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aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 06:46 GMT
#526
You just quoted the post where fishball himself explains why it makes no sense whatsoever for him to be the traitor. I agree with him, it makes no sense. And I said nothing about fishball being SK or mafia. Though I will say fishballs are a delicious addition to any hot pot style meal.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 06:51 GMT
#529
And I have a simple answer. I've played with him before.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 07:12 GMT
#531
you're very clever jimbo. Surely you can think of some explanation where I'm still telling the truth despite your excellent sleuthing? And no, I'm not giving you any hints or talking about this any further.

I wonder if you would have tunneled on me if I hadn't told you not to. It's like when the Oracle told Neo not to worry about the vase, and then he turned and broke it...

I'm sorry everyone, I know I should be more useful, but I just f'd up team mini mafia so comically I seriously can't be useful right now. I'll try again tomorrow. Read TMM3 for shits and giggles if you have time for some lols.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 18:52 GMT
#557
On January 12 2011 02:54 HaploPaithan wrote:
Since layoffrage and Aidnai are our two most likely targets, why don't we lynch layoffrage and then have deconduo kill off aidnai tonight. We really need to start discussing who to use CPR on tonight. Since we seem to want to kill both these players this seems to be the best solution.


Since we can't decide if any of these people are scum, let's kill them all! that way we can race towards lylo even more quickly than normal! brilliant plan.

Kitaman: jimbo already found the important fact. LayOffRage's only previous game was in smurf mafia. I'm sorry to him for bringing this fact out in the open, but seriously, that much info is not hard to come by. And yes, I know who it is from playing with him in a previous game.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 19:32 GMT
#563
We have a couple lurkers so far.

I've never played with you zeks and don't know your style, but it's time to start posting more.
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 07 2011 10:08 zeks wrote:
last time we had a plan and we still had 2 people pick traitor within the top 6 if i remember correctly


On January 09 2011 07:01 zeks wrote:
I randomed as well.

As town we're all just as effective with or without powerful roles - its just a matter of how you use it. Besides after the draft results come out we'll still have time to figure out a better plan if need be.

I actually like the PYP2 plan with the percentages and what not, just so theres not a clear cut drafting order for scum/SKs to easily exploit. I know as SK last PYP I really contemplated what to pick from that plan and it made it tougher for me.


On January 09 2011 12:36 zeks wrote:
I was [3][1].


On January 10 2011 08:58 zeks wrote:
According to LSB's plan I'm supposed to take Tracker - and for many reasons others have listed I'm not going to follow it fully.

As a cover my ass tactic I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch.


On January 10 2011 12:50 zeks wrote:
Finger of suspicion like Fishball said


On January 11 2011 09:35 zeks wrote:
We should be using CPR as an extra town lynch. Infact the CPR should be working with town goals and not randomly hitting people every night - so even if decon is infact scum we can still control his power or risk himself getting lynched.


On January 11 2011 13:06 zeks wrote:
##abstain

incase i somehow dont get to vote tomorrow

day 1 pardon = no



And you Jackal58, I thought you were an obvious green read in MafiaXXXV despite posting infrequently, but I haven't got the same read from you here yet. Please help us out and pick up the pace a bit.
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 07 2011 12:03 Jackal58 wrote:
Thanks man. All that would load for me this afternoon was the banner.
And role confirmed.

On January 09 2011 22:37 Jackal58 wrote:
[6] [9]

i shall attempt to stick to LSBs plan but I'm still not sure how this all works yet.

On January 10 2011 23:40 Jackal58 wrote:
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On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote:
If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim

In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim.

I suspect it was due to Ace re-posting the draft order.

On January 11 2011 06:13 Jackal58 wrote:
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On January 11 2011 05:10 HaploPaithan wrote:
Yes, I think we should know what he picked before we make a decision.

I don't think we're going to find out anytime soon unless we lynch him.

On January 11 2011 19:21 Jackal58 wrote:
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On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote:
Jackal58 should be the copycat.

But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched.

1 of the 4 above me is the copy cat. I'm just green.

On January 11 2011 19:27 Jackal58 wrote:



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On January 11 2011 16:24 Barundar wrote:
I’m not convinced on aidnai. In HPmafia he posted one liners, discussed setup in thread etc., and it was easy to direct the day 1 lynch on to him. This post is from when he was actually scum and was being pressured in ExMiMa: + Show Spoiler +
On December 01 2010 14:53 aidnai wrote:
So, I see several things going on at once in the thread. There is the Coag/Fishball/Orgo thing going on, then there's the Ghrur/Deconduo thing, and of course who could forget the RoL/aidnai thing. (I still maintain that debating the role clues/hints is mostly a waste of time).

Here's the thing, mafia would love to just sit back and let town destroy itself. So it's a safe bet that some of these conflicts are townie vs. townie. But the fact that the debate is continually being shifted from one thing to the next says to me that mafia are active in the thread, trying to shift attention around. So probably there's at least one mafia vs. townie battle going on. Now my thoughts:

RoL vs. aidnai. RoL's case against me was pretty weak, ESPECIALLY compared to the way he was acting about it. I've thought about this for a while and come to the following conclusion: RoL is probably a vet type role, or perhaps a mad hatter. I believe his game plan was something like, pick the first scumtell you see, pressure the shit out of whoever it was that 'slipped'. Two options from here: 1) you found mafia -> congrats, you may get a lynch, you may force mafia to behave a certain way in the thread, etc. 2) you found town -> in this case the plan is to draw a mafia hit. Mafia would certainly be tempted to hit RoL to frame me and cause confusion in the town (while eliminating a strong player, perhaps the only one here with a game plan)...of course, RoL would either survive the hit (foiling the plan) or maybe blow up some mafia. I think he may have also chosen me to pick on because i'm new--the thinking being that if I was actually mafia, he'd be able to scare me into making a real slip-up. I think his brazen, fearless stlye of posting definitely points to a vet/bulletproof/hatter type role, where he would want to take a hit.

Verdict: townie vs. townie.

Ghrur vs. Deconduo. I have looked at the posting from both, and in my opinion we're looking at two townies again. Both deconduo and ghrur looked suspicious right off the bat, as each would be eager to point out. But, that is more than understandable, given the wacky game setup plus everyone is a blue so that right there is gonna make people act a little weird. What is more important, however, is that they both responded pretty well to pressure, gave good arguments, posted without guilt or fear etc. Imo you two should bury the hatchet.

Verdict: townie vs. townie.

That leaves coag/fishball/orgo. I feel like I'm missing half of what's going on with this one, but here's what I see. Coag votes fishball later explaining his reasoning as "I really feel that if doch would make anyone on the signup list mafia it would be 100% fishball". Fishball responds pretty oddly (voting himself, then unvoting and voting RoL), and orgolove jumps all over him. Now this was obviously a simple pressure vote, but look at the way fishball reacted:
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On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
On November 30 2010 12:49 orgolove wrote:
Hmm. Fishball really didn't respond like a blue at all to coagulation's advances. And considering coagulation's typical behavior, he doesn't seem like a red. -_- though I'm all for removing clutter, it'd be great if we take out a red in day 1.

##Vote Fishball


Hell, the game just started.

What exactly do you want me to do? And what do you mean "I didn't respond like a blue at all"? There is a specific way on how a blue responds? Well I surely didn't know that!

For an immediate Day 1 lynch, I could really care less who wants to vote for who. But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives, especially in such a small game like this.

As for why I voted for RoL; Well, I feel like it. If I were a Day Vig, I would have used my kill on him right now. Why? Because I feel like it... So if you follow your senses and vote for me, I won't have a problem with that at all.


Now, this seems scummy to me for several reasons. 1) overreaction much? 2) advises looking at inactives, votes for a strong mafia player/veteran (at that point inactive) and then never changes his vote despite RoL becoming active and being a likely blue. 3) shows no regard for town interests.
And in fact, fishball has done absolutely nothing for town, even though he's been active yesterday and today. Here's the rest of his posts to date:
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On December 01 2010 04:53 Fishball wrote:
Huh? Coag is still on the list.

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On December 01 2010 04:59 Fishball wrote:
Nevermind, I missed your first post above.


Keep in mind these posts (from page 8) are boldly ignoring orgolove's accusations--a common mafia tactic (ignore it until it goes away). I know fishball is capable of doing more for town than this. Maybe he's acting extra strange because of his role, but I can't believe there's a town role that keeps you from contributing anything at all.

on that note:
##vote fishball

P.S. aeres, barundar, ~opz~, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, will you please remove your votes from me? only thing worse than getting killed night one for me would be getting lynched day one. -_-


I like Fishball’s suggestion of a policy lynch on LayOffRage, but we could also use the pardoner for a 0 lynch, and let mafia decide the CopyCat role. The reasons for this plan is:

First, we know where the CopyCat role is, since Jackal58 said he would follow LSB’s plan. When mafia pick off one of our power roles, he should receive it, and they will have to waste a hit on him night 2 as well. If Jackal58 is still alive on day 3, we can lynch his ass (or he can put the role to use).

Second, if Jackal58 is lying about picking CopyCat, we found our traitor. We might have lost an important power role to the real copy cat, but we got one red down. It’s a loss of a role for a red, which is in my opinion a decent trade, as long as deconduo and kitaman are medic protected.

It would be nice to hear from Jackal58 if he can actually confirm he got the CopyCat role.


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On January 10 2011 23:40 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote:
If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim

In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim.

I suspect it was due to Ace re-posting the draft order.


I probably should have made this clearer. I did not get copy cat. That is the role I picked per LSBs list but I am just vanilla green. 1 of the 4 above me on the draft list is copy cat.

On January 11 2011 22:53 Jackal58 wrote:
## Vote Kenpachi



The worst offender so far: GGQ. Joined the game the 8th, has <6 total posts!? And all of them content free, of course.
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 08 2011 11:02 GGQ wrote:
/confirm

I'm not going to pretend I have the experience or mafia skill to judge any plan. If there's one being used, I'll follow it. It does seem to me that a plan is better than no plan by a large margin, though.

On January 09 2011 11:40 GGQ wrote:
I picked [5][3].

Low spot ftl.

On January 10 2011 12:53 GGQ wrote:
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On January 10 2011 12:48 HaploPaithan wrote:
Sorry, what does FoS stand for?


As Fishball said, it's a 'finger of suspicion'. It's a mafia term that you use to point out someone that you think is suspicious when you don't have the evidence to call him mafia for certain.

On January 11 2011 05:02 GGQ wrote:
deconduo, you said that there was a mistake and that you did, in fact, get the role you asked for. You said before the draft that you were going to pick CPR doc. Can you confirm that this is now your role, or did you random for your pick like your earlier plan? We want to keep track of CPR doc.

On January 11 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote:
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On January 11 2011 12:56 kitaman27 wrote:
On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote:
Jackal58 should be the copycat.

But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched.


At the same time, if the copycat is scum, then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice. Either way, would like hear more from Jackal.

##Vote LayOffRage

Maybe this might motivate him join the discussion.


Mafia only gets the role of their choice if they can predict what everyone chose, which may be difficult considering how many people said they weren't going to follow a role picking plan.

I want to hear LayOffRage's reason for calling Fishball the traitor. Was it supposed to be a joke, or do you have some secret reasoning?



We need to hear more from these people to be able to get a good read. I also am having a hard time reading haplopaithan, even though he's posted roughly twice as much as the above.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 19:35 GMT
#564
On January 12 2011 04:20 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2011 03:52 aidnai wrote:
On January 12 2011 02:54 HaploPaithan wrote:
Since layoffrage and Aidnai are our two most likely targets, why don't we lynch layoffrage and then have deconduo kill off aidnai tonight. We really need to start discussing who to use CPR on tonight. Since we seem to want to kill both these players this seems to be the best solution.


Since we can't decide if any of these people are scum, let's kill them all! that way we can race towards lylo even more quickly than normal! brilliant plan.

Kitaman: jimbo already found the important fact. LayOffRage's only previous game was in smurf mafia. I'm sorry to him for bringing this fact out in the open, but seriously, that much info is not hard to come by. And yes, I know who it is from playing with him in a previous game.


Huh? It's not like it's a huge secret LayOffRage is RoL.


Meh, I thought it was pretty obvious myself, but if he wanted to sign up as a smurf, I figured it'd be pretty lame of me to tell everyone (I guess a lot of people didn't know).
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 19:43 GMT
#567
OMG Jimbo, bloodyc0bbler says LoR is experienced, but he only played one game! something doesn't smell right!

Fishball, the three I just posted about have <10 posts a piece. I happen to know that LoR has spent a lot of time on mafia the past few days, between team mini mafia, merc mini mafia, and this, 48 posts is pretty damn good imo.

Also, bloodyc0bbler is absolutely correct that you three are the most experienced in this game, and therefore for balance purposes are likely to not all have the same alignment. However, killing any of you for that reason alone is idiotic. It may make sense to BC because he "know's he's town", but for the rest of us it makes no sense at all.

If we were to kill you and you flipped town, then what? do we kill LoR and BC as well until he hit a red? now we have no more experienced players in the game? wonderful...
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 19:45 GMT
#568
lol you must have been joking because you have 39 posts and BC has like 17
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 19:47 GMT
#569
Ok sorry I finally understand what you meant fishball. You were pointing out that BC called LoR an experienced player. I been smoking that stuff I got from beneather...
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 20:12 GMT
#581
sure thing LSB, i was thinking about roleclaiming anyway.
I'm the witch, as assigned. If I am not lynched today, I will be able to stop a mafia night kill 100%. Of course, if I am lynched the copy cat will get this role instead. If we do follow LSB's plan for all of our other roles, I'll know which night kills are expected and which one is mafia.

^^eiii, yeah a lot of activity, but most of it was just me spamming.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 20:28 GMT
#587
About jimbo, his plan may have been worse, it may not have been. I honestly couldn't tell (didn't have time to figure it out and it's moot now). But the way he attacked me looks to me like townie who is taking himself too seriously. Even though I'm sure mafia want me lynched, they don't have motivation to be the name you remember afterwards when I flip green. They'll be the ones that sheep along with the crowd, not the ones screaming and raging. So no, I wouldn't support a jimbo lynch.

I'm thinking over your plan LSB. Once again, we're talking about finding and exposing every single power role town has. In a normal game this is horrible, why is it good now?

One last thought (trying to keep my thoughts together so I'm not always quadruple posting), we can actually use the cpr doc as a doctor on the night that I use my ability. This would be a way to confirm several of our blues while killing a lot less people.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 23:03 GMT
#605
I would rather kill kenpachi than jackal58 to find out which one is lying.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 23:54 GMT
#617
about your night plan LSB, barundar's verification is subject to being checked by a role cop, fishball's is subject to having a tracker play along with us. Zeks already said he's not going with your plan, so there's a good chance we don't have a tracker. Eiii did agree to pick rolecop, but he hasn't mentioned if he got it or if he'll check barundar. If we don't get these checks, that leaves a lot of wiggle room for scum.

Also
On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote:
If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim

In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim.


22. LSB God Father

You the godfather LSB?

aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 12 2011 00:31 GMT
#644
We're running out of time to do this, but I would like to present a lynch target based on believing they are scum, rather than based on wanting information.

My proposed lynch is Amber[light]. Here is my case.

The original post from Amber that caught my attention:

On January 09 2011 05:36 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Just noting I did pick a random number, and everyone should do the same. Though I don't believe the role selection process (post-draft) should be unveiled to the entire town.

More importantly: Play the role you get. If you pout because you got townie and don't participate I will personally make your mafia-playing life a living hell and accuse you EVERY game in the future just because I like to be frustrating. It's actually more important for the town to fool the mafia and pick roles to limit their KP per night. Of course we cant discuss how this should go about because there are more roles in this game than players, so it would be too easy. The goal of this process should be to make the mafia as vanilla as possible, not to ensure every player gets a role they want.

GL in the draft...

This struck me as a possible scum post because of the tone and nature of the advice. Others may agree/disagree, and I can't explain it fully, so I'll just let you look and decide yourself. However, the other two posts below are much better evidence.

On January 10 2011 22:32 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I think looking into the draft numbers might be a lost cause. Don't forget that it would be in the best interest of the mafia to follow the plan. This ensures that they receive a role. I wouldn't be surprised if the more unique combination (higher ups) are mafia, but to be honest that's good player strategy to achieve a unique combination that throws them up to the top. People who have double are _less_ likely to be mafia, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't put down the same numbers to alleviate some suspicion.


The draft process was too transparent, so infiltration by the mafia is highly likely.

In this post, Amber is spouting a mix of nonsense and obvious truth.
The nonsense:
-Don't forget that it would be in the best interest of the mafia to follow the plan. This ensures that they receive a role.
Actually, if town follows the plan, then mafia are free to cherry pick any roles that are further down the list than their own and still be assured of a role.
-The draft process was too transparent, so infiltration by the mafia is highly likely.
Transparent? Infiltration? wtf are you talking about, people picked numbers and pmed them to Ace.

Obvious:
- but to be honest that's good player strategy to achieve a unique combination that throws them up to the top. Duh.
- People who have double are _less_ likely to be mafia, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't put down the same numbers to alleviate some suspicion. Duh, and this doesn't actually say anything one way or another.

I honestly don't see any reason for posting something like this other than
1) avoiding modkill AND
2) wanting to not look scummy


On January 11 2011 22:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I think you should use your ability as a NK vs a saver ability. Think about the chances of you saving someone vs killing someone. Your ability has better usage for town KP when we want to snipe mafia members, or to ensure their death.

I don't think LoR should be lynched. It's obvious who should be lynched, as we don't have any conclusive evidence of their role choice or the choice of another players: Kenpachi & Barundar

He (Kenpachi) is playing scummy and defensive, which isn't all of a shock from his normal play. Chances are he probably is the copy cat. We have to weigh the possibilities that he's actually is the copy cat. Do we want him to have that power activated? I think since we've wasted time cornering the possible copy cat allowing him to obtain a usage for his role would be wasteful as he's going to be a sure-fire target for night 1, granted we accidentally list a power role today. Do we also want that power role in the hands of a mafia member?

Mostly another potent mix of nonsense and obvious stuff, so I bolded everything else in this post.
How did Amber already seem to pick out that kenpachi is probably CC? Seems pretty smart, especially compared to the rest of the post (suggesting CPR doc to kill people instead of save, you seriously think we needed you to tell us?)

Also highly troubling here is the fact that in the prior post, Amber says mafia should follow the plan for their own good, but in this post he says kenpachi and barundar are the obvious lynch targets because they can't prove they followed the plan!

If you don't believe your current lynch target is scum, don't lynch them and consider amber please.

##Vote Amber[light]
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 12 2011 00:37 GMT
#647
ken you're mixing up role assignment and drafting. Amber was talking about mafia infiltrating the draft, not the roles.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 12 2011 00:44 GMT
#650
This isn't really the most important part of the analysis, but he clearly says
I think looking into the draft numbers might be a lost cause

and wraps up with
The draft process was too transparent, so infiltration by the mafia is highly likely

He is most definitely saying that the draft process was infiltrated, which as I pointed out is just him spouting nonsense for no other reason than to post something and try not to look scummy.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 12 2011 01:20 GMT
#655
We don't have "a few decent candidates". We have information lynches on people that no one seems to think are actually scum.

Kenpachi always looks scummy and responds poorly to pressure. Easy, bad lynch.
LOR's lynch is going to tell us that the traitor is in the top eight.
I don't think I'm a top candidate anymore, but again that's because of 'information'.

You want my analysis to be tossed aside, even though you haven't read it and "won't bother reading it."
Do you realize how bad this makes you look?
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 12 2011 04:18 GMT
#685
hmm... is it worse to miss a lynch, or mislynch? I'll consider switching my vote even though i'm not sure about RoL' alignment...
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 12 2011 04:19 GMT
#686
oh that makes it easy
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 12 2011 04:51 GMT
#699
On January 12 2011 10:20 aidnai wrote:
We don't have "a few decent candidates". We have information lynches on people that no one seems to think are actually scum.

Kenpachi always looks scummy and responds poorly to pressure. Easy, bad lynch.
LOR's lynch is going to tell us that the traitor is in the top eight.
I don't think I'm a top candidate anymore, but again that's because of 'information'.

...


So we do have a traitor in the top eight, and we have one less possibly-red experienced player, so BC and fishball by their own reasoning are automatically more suspicious now (lol).

Can we talk about amber now?
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