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Alas I can't vote. Oh well. | ||
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You even blamed me for killing discussion when let's face it - it was dead before I posted and dead after. You are really trying to push for something that didn't happen. So I should just go your route and come to the conclusion that you must be Scum because your analysis is terrible. 2. To kill someone who plays poorly You're suggesting that we should just kill someone who you know won't help the town win. Firstly, why is this different from killing an inactive? Which you so easily dismissed Secondly, what does killing someone because of meta considerations have to do with scum hunting? Yes, kill people who we know are terrible. What's the problem? It's different from killing an inactive because one of them is bad and won't help you win no matter what, the other is in active. You didn't really need me to explain that did you? Meta considerations come into play here because YOU want to kill in actives. Correct? So if orgolove says he's busy but doesn't have a history of being in active then hey - he really might be busy. Don't kill him just yet. | ||
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Unfortunately bad/inexperienced players tend to have a biased habit of looking at posts and trying to force things that are said to be Scummy when that isn't what is going on. | ||
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My partner has a pretty good read on this team so I'm going with this vote. When he comes back you can ask him to explain it for you. | ||
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LSB/Kavdragon Beneather/Bloody_C0bbler Meapak_Ziphh/Ace Flamewheel/Orgolove Chezinu/Deconduo Currently we're in LYLO and 2 of these 4 teams are Scum: TheMango/Gmarshal/Foolishness KingJames01/Aidnai Incognito/Subversion Chaoser/Nemesis One thing I'm going to assume is that we do not have a Detective. I find it very hard to believe that at this point a Detective is still alive and still has no idea who is Scum. If anything they would have role claimed by now and told us who is confirmed innocent via DT check. We're in one of these 2 setups: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 7 Town 2 Mafia Goon, 1 Medic, 6 Town. Now let's get to the heart of the matter. On January 06 2011 14:39 Subversion wrote: Morning everyone. Since mafia already knows, I've been roleblocked My partner already had suspicions on Subversion before but this might be the icing on the cake. For this claim to be true, there has to be no medic in the game. If you are a medic you have to roleclaim right now. If no one role claims medic then we can decide on leaving Subversion alone for now since his claim is pretty much impossible to figure out. There could be a medic hiding but at this point that would be bad Town play. So let's just assume for now that Subversion is telling the truth. That leaves 2 of these 3 teams as Scum: TheMango/Gmarshal/Foolishness KingJames01/Aidnai Chaoser/Nemesis As of now I'm going to say that KingJames01/Aidnai should be our top priority to lynch. Mainly because of this post right after subversion claimed: On January 06 2011 15:31 kingjames01 wrote: Forgive me if I don't believe you. If you were roleblocked, why would you even admit to that? The Roleblocker wouldn't know that he had successfully found a Blue. You could have just stayed quiet and used your power tonight. My opinion is that you're actually Mafia and you're worried that you might get lynched today. I've pointed out that you've been suspicious and now you're panicking. Scum would definitely like to keep the town in the dark about which setup we are in. If they have a roleblocker then they automatically know 2 of the 4 setups - we don't. But the kicker here is that bold part. If you are so sure why didn't you push for his lynch? Where is you vote? Secondly the Day 1 vote: Team 3: Beneather/BloodyC0bbler - 3.5 Gmarshal (.5) Deconduo Aidnai Subversion The Day 2 vote: Team 9: Flamewheel/Orgolove - 3.5 Aidnai Meapak_Ziphh GMarshal deconduo Aidnai was on the lynch wagon for 2 confirmed innocents. Sure you could say you did it to save yourself but based on your post right after the lynch went down: On January 08 2011 13:04 aidnai wrote: FML You seemed to be a little upset here that a Towny died. Even though you had to save yourself in this instance so why would you be upset?  I'm going to say a genuine townie reaction would have been something a long the lines of "shit, we had 2 innocent wagons going this entire time!". So really this comes down to a claim. If there is no claim we have no choice but to look past Subversion for now. The only thing that imo delays aidnai/KJ's case is that GMarshal was also on both wagons. Which might actually point out that both teams are Scum. So for now, now that I know I can actually vote: ## vote Team 6 | ||
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Deonduo is dead and I already mentioned Gmarshal. KJ may be inactive or whatever but he still didn't vote or try to convince anyone to vote for Subversion. If he's so sure of it then why wouldn't he vote? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7488394 Specifically this: think Nemesis' vote was fishy to say the least, and even though I don't trust LSB or Ace per se, I don't think they are scum either. I mean really. You don't even have a solid stance + the fact you appeared on both innocent wagons. I mean seriously how many times do I have to look back at your posts and see "I have a really bad feeling". You haven't exactly been committed to anything this game.But for now we'll ignore you. I think we have to roll with Nemesis here. 1.) No one else has been reportedly role blocked 2.) If Nemesis is faking a DT claim that's a sick play because of this: On January 07 2011 08:13 Nemesis wrote: I don't really see how that will be helpful to town. Right now I am suspicious of subversion and aidnai. I will make an analysis on them later and decide my vote. As for subversion's claim of being roleblocked, there is a possibility that he is lying, but he could also be telling the truth so it is a bit WIFOM. My senior chaoser is rather inactive, and only pms me once in a while.  Nemesis did say he was suspicious of Subversion. If he's a real Detective then his Night Check would make sense since it follows up with him claiming he's suspect of Subversion right here. So with this in mind and no other role block claims I think it's best we lynch Subversion. | ||
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So if you are claiming you were responsible for Orgo's lynch, and appeared on another innocent lynch wagon then why should I believe you? I just quoted a post of yours where you said you don't really think myself or LSB are scum but don't exactly trust us. You say Nemesis is fishy but you didn't vote for him. That's wishy washy. If you believe you are the most outstanding figure in this game and we haven't caught any mafia then yea, I think it's safe to say I don't mind lynching you. If you can present a scenario where Subversion is telling the truth about being role blocked and Nemesis must be a fake DT then show it. @Mango: If your vote is there and someone else comes in and quickvotes then it's an instant lynch. | ||
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Also if you wanted to prevent the beneather lynch because he was inactive then why didn't orgolove get the same treatment? Like I said before. If you can make a case for Subversion telling the truth about the roleblock and Nemesis lying about his DT claim I'm all ears. | ||
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2 Mafia Goon, 1 Detective, 6 Town. If he is telling the truth AND Subversion is also then this exists: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective However no one has claimed medic and no one has counter-claimed DT. Subversion isn't here defending himself either. Why would you believe him over Nemesis? Don't you think it's something that no one else has been role blocked? Otherwise you must be making the claim that Mafia figured out the setup a day ago and wanted to claim DT in advance or weren't afraid of a counter-claim. This also means they purposely wouldn't roleblock anyone again. | ||
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Regardless Subversion nor Incognito are not here defending themselves. I'll believe Nemesis over an absent player. | ||
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Also for future reference of why I believed Subversion had to be Scum: On January 10 2011 07:34 Ace wrote: I'll believe Nemesis over an absent player. Why would you side with someone that isn't even defending himself? On January 10 2011 11:52 Ace wrote: Sometimes it's just better to think of a simple answer. You have no idea what the Mafia know and don't know their motives. Hence it's just a simple decision on who is more believable here. Stop WIFOMing yourself. This was a really simple decision but you got caught up in stuff that really made no sense. Trying to find out who is the other Scum before getting on with the current lynch was a bad idea. | ||
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