EPTOn January 06 2011 15:42 annul wrote:
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annul, you actually won Experimental Mini Mafia as a Red. Why don't you count that one?
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
annul, you actually won Experimental Mini Mafia as a Red. Why don't you count that one? | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On January 06 2011 15:46 TheMango wrote: Shouldn't a roleblocked person always out themselves? What is there to gain by keeping quiet? Since subversion has not roleclaimed, mafia should still have no new information, while it possibly helps town. Well, let's consider what you're saying. If he is telling the truth, then what has the Town learned by Subversion revealing that he's been Roleblocked? It let's us know that the set-up is: 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective. It also let's the Mafia know that Subversion is a Blue. That makes him a target for tonight. Now consider if Subversion is Red and is lying. A good reason for him to lie about being roleblocked is if there is no Roleblocker in the game. That would mean that the set-up is one of: 2 Mafia Goon, 1 Medic, 6 Town 2 Mafia Goon, 1 Detective, 6 Town He can safely lie about being roleblocked since there is 1 Blue out there. If the true Blue reveals himself, then he's a target for tonight. Subversion will dodge the lynch especially if he gets support from his Mafia buddies. Too bad I can't vote or I'd register my vote now. Don't believe Subversion's sub-version of the truth. | ||
TheMango
United States1967 Posts
Don't believe Subversion's sub-version of the truth. lol cute | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On January 06 2011 16:05 TheMango wrote: I see, so you only get the mesg that you've been roleblocked if you are actually a blue? What happens if you're a green? lol cute As far as I understand it, you only get told that you've been roleblocked if your action doesn't go through. Greens don't have abilities so they can't be blocked. If Subversion was telling the truth, then he can only be a Medic or a DT. If he was a Medic, then it only matters if he was trying to save LSB/Kavdragon. If he was a DT, then he didn't get his check. Anyway, I don't believe him so it doesn't matter. He's doing this to dodge the lynch. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 06 2011 15:47 kingjames01 wrote: annul, you actually won Experimental Mini Mafia as a Red. Why don't you count that one? i dont count minis - they are a side game to me | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On January 06 2011 16:49 annul wrote: i dont count minis - they are a side game to me ah, okay! That's what I figured you were doing. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On January 06 2011 16:15 kingjames01 wrote: As far as I understand it, you only get told that you've been roleblocked if your action doesn't go through. Greens don't have abilities so they can't be blocked. If Subversion was telling the truth, then he can only be a Medic or a DT. If he was a Medic, then it only matters if he was trying to save LSB/Kavdragon. If he was a DT, then he didn't get his check. Anyway, I don't believe him so it doesn't matter. He's doing this to dodge the lynch. Actually I'm wondering if you've read the rules kingjames01. They clearly state: Mafia Roleblocker Each night you may send in a hit and roleblock one target. A role blocked target is informed that they were role blocked whether they are green or blue. You may role block the same person on consecutive nights. And it can't be a redact. The time of your post is 16:00, and the last edit is at 12:00. So regardless of whether or not Subversion is telling the truth, that line of reason is faulty. On January 06 2011 06:52 aidnai wrote: I mean we townies can't act on it. Except blues, but I'm all for leaving the blues to act on their own. Giving out information during night 1 really hurt town in experimental mini mafia (I was scum that game). We had a medic claim, another blue claim, I forget what else, but me and my scumbuddies were laughing it up in our IRC as town shot themselves in one foot then the other. KJ might remember better. The gist of my thought is: any info you give out at night can be used against town, and can't be used by town until morning. So wait until morning. Take this time to go over the thread with your partner or something. However if anyone really wants to go on being vocal and jolly go right ahead, it certainly will give me more to analyze. That experimental mini mafia game was not really so standard, given that there were an inordinate number of action roles. F11 setting is very refined, and remember that through the presence/absence of a roleblocker, Mafia already know that this is one of two settings. It would help if town could now do the same. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
And I'm surprised people hasn't picked up on the scumminess of aidnai's suggestion that the town shouldn't discuss anything during the night. First he says it's sad that there's such lack of activity, then he encourages town to stay inactive? Discussion is the only weapon for townies with no information. Whether it is done during the night or during the day doesn't make any difference - this just looks like a subtle effort by a red to sabotage the town's efforts. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
Roleblock claim is legit: We are in setup 1 or 2, incog/sub are town. Roleblock claim is fake: -Incog/Sub are mafia and didn't use roleblock (unlikely imo) -Incog/Sub are mafia and don't have roleblock (setup 3/4 guaranteed to have exactly 1 blue) It seems like a fairly risky thing to do considering the circumstances. Might be a good idea to hypocop right now. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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TheMango
United States1967 Posts
On January 06 2011 21:20 orgolove wrote: kingjames' post sounds like a kneejerk reaction due to the potentially losing the bandwagon. -_- And I'm surprised people hasn't picked up on the scumminess of aidnai's suggestion that the town shouldn't discuss anything during the night. First he says it's sad that there's such lack of activity, then he encourages town to stay inactive? Discussion is the only weapon for townies with no information. Whether it is done during the night or during the day doesn't make any difference - this just looks like a subtle effort by a red to sabotage the town's efforts. Does seem like an overreaction by kingjames based on faulty information about being roleblocked. I think we should at the very least wait for subversion to respond and analyze that post. Not sure about aidnai, since I agree with some of his points. Some discussion, such as what blues should do, should not be talked about at night, since that could help mafia. I'm more worried about Ace (who has yet to respond to accusations/pressure from people) and his teammate Meapak (who has been MIA in mafia, when I have seen him active on IRC). I feel as if people have forgotten about this team which was previously brought up as a possible scum/lynch target. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
Ok I actually agreee that subversion/incog could be lying mafia. Let's look at some posts. On January 04 2011 16:25 Subversion wrote: i dont really see what the point is of DTs checking inactives if its publicly announced. Surely then mafia will just make sure they're not inactive to avoid being detected? What is important about this qoute is the "Let's not check lurkers line" why is this important? Because Incog hasn't really posted at all. In fact this team has the least posts in the thread if I added right. But why should subversion be worried about dt checks if he has nothing to hide. He then jumps on the bandwagon BC/Beneather bandwagon at a nice safe point when several others had already done so and disowns his previous comment in one fell swoop. On January 05 2011 09:44 Subversion wrote: Oh okay, soz, that actually makes a lot of sense. Ugh this Day 1 vote is really just.. meh. Really not much to go on. For now I'm going with: ##Vote Beneather/BC My main reasoning here is that Beneather seems reluctant to say anything without BC being here to give him advice. Seems like a scummy junior would be scared of exposing himself without a senior to run his posts by. Also, BC yet to make an appearance. That's pretty much the whole post, except I also just said thanks to LSB for clarifying the check inactives plan, and why its good. So he doesn't think the day one lynch is a good one but he votes for the person who is currently ahead in the votes? If he didn't like it then he should have offered a better candidate or at least not gone with the status quo. Also notice that he wilts as soon as LSB applied the tinniest amount of pressure (all LSB did was explain why threarening to lynch inactives is good) but subversion feels compelled to appologise, that's a pretty common scum tell right there. No townie should be afraid of a dt check yet subversion opposes dt checking inactives when he is one. Also in such a small game it would probably be safer for the mafia to lurk. He claims to not like the day one vote but then goes and votes for the person currently ahead showing no interest in actually helping the town. Further more his whole I've been roleblocked /leave thread act set off alarm bells in my head and I agree with what KJ has been saying. I'm going to vote when I get home in about 12 hours to give subversion a chance to refute what I've said but if nothing changes my vote will be on this team. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Unfortunately bad/inexperienced players tend to have a biased habit of looking at posts and trying to force things that are said to be Scummy when that isn't what is going on. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On January 07 2011 06:49 chaoser wrote: I want to know why orgolove didn't vote the first day. I understand if this was a 30 person game and one person abstaining isn't THAT important but it's a 9 "person" game and one whole team not voting is HUGE. Right. Did you not read my post immediately afterwards? It was still in the middle of the season, and I was unable to log on before the deadline to place my vote. Since then I've tried as well as anyone to contribute and make sense of this discussion, from which there really wasn't any. Focusing on inactivity won't help the town, and I'm surprised you, of all people, are choosing to do that, especially without any response to deconduo's suggestion. @deconduo: what exactly do you mean by hypocop? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On January 06 2011 23:28 deconduo wrote: Everyone claims to be a cop and gives out a report, if/when the real cop dies town can then look at what the reports were. Its used in situations with a roleblocker or when theres no medic protection so that cop can't safely claim openly. The biggest disadvantage with it is that mafia can work out who the cop is quicker than normal by eliminating people who give wrong reports. He means that. I don't know what I think about the plan. I feel like it'll create more confusion than it's worth and there might not even be a cop so we're just implementing a plan that goes nowhere and ends up flooding the thread with fake "reports" and people can get away with easy lying | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On January 06 2011 23:28 deconduo wrote: Everyone claims to be a cop and gives out a report, if/when the real cop dies town can then look at what the reports were. Its used in situations with a roleblocker or when theres no medic protection so that cop can't safely claim openly. The biggest disadvantage with it is that mafia can work out who the cop is quicker than normal by eliminating people who give wrong reports. I don't really see how that will be helpful to town. Right now I am suspicious of subversion and aidnai. I will make an analysis on them later and decide my vote. As for subversion's claim of being roleblocked, there is a possibility that he is lying, but he could also be telling the truth so it is a bit WIFOM. My senior chaoser is rather inactive, and only pms me once in a while.  | ||
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Nemesis
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