor back when the role was first introduced to TL, I knew If i got intouch with the mafia I could help them, except I also had to be active enough and not appear as scum. To this regards I analyzed. Pointing out people you think are "red" but not pushing them to a lynch is a good sign for reds to spot you and make contact. Fishball has "analyzed" multiple people this game but never pushed for a lynch. If you believe he is traitor these would be the signs you are looking for, subtle clues in thread to reveal who he is. With a list of 5-6 players it woudl take mafia forever to find him on their own without luck. Him giving signs (finding a few of them, or giving off tell tale signs) would be what they need. The fatal mistake in your thinking is that just because hes traitor (in a no pm game no less) that he will just sit back and wait for them to find him, he has to meet them halfway, or find them. Since he clearly fits your traitor profile, how come you were so resistant to have him lynched the day before? You argue that a traitor fishball should be let to live because he will help the town, yet now state that he would never push a red for a lynch. Have you gained any new information that has changed your mind or do you still advocate keeping him around? On January 15 2011 14:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Plan to yes, but only because I don't actually think I will live throughout the night. I have a gap between my staff meeting and when i have to be at work tommorrow in which I plan on doing it. Also, isn't it common for scum to promise analysis, but never deliver? @bum. You seemed to indicate that you have information to reveal. Is that something that would be relevant? On January 16 2011 10:48 deconduo wrote: Misder or beneather would be my choice I think. I think it would be dumb of zeks to claim mason as thats easily verified. deconduo suggested I not hit zeks. Combined with his miss on fishball, not sure how trustworthy he is. BC is trying to push a lynch of dec if fishball pops traitor, so its hard to tell. Since nearly 24 hours have passed and we still don't a lynch discussion yet..... ##Vote Fishball | ||
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On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote: Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. Your only response to the traitor situation is that everyone thinks you are it and you're not focused on finding it. Seeing that you already voted for me, that just further proves my point. Your decision was already decided long ago, and I rather not waste hours of my Sunday debating on something that will have little to no effect on my case. You have given little reason to change my mind. There are very few possible situations remaining. If I were in your situation and knew I wasn't traitor I would surely push for who I thought it was rather than go after a giant list of inactives. 2 Kenpachi (either BC is the godfather or someone between BC and kenpachi selected the godfather and bum is lying about his role cop check) 3 kitaman27 (lied about being role blocked and being hit at night) 6 Fishball 7 Amber[Light] (lied about role blocking kenpachi and pig, meaning kenpachi and pig would also have to be lying, assuming pig ever comes forth) 8 CubEdIn (lied about saving me from a hit, while a second medic did save me from a hit) On January 17 2011 09:20 bumatlarge wrote: Did he claim? I must have missed it. Well I know he is lying so until he responds to his situation. ##Vote Eiii I don't recall a Eiii claim either. | ||
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On January 17 2011 10:18 Pigsquirrel wrote: Referring back to a rather old topic, but more relevant now that Fish is being accused of traitor/scum. Amber switched his vote off of Fish and threw away the lynch. If Fish gets lynched, major FoS at Amber for switching off of him. Also, I've tried to do some analysis on BC but completely suck as this is my first game. He's said quite a few things that seem like slips and has been very disruptive and seems manipulative, like LSB. I still don't trust him. ##vote BloodyC0bbler Confirm you were role blocked last night? lol @ bum. How dare you use your story telling abilities to prevent me from wanting to hit you. :p Another lol @ fish for going back to calling my a SK. | ||
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On January 17 2011 11:48 Fishball wrote: Truth - You did not list the possibility that you can be SK Truth - You did not list the possibility that you might not be Vig. Saying that I could be serial killer wouldn't make sense. [*] Traitor - You hold no allegiance to the town. If you are targeted by Scum at night with any action, instead of that action happening you'll be recruited by them instead. You lose if the Mafia lose. However you are part of the town count before recruitment. This role is nullified for the Serial Killer(s) since it may be too broken if they have it. Maybe if you keep calling me SK enough times, it might come true! I didn't list the possibility that I might not be vig because I know I am vig. I'll give you that. So am I the person you suspect to be traitor? On January 17 2011 11:48 Fishball wrote: You think you can just laugh it off, again? I've also said this once to LSB. I don't care if you are Mafia/SK/Town/Bystander that is not playing the game, you cannot deny this. It's almost like me saying, "lol @ kitaman27 for going back to calling me a Traitor". Hmm, that seems vaguely familiar. Oh right! | ||
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On January 17 2011 12:19 Fishball wrote: When, did I accuse you of being the Traitor. WHEN? Show me. Even any subtle sign, I would like to see you quote me. A bit subjective here aren't we? Now I'm really inclined to see you flip. ##Vote kitaman27 When did I accuse you of accusing me of being the Traitor. WHEN? This is getting silly -_- I asked you who you thought the traitor was with a list of possible suspects. You responded by saying that I left out the fact that I could not be the vig. I responded by asking if that omission meant you thought I was the traitor. Thanks for voting at least. I wish the result of the town would get around to voting unless they want a no-lynch like the day before. | ||
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On January 17 2011 12:59 bumatlarge wrote: Jesus, it's like everyone glances through thread "ANYTHING PERTAIN TO ME? REFUTE! OK GOODNIGHT." I'd like to think fishball is town so that his zeks' list actually means something. But that would leave a traitor in these 4; Kenpachi, kitaman, Amber and cube. I will try to break these down right now so there is no confusion. Kenpachi: Claimed GF Proof - BC and LSB tried to grab GF also, LSB is dead SK vanilla. Bum Role checked. - Chance of LSB lying is improbable, so GF is in the game. Both BC and bum would have to be lying. Ken has to be GF or these three are mafia Not Traitor kitaman27: Claimed Vig Proof - None? Claimed RB from cube. This clears kita's story unless both cube and him are scum, but he is not proven Vig. You still get informed you get RB if you are vanilla AFAIK. Possible Traitor Amber[Light] Claimed RoleBlocker Proof - Kenpachi confirmed he was roleblocked night 1? Unless Cube and amber are in cahoots, it's not something Amber would risk, and also amber was zeks mason. Don't think mason would ally with traitor. Pig also was RB'd night 2, hasn't said anything. Not traitor Likely town CubEdIn Claimed Doctor Proof - Says it roleblocks at the same time. Now I can't make SHIT out of what cube says. He protected kita night 2and it said he was saved and roleblocked which means both are legit, or both are scum. Night 1, I think I've read the 20 pages after night 1 a bunch and I'm missing it. Can you clear this up cube? Might just be me missing it. Not Traitor Bum? I thought we had something special. I could have been your gender-confused batgirl! This post seems very focused towards making me look bad. I admit I haven't been able to prove I'm vig, but think of it this way. The traitor does not want to eliminate other traitor suspects because that narrows down who could be the bad guy. I have been pushing fishball for two days now to get him lynched because I know I am not the traitor. Fishball has been ignoring the traitor hunt for the most part. I also took a hit last night. While that doesn't clear me, the scum clearly want me dead. Zeks said: Although kita is pretty much our best way to win...even if he was SK. Even the scum mason admits I'm the town's best way to win. He also brings up this SK accusation. Seems like a common scum theme. Could you explain your reasoning for thinking fishball is town? You pass him up for discussion without giving a solid reason why. On January 17 2011 13:08 Fishball wrote: You are full of shit. So you're saying I'm not accusing you of Traitor, yet you ask: + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2011 12:05 kitaman27 wrote: Maybe if you keep calling me SK enough times, it might come true! I didn't list the possibility that I might not be vig because I know I am vig. I'll give you that. So am I the person you suspect to be traitor? Then you proceed to "prove" that you can't be the Traitor and the SK at the same time. Do you even make sense? Because I wasn't even talking about "who is the Traitor". I was talking about you. The only comment I had regarding your list, was to point out the fact that you were hiding "certain" possibilities, something that you shouldn't do if you want to make your post convincing. I even said + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2011 09:41 Fishball wrote: Exactly, I don't need you to change your mind. I'm not going to bother, how hard is it to understand? and earlier, + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote: Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. It that doesn't tell you I'm not fucking talking about the Traitor, then I give up. To me, this is a huge slip up. Wait, so do you think I'm the traitor? Based on this post it doesn't sound like it. On January 17 2011 12:19 Fishball wrote: When, did I accuse you of being the Traitor. WHEN? Show me. Even any subtle sign, I would like to see you quote me. A bit subjective here aren't we? Now I'm really inclined to see you flip. ##Vote kitaman27 So that probably means you think I'm scum. That means that you think the traitor is still in the top 8 and kenpachi, cube, or amber is the traitor? This isn't adding up. I have not slipped, you are getting desperate. Town: Do you see what is happening here? Fishball is trying to make you guys turn on your town aligned kp. They already tried to kill me at night. Don't fall for this nonsense. | ||
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On January 17 2011 13:44 Amber[LighT] wrote: Just because you were "protected' does not mean you were actually targeted, nor does it prove that mafia attempted to target you, if anything. I'm really suspicious of cubed AND kita right now. Cubed has put no effort into reading the thread or comprehending simple role concepts. It's so half-assed I can't make heads or tails of him and a bunch of the other players here. Both myself and cube received a pm stating that I was targeted by a hit. Like I said before, a SK wouldn't hit the vigilante since they want more people to die at night, which is why I concluded it was scum. I suppose if you think both cube and I are lying about then hit then your argument is true, but I don't see how that could be the most likely situation. | ||
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On January 17 2011 14:22 Fishball wrote: Ok, let Daddy guide you. Mommy tells me not to listen to Daddy since he left us to join the mafia. | ||
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On January 17 2011 22:42 deconduo wrote: I'd be interested in seeing the medic who saved Fishball come forward. By the way, who was your night one hit? | ||
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On January 18 2011 05:55 aidnai wrote: Hmm... Assuming Jimbo claims vet, then he's a decent alternate medic target for cubed. I'm kinda hoping he claims bullet proof though, that'd be way more fun. I'm starting to wonder if he is ever going to show up and explain himself. What a tease :p Could we get the last few votes on fish? The last thing we want is for one or two people to jump off him as time draws nearer or for a politician to pop out of the blue. | ||
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On January 18 2011 06:43 aidnai wrote: Yeah, I'm really hoping to hear from eiii and jimbo soon here... Overall I'm disturbed by the lack of noise today. Kita, what do you think of beneather? should we have dedonduo hit him tonight? Here is a sum of beneather's posts: -He supports LSB's plan, then attacks LSB for choosing godfather -Votes for LSB after he is dead -Supports a day one pardon -Abstains day two -Finally agrees to vote fishball when there are 7 other votes on him He hasn't contributed much, but possibly one of the lurker scums. Deconduo hitting a bulletproof would help confirm him as a SK so its an option, unless beneather decides to become more active. | ||
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On January 18 2011 07:17 Beneather wrote: Pressuring me to be more active I see. So now you guys are choosing that we should hit me because I am bullet proof and to see if Deconduo is actually a SK. I wouldn't really mind dieing since I am only a BP to suck up some Mafia shots. How does a day-one claimed BP suck up mafia shots? On January 18 2011 07:17 Beneather wrote: It really looks like you just want to kill anyone that isn't contributing I understand that but how is that playing the objective. We need more townies so we have a lot more chances of killing scum. Thoughts on Pigsquirrel and/or HaploPaithan? | ||
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On January 18 2011 10:27 aidnai wrote: hmm... Well, either Deconduo is red and has no KP, or he is SK and has KP that he may or may not use for our purposes. Deconduo, I'm not going to lie, I will be pushing for your lynch tomorrow. Since you claimed SK, this is inevitable, however, if you are SK it is up to you to decide which faction (scum/town) you will assist with your final night kill. I'd be willing to make a deal with deconduo. If you hit a scum, then the town will be willing to extend your lifespan. A miss or town hit would mean we probably would have to lynch you. On January 18 2011 10:27 aidnai wrote: Amber, I hope you're a little bit relieved about your conspiracy theories now at least. Do you know who you'll be roleblocking tonight? Apparently you can't roleblock pigsquirrel again, so may I suggest beneather? If you are inclined to believe that deconduo is in fact SK and will use his kill against us, you could also RB him tonight. I would suggest targeting one of the lurkers to see if it impacts the possible cpr doc kp. I don't think you can role block a SK kp. On January 18 2011 10:31 Ace wrote: Fishball, Scum Traitor has been lynched Looks like he was indeed recruited. Either deconduo was lying about his hit or there is a mafia medic or joat somewhere. I'm open to suggestions for the night kp. Haven't made my mind up on the target yet. Cube, you should probably RNG between me, Amber and maybe one other protown person. | ||
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1 deconduo copycat 2 Kenpachi godfather 3 kitaman27 vig 4 Barundar bullet bill 5 Jackal58 vanilla 6 Fishball traitor 7 Amber[Light] role blocker 8 CubEdIn medic 9 LayOffRage vanilla 10 bumatlarge role cop 11 HaploPaithan (parity cop?) 12 Eiii vanilla 13 BloodyC0bbler vanilla 14 zeks mason 15 Misder vanilla 16 aidnai witch 17 JimboSilvers (vet?) 18 GGQ day vig 19 Beneather bulletproof 20 Pigsquirrel ??? 21 Divinek hider 22 LSB vanilla @Haplo Since the mafia now knows whether or not you are the parity cop, you should claim your results @Pigsquirrel, with the pro-town roles all already out in the open, I would like to hear what your role is. Please do not ignore my request, as I am strongly considering hitting you if you do so. @Jimbo, are you sure you didn't die from that hit because it sure seems like it :/ | ||
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On January 18 2011 17:27 aidnai wrote: I'm OK with the targets, but I don't like the fact that kitaman is likely to die. Kita, what do you think? As wary as I have been of BC this game, this plan makes sense to me. I think cube would serve better as a medic than a roleblocker. I asked that he consider including me in his RNG medic save so if the mafia want to hit me, then they have to risk their kp not going through again. @dec, most people are accusing you of not being a SK. Do you have any response? It seems likely that people will be pushing for your lynch tomorrow. For you to be spared, you will probably have to show that you can be useful to the town. Do you have a scum target in mind? @bum, haven't heard from you since the lynch. Your name is coming up a lot for the night hit, have anything to say? @Jimbo....Do you ever intend to explain your situation with the previous night hit? You came in with a vague post on Saturday and now it is Tuesday and we are still waiting. | ||
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Hehe opps, its on this page >.< Must have missed it. | ||
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On January 19 2011 11:01 aidnai wrote: good morning everyone? I hope so. Sorry BC, you were my target again. | ||
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On January 19 2011 11:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ........ Well, if he did target me, Good game town, You are pretty much fucked for being so retarded. Mafia gg, your strategy of being idle might win again. Looks like you live another day <3 | ||
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On January 19 2011 11:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You guys, are fucking stupid. Unless amber blocks pig we lose. That is of course provided pig is red, if hes not, whatever, if he is, double night = town loses a shit ton of players. gj. you both are terrible. I rarely give these out, but double heart for you! <3 <3 | ||
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I will be not hitting deconduo tonight. If you want to prevent hit overlap, I suggest he be your target. | ||
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On January 20 2011 08:45 aidnai wrote: Bravo! Bravo!Kita, I <3 you no matter who you hit. This game is wonderful I'm sorry I'm delirious right now from sleep deprivation (watched GSL last night). ##Shoot aidnai I guess its time I come clean. The reason I never got my shot off was because I chose Politician, not vigilante. Spare me mafia? ^_^ | ||
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On January 20 2011 09:55 Beneather wrote: Sure thing, but why would kita say that both BC and bumatlarge are both town he could've confessed with just saying that hes scum and the confusion why would he want to take away confusion is that what Mafia want to do to the town? I still think BC or bumatlarge may be mafia. It's really suspicious why kita would just blurt out that. hmmmmmmmmm? It was an elaborate ruse to draw you into posting. Success! How come I claim scum and bum gets the credit for trolling the thread | ||
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On January 20 2011 10:17 bumatlarge wrote: Ok kitaman, I understandaman. You won't hit BC, because he says mean things, and I do not. He says "If you want to be a hero, shoot bum, if you want to be stupid fail ever, you shoot me" That is slightly unfair. BC is taking advantage of my flawless morality. I cannot call you stupid kitaman. When I pop town, I will only say "You did what you thought was right" That is ok, but you have to be wary if you are the SK! The mafia will do everything to lynch you, so you have to claim to town and lynch and kill scum. Town at this point will gladly accept, as they will look at this post and say "This is what Bum wanted" Would you do that for me kita? Looking over the numbers, I think I have control. Yes, I'm SK. I still haven't decided which faction I would rather see win. But its probably not BC's side. | ||
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On January 20 2011 10:46 Beneather wrote: So now there are sides? BC and Bum? But who is scum and who is town and who is on who's team? meh I can't claim to know one way or the other. Since I was going to get hit tonight, the mafia would 100% know who the SK was anyways since the hit wouldn't go through. Plus, another one of you guys might end up dead if the hit isn't on me. I figured if I claimed before hand, at least the town might spare me in tomorrow's lynch. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I lied. I sent in my hit. + Show Spoiler + Both of them actually. + Show Spoiler + BOW TO YOUR COMPULSIVE VIGILANTE SERIAL KILLER OVERLORD + Show Spoiler + That show Dexter was actually based on me. + Show Spoiler + Or at least I assumed so, I'm too busy killing people to get around to watching it. + Show Spoiler + lol jk, I hit BC. + Show Spoiler + Or did I? + Show Spoiler + Bah its tough to format this with all these spoiler tags. + Show Spoiler + Fine, I went with the guaranteed hit in Pigsquirrel. With some luck, the SK will also have decided to go after a scum. On January 19 2011 12:20 Incognito wrote: This game shows that people need to stop relying on blue roles to win games for them. Time to quote a post out of context! Sorry guys, I can't let you all take credit for my 100% vig hit rate. I leave the task of finding the cpr doc to the town. At least tonight's hits will give you further information in making the correct decision. Unless I already hit them, then sweet. You may now resume bowing down to me. Things to consider: 1) Fishball was recruited. Unless I can't count (which is quite possible), then a night hit or cpr hit was not used to recruit him. Sounds like a good target for our trustworthy parity cop. 2) Do not allow yourself to be bullied. Going around insulting peoples intelligence should not be used as a tool, regardless of alignment. Make the correct decision, not the one you are pressured into making. 3) Take a look at the fishball/deconduo day two mis-lynch. 4) Do not decide to go inactive during the final 48 hours. Be around to make the informed decision. Good luck town and I look forward to reading conclusion to bum's role cop adventure. | ||
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Sorry BC for the hits. I assure you they weren't things I took just a few seconds to think about, but I still guessed wrong in the end. For a town controlled kp, there was little to no control. If I had been scum, I was pretty free to pick off the person of my choosing (like that annoying townie BC!) The first time I was really thrown off by the day two mislynch. I had a pretty strong belief that fishball was the traitor, while you were arguing for a no lynch and keeping him around for the extra day. I suppose I shouldn't have looked past those who were conveniently absent. I decided to write up a post, rather than hitting you out of the blue, since I knew you said you would be around to post about bum, but you showed up for neither of them. The second hit was probably an even poorer decision on my part. Its tough to trust a plan, when the person who presented it was the guy you tried to hit last night. It appeared you had an agenda (which turned out to be a good one) to see bum dead from day 2. You were pretty certain that he was a cpr doctor, but I didn't think the role cop claim would make sense. For him to lie about Eiii would mean that Eiii was either also part of the scum team, which didn't seem likely at that point, or he took a guess that Eiii actually followed the plan. Opps. So deconduo, was alcohol really the result of that bizarre day one copycat claim? :p | ||
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