EPTI had informed RoL that I was going on vacation from the 29th till today (jan 5th) and have had next to no access to the net aside from airports. I did not realize the game would start within that window I was gone, nor did I realize the first day was already done. Sorry for ruining the game for my partner, and goodluck the rest of you.
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
I had informed RoL that I was going on vacation from the 29th till today (jan 5th) and have had next to no access to the net aside from airports. I did not realize the game would start within that window I was gone, nor did I realize the first day was already done. Sorry for ruining the game for my partner, and goodluck the rest of you. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On January 06 2011 01:10 orgolove wrote: >>>> Vote for inactives strategy is... not beneficial at all for the town, to say the least. The reds can subtly direct to whoever they would know is not a red and yet inactive. :/ We as town have no information, and reds can use that to lynch a green. If we don't have any information, pressuring is fine.. but just hitting someone because they're inactive is not a good strategy at all. This is why I also like the mayor idea for the first day, as it gives a way for town to get useful info on day 1... It is beneficial in a number of ways: 1. It encourages activity. People don't want to be lynched, so they will (hopefully) start posting more. 2. It gets rid of inactive townies earlier on rather than later. Mafia have no incentive to kill an inactive townie, so they live until the end of the game if they aren't lynched. You then might need to pick a mafia out of a bunch of people with less that 3 posts each, not at all helpful to town. 3. If the mafia do push the lynch to a green rather than a mafia, we still get to look at the voting patterns and the posts. For example today, who voted for BC/Beneather over other inactives, and why? Were BC/Beneather the most inactive team? | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On January 05 2011 23:02 orgolove wrote: I apologize - my schedule is really off right now.  I promise I'll be here more often.Gmarshal (.5) Deconduo Aidnai Subversion Huh - wait a minute - town had nothing to go on. Why did you guys vote? Why didn't you vote? On January 06 2011 00:34 TheMango wrote: I think it was the whole 'vote for the inactives' strategy that LSB brought up, since there wasn't much else to go by. (aka the same strategy we are currently using to poor effect in the other mafia game). I would have voted along with my team mate Gmarshal, but I was busy yesterday and missed the vote t.t. Not sure how different it is, but in the games I play in real life, if we dont have a clear suspect, we usually pass on voting, since in the beginning of the game the chances of voting off a town sided role is much higher. So my question is, is voting off the inactives early a more viable strategy in this type of game, or is the strategy flawed? Well, remember, we can't abstain. So in reality, the vote was a vote of confidence for Ace. Since we only had one scum candidate, it was either vote for Ace because you think he's scum. Or don't vote for Ace and try to redirect the lynch. On January 06 2011 01:10 orgolove wrote: >>>> Vote for inactives strategy is... not beneficial at all for the town, to say the least. The reds can subtly direct to whoever they would know is not a red and yet inactive. :/ We as town have no information, and reds can use that to lynch a green. If we don't have any information, pressuring is fine.. but just hitting someone because they're inactive is not a good strategy at all. This is why I also like the mayor idea for the first day, as it gives a way for town to get useful info on day 1... Great Idea about pressuring someone. Have you been doing this? | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
I got a really bad feeling from Nemesis' vote on orgolove yesterday. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Things to discuss: Votes: It seems like the people who were on towards the end of the day were in favor of switching the lynch to someone other than Ben/BC, but there weren't enough people on to swing the vote. To those who claim to have been away: Would you have switched your vote? Ben was certainly not the most inactive player, and while he apologized a lot for being inactive towards the beginning, he was not at all inactive in the last few hours. Inactives: (No, i don't support lynching another one, but It's something to look at.) It seems to me that Meapak_Ziphh has been very inactive. I think that his team would be worth a DT check if we have one. Persons that have been FoS'd Kavdragon (By KJ. Would like to hear more on this) Nemesis (By Aidnai. Would like to hear a better reason than "I got bad feelings from him")\ Orgolove (By Kavdragon. Explination/analysis to come.) Direction for blue roles: Do we want to give suggestions to blues? If so what? I suggest the same thing that LSB was saying: DT's check inactives, Medics protect vocal players. Anyone else have opinions on this? | ||
TheMango
United States1967 Posts
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TheMango
United States1967 Posts
Well, I've heard some advocate silence during night, but I think that's a terrible Idea, so let's get talking. Inactives: (No, i don't support lynching another one, but It's something to look at.) It seems to me that Meapak_Ziphh has been very inactive. I think that his team would be worth a DT check if we have one. Ace has been posting a bit, but haven't seen meapak post here for a while (but he seemed fairly active on IRC in the other mafia game - he just got lynched as a townie yesterday) | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Look, This game is about finding reds and killing them. How do we do that? By looking at posts. We have to analyze what people are saying, and the only way that we can do that is if they have said something. We had the chance to extend the day, but enough voted against it that we had to make due with what little talk had occurred up to that point. So we are behind on the volume of discussion, and you are advocating that we don't talk? How is this a good idea? "We can't act on it yet" Yes, we can't lynch people yet, but that certainly doesn't mean that we can't analyze people and build up more material to analyze for tomorrow. Ver himself said that the town benefits immensely from longer days, and mafia from shorter days. Why wait to start tomorrow till the morning? Why not start the discussion right now? It makes no sense to me. Can anyone explain why "Nighttime is not towntime"? | ||
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TheMango
United States1967 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On January 06 2011 05:06 TheMango wrote: well, I think those advocating silence during the night Umm... What do you mean by this? Are you saying that we shouldn't try to generate activity during the night? Are you implying that other people have advocated this position? | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On January 06 2011 05:31 TheMango wrote: the only point of discussing during nighttime is to help our blues make their decisions, and without knowing the setup, you run a serious risk of helping scum team (on who they will kill/avoid killing due to possible medic save, and a possible wasted DT check due to roleblocker.) At least that's my take on it, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Can't we scumhunt, or discuss the greenness/redness of Ace's team. Speaking of which, what is your opinion of Ace? | ||
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TheMango
United States1967 Posts
On January 06 2011 05:31 LSB wrote: Umm... What do you mean by this? Are you saying that we shouldn't try to generate activity during the night? Are you implying that other people have advocated this position? Please follow the whole thread, as I'm obviously quoting kavdragon who initially said that. I'm saying that at the very least people should be careful about suggesting things to our blues when mafia could easily use it against us (especially if they have a roleblocker). | ||
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TheMango
United States1967 Posts
On January 06 2011 05:32 LSB wrote: Can't we scumhunt, or discuss the greenness/redness of Ace's team. Speaking of which, what is your opinion of Ace? I have no opinion of Ace, but I'm suspicious of Meapak who was active on IRC even after he was incorrectly lynched in the other game, but has not posted for a while in this thread. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On January 06 2011 05:31 TheMango wrote: the only point of discussing during nighttime is to help our blues make their decisions, and without knowing the setup, you run a serious risk of helping scum team (on who they will kill/avoid killing due to possible medic save, and a possible wasted DT check due to roleblocker.) At least that's my take on it, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Nighttime discussions can be about whatever we want them to be about. If you're afraid that talking about blues will put them at risk, then let's talk about something else. The point is that we HAVE to talk, or there will be nothing to analyze. I argue that if we start talking now, we essentially extend the day by 24 hrs, something that can only help the town. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On January 06 2011 05:01 Kavdragon wrote: Persons that have been FoS'd Kavdragon (By KJ. Would like to hear more on this) Nemesis (By Aidnai. Would like to hear a better reason than "I got bad feelings from him")\ Orgolove (By Kavdragon. Explination/analysis to come.) Besides my push against Ace. (Ace you still have to answer my questions!) I don't believe that there is anything substantial in the three points. Obviously Kavdragon is town aligned. Nemesis has about 2-3 posts talking about lynching inactives. Although this does indeed seem like lurking, Nemesis isn't the only one doing this, and I'm also intrested in Aidnai's FOS Orgolove- The thing with Orgolove is that Day 1 he literally only had one post, and after the lynch accused others of making an uninformed lynch. On the other hand, from what I glanced at his play in Mafia XXXV (Note, I don't know his alignment), it seems very similar. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On January 06 2011 05:37 TheMango wrote: Please follow the whole thread, as I'm obviously quoting kavdragon who initially said that. I'm saying that at the very least people should be careful about suggesting things to our blues when mafia could easily use it against us (especially if they have a roleblocker). I was referring to people in other games, and I think that LSB thought you were referring to people in this game. A misunderstanding, most likely. | ||
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TheMango
United States1967 Posts
On January 06 2011 05:44 LSB wrote: Besides my push against Ace. (Ace you still have to answer my questions!) I don't believe that there is anything substantial in the three points. Obviously Kavdragon is town aligned. Nemesis has about 2-3 posts talking about lynching inactives. Although this does indeed seem like lurking, Nemesis isn't the only one doing this, and I'm also intrested in Aidnai's FOS Orgolove- The thing with Orgolove is that Day 1 he literally only had one post, and after the lynch accused others of making an uninformed lynch. On the other hand, from what I glanced at his play in Mafia XXXV (Note, I don't know his alignment), it seems very similar. Just pointing out, its an obvious thing to say if you were a mafia team also, as you are senior on kavdragon's team :p | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
For Example On January 06 2011 05:15 aidnai wrote: yes, nighttime is not town time. No reason to generate discussion or information that we can't act on yet. Aidnai wishes for complete silence (Assuming his post isn't sarcastic) | ||
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