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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
January 13 2011 22:49 GMT
#901
Day 2 Votes
With 17 alive, it is 9 to lynch!

deconduo (5)
HaploPaithan
JimboSilvers
Misder
bumatlarge
deconduo


amber[light] (1)
aidnai

CubeDin (2)
BloodyC0bbler
CubeDin

Not Voting (9) - Kenpachi, Eiii, kitaman27, Pigsquirrel, zeks, Fishball, LSB, Beneather, Amber[LighT]


Day 2 ends at 9PM ET/11:00 KST in ~27 hours on Friday January 14th

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
HaploPaithan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States100 Posts
January 13 2011 22:50 GMT
#902
On January 14 2011 06:48 aidnai wrote:
Anyone else think BC is scum? I'd rather have deconduo use his shot on BC than cubed, to be honest. I really think cubed is a doctor, and most likely town since I can't think of why a scum/sk would want that role.

BC on the other hand was awfully quiet for like three days, and now he jumps in to spam FOS's everywhere (so far kenpachi, cubed, and now LSB).


Cubed is giving me some pretty bad vibes. But I have to agree with you about BC. I'm quite suspicious of him.

All in all a bunch of shit happened today. I'm still trying to work it all out.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 13 2011 22:55 GMT
#903
Here's why I think BC is scum.

1)
On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
##vote layoffrage

Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.


By BC's own logic, we are left with a damn good chance that either BC or fishball is red, and BC has given more reasons why he's a better lynch.

2) disappears for 48 hours. As an experienced player, you're always a night kill target. If you're gonna have any effect on the game as a townie, you better get it done before the day 2 post comes up. BC had like 15 posts total before today.

If you're scum though, sure, lay low as long as there's already chaos and the lynch targets are all townies (yesterday, the lynch targets were RoL and Jackal, both green).

3) resurfaces with FOS's on Kenpachi, Cubed, and LSB. It looks to me like BC is just throwing out enough accusations to see what sticks so town will be occupied with deciding to lynch either a town GF, a likely town doctor, or our town leader. Although I will readily admit that ken picking godfather is weird, and it's possible he saved JOAT for a scum further down the draft. And cubed I was suspicious of before today, but less so after his claim.

4) He picked godfather?! this role is much more useful to scum than town (because of alignment checks), so um, why pick it over something like doctor? if you are thinking you won't live long, why not hider or bulletproof or vet? or a one time use like witch? or if you want to deny scum a role, how about prince of darkness or janitor, which are both pretty dangerous for town?

However, I think as a mafia, GF is a great choice for BC. BC should be a prime target for an alignment check, since he's an experienced player AND hard to read, so GF for him could save the scum team a lot of headaches...

Speaking of alignment checks,

On January 10 2011 10:17 Eiii wrote:
I'll be taking alignment cop.


What did you find out last night?
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 13 2011 23:08 GMT
#904
I don't understand. Do we want to win this game? Deconduo has claimed SK... I'd think town after not killing any scum or sk, would jump on this chance. Alright, let's assume we can control him, we are dealing with a ridiculous amount of kp (5hits 1kp from scum, probably no CPR, hopefully joat going rogue and that leaves 3SKs and then a vig that we have no info about yet) I do not relish the kill list after this lynch. So you'd think town, given a free sk, would say "oh thank goodness, alright let's talk about night plan." Am I wrong in that thought process? He promised to do as you say? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And about LSB and BC. Either they are scum or SKs. There is still a traitor, but that isn't even an issue right now. If deconduo really wants my vote off him, he will dayvig either LSB or BC. Then maybe I'll consider not lynching you today.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 13 2011 23:15 GMT
#905
##unvote deconduo

You've got 2 hours to dayvig them. Or you can play the game and day vig me. And then I'll watch town try to lynch ace directly after.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 13 2011 23:20 GMT
#906
Bum, we are definitely going to take care of Deconduo, but we should at least use his day vig hit today. My advice is hit BC, not LSB. In any case, we should try to get a strong town consensus on how to use the day vig hit, since it's essentially a double lynch for us.

Everyone chime in please on who deconduo should hit today.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
January 13 2011 23:31 GMT
#907
I'm comfortable taking out BC. I have feared he was playing rather shady this game, and he probably should have died night 1, at least if I were mafia (or even SK) I would have targeted him first.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
January 13 2011 23:57 GMT
#908
On January 14 2011 05:59 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2011 05:35 Eiii wrote:
...now that I think about it, the only explanation I can think of for him passing on CPR doc for CC-- as SK OR mafia-- would be if he was mafia and wanted a teammate a couple picks down to get it instead of him. I'm having a really hard time justifying why, as SK, he would take CC instead of more KP.

Deconduo claims he was drunk, and since he is Irish I believe him.


'I was drunk and accidentally made a horrible decision' isn't something we should let fly :/
:3
Pigsquirrel
Profile Joined August 2009
United States615 Posts
January 14 2011 00:18 GMT
#909

Everyone chime in please on who deconduo should hit today.

I'd rather have LSB out of this game along with all the information he has been fishing. I never really viewed BC as very scummy, but LSB has just given me bad vibes all along, not to mention pushing that massively scum-favored plan as hard as he did.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 14 2011 00:22 GMT
#910
On January 14 2011 09:18 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Show nested quote +

Everyone chime in please on who deconduo should hit today.

I'd rather have LSB out of this game along with all the information he has been fishing. I never really viewed BC as very scummy, but LSB has just given me bad vibes all along, not to mention pushing that massively scum-favored plan as hard as he did.

Why is the plan scum-favored?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 14 2011 00:24 GMT
#911
On January 14 2011 08:57 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2011 05:59 LSB wrote:
On January 14 2011 05:35 Eiii wrote:
...now that I think about it, the only explanation I can think of for him passing on CPR doc for CC-- as SK OR mafia-- would be if he was mafia and wanted a teammate a couple picks down to get it instead of him. I'm having a really hard time justifying why, as SK, he would take CC instead of more KP.

Deconduo claims he was drunk, and since he is Irish I believe him.


'I was drunk and accidentally made a horrible decision' isn't something we should let fly :/

Yes but he's also the SK, and its fun watching the mafia squirm trying to figure out how they can get him lynched.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 14 2011 00:31 GMT
#912
##vote abstain
eh.. BC wagon isnt going to happen today so no lynch for me.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 14 2011 00:35 GMT
#913
@aidnai, Alignment cop doesn't exist. It was replaced by Parity Cop which doesn't give a night one result

@Amber, I feel you haven't really addressed your role blocking ability. Could you confirm that you selected it and tell us who you blocked night one?

@Cube, If you are the medic then why did you claim? Also, who did you protect night one?

@Deconduo, I agree that your day vig ability should be used today, rather than waiting. Its in your best interest to target a scum. If you want my opinion, I would say Kenpachi since we are probably missing a joat.

@BC, Could you explain how you intended to play as a town godfather or was it selected solely as an honesty check?

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 14 2011 00:41 GMT
#914
ken, we don't need a wagon, we're talking about who deconduo can use his day vig shot on. Do you think BC is a good target for a vig hit? that's the question.

and eiii, do you have an opinion of who we should shoot today? and are you going to tell us the results of your check?

Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
January 14 2011 00:49 GMT
#915
At home right now. Just took some time to reread the past 5 pages to straighten my mind.


On January 14 2011 06:48 aidnai wrote:
Anyone else think BC is scum? I'd rather have deconduo use his shot on BC than cubed, to be honest. I really think cubed is a doctor, and most likely town since I can't think of why a scum/sk would want that role.

BC on the other hand was awfully quiet for like three days, and now he jumps in to spam FOS's everywhere (so far kenpachi, cubed, and now LSB).



If you've read my posts, you would have known I've brought up BC numerous times, literally since the beginning if that counts. As much as I'm keeping an eye on him, I do agree with some of the stuff he has said today and follows the logic.

Regarding LSB, this is my comment I had towards his plan early in the game.
On January 07 2011 14:59 Fishball wrote:
Our alignment PM's have already been sent by Ace. So if you are still pushing for the plan, you are one or more of the following:
- You are Mafia, wanting to fish information.
- You are aiming for the Traitor role, feeding Mafia information to help your side to win.
- You are butt-hurt after multiple players told you this wasn't a good plan, and your ego refuses to let yourself back down.
- You are simply naive.


To be honest, I think LSB is just butt-fook stubborn and naive, and honestly believes his plan would work if done "right". Regardless of the workability of his plan, it requires the vast majority of players to follow it. This is not a single player game where you can just control everything and tell everyone what to do. It just doesn't work that way. There are SK(s), there are players that want to be Traitor, there are Mafia. That's already good chunk of the player pool with different agendas.

Anyways, to summarize what I'm trying to say, is that BC has been on my list since the beginning, and still is. However, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as I do agree with a lot of the stuff he has said about LSB. It moreso caught my eye when BC pointed out how LSB did not follow his own plan.
靈魂交響曲
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
January 14 2011 01:04 GMT
#916
I claimed because people were looking for traitor. I just picked the role in LSBs plan.
Then I realized it's crappy.

I wanted to 'protect' aidnai but I figured if he's telling the truth then:
a) i could roleblock him and that would blow
b) i could die

So I then went on looking for others. My next thought was LSB and post something like "if i belly-up tonight, then LSB is prolly red". But I didn't wanna die so fast.

So in the end I decided to cower my way out and protect nobody.
But now I'm fine either way.

I suggest that I:
a) Protect LSB/BC/etc, see if I die
b) Protect deconduo in hope of roleblock (in case he's anti-town, we'll see what pops up)
c) Protect someone of my choice, let you know 30 mins before daytime, see what happens.

Problem is, daytime is about 5am my time, so that last one is crappy for my real life.


Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
January 14 2011 01:06 GMT
#917
On January 14 2011 10:04 CubEdIn wrote:
I claimed because people were looking for traitor. I just picked the role in LSBs plan.
Then I realized it's crappy.

I wanted to 'protect' aidnai but I figured if he's telling the truth then:
a) i could roleblock him and that would blow
b) i could die

So I then went on looking for others. My next thought was LSB and post something like "if i belly-up tonight, then LSB is prolly red". But I didn't wanna die so fast.

So in the end I decided to cower my way out and protect nobody.
But now I'm fine either way.

I suggest that I:
a) Protect LSB/BC/etc, see if I die
b) Protect deconduo in hope of roleblock (in case he's anti-town, we'll see what pops up)
c) Protect someone of my choice, let you know 30 mins before daytime, see what happens.

Problem is, daytime is about 5am my time, so that last one is crappy for my real life.




Out of curiosity what would happen if you protected the SK? Would you know what should have happened?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
January 14 2011 01:07 GMT
#918
On January 14 2011 09:35 kitaman27 wrote:
@aidnai, Alignment cop doesn't exist. It was replaced by Parity Cop which doesn't give a night one result

@Amber, I feel you haven't really addressed your role blocking ability. Could you confirm that you selected it and tell us who you blocked night one?

@Cube, If you are the medic then why did you claim? Also, who did you protect night one?

@Deconduo, I agree that your day vig ability should be used today, rather than waiting. Its in your best interest to target a scum. If you want my opinion, I would say Kenpachi since we are probably missing a joat.

@BC, Could you explain how you intended to play as a town godfather or was it selected solely as an honesty check?



I've actually never confirmed or denied that I took Role Blocker. LSB was the one who said I was confirmed.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
January 14 2011 01:09 GMT
#919
*correction I actually claimed overnight that I should be protected to avoid allowing the CC to take my role, so I technically did roleclaim, my bad.

I blocked who I was supposed to block for that night: Kenpachi
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 14 2011 01:18 GMT
#920
On January 14 2011 10:04 CubEdIn wrote:
I claimed because people were looking for traitor. I just picked the role in LSBs plan.
Then I realized it's crappy.

I wanted to 'protect' aidnai but I figured if he's telling the truth then:
a) i could roleblock him and that would blow
b) i could die


On January 11 2011 18:45 CubEdIn wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts:

1. First I thought aidnai is scummy. Mostly because he's been extremely passive with his posts. Not taking any sides, not pushing anything, just trying to favor other people's ideas so as to not actually draw attention when the shit hits the fan.

2. Then I saw the analysis on LoL, and I figured, ok, that looks like a decent plan for town, high chance of it going well, might clarify some things, seems like a good day 1 vote.

3. Then aidnai starts defending him out of the blue.
This changes everything.
My gut feeling says that LoL is in fact townie, and aidnai knows this, and since he already has a mini-bandwagon going for him, aidnai thinks it's a good idea to defend him, so when he gets lynched and turns green, he will be absolved of guilt.

I'm just thinking all this because it's more or less exactly what I'd do if I was scum and targeted so brutally on day 1.

I know it's not good enough evidence, but I need to go with it for now.
If town will need one extra vote to lynch LoL, I might change it, but for now...
##Vote aidnai


On January 12 2011 05:21 CubEdIn wrote:
As for the lynch, I still see no good reason to change to LoR. Aidnai seems just as good a target so far, and if we lynch a townie at least we're not killing a very promising one.


That doesn't seem very consistent. Why would you want to protect aidnai when he was one of your biggest scum suspects. Its almost as if you brought him up to give you an excuse not to role block him. Either way, a medic who chooses not to save is really suspicious.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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