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TheMango
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 time to check on the junior team post history and see if I can temp ban someone | ||
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On January 05 2011 23:02 orgolove wrote: I mean, what made you vote for Beneather? I think it was the whole 'vote for the inactives' strategy that LSB brought up, since there wasn't much else to go by. (aka the same strategy we are currently using to poor effect in the other mafia game). I would have voted along with my team mate Gmarshal, but I was busy yesterday and missed the vote t.t. Not sure how different it is, but in the games I play in real life, if we dont have a clear suspect, we usually pass on voting, since in the beginning of the game the chances of voting off a town sided role is much higher. So my question is, is voting off the inactives early a more viable strategy in this type of game, or is the strategy flawed? | ||
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Well, I've heard some advocate silence during night, but I think that's a terrible Idea, so let's get talking. Inactives: (No, i don't support lynching another one, but It's something to look at.) It seems to me that Meapak_Ziphh has been very inactive. I think that his team would be worth a DT check if we have one. Ace has been posting a bit, but haven't seen meapak post here for a while (but he seemed fairly active on IRC in the other mafia game - he just got lynched as a townie yesterday) | ||
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On January 06 2011 05:31 LSB wrote: Umm... What do you mean by this? Are you saying that we shouldn't try to generate activity during the night? Are you implying that other people have advocated this position? Please follow the whole thread, as I'm obviously quoting kavdragon who initially said that. I'm saying that at the very least people should be careful about suggesting things to our blues when mafia could easily use it against us (especially if they have a roleblocker). | ||
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On January 06 2011 05:32 LSB wrote: Can't we scumhunt, or discuss the greenness/redness of Ace's team. Speaking of which, what is your opinion of Ace? I have no opinion of Ace, but I'm suspicious of Meapak who was active on IRC even after he was incorrectly lynched in the other game, but has not posted for a while in this thread. | ||
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On January 06 2011 05:44 LSB wrote: Besides my push against Ace. (Ace you still have to answer my questions!) I don't believe that there is anything substantial in the three points. Obviously Kavdragon is town aligned. Nemesis has about 2-3 posts talking about lynching inactives. Although this does indeed seem like lurking, Nemesis isn't the only one doing this, and I'm also intrested in Aidnai's FOS Orgolove- The thing with Orgolove is that Day 1 he literally only had one post, and after the lynch accused others of making an uninformed lynch. On the other hand, from what I glanced at his play in Mafia XXXV (Note, I don't know his alignment), it seems very similar. Just pointing out, its an obvious thing to say if you were a mafia team also, as you are senior on kavdragon's team :p | ||
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On January 06 2011 05:49 LSB wrote: Mango, I wondering whether you were suggesting that the town maintain complete silence or just silence on the blue issue For Example Aidnai wishes for complete silence (Assuming his post isn't sarcastic) I don't see a reason why we cant have a general discussion and still put pressure on people/scum hunt. However, I think we should be very careful on giving any kind of specific direction or advice to our blues without first knowing the setup. | ||
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On January 06 2011 15:31 kingjames01 wrote: Forgive me if I don't believe you. If you were roleblocked, why would you even admit to that? The Roleblocker wouldn't know that he had successfully found a Blue. You could have just stayed quiet and used your power tonight. My opinion is that you're actually Mafia and you're worried that you might get lynched today. I've pointed out that you've been suspicious and now you're panicking. Shouldn't a roleblocked person always out themselves? What is there to gain by keeping quiet? Since subversion has not roleclaimed, mafia should still have no new information, while it possibly helps town. | ||
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Don't believe Subversion's sub-version of the truth. lol cute | ||
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On January 06 2011 21:20 orgolove wrote: kingjames' post sounds like a kneejerk reaction due to the potentially losing the bandwagon. -_- And I'm surprised people hasn't picked up on the scumminess of aidnai's suggestion that the town shouldn't discuss anything during the night. First he says it's sad that there's such lack of activity, then he encourages town to stay inactive? Discussion is the only weapon for townies with no information. Whether it is done during the night or during the day doesn't make any difference - this just looks like a subtle effort by a red to sabotage the town's efforts. Does seem like an overreaction by kingjames based on faulty information about being roleblocked. I think we should at the very least wait for subversion to respond and analyze that post. Not sure about aidnai, since I agree with some of his points. Some discussion, such as what blues should do, should not be talked about at night, since that could help mafia. I'm more worried about Ace (who has yet to respond to accusations/pressure from people) and his teammate Meapak (who has been MIA in mafia, when I have seen him active on IRC). I feel as if people have forgotten about this team which was previously brought up as a possible scum/lynch target. | ||
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@aidnai: as for flamwheel/orgolove, I don't agree with your analysis aidnai. Orgolove's activity has been spotty in the other game I'm in as well, and I don't see any major deviations in posting (I also do not get a scum feel from him in that game either) If I had to vote now, it would be between kingjames/aidnai (kingjames for his over the top response in trying to get subversion lynched, which was based off faulty data - aidnai for pushing for 0 discussion during night) and subversion/incognito (for obvious reasons, could be lying about being roleblocked). I'd like to hear from incognito if possible, since he's been largely MIA this game. | ||
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As stated in my previous post, I am pretty sure orgolove/flamewheel is not scum, so I'm voting for Kingjames/aidinai. Me and GMarshall are of differing opinions this time it seems. I have not been able to talk to Foolishness yet, but hopefully he will show up before the vote deadline is over. What happens if the votes are tied? | ||
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Incognito/Subversion (fake roleblock claim?) or Chaoser/Nemesis (fake DT claim?) are mafia. which leaves one more mafia among: KingJames01/Aidnai or Meapak_Ziphh/Ace. There is no 100% auto lynch candidate for me as of now, so I'm going to do some more indepth analysis later today before voting. I will say this though, the DT claim now from Nemesis to point out subversion as mafia seems a lot more convenient/suspicious, than a fake roleblock claim from Subversion that early into the game. I dont think I can pick between KJ/aidnai or meapak/ace and be sure at this point, so I'll probably focus on picking from the 'fake claim' pairs. | ||
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voting now in case it comes down to a tie, but this is not a 100% confirmed vote for me, I may switch before the day is up. | ||
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On January 10 2011 05:55 Ace wrote: Mango take your vote off of Nemesis. It's majority lynch and you could end up costing us the game. If you think you may switch later take your vote off now. If you aren't sure DONT VOTE. what? I dont understand, as long as I switch before day is over, should I change my mind, its still safe right? | ||
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On January 10 2011 06:04 Ace wrote: I can't vote remember? So if you are claiming you were responsible for Orgo's lynch, and appeared on another innocent lynch wagon then why should I believe you? I just quoted a post of yours where you said you don't really think myself or LSB are scum but don't exactly trust us. You say Nemesis is fishy but you didn't vote for him. That's wishy washy. If you believe you are the most outstanding figure in this game and we haven't caught any mafia then yea, I think it's safe to say I don't mind lynching you. If you can present a scenario where Subversion is telling the truth about being role blocked and Nemesis must be a fake DT then show it. @Mango: If your vote is there and someone else comes in and quickvotes then it's an instant lynch. Moderators, can you please confirm? I thought votes didn't count until day was over? Ace's explanation doesn't make sense to me... | ||
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basically it comes down to this for me: Nemesis/Chaos & Meapak/Ace are mafia team, or it's aidnai/KJ & Subversion/Incognito are mafia team. Although I was suspicious of aidnai, the last couple posts had me leaning towards him being town, and Nemesis DT claim is more suspicious to me than Subversion roleblocked claim. I think Subversion is more likely just a really inactive townie, while Nemesis claim of DT seems like a desperate measure to win the game. I'm currently writing up an analysis of why I think Nenemsis/Chaos & Meapak/Ace are mafia, might take me 15 mins or so. | ||
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Set Up: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective (Not likely, that means, 2 of the 5 teams are blue, and we haven't had a save yet, nor do we have people claiming themselves at this critical day period) 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 7 Town (The most likely scenario if Subversion roleblock claim is correct, and Nemsis is fake claiming DT) 2 Mafia Goon, 1 Medic, 6 Town. (Not likely at all, since then both Subversion AND Nemesis are lying, which makes zero sense) 2 Mafia Goon, 1 Detective, 6 Town. (The most likely scenario if Subversion is lying and Nemesis is actually DT) Here is my 'read' on Subversion. He just doesn't care and is super inactive. The role block claim was legit. I think a fake roleblock claim by an inactive mafia makes so sense, and him being inactive actually reinforces my opinion that he is in fact green. Everything points to someone that just doesn't care enough to be active (btw mods, I think he should at least get a warning for this game at least, because his inactivity is borderline modkill level.) I'll post a more detailed post on Nemesis after I eat dinner, but looking at both team pairs as a whole, I have to go with the nemesis/chaose & meapak/ace over kj/aidnai & subversion/incog. Basically it comes down to the latter team feeling way more green than the first team pair. | ||
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On January 11 2011 08:31 Nemesis wrote: Hmm...it's been over half an hour, nice analysis. I got interrupted couple times IRL, don't you worry, analysis on you is incoming. | ||
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On January 11 2011 08:36 aidnai wrote: remember Mango, once you switch your vote it's final, because of the tie situation. So don't do it until you're absolutely certain. Just saying. yea, I dont want to get vote sniped either, but I'm pretty certain that Nemesis/Chaoser & meapak/Ace are mafia team, pending some explanations from Subversion/Incog (they better show up) | ||
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Vote: TheMango/Gmarshal/Foolishness (Day 1 vote) - retracted ##Vote: Team 9 Flamewheel/Orgolove (Day 1 vote) - townie ##Vote Team 6 Kingjames01/Aidnai (Day 2 vote) - townie ##Vote Team 7 Subversion/Incognito (Day 3 vote) - based on DT claim checks small game/small sample size, could have easily just made wrong votes as a townie, I think some of us may have similar records, so not really too suspicious by itself... Day 1 Votes - Votes on the 'inactives', which to be fair, both me and Gmarshall were inactive for most of Day 1, then he switches to another town team. Day 2 Votes - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175638¤tpage=16#316 says Subversion is NOT scummy, then votes KJ/aidnai, and then 'CHECKS' subversion??? Day 3 - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175638¤tpage=16#316 and read the post right below. Looks like mafia team work to me imo. I've had my suspicions about Meapak/Ace as well, due to Meapak's suspicious inactivity around the time he got killed in the Mafia game (he was active on the IRC channel even after his death, but was inactive in this game for at least a day or so). But other than that, my case on them is pretty weak. My main suspicion is on Nemesis, and by association, I'm saying Meapak/Ace has to be mafia for obvious reasons. It looks like the swing vote rests with KJ/aidnai. I do not want to make a mistake and lose the game at this point, so I hope Subversion/Incog shows up ASAP and says something. Also, it would help if KJ spoke up, being the senior on that team. | ||
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 Personally I really like the smaller games. 30 person games is ridiculous to me, and its hard to wade through like 10pages a day worth of text a day and do meaningful analysis on everyone.Thx to my mafia teammates, even though you guys all went semi afk on me at the very end, lol. A win is a win amirite? I especially like the multiple role possibility setup, as it gives mafia some room to maneuver. Overall, great game setup. Only negative point is that activity could have been better from some people. | ||
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On January 12 2011 06:21 LSB wrote: I get killed way to early... hahaha, too vocal, had to get rid of you asap! :D | ||
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