TL Mafia XXXIV: Pokemafia
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On December 10 2010 07:56 LSB wrote: Having a general system for how blues play is pretty important. We need to establish a good town environment where the most pro-town players won't find themselves dead. We need to establish a place where everyone is active. Sure, we could leave everything to RNG, but we could do so much more with the blues. I have to agree with this, having a general idea of how the town runs will help keep down the number of accidental lynchings. This is more or less pulled from one of the guides that DcH posted, but when you have a town that uses larger posts, filled with a lot of information, it makes it a lot easier to pick out those that want to give no new information and are simply regurgitating stuff that has already been said in the thread.If we start with a town that runs this way, it should carry through to the end of the game. The best way to keep a town that functions correctly functioning this way would be to keep the people that are running in a more administrative fashion (i guess i could say that) where they are trying to keep some semblance of order alive. I mean a town that runs all willy-nilly chaotic is a town that breeds scum, where a town that runs in a more ordered fashion has a higher chance of weeding out those that are trying to bring disorder to an already disorderly situation. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? It says that the mafia get 3kp, added to this mewtwo (although not part of the mafia, is still playing against the town) has 1kp. This means there can be 3 mafia targets, and 1 third party target a night. | ||
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On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote: There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? I'm newer at this as well, but have been reading a few mafia games, but i think some of the things people want in a pro-town environment are: - Longer, well thought out posts. This way ideas don't get lost. If you post a million tiny posts people can get bored, or will skip over having to read like 5 pages when everything could have just been put into a single longer post and people will have less to read. This way the town can see people who are posting small posts that try to bury information. - Long, well thought out accusations of scum. If you have posts that have like 8 quotes in them, people can better see a pattern in someones behavior. This can also help stop bandwagoning onto an innocent, as with a long post someone has a lot of information to refute, and you can also then point out scum who are using selective posts. This way it is easier to spot people who are trying to mislead the town. - Less peer-pressure, in a more pro-town environment there is less calling out of people, this can result in less blues being forced to reveal, which not only makes the town more vulnerable but also forces a chancey (in this case) to protect the blue for fear that they die. As well, this can reduce the amount of greens that need to reveal, that make them vulnerable due to them no longer being able to be lynch bait. I think those are more or less the major points of a more pro-town environment rather than an anti-town environment, if I missed anything just add to the list. | ||
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On December 10 2010 08:53 jcarlsoniv wrote: You mean like this post is doing? From your two posts, I've noticed you haven't really added too much at all. Your first post was almost exclusively regurgitating previous posts. Your second one you seemed to be trying to add more, saying you've read guides, and it appears that you are trying hard to look like the poster child of "how to be a townie". Everyone pretty much knows the environment that is conducive to town progress. It is very apparent when scum tries to disrupt things if they are going smoothly. We just have to catch them as they are doing it before things spiral out of control. Townies don't need to try to look like townies, because they already are. Two newer mafia players asked two questions, I was simply answering them. Its not like I was just throwing that info out there as if it was anything new. Eiii asked what a pro-town environment entitled, while Kenpachi asked how many attacks the mafia can make in a night. Both of which they could of found by reading what DrH posted, but I thought it would be nice to answer both questions... I guess if you would rather I could of simply just not answered their questions and left them guessing. | ||
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Also to actually contribute to the thread somewhat, I really don't like either of the bandwagons we have going. Infun hasn't really done anything, especially not to garner the wrath of 10% of the people playing this game. On the other hand Gab came off a little rough and confrontational, but I really don't think he came off that scummy... | ||
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People are like "its only 6 out of 31" but really, once a bandwagon gets running its hard to stop unless you slow it down early... I don't think any more votes on Gab right now will help the town, all it will do is seal Gab's fate... | ||
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Look at every mafia game here, or on any other site and it always starts with the "do we lynch inactives or not", why? Because it gets people talking, and unless people talk then we will never ever find scum. Activity is counter productive to the mafia, as that means they have to participate more, and that gives them more chances to slip up. LSB started on the convo, but now we have found a few people acting scummy, and as such we are no longer talking about lynching inactives, but weather to lynch people who've actually said something. Do we lynch Kenpachi for his posting habbits, Gab for his out burst, Infun for his previous actions, LSB for trying to be the head of the town, or you for just angrily, randomly, accusing people of being scum. This is where the game should be focused, but we needed a start... and lynching inactives is a start. | ||
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1) Gabe accuses Kenpachi 2) Kenpachi tries to defend himself poorly 3) Kenpachi votes for Gabe 4) Jcarl jumps in and defends Ken, while trying to put a case against Gabe 5) People bandwagon Gabe 6) People start to look else where for scum 7) Kenpachi jumps in and makes us look back at Gabe 8) Gabe tries to ignore Ken, and tries to act like the rest of us (Eii, Chaos, tube, etc...) 9) Jcarl comes back and tries to get us to focus back on Gabe Kenpachi and Jcarl, why you two working so closely together to try and get us to hang Gabe when a large part of the town is like "... Gabe really doesn't look that scummy..." On December 11 2010 16:58 Eiii wrote: ...gabes posts are so blatantly bad I'm actually starting to have a hard time believing they could possibly be authored by scum. o_O On December 11 2010 08:30 KtheZ wrote: I'm not sure if we should really take Gabriel's actions that greatly into consideration. Considering that he is a relatively veteran player, I don't think the bandwagon against him is of great value. If he was mafia, isnt it common sense for them to talk about a game plan and think things out before posting, rather than actively arguing with people? On December 11 2010 04:28 LSB wrote: The problem is now, why the bandwagon the bandwagon against Gabriel took place. (i'll look into it later, right now I'm hard pressed for time) On December 11 2010 04:15 Hesmyrr wrote: There is one possible reason why I am willing to give Gabriel null-read for now, but I am going to wait for him to come and explain himself first to see if his argument agrees with mine. On December 11 2010 03:15 seRapH wrote: Oh come on guys, 5 people voting for Gabriel out of nowhere? He hasn't really been very scummy imo. I'm keeping an eye on this bandwagon for scum, it's very likely that someone amongst these 5 are poison-type pokemon, maybe even multiple of them. - - - - - - - - - - - - On December 11 2010 02:44 jcarlsoniv wrote: I agree with you, which is why I'm not convinced he's scum. He is making wild accusations though that is disrupting everything, and even if he's town, removing that isn't necessarily a bad thing. However, if we can find scum, I definitely want that, obviously. I just want Gabriel to have an eye kept on him. ^^^ huh? Isn't that contradictory to the two huge posts you made against Gabe? "I don't think he's scum... but let's vote him and then see what happens!" | ||
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On December 12 2010 02:30 Kenpachi wrote: asdf. even when i post, i get pointed scum Its not THAT you post, its WHAT you post... the problem is that all of your posts are spam and none of them offer anything. I actually also prepared a case against you, but tree.hugger got there before me so I didn't think I should post everything you wrote again, but really: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 06:55 Kenpachi wrote: yes! got my pm and the games beginning~ Very excited over his role, that's not that unusual... On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote: oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: Until you see that he posts against 16 minutes later just to spam that he's in the game, wouldn't the post before hand of been enough? All this does is clutter up the thread with no additional content. Post could not have happened. On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote: Pikachu - Townie Raichu - Miller Chansey - Medic Cloyster - Veteran Alakazam - Detective Electrode - Mad Hatter Mew - Special Detective Gengar - God Father Koffing - Mafia Grunt Weezing - Mafia Shrink Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. Then he continues with the spam. Here he posts a list of the pokemon roles to normal mafia roles. This is something that looks helpful, but isn't helpful at all. Everyone would of red the starting post to see what the roles do, equating them with other words isn't helpful in the least, but it does SEEM helpful. As well, he also points out that the reds have little to fear from the town besides lynching as there are no vig killers. Why does he point that out? Re-leaved? On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote: yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. Again, more spam... seems like he is posting every 10 minutes or less, just to rack up posts. He says it doesn't work, but doesn't explain why. He is simply shooting down an idea without adding to the conversation. This kills information flow, something a red would like to do. If he was green/blue, he could of posted more to his opinion,why he thought that. Something with more meat "Claiming is a no no because there are so many mafia that any lies will take forever for the DT to check out, as well it will make our blues more susceptible as then the mafia will know who exactly to hit every-night." Even that is less suspicious than what Ken posted. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? His last post previous showed that he read the starting post, as he pulled the names and roles of the different jobs from the starting post, but then why does he feign ignorance? If you read what all the roles did, do you expect me to believe that he didn't scroll down a few lines to see how many KP the mafia got? If he would of just read the OP, instead of posting this it would of been less suspicious. But this seems like another thing scum do, play the "I'm new card" this is a subtle one, that just says "look at me asking this noob question, i must not know much" it is a defense as people are less likely to lynch a new player than an experienced one. On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote: basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think Here he is answering a question, without actually answering the question. He posts something that looks like an answer but offers no real insight at all. He doesn't explain what a pro-town environment is, he just simply states what it should look like and then moves on. It is just clutter, that can also just act as a way to confuse a newer player. Not to mention, Eiii might of been less likely to ask the question against later even though it wasn't really responded to simply to avoid looking foolish after kenpachi, a more experienced player, "answered" it. If he was town, he should of just ignored this, or went to one of the links DocH posted and just copie-pasted the analysis of a pro-town environment, both would of done more good. Including this to include all his posts, answering a question where he simply copies from the OP... again. (note this is not scummy behaviour, but i wanted to include all posts) Pure spam... adds nothing to the conversation. Would have been better to actually refute the claims instead of spam here. He could of looked like a green/blue, but instead he continues to post like a red, more spam and more dismissal of arguments without any sound logic. On December 10 2010 11:34 Kenpachi wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote: Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain A) your vote B) your deep posts? + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote: oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote: Pikachu - Townie Raichu - Miller Chansey - Medic Cloyster - Veteran Alakazam - Detective Electrode - Mad Hatter Mew - Special Detective Gengar - God Father Koffing - Mafia Grunt Weezing - Mafia Shrink Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote: yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote: basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think what would posting history 4 hours into the game show you? Posts two seconds later, more spam, and again... doesn't add anything. Doesn't refute the claim against him, does not try to argue against Gab at all, he simply just tries to dismiss any claim against him without even a logical argument. On December 10 2010 11:44 Kenpachi wrote: A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. Here, he doesn't even refute the arguments brought against him. A) Says 4 hours isn't enough time to judge activity, and then he says something that makes no sence B) He says posting = activity, but it doesn't... Kenpachi posts empty posts that make him look active without contributing... posting without content does not make you an active member of the comunity. C) He says he didn't read the rules here... even though he posted the roles as his 3rd post in the game. So he read the rules but didn't read the rules? D) Says lynching inactives doesn't work, but not why... E) K this one doesn't make sense... F) Ken voted Gab as soon as Gab voted Infini, even though Gab said he voted Infini for past actions... On December 10 2010 12:12 Kenpachi wrote: A) There isnt much to post in the beginning, due to low information and lack of suspicion. B) I am not what? I posted in the beginning to "look" active because i have a history of lurking. C) You are still assuming i read the rules. Did i read or skim it? Did i read it but pass the KP? I posted that in the thread for people who also didnt know to possibly take a burden off many people. D)Idk man. you found a bunch of posts in the beginning and call me inactive? Refer to B). Why am i posting to "look" active? E) "I think its 2." hey i only played 1 game with Double Lynch before. F) your logic is flawed. i can vote for anyone i want to and im defending Infundibulum by not voting for him. Why do you think youre gonna be the main bandwagon from 1 vote? A) Says there isn't much to post in the begining, but then why post at all? Ken has something like 1/4 of the posts in the thread up to this point... why spam if there is nothing to spam about? B) So he has a history of lurking, so he just suddenly decides to change his game? From lurker to spammer? C) So now he skimmed the rules, but posted part of the rules in this thread... so apparently when he skims he picks up 100% of some rules but 0% of others? D) K Gab makes stupid argument here E) Again, refering to posting part of the rules, but then claiming to not have read the OP F) Does not refute the "defending infun by voting for Gab" thing that Gab brings up... but he does say that Gab is flawed in believing he will become the main bandwagon... and then becomes the main bandwagon Basically all my arguments are in that spoiler, would just be huge since I quoted every single post that Kenpachi made. Just the major points that I think Kenpachi is scummy: 1) A gigantic amount of posts that add nothing to the game. 11 posts in under 5 hours all of which add nothing to the game. His spam was especially apparent at the start of the game. 2) He posts about the rules found in the OP, and then repeatedly claims he never read the OP. This just doesn't make sense, how can you quote the OP without reading it... this just seems very scummy to me. 3) Answering questions without answering the questions. He posts as if he is answering a question, but then offers no information. This makes it seem like he is helping players, but he is simply confusing them more. 4) No arguments when called out. Gab calls Kenpachi out, Kenpachi posts 2 posts that say nothing and then disappears for a day... 5) While disappeared, the person that called him out is suddenly the bandwagon of the day (started by Kenpachi), and no one is questioning Kenpachi anymore. (even though others were investigating Kenpachi as well when Gab was.) This just seems very scummy... comes on, spams a lot, posts contradictory statements, gets called out, gets the guy that calls him out bandwaggoned, then disappears. | ||
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On December 13 2010 03:34 BrownBear wrote: iiiinteresting. It seems like town decided (again) to bandwagon onto an "inactive" then all went AFK and didn't switch onto a far more scummy person. Oh well, fairly standard for TL day 1, I guess. I'm still torn as to whether an Alakazam should check zeks tonight, and report back. On one hand, we do want to be 100% sure. On the other, he's proven to be a decent lynch target already, and we really don't want to waste an Alakazam this early... Gah. Um did you even read the thread... Kenpachi was one of the most active players in the thread, but every single one of his posts seemed scummy, he didn't even defend himself once he was put into first place. There was also a very close race between him and Zeks where Zeks was also kind of active... we didn't go after an inactive at all, don't know where your information is coming from...\ Also if you look, there were like 6 - 7 vote switches near the end of the vote, as well numerous people were talking in the thread asking for kenpachi to defend himself... I'm lost as to where you came up with us voting an inactive and then going inactive at the end of the vote... | ||
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I don't even how we can win... Heck, even mewtwo can't win unless we start killing mafia... (mewtwo can only win if there is 1 or less mafia at end). So lets start the super analysis because we really need to find some reds... | ||
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Alright apparently I counted... there are 22 players (1 mewtwo, 6 mafia, 15 town) bright side, we have 2 cycles before we're screwed... | ||
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Amber[LighT] the Mew was found dead. FOS Shockeyy DarthThienAn the Alakazam was found dead.FOS Eiii, LSB, DCLXVI, dimsab, Oceanic, Brocket, Insanious (+3 people who died to make it a list of 9, not 6) Pandain the Cloyster was found dead. FOS Seraph, DCLXVI To me it looks like: DCLXVI was FOS'ed by two of the players that recently died and then was killed. Will go back through the rest of the people who were killed the night before and who they FOS'ed before they died... but might want to take a look at the people here (and yes I included everyone who didn't die, including my self) | ||
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BrownBear Eiii dinmsab DCLXVI Ghrur Node KtheZ tube chaoser Oceanic These people are now completely lurking, no posts, just voting... meaning they are either mafia or just town that are helping the mafia... as there are 11 i'm going to say that most of them are just town that are helping the mafia win... People that were active then stopped: Eiii Node tube Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | ||
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Ghrur: - Only votes - Posted to start the thread - I believe posted to defend himself once, then disappeared again Eiii: - Suspicious posting at start of thread - Once people started to notice him, he just disappeared into the shadows and stopped posting Will actually go through there posts once I have time, just doing laundry + studying but ya... maybe I can get in some nice analysis before bed. | ||
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On December 16 2010 13:33 LSB wrote: 3 KP + 1 SK = 4 Amber[Light]=1 Brownbear=1 Pandain=2 d3_crescentia=1 1+1+2+1=5 Explain Pandain only needed 1 hit to die... he lost his other life to the electrode from tree.hugger during night 2... This means that Pandain only needed 1 hit to die, leaving one more hit open for d3 (if he's telling the truth) | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 15:09 DCLXVI wrote: Alright just read the thread. All I have to say is fuck you Team Rocket, Oak is the best character in the game. How did TR even manage to sneak up on him? Oak can tell from halfway around the world when you get on a bike, but he can't see a few clumsy TR members? Seriously though, I am confused by gabriel. he makes some decent points about hesmyrr looking active but no content and infund's poor logic, but then he supports his points terribly. He attacks everyone who responds to him and then ragequits. Then the people he attacked + brocket vote him. Not sure if brocket is a newbie or is scum jumping on a free bandwagon. I need to read though the thread a few times more to get a clear view of what is going on, but I would like to hear some more posts on why gabriel/brocket/hesmyrr/infund are posting the way they are, not just people jumping on one side or the other. Trying to deflect attention by saying that he came in late, didn't pay attention, and needs to read the thread. Then he FoS's 4 people with no analysis saying that he needs to read the thread before he can analyze anyone... so if he hasn't read the thread thoroughly how can you accurately FoS people, and why should we even listen to your FoS's without any analysis done at all. Then you don't even read the thread, you just disapear for a day and a half... (December 10 15:09 -> December 12 3:39). Hey look, you said "I'll do analysis" then you didn't analyze anyone. On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote: Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing. I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. Ok, so in this post your saying that I post well, but then in your analysis you say that I don't post well at all... Also not that you haven't posted in 2 days, you just pop up and go "Well done people, your looking good hunting Kenpachi, lets continue to kill this guy who posts poorly." In your post about me, you make it seem like I should of known Kenpachi was town, and not voted for him. Here, you are congratulating my posting and saying Kenpachi needs to die... Why such a turn? On December 12 2010 13:13 DCLXVI wrote: Uhhh, what? RoL is good, a good sign for the town. Not to mention we didn't lose one to a modkill. Whose side are you on? Alright, so you come back 10 hours later in order to say "hey guys, look at Gabriel", with no content at all. On December 12 2010 15:21 DCLXVI wrote: I did my best, I have no regrets Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen. @Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time. I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers. Here there are a few problems that I see. "I did my best, I have no regrets" - You didn't analyze Kenpachi at all, you didn't contribute to his lynching, and yet you are taking part of the blame... you bandwaggoned onto him because my Tree.Hugger (blue) and my post. You even said above that it was because of me and Tree.Hugger that you voted Kenpachi. Then you say that voting town that act scummy is ok, because it helps the town get rid of distractions, but in the thread people have been lambasting people for saying the same thing... surprised you got away unscathed. Then again, for the 3rd time, you go "Hey guys, look at someone who isn't me, why? Well I have no analysis, but I'm leaving for 10+ hours" You say you are going to analyze people, but never do. It makes it seem like you are contributing to lynches but aren't. On December 13 2010 12:33 DCLXVI wrote: Couldn't a chansey save tree.hugger's target too? And I am confused by the four bodies, three dead peolpe part too. Can you explain please Dr. H? Question, can't lambast you too badly for it. Most people we're thinking the same thing, someone needed to ask it. Although, you called me out for asking questions in the thread (that if you payed attention to the posts around those questions, you would realize more than 1 other person was wondering the same thing, as such getting answered in the thread helped the town more than just me getting the answer in a PM). Although, why do you call me out for questions when you are posting questions in the thread too? You could of PM'ed DcH, he would of answered you if he could, seeing how he posted in the thread, he could have. On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote: With the number of swing votes that happened last time, I think that it is very likely that some scum jumped on the kenpachi bandwagon to save zeks. Not that Gabriel is posting any better, but I think that it is more likely that zeks is scum. @amber I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died. and I loled at one inactive accusing another. Here you point fingers at Gabriel, with no analysis, and then jump off to answer a question. Again no real content, just directions that you could have done your self. Also want to point out that here you again disappeared for over a day and a half. December 13 12:333 -> December 15 5:23. So many times that you post, then disappear for 36 hours, seems like a reoccurring event. Looks like you are trying to keep being seen without actually being seen. On December 15 2010 05:39 DCLXVI wrote: tl,dr; Hey guys I'm trying to confuse the town and withhold information but that's ok because I'm town or maybe I'm not but thats fine maybe blues should do what I tell them but maybe not because that could be bad and maybe mewtwo is bad for us now but good later so lets not worry aboutanything. No real content, just being sarcastic. Especially since if you read the post around Brocket's you would know that he was replying to the conversation around his post, rather then just randomly stating a lot of what he said... maybe if during the 36 hours you were not here you actually read up on the posts, you would actually be useful, instead of trying to get people to FoS Brocket. WoW what another reoccurring theme, not only do you disappear for 36 hour stints, but when you pop up, you FoS active members of the community with no analysis, and then disappear again for someone else to pick up the detective work for you. On December 15 2010 15:54 DCLXVI wrote: @LSB While I like your idea of forming up a list of all the inactive/scummy players and then using dt's (or mad H's) on them, I don't think that it is a viable strategy now. A list like that would have to include around 85% of the players. In fact I'll whip one up right now: + Show Spoiler + 1. deconduo 2. BrownBear 3. Eiii 4. GGQ 5. LSB 6. DarthThienAn 7. RebirthOfLeGenD (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 8. Amber[LighT] 9. dinmsab 10. jcarlsoniv (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 11. DCLXVI 12. Ghrur 13. Kenpachi (Pikachu, Day 1 Lynch) 14. Node 15. KtheZ 16. tube 17. chaoser 18. Oceanic 19. Gabriel 20. Insanious 21. Meapak_Ziphh (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill) 22. Shockeyy 23. seRapH 24. Kavdragon 25. tree.hugger (Electrode, Night 1 Kill 26. Infundibulum 27. Pandain 28. Brocket 29. kitaman27 30. d3_crescentia 31. zeks Right now I am trying to get more active, but as far as I see there are about 5 seriously active players. That is why we cannot have the medics self protect like you asked tonight. Night one mafia+M2 took out 3 of the most active players, and I would bet that they will continue that trend tonight. We desperately need every last active player, so unless the medics themselves are high priority targets for the mafia, they should not self protect. I am not trying to open up the medics to be hit, but lets be reasonable. What motive does the mafia have to try to hit random lurking blues over the few active players? Not to mention if they hit mew, they are pretty much screwed. Medics please decide who you want to live and lead our scum hunting tomorrow, Dts follow your gut, same with electrodes. Vets just be tough It would be nice to have some dt's give us information in 2 days (three night checks) so that we know about 1/2 of the alignments with some room for error with millers / GF / fake claims. We could hope for ~2 scum revealed this way, with maybe one fake claimed scum. (all numbers estimated in my head with my assumptions, check yourself) However I think we need to see how desperate our plight is come that time, maybe it will not be necessary then. On the other hand, Double lynching is becoming increasingly necessary. With our multiple bandwagons forming and splitting each vote, it looks like the mafia is having an easy time pulling votes off their team and sending townies to the noose. If we lose to many more townies tonight we won't be able to control the lynch very well in the coming days. We need to take advantage the DL to try and catch back up against the mafia's kills. That is something we seriously need to consider and vote on tomorrow depending on the night kills and the level of town activity come tomorrow morning. I want to see the night kills before I comment on potential scummy players tomorrow. Good night, and make sure you are well prepared for any multiples of trouble. Once again playing the "Sorry I don't read the thread a lot" card before posting a huge post that is filled with what you think the town should do... and again with no substance or back up. You say "the mafia is killing off active players" well duh, we all knew that. That's why everyone has been telling people to protect active players. "well maybe we should do this, or do this, or do this" with no real reasons why, or how those things will help the town... its a long confusing post that really says nothing. Why do you keep telling people who to lynch and how to act without actually contributing to the thread? No analysis, just FoS and gone. On December 16 2010 03:28 DCLXVI wrote: Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say. I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy. Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me. Calling out a bandwagon that never happened (as posted later by other players). You also come back again, saying people are targeted you, but its really only D3 (who subsequently has FoS'ed at least 10 different people this thread if you read it). Now you defend your self without really defending your self... "I voted these guys because they looked scummy, period." no analysis of anything, you can't even point back to a post where you did any analysis all game... Then you FoS D3, LSB, and Amber at the bottom, again with no analysis at all. Just a gut feeling and them voting Shockeyy. On December 16 2010 12:49 DCLXVI wrote: Yeah I guess I don't say much besides criticizing LSB's plan and commenting on the double lynch benefits and outline a decent plan for the medics to follow (which they didn't, and now we lost more active townies ). I guess I should post more like you: And you call my posts trashy. All of my posts at least have a reason behind them, as I, unlike you, don't feel the need to spam to seem active and townie. So in an effort to be a better townie should I go back and summarize your posts however I like, call you an idiot, and then try to start a bandwagon on you? Because that seems like one of the scummiest plans I can think of, but you manage to pull it off and people think you are one of the towniest of us all. Here you are participating in a flame war with d3... not helping the town at all. You don't even analyze d3 who's calling you out and posting a thread filled with rage and not logic... why are you giving no one any information... On December 16 2010 13:08 DCLXVI wrote: You don't seem to understand that I am calling you out for doing a terrible analysis. You are not helping the town by doing so. Once again you take half of what I say and turn it to fit your fancy. I asked for the medics to protect the town leaders over themselves, READ MY POSTS. Also, what happened to the rest of your "analysis"? I'm just right so you ignore it and flame me? Why don't you post some REAL content instead of calling for everyone else to do it instead? Funny, "why don't you post real content" why don't you DCL? I mean really... here you call out d3 for terrible analysis when you have done 0 analysis all game. At least d3 is trying, heck even if he is mafia at least the town gets some information even if skewed, at least this gives the town paths to go down. You have done nothing to help the town at all, and your most recent posts have been nothing but flaming your accuser. You haven't analyzed anything that has been said against you just quoted the whole post and went "LoL flamer" On December 16 2010 13:20 DCLXVI wrote: While I believe he stated that in a poor manner, Gabriel is technically right, however unlikely the situation is. Hesmyrr could have been mewtwo, which would be a great way to get into the town's confirmed list. Mafia could've stacked hits on someone, then had hesmyrr claim, to get him confirmed. While both options are highly unlikely, there are possibilities. Highly likely but not fully confirmed would've been a better way to put it. Pulling out random conspiracy theories... although possible, I think few mafia would of thought to do anything like this... especially since they are so close to winning, they don't need to hide when the town is so fractured. But w/e, guess your post just says "don't trust anyone" which we already knew... On December 16 2010 13:54 DCLXVI wrote: I find you "analysis" lacking. You also add nothing to the discussion, just attack random people with poor logic. I will take you up on your offer however. It seems as if kevdragon has claimed you though, so I will analyze Insanious instead. While I am composing it I would like to see you add something to the town too, and remember, quote don't summarize Hmmm so you point out that someone is doing analysis and that it is lacking, when you have yet to analyze anyone at all... Then you randomly FoS me... where that comes from I don't know, although you have already FoS'ed at least 5 people (maybe more haven't been counting) with no analysis... suprised some actually came this time. On December 16 2010 15:02 DCLXVI wrote: FUCK I forgot to analyze his voting I'll be back Will go over your "analysis" in my next post, just wanted to get this out of the way... but hey you called me scum for EBWOP then you do it, and yet you don't even add any more information, you simply just spam... On December 16 2010 15:07 DCLXVI wrote: Ok vote 1 he OMGUS voted tube, then switched to kenpachi as per his arguments. day 2 he puts a placeholder vote on himself, then decides to jump on the zeks bandwagon for the hell of it. Excuses for inactivity there too. Oh hey look EBWOP that could have been done 1 post ago... Although have to say, the way you write this doesn't even look line an analysis, he it doesn't even seem like you found anything on me based on my voting and just had to post something... On December 16 2010 15:10 DCLXVI wrote: Alright now to post that Im off to sleep and more importantly to complete the quad post, because everyone knows MORE POSTS = MORE TOWNIE Ill read over the KD analysis on d3 tomorrow, to tired now. I look forward to see your contribution d3. 3 spam posts in a row, saying you have to go to bed, which really doesn't matter to the town. So you do an analysis then spam the thread, good job? - - - - - - - - Overall... this is what I see: 1) Inactive poster, that posted every 36 hours according to the post dates on this posts 2) Poster that when ever he posted something FoS'd someone random, then disapeared 3) Contributed nothing to the thread, just did token posts to seem like he was participating 4) Continuously uses the "I don't read the thread much" card, even though he seems to know what's going on 5) Doesn't even defend himself, but in the ends of posts likes to defend other people (mainly Gabe) 6) Got FoS'd by two players who died in the last night period 7) I show that he got FoS'd by two players who TR killed, and then I get FoS'd by him Hmmm... doesn't seem like a productive member of the town... seems more like scum to me. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: Useless, but w/e. First post of the day, commenting on the theme. At least he included all of my posts, but hey. Most of the people made a comment on the theme, most of them are dead, and all of them were town. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: So the first bit is about how he agrees with LSB about the need for a plan and organization. This is useless but really long and looks nice. The second part answers a dumb question, I have no problem with that. People seem to look at that as a useless post, but I don’t. Remember that there are over 10 new Mafia players (as in, first time mafia players) in this game. As such, most people don’t know how to play or post. I was trying to help people with that. Telling them to post longer to help the town, put information in it. People who have played multiple games would know how to post, people who have never played will pick it up eventually, but why not help the town day 1? On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: Long posts are better than short ones, attack scum, but not townies. I’ll make a note here that the lurker Deconduo rears his head and posts an “I agree” post right after. Jcarlsoniv posts after pointing out how useless Insanious’s first few posts were, long and fluffy. You do realize that right after that I respond to jcarl right after this, and then he agrees with me that my posts were warrented, but you don’t even put that in the next posts... you keep attacking me for a post that was deemed ok by my original accuser. Eiii asked questions, so I answered them. This is legitimate, if 1 person has a question, then in a game of 30 people, with 10 who have never played a mafia game, then most likely there is at least 1 more lurker who does not want to ask the question but is still confused. Posting information for all to see is always good for the town, especially when it information that people ask for, and its information that is good for the town to know... and when its answered correctly. I would also like to note, that as of up to this point in the game, I have contributed infinity more times than you simply because you have yet to post in the thread yet... heck according to you, you had yet to even start reading yet... On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: Insanious admits that the only content to his posts is answering a few newbie questions, ignores the fact that the rest of his post is useless. Don’t put words in my mouth, I say nothing of the sort. I think pot of my posts are filled with good information for newer players, the people who they were geared towards. These posts are there to help people who’ve never played before start playing better. I never said once that my posts have little to no content, where did you even get that idea from what I said? You attacked d3 for paraphrasing your ideas... you even called him scum. Hypocrate? On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: Time for questions! Because asking questions is something scum like to do and it adds to your post count making you seem active. PM the host next time please. So when there were 2 other posts behind mine that said that they wanted to know the answer to this question as well, and that it helped them, and they thanked me in the thread... I should of just PM’ed DcH and had them not know how to vote and get mod killed? Read the posts around mine, I helped the new players in the town figure out where the voting thread was, there were thank you posts... how about when you analyze someone you actually take into account what there actions have done. Aka. You are attacking me for informing the town on how to vote against mafia. This post makes you seem like you don’t want me to help inform the town how to vote, unless you are mafia, why don’t you want the town to know how to vote? Why do you want town to be mod killed? Please answer me as to why you think it is a good idea to let 3 town be mod killed because they don’t know how to vote. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: Another question… and then … he says he hasn’t posted much content so to make up for it he presents us with this gem. “umm this guy seems scummy but no one is doing much, maybe this guy to.” Where is the content? What stance do you take on these people and WHY? Again, having the information in the thread for those to read is better then getting it in a PM. I’ve read mafia games where the mafia PM the GM for information so that they know things that the town doesn’t, and then exploits this information. Having it posted in the thread, where it wasn’t before, only helps the town not hinders it. Also, I was only referring to my last post, not all my posts. Again, stop putting words in my mouth. I got attacked for posting something with no thread content before, so I decided to amalgamate my posts into one. Something you did not do at the end of your analysis and now have 3 posts in a row... heck you even ask a question in this thread and have no content on the end, why are you attacking me for something you do? Also I was asking why people were voting Infun (which if you read the posts around mine, you would know half the town was asking why people were voting Infun who did nothing all game). And then I just said I didn’t think Gabe looked scummy. This is better than what you have done with your FoS’s by the way. If you actually compare this post to any of your posts with an FoS, this post has more content. You cannot call me out for lack of content. At least my post has more meat to it than “I FoS Meepak” like all of your posts for the first 6 days of this thread... ya I did an analysis after, and ya you have 0 analysis at least this has something. Sad when you attack me for doing more than you did. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: And your explanation for you vote was what exactly? Oh that’s right, you didn’t. But that is not important, because you learned how to point fingers! I didn’t point fingers at all, I was asking for an analysis of Gab rather than a bandwagon. I was also scared of an irreversible bandwagon day 1. As well, I really didn’t think I had to post why I voted tube, other people did analysis and I jumped on him... kind of like you with Kenpachi, oh right you jumped on my analysis for that, at least I did some analysis for the town... you have done none up until this one. Again, funny how you call me out for no analysis, when even asking “hey guys where’s your analysis” is more reason to jump on someone then you every posted. You quoted the same post, but again the other post was an EBWOP since we cannot edit. So you are attacking me for following the rules of the thread... which you then follow right after this analysis. So why are you attacking me for this at all? Its an EBWOP. This makes no sence. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: Now this post is interesting. This is a step up from pointing fingers at people voting gabe, now he says that it is hurtful for the town to vote for scummy people. “It wasn’t really gabe’s fault he acted scummy, he was just trying to get a reaction.” Yeah right, I’ve seen that defense used too many times on scum to let it get by this game. Um, you do realize in a post you make you simply say “I don’t think Gab is scum” why are you even attacking me for this either? The post is to warn people not to bandwagon on Gabriel too early so that it cannot be reversed. Once you get 10+ people on someone, they are going to die. You need to get 2 – 3 people that you vote for, so that mafia cannot just bandwagon onto a single person and hide. This is sound advice, and you attack me for it. Again, attacking me for helping the town... On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: This I can’t argue with, besides the repeat of “activity is good”. I agree that starting with the lynching inactives always leads to scum slips or at least more town activity. Oh hey look my justification for voting tube, that you ignored in your “voting analysis”. Dude this is why I voted tube at the start, I thought he looked like scum. Better than what you did “I agree *votes kenpachi*” at least I added something to the thread. Nice of you to attack me in a separate post, and then forgetting about your own analysis... looks like your analysis was very thorough. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: The whole kenpachi +jcarlsoniv thing didn’t work out, but it was a nice try I guess Infinity more analysis than you have ever done... oh and you used this as your justification for voting for Kenpachi, therefore you must of thought it was good. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: So he does a good analysis on kenpachi. Unfortunately, according to the town leaders, kenpachi acts like scum but is town just because. So while you supported your argument well, this gets ignored. Um, I have never played a game of mafia before, let alone with Kenpachi. But at least I made an effort, you made none, and then said “Insanious and Tree.Huggers analysis of kenpachi is...” the reason you voted for Kenpachi. Don’t ignore this in a scum hunt. Things like this should show you I’m not scum. I actually did analysis and good analysis, something a mafia wouldn’t do. So I’m scum before I’m doing good things for the town... this makes perfect sense really. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: Huge break in activity excused by this post. Mediocre logic refuted later by kitaman27 I’m sorry that I go to school and have exams and cannot be online all the... wait a second. You are calling me out for activity breaks when you have made 2 36 hours breaks, and have posted basically nothing except in the last 24 hours. Seriously... Wrong post quoted, although I counted wrong so it was a lot less “oh noes we going to die” but if you noticed, like 5 people made similar posts around this time, at least I put the numbers up for us. More than you have done all thread, heck more than most people have done... Attacking me for editing my post because I miscounted, I cannot edit due to rules of the thread or this post wouldn’t exist. You do the same EBWOP after your analysis of me... should I call you out for this? At least I’m not leaving wrong information in the thread for all to read. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: Good, this is just the stuff the town needs. Unfortunately the town forgot about it. So let see... every other time I FoS anyone in this thread, you say that there is no analysis done, and that more needs to be done. Then when my FoS is pointed at you, you go “oh look good post, but it was ignored”. Dude be consistent, more analysis needed to be done, and I did it later. This post is simply there to pull suspicion of you “He did a good analysis of me, why would I say that if I was mafia?” For me, all it does is add suspicion. Why tear me apart for my other FoS’s but not for FoS’ing you? On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: Incatives yay. Notice one that is missing? (hint, his name starts with an I and ends with an s) Why can lurkers get away with accusing others of inactivity? Well since I have more posts in this thread than almost any of the rest of the living people, I don’t think I’m inactive. I also removed anyone who posted in the last 24 hours before this post. This is more a call to activity than anything else, if people don’t start posting we will all die. At least someone pointed it out... why didn’t you? On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: Lets just throw some fingers around, I’ll come back and explain later. You mean what you did all post? Why are you calling me out for the things you have done all thread long? You called out 5 – 6 people, said you would do analysis, then never did... at least this is the first time I said “I’ll do analysis later” oh maybe its because I’m busy with my exams like I said I was... At least I started doing the analysis... will do Eiii later, but I need to leave for a bit, and then my last exam is tonight... so yes my activity will pick back up but thats because life got in the way, like i said it did... like my blog posts have said it did. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: Lol screw analysis I can answer questions to seem active Again, answering questions > leaving the questions unanswered. Also, if you look at the times when I posted, they were all around the same time. During my exam time I get a little bit of free time to post, but then most of my time is spent studying (like i did 14 hours of studying yesterday as of why there was not a lot of posts from me). Although, why you are calling me out for answering questions, when you don’t answer questions, do analysis, or even post regularly I don’t know... So yes, I am active, or at least I am super active compared to you. On December 16 2010 15:01 DCLXVI wrote: And that’s it. It seemed much longer but about half the hits for “insanious” when I searched the thread were people quoting him and asking for real content, putting him on an inactive list, or asking for more contributions from him. My opinion on him changed very much over the course of this analysis. At fist he was the perfect semi lurker scum. Long fluffy posts, answering questions, appearing active. He then goes on to make several posts which I consider to be good, of course because he had the same views on subjects that I did and he backed it up with strong logic. After that he drops off in activity, only posting to FOS people without reason or call for more activity from others. If I were to take a guess I would put him more likely to be scum/M2. His lack of activity hurts the town, and what he does post is even worse. He did have that one good spurt of posting, which I think must be to throw people off. However, many other people disagreed with his posts there so maybe I’m just wrong and he posted badly the whole game. Please read and comment on what you think about him. Especially you Insanious. 1) Most of the hits when you search me come up with people quoting my analysis actually. I have been FoS’d 3 times so far in this thread, and all of the times it’s been dropped because guess what... people have no found anything scummy about me. The only times people post “need you to post more relevant info” was at the very start when I was answering questions of people that have never played before. 2) I am more active than 90% of the time, there are only 2 – 3 posters more active than I am, and you are not one of them. You disappear for 36 hour long stretches, at least I only disappeared because well... I have exams, no explanation from you. 3) All of my posts contribute to the thread, unlike most others. I either answer questions, offer analysis, or have tried to get the thread back on track. This is more than most people have done, and A LOT more than you have done. If you even look at your posts throughout the thread, there is absolutely no substance there at all in any way shape or form. Yet you call me out for my posts... DCLXVI calls me out for single posts that match what he has been doing all game, and then calls me scum for it. He goes “look at this post, it answers questions of noobs, he must be scum!” where he doesn’t even try to help people. He goes “Look at this great analysis that I followed! It must be a ploy by the mafia to look like a good townie and then be a scum!” If I am posting good analysis (half of the posts DCLXVI quoted he said “good, nothing I can argue here, lets ignore it” that to me shows that most of my posts are better than average... better than anything DCLXVI has posted at all.) He goes “Insanious is scum, he asked a question!” when later in the thread he asked a question as well... and hey, at least I didn’t ask my questions in PM, because the questions I got answered people needed the answers too and thanked me for asking them... scum... ya right. He goes “Insanious FoS’s people and then disappears!” Yup, did that my last post, but not at all the rest of the time in the thread. I posted analysis with every single one of my votes, Tube and Kenpachi... and yes I realize I just bandwaggoned Zeks but so did everyone else. At least its more then DCLXVI’s “Hey guys FoS on _______ will do analysis later” 5 – 6 times... To me, DCLXVI didn’t like it that I pointed out that people who FoS’d him died, and that we should lynch me for it. I wouldn’t be surprised if after my analysis of DCLXVI the mafia killed me, because they are protecting someone... Just what I read in this analysis, if you guys need me to answer why I posted something that I did, I will gladly do it. I am town, and I have been fighting for the town... I am one of the last active posters left in the town, lets not lynch someone who’s doing good, rather than someone disruptive. | ||
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On December 17 2010 03:37 DCLXVI wrote: previous inactive poster, I have had quite a lot to say in the past 2 days or so. Then again I still managed to post a reasonable amount compared to the rest of the players. I'm not saying I was active very much then, but you seem to ignore everything that I did post with content. What content? Even look through every post you made: (In the spoiler is a small analysis of every post that DLXVI made, you can either look at my original post and what I wrote or at this to see what I mean, but if you read what he wrote or just this you will see that he has done nothing to add to the thread but FoS people) + Show Spoiler + 1st post – “Sorry I’m late, just read the thread” No analysis, FoS’d 4 people (Gabe, Brocket, Hesmyrr, infund) 2nd post – “Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that” No more analysis on anything, just a huge post saying “I’m voting kenpachi” 3rd post – FoS Gab in a 1 liner 4th post – “I did my best, no regrets” look at your previous posts... you didn’t do anything, why are you apologizing? Then you say “I want to write up some analysis” and then don’t. 5th post – Two questions, adding nothing to thread. No analysis like your said you would do in your post. 6th post – Again no analysis, this is 36 hours after your 5th post, and you come on to FoS Gab with no analysis of anything. 7th post – Sarastically FoS’ing Brocket. No analysis, even though you’ve had over 2 days since your last post saying you would post some analysis. 8th post – “Sorry I’m trying to be more active” once again apologizing for no reason. Then you write 3 paragraphs saying “mafia is killing the active players” BUNCH of fluff, no added info since that had already been posted 3 times before hand. You also ask the DTs to role-claim, then you say you’ll do analysis in your next post. 9th post – No analysis still, you’ve been saying you would get more active and analyze people for 6 days now... Then you don’t really defend yourself just “these guys looked scummy to me so I voted them” and then you call out a bandwagon that never happend (Shockeyy wasn’t a bandwagon) and then you FoS D3, LSB, and Amber... these being your 9th FoS this game with 0 analysis so you think 1/3 of the town is mafia without doing any analysis at this point. 10th post – Still no analysis, just flame warring with d3, cluttering up the thread. 11th post – Calling out D3 for “terrible posts” when you have yet to post anything with any content, any analysis, or even an FoS with any sort of back up at all. 12th post – Conspiracy theories, again no analysis yet, but your activity is up since D3 called you out. 13th post – Again more flaming, not adding to the thread at all. FoS’ing me after I FoS’ed you 14th post – Your analysis on me that came because I FoS’d you, that doesn’t even analyze my posting... 15th post – Random spam 16th post – EBWOP from 2 posts ago 17th post – More spam, going to bed. Analysis if your posting: Everything you have posted is spam or an FoS with no analysis or reasoning. The only time you put in any effort to your posting is when you “analyzed” me after I FoS’d you. You made an “analysis” that doesn’t even make me look scummy, since well half of the things you posted were “his posts look good”. FoS’ing a productive member of society and being called out on it, so you come back and you respond with the same rhetoric you have been all game “I’ve been posting well and you haven’t” no you haven’t but I have been. FoS someone who might actually be scum, or defend yourself. You are the only one who thinks that I am scum and I have yet to make a scummy post, unlike you have. Want me to go more indepth when it comes to your posts? 2) Poster that when ever he posted something FoS'd someone random, then disapeared Is this english? I apologize, what I meant to say was that whenever you posted, all game, you would FoS someone then disappear. Happened in posts 1,3,6,9, 11, 13 totalling to 9 distinct FoS, not including Zeks and Kenpachi who you voted for, taking it to 11 distinct FoS’s. aside from my criticism of some people's ideas and my recent analysis on you Yes sorry, its not scummy that you have 17 token/spammy posts, and then 1 analysis of the guy that FoS’d you. That is a Lie, I never posted anything remotely like that Sorry, to me the whole “just read the thread...” thing you did all game long seemed like you were saying that you didn’t have a chance to read the thread before, was just getting through it, but was posting just to add an opinion. I guess it would make sense that during your multiple 36 hour absences you would of read the thread at least a couple times, sorry. yeah i never defend myself... did you even read my posts? and where do you get the idea that I am mainly defending Gabe? + Show Spoiler + Post 9 – defends Gabriel, only defense he has for himself is that “we should of killed kenpachi anyway since his posting was bad and not helping” Post 10 – Flaming D3 rather then even trying to defend himself against his accuser. He could of posted with a level head and tried to defuse the situation but instead he flames D3 and the war continues... Post 11 – Instead of defending himself, he switches to the offensive “You don’t seem to understand that I’m calling you out...” doesn’t offer any reason as to why he is green/blue (as there is none) but tries to steer suspicion onto D3 Post 13 – Again flaming D3 “I find your analysis lacking” instead of defending himself, he tries to belittle D3. Post 17 – Again attacks me personally, instead of showing posts or analysis of his own posts to defend himself. Post 18 – Attacking me again (“people are ignoring you analysis” the analysis I did swayed your vote, wasn’t ignored.) Again, attacking me personally (“Dumb questions and meaningless posts” even though I was congratulated on my questions, and have been congratulated on my analysis as well... Calls my posts “unhelpful” even though my posts were part of the analysis that people have followed, they got more information to the town, and my posts have been more than just random FoS’s. Then he tries to dismiss my analysis with “you must be reading my posts with the mindset ‘he is scum, how can i pass this action off as scummy’” no, this is how you approached me. I looked at your posts and went “no analysis, fluff, mass FoS, only is active when attacked... looks like scum to me” Here’s my rebuttal, with which posts you made that I made my analysis based on. Ex. For refuting what content he posts, i posted all of his posts and found one with content, and 17 with no content. You can look at the posts of his if you want just: click on profile, click on posts, and then look for the Pokemafia thread and count his posts out to the one you want to see. | ||
Insanious
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+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 07:19 Insanious wrote: Professor Oak was way better than Rowen, or the other Professors throughout the different lands, this is the saddest start to a mafia ever. Everyone else was posting condolences for Professor Oak, and I didn’t want to be one of the few that did not. As well, posting at the start keeps it at the top of the forum, meaning people are more likely to look in, read and post something useful. This is my first mafia game, so I had no idea what to look for. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 08:04 Insanious wrote: I have to agree with this, having a general idea of how the town runs will help keep down the number of accidental lynchings. This is more or less pulled from one of the guides that DcH posted, but when you have a town that uses larger posts, filled with a lot of information, it makes it a lot easier to pick out those that want to give no new information and are simply regurgitating stuff that has already been said in the thread.If we start with a town that runs this way, it should carry through to the end of the game. The best way to keep a town that functions correctly functioning this way would be to keep the people that are running in a more administrative fashion (i guess i could say that) where they are trying to keep some semblance of order alive. I mean a town that runs all willy-nilly chaotic is a town that breeds scum, where a town that runs in a more ordered fashion has a higher chance of weeding out those that are trying to bring disorder to an already disorderly situation. It says that the mafia get 3kp, added to this mewtwo (although not part of the mafia, is still playing against the town) has 1kp. This means there can be 3 mafia targets, and 1 third party target a night. I wanted to do a couple things with this post, and fluff was not one of them. I had read the sign up thread as well as the blog that was posted for this mafia, and knew that at least 1/3 of the players playing were new. As well, I assumed most of them had not done any research into mafia and as such would be just as if not more lost than my self. So I made a two part post: Part 1: when you have a town that uses larger posts, filled with a lot of information, it makes it a lot easier to pick out those that want to give no new information and are simply regurgitating stuff that has already been said in the thread. This is what I wanted to get across, would I have known this if I didn’t read the guides DocH posted? NO I would not, so I assumed other people in here would not. People would post random stuff, one liners and the thread would degrade into nothingness... and guess what.No one took the advice from here, we have tonnes of tiny posts, and we have no analysis and we have no idea who is red or not. Maybe if people would of actually taken this seriously and not just as fluff... Part 2: Helping out someone who didn’t know something is always good, and always something that should be done in thread. I wanted to get the info out there for everyone to know, if you ask questions in a PM then guess what, your the only one that knows the answer and this is BAD for the town. I read a mafia game (http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126828-StarWars-Return-of-the-Sith-Concluded) Where the mafia asks the GM what happens if there is a tie in the voting, people in the town assumed that the first one voted would be killed, in this game on the other hand no one dies in the event of a tie. So the mafia get to waste a lynch. Who knows what information will be useful, what information will prevent the mafia killing someone important... so people knowing the rules is MUCH better than people asking for rule clarification in a PM and then half the players knowing nothing. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 08:20 Insanious wrote: I'm newer at this as well, but have been reading a few mafia games, but i think some of the things people want in a pro-town environment are: - Longer, well thought out posts. This way ideas don't get lost. If you post a million tiny posts people can get bored, or will skip over having to read like 5 pages when everything could have just been put into a single longer post and people will have less to read. This way the town can see people who are posting small posts that try to bury information. - Long, well thought out accusations of scum. If you have posts that have like 8 quotes in them, people can better see a pattern in someones behavior. This can also help stop bandwagoning onto an innocent, as with a long post someone has a lot of information to refute, and you can also then point out scum who are using selective posts. This way it is easier to spot people who are trying to mislead the town. - Less peer-pressure, in a more pro-town environment there is less calling out of people, this can result in less blues being forced to reveal, which not only makes the town more vulnerable but also forces a chancey (in this case) to protect the blue for fear that they die. As well, this can reduce the amount of greens that need to reveal, that make them vulnerable due to them no longer being able to be lynch bait. I think those are more or less the major points of a more pro-town environment rather than an anti-town environment, if I missed anything just add to the list. Again helping out the town, Eiii asked a question, even Kenpachi did not know what a “pro-town” environment was... and guess what, if you read what I wrote, even though everyone wrote this off as “fluff” we don’t have a pro-town environment. We have a pro-mafia environment as there is no analysis, no large posts, and no leavel-headedness. Maybe next time people should not just write things off as fluff and actually pay attention to what is being said. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 09:29 Insanious wrote: Two newer mafia players asked two questions, I was simply answering them. Its not like I was just throwing that info out there as if it was anything new. Eiii asked what a pro-town environment entitled, while Kenpachi asked how many attacks the mafia can make in a night. Both of which they could of found by reading what DrH posted, but I thought it would be nice to answer both questions... I guess if you would rather I could of simply just not answered their questions and left them guessing. Me defending myself, I didn’t attack anyone, I didn’t FoS anyone. I just said why I posted this, and guess what jcarl thought it was a good answer and dropped the FoS on me for my posts. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 13:56 Insanious wrote: Completely random I know... but can someone tell me how to get to the voting thread. On the front page it says "vote in a separate thread found here" but there's no link on here, or after it. I think I missed where it was listed and would be nice to be able to see the votes... I have a feeling I'm missing something very obvious. I didn’t know where to vote, I didn’t want to be mod killed. I assumed since there were 10 new players in this game, they wouldn’t know where to vote either and guess what... On December 10 2010 13:57 Brocket wrote: I'm glad you asked that insanious because I also don't know. That’s one more townie that doesn’t get mod killed for not voting... and there might have been more people that didn’t respond to me that didn’t know where to vote. Knowledge is power, and the town has very little... keeping people in the know helps. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 14:10 Insanious wrote: You can change votes right, like ##unvote XXXX; Vote XXXX or no? Also to actually contribute to the thread somewhat, I really don't like either of the bandwagons we have going. Infun hasn't really done anything, especially not to garner the wrath of 10% of the people playing this game. On the other hand Gab came off a little rough and confrontational, but I really don't think he came off that scummy... Two parts: Question: I helped someone out with my previous question, and the way the OP was worded it seemed like you couldn’t change your vote. This helps me, and helps anyone else that read the OP the same way I did. Added part: like 2 – 3 people called me out for asking a question before (even though I wasn’t the only one wondering where to vote). So I tried to add something to the end. Up to this point in the thread, there were few posts, and there was already a bandwagon. After reading some of the mafias I know that once a bandwagon gets going, its hard to stop. Infun had 3 people voting for him with no reason, I didn’t want to see Infun die at the start of the game simply because people didn’t think and just voted like sheep. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 15:22 Insanious wrote: So now we have 4 people voting for Gabriel with little to no explanation... actually I think like only 1 person explained why they were voting for Gab and the other three didn't even say they were voting for him or why... bandwagon on an active, outspoken player? Me no likey... Then we get a complete change, and now people are off Infun and voting for Gabriel. I again didn’t want a bandwagon without reasoning so I spoke up. Apparently this is scummy. We didn’t have a lot going for us at the start of the game, so to me it made more sense to try and figure out a scum or find someone who wasn’t participating to kill... but I would rather kill someone not participating later then make an irreversible bandwagon on someone now. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 15:26 Insanious wrote: sorry my post makes little sense... for some reason f5 wasn't refreshing the page, so anything from my post before this to this post I didn't see when I posted... sorry. Appologizing becuse my two post before hand was posted after a lot of people talked about Gabriel, and TL wasn’t refreshing for me... so it refreshed after I posted this, which was after some analysis. + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2010 05:26 Insanious wrote: Gab cant really explain him self :/, there isnt enough info in the game to do so... and I mean from the looks of it, it looks like Gab was just trying to push peoples buttons to see their reaction to his posts about who he thought was scum, that go way overboard and suddenly 1/6th of the people in this game are voting that he is scum... People are like "its only 6 out of 31" but really, once a bandwagon gets running its hard to stop unless you slow it down early... I don't think any more votes on Gab right now will help the town, all it will do is seal Gab's fate... People were screaming at Gabriel to defend himself, defend youself! Well, there weren’t a lot of posts, and Gabriel was defending himself, which people took as him being scummy... well to me it just looked like someone who was trying to get people to talk, it backfired on them and then they went “well shit, there’s no posts for me to quote to prove that I’m not scum since there are no posts in the thread” and then people jumped on him. His posting wasn’t scummy, and his reaction to being attacked was lighter than anyone elses in the thread... which is noted later. + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2010 13:42 Insanious wrote: tube your acting simply just very confrontational right now... what chaoser was trying to say is that you have to start the game somewhere. Promoting lynching inactives is a place to start. You never want to end with simply lynching inactives, but the discussion between whether we lynch or do not lynch inactives can actually lead to something that can be analyzed. Look at every mafia game here, or on any other site and it always starts with the "do we lynch inactives or not", why? Because it gets people talking, and unless people talk then we will never ever find scum. Activity is counter productive to the mafia, as that means they have to participate more, and that gives them more chances to slip up. LSB started on the convo, but now we have found a few people acting scummy, and as such we are no longer talking about lynching inactives, but weather to lynch people who've actually said something. Do we lynch Kenpachi for his posting habbits, Gab for his out burst, Infun for his previous actions, LSB for trying to be the head of the town, or you for just angrily, randomly, accusing people of being scum. This is where the game should be focused, but we needed a start... and lynching inactives is a start. tube over reacts worse then Gabriel, but there is no suspicion put on tube, so I FoS’d him. I also tried to rebuttal people’s arguments about to vote or not to vote inactives, saying the persons position doesn’t matter, its how they post. You need to start somewhere for people to post things and that is somewhere to start without instant FoS. The idea was to drop the whole “you are scum because your for voting inactives” “no, scum are against killing inactives!” was getting us no where... on the other hand the posts between Gab and Kenpachi, Gab and Tube were getting us places as there were posts then available to be analyzed. + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2010 17:14 Insanious wrote: Hell anyone else notice a trend... 1) Gabe accuses Kenpachi 2) Kenpachi tries to defend himself poorly 3) Kenpachi votes for Gabe 4) Jcarl jumps in and defends Ken, while trying to put a case against Gabe 5) People bandwagon Gabe 6) People start to look else where for scum 7) Kenpachi jumps in and makes us look back at Gabe 8) Gabe tries to ignore Ken, and tries to act like the rest of us (Eii, Chaos, tube, etc...) 9) Jcarl comes back and tries to get us to focus back on Gabe Kenpachi and Jcarl, why you two working so closely together to try and get us to hang Gabe when a large part of the town is like "... Gabe really doesn't look that scummy..." - - - - - - - - - - - - ^^^ huh? Isn't that contradictory to the two huge posts you made against Gabe? "I don't think he's scum... but let's vote him and then see what happens!" Analysis of kenpachi and jcarl, me trying to help. Since no one else was doing analysis I thought maybe I should start... once someone starts it would start other people analyzing posts right? Wrong, people just bandwagon onto the analysis without doing any thinking of their own, awesome... At least people liked my analysis of Kenpachi.... + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2010 03:19 Insanious wrote: Its not THAT you post, its WHAT you post... the problem is that all of your posts are spam and none of them offer anything. I actually also prepared a case against you, but tree.hugger got there before me so I didn't think I should post everything you wrote again, but really: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 06:55 Kenpachi wrote: yes! got my pm and the games beginning~ Very excited over his role, that's not that unusual... On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote: oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: Until you see that he posts against 16 minutes later just to spam that he's in the game, wouldn't the post before hand of been enough? All this does is clutter up the thread with no additional content. Post could not have happened. On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote: Pikachu - Townie Raichu - Miller Chansey - Medic Cloyster - Veteran Alakazam - Detective Electrode - Mad Hatter Mew - Special Detective Gengar - God Father Koffing - Mafia Grunt Weezing - Mafia Shrink Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. Then he continues with the spam. Here he posts a list of the pokemon roles to normal mafia roles. This is something that looks helpful, but isn't helpful at all. Everyone would of red the starting post to see what the roles do, equating them with other words isn't helpful in the least, but it does SEEM helpful. As well, he also points out that the reds have little to fear from the town besides lynching as there are no vig killers. Why does he point that out? Re-leaved? On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote: yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. Again, more spam... seems like he is posting every 10 minutes or less, just to rack up posts. He says it doesn't work, but doesn't explain why. He is simply shooting down an idea without adding to the conversation. This kills information flow, something a red would like to do. If he was green/blue, he could of posted more to his opinion,why he thought that. Something with more meat "Claiming is a no no because there are so many mafia that any lies will take forever for the DT to check out, as well it will make our blues more susceptible as then the mafia will know who exactly to hit every-night." Even that is less suspicious than what Ken posted. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? His last post previous showed that he read the starting post, as he pulled the names and roles of the different jobs from the starting post, but then why does he feign ignorance? If you read what all the roles did, do you expect me to believe that he didn't scroll down a few lines to see how many KP the mafia got? If he would of just read the OP, instead of posting this it would of been less suspicious. But this seems like another thing scum do, play the "I'm new card" this is a subtle one, that just says "look at me asking this noob question, i must not know much" it is a defense as people are less likely to lynch a new player than an experienced one. On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote: basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think Here he is answering a question, without actually answering the question. He posts something that looks like an answer but offers no real insight at all. He doesn't explain what a pro-town environment is, he just simply states what it should look like and then moves on. It is just clutter, that can also just act as a way to confuse a newer player. Not to mention, Eiii might of been less likely to ask the question against later even though it wasn't really responded to simply to avoid looking foolish after kenpachi, a more experienced player, "answered" it. If he was town, he should of just ignored this, or went to one of the links DocH posted and just copie-pasted the analysis of a pro-town environment, both would of done more good. Including this to include all his posts, answering a question where he simply copies from the OP... again. (note this is not scummy behaviour, but i wanted to include all posts) Pure spam... adds nothing to the conversation. Would have been better to actually refute the claims instead of spam here. He could of looked like a green/blue, but instead he continues to post like a red, more spam and more dismissal of arguments without any sound logic. On December 10 2010 11:34 Kenpachi wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote: Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain A) your vote B) your deep posts? + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote: oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote: Pikachu - Townie Raichu - Miller Chansey - Medic Cloyster - Veteran Alakazam - Detective Electrode - Mad Hatter Mew - Special Detective Gengar - God Father Koffing - Mafia Grunt Weezing - Mafia Shrink Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote: yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote: how many people can Mafia target per night? On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote: basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think what would posting history 4 hours into the game show you? Posts two seconds later, more spam, and again... doesn't add anything. Doesn't refute the claim against him, does not try to argue against Gab at all, he simply just tries to dismiss any claim against him without even a logical argument. On December 10 2010 11:44 Kenpachi wrote: A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. Here, he doesn't even refute the arguments brought against him. A) Says 4 hours isn't enough time to judge activity, and then he says something that makes no sence B) He says posting = activity, but it doesn't... Kenpachi posts empty posts that make him look active without contributing... posting without content does not make you an active member of the comunity. C) He says he didn't read the rules here... even though he posted the roles as his 3rd post in the game. So he read the rules but didn't read the rules? D) Says lynching inactives doesn't work, but not why... E) K this one doesn't make sense... F) Ken voted Gab as soon as Gab voted Infini, even though Gab said he voted Infini for past actions... On December 10 2010 12:12 Kenpachi wrote: A) There isnt much to post in the beginning, due to low information and lack of suspicion. B) I am not what? I posted in the beginning to "look" active because i have a history of lurking. C) You are still assuming i read the rules. Did i read or skim it? Did i read it but pass the KP? I posted that in the thread for people who also didnt know to possibly take a burden off many people. D)Idk man. you found a bunch of posts in the beginning and call me inactive? Refer to B). Why am i posting to "look" active? E) "I think its 2." hey i only played 1 game with Double Lynch before. F) your logic is flawed. i can vote for anyone i want to and im defending Infundibulum by not voting for him. Why do you think youre gonna be the main bandwagon from 1 vote? A) Says there isn't much to post in the begining, but then why post at all? Ken has something like 1/4 of the posts in the thread up to this point... why spam if there is nothing to spam about? B) So he has a history of lurking, so he just suddenly decides to change his game? From lurker to spammer? C) So now he skimmed the rules, but posted part of the rules in this thread... so apparently when he skims he picks up 100% of some rules but 0% of others? D) K Gab makes stupid argument here E) Again, refering to posting part of the rules, but then claiming to not have read the OP F) Does not refute the "defending infun by voting for Gab" thing that Gab brings up... but he does say that Gab is flawed in believing he will become the main bandwagon... and then becomes the main bandwagon Basically all my arguments are in that spoiler, would just be huge since I quoted every single post that Kenpachi made. Just the major points that I think Kenpachi is scummy: 1) A gigantic amount of posts that add nothing to the game. 11 posts in under 5 hours all of which add nothing to the game. His spam was especially apparent at the start of the game. 2) He posts about the rules found in the OP, and then repeatedly claims he never read the OP. This just doesn't make sense, how can you quote the OP without reading it... this just seems very scummy to me. 3) Answering questions without answering the questions. He posts as if he is answering a question, but then offers no information. This makes it seem like he is helping players, but he is simply confusing them more. 4) No arguments when called out. Gab calls Kenpachi out, Kenpachi posts 2 posts that say nothing and then disappears for a day... 5) While disappeared, the person that called him out is suddenly the bandwagon of the day (started by Kenpachi), and no one is questioning Kenpachi anymore. (even though others were investigating Kenpachi as well when Gab was.) This just seems very scummy... comes on, spams a lot, posts contradictory statements, gets called out, gets the guy that calls him out bandwaggoned, then disappears. This was supposed to be a warning to those playing, that posting like a scum will get you hanged. Because its not that you post and are not inactive, its what you post. That its important to have substance and if you do not, then you look scummy and aren’t helping the town. Zeks and Kenpachi both posted this way... a lot of players are still posting this way with no substance, but you need to start putting meat on your posts or we will get no where. + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2010 04:18 Insanious wrote: Um did you even read the thread... Kenpachi was one of the most active players in the thread, but every single one of his posts seemed scummy, he didn't even defend himself once he was put into first place. There was also a very close race between him and Zeks where Zeks was also kind of active... we didn't go after an inactive at all, don't know where your information is coming from...\ Also if you look, there were like 6 - 7 vote switches near the end of the vote, as well numerous people were talking in the thread asking for kenpachi to defend himself... I'm lost as to where you came up with us voting an inactive and then going inactive at the end of the vote... Calling out BB’s slip up with regards to kenpachi, nothing special... BB just started playing as a replacement so probably didn’t have a long time to read the thread. This is why I didn’t FoS him, I simply corrected his mistake and told him to re-read the thread. + Show Spoiler + On December 15 2010 10:23 Insanious wrote: Posting this from my blackberry so will be short, but I want everyone to keep in mind BB was a replacement. I don't think many people who get mafia will go and afk and leave a game when they get mafia. Just food for thought... Maybe BB is mafia and someone wanted town/ really didn't have time but just wanted to say BB is a replacement and from what I hear replacements are rarely red. Litterally, me reading the thread while on the bus back from an exam, trying to narrow down the people that could be mafia. Wasn't a long post, but I just didn't think it was very often that replacements = mafia, so I thought it would be a better idea to look else where. People corrected me... it happens. + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2010 11:14 Insanious wrote: So lets see... we're down our detectives, down 4 blues, and haven't got a mafia... Alright so now we have to find some mafia NOW or stand 0 chance... (since it's now 1 mewtwo, 6 mafia, and 11 Town... basically if we don't kill some mafia next round it is impossible for town to win). I don't even how we can win... Heck, even mewtwo can't win unless we start killing mafia... (mewtwo can only win if there is 1 or less mafia at end). So lets start the super analysis because we really need to find some reds... On December 16 2010 11:23 Insanious wrote: EBWOP: Alright apparently I counted... there are 22 players (1 mewtwo, 6 mafia, 15 town) bright side, we have 2 cycles before we're screwed... Just trying to get people back on track, there were a few people posting analysis of posting and such, but not very many. Wanted to put the game into perspective. We are chasing ghosts and are killing our selves... we need to start making good posts or risk dying in 4 days... (er 1 day, 1 night, 1 day, 1 night periods) + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2010 11:38 Insanious wrote: Just went through the people who died posts and these are the people that they FOS'ed before they died: Amber[LighT] the Mew was found dead. FOS Shockeyy DarthThienAn the Alakazam was found dead.FOS Eiii, LSB, DCLXVI, dimsab, Oceanic, Brocket, Insanious (+3 people who died to make it a list of 9, not 6) Pandain the Cloyster was found dead. FOS Seraph, DCLXVI To me it looks like: DCLXVI was FOS'ed by two of the players that recently died and then was killed. Will go back through the rest of the people who were killed the night before and who they FOS'ed before they died... but might want to take a look at the people here (and yes I included everyone who didn't die, including my self) On December 16 2010 11:52 Insanious wrote: deconduo BrownBear Eiii dinmsab DCLXVI Ghrur Node KtheZ tube chaoser Oceanic These people are now completely lurking, no posts, just voting... meaning they are either mafia or just town that are helping the mafia... as there are 11 i'm going to say that most of them are just town that are helping the mafia win... People that were active then stopped: Eiii Node tube Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee On December 16 2010 11:55 Insanious wrote: Now I'm going to FoS: Ghrur: - Only votes - Posted to start the thread - I believe posted to defend himself once, then disappeared again Eiii: - Suspicious posting at start of thread - Once people started to notice him, he just disappeared into the shadows and stopped posting Will actually go through there posts once I have time, just doing laundry + studying but ya... maybe I can get in some nice analysis before bed. These three posts should of been close to one... but basically pointing out who the dead were FoS’ing, who was inactive, and who I thought was scum based on posts, or lack there of. Really I just wanted to get discussion going and guess that I have... + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2010 13:37 Insanious wrote: Pandain only needed 1 hit to die... he lost his other life to the electrode from tree.hugger during night 2... This means that Pandain only needed 1 hit to die, leaving one more hit open for d3 (if he's telling the truth) Just like all game, I have been answering questions so that everyone in the thread gets information. Information helps the town. + Show Spoiler + On December 17 2010 01:18 Insanious wrote: Here's my long analysis done on DCLXVI, I said I would do one on him and Eiii. I just didn't have Overall... this is what I see: 1) Inactive poster, that posted every 36 hours according to the post dates on this posts 2) Poster that when ever he posted something FoS'd someone random, then disapeared 3) Contributed nothing to the thread, just did token posts to seem like he was participating 4) Continuously uses the "I don't read the thread much" card, even though he seems to know what's going on 5) Doesn't even defend himself, but in the ends of posts likes to defend other people (mainly Gabe) 6) Got FoS'd by two players who died in the last night period 7) I show that he got FoS'd by two players who TR killed, and then I get FoS'd by him Hmmm... doesn't seem like a productive member of the town... seems more like scum to me. Trying to get the town back on track, I retaliated against an analysis of me with an analysis of the person back. People need information, and doesn’t matter who it’s on. But I got called out, so here we go.... and here we are still, my 4th analysis post in a row. + Show Spoiler + On December 17 2010 02:14 Insanious wrote: My review of DCLXVI’s analysis on me, and my response. DCLXVI calls me out for single posts that match what he has been doing all game, and then calls me scum for it. He goes “look at this post, it answers questions of noobs, he must be scum!” where he doesn’t even try to help people. He goes “Look at this great analysis that I followed! It must be a ploy by the mafia to look like a good townie and then be a scum!” If I am posting good analysis (half of the posts DCLXVI quoted he said “good, nothing I can argue here, lets ignore it” that to me shows that most of my posts are better than average... better than anything DCLXVI has posted at all.) He goes “Insanious is scum, he asked a question!” when later in the thread he asked a question as well... and hey, at least I didn’t ask my questions in PM, because the questions I got answered people needed the answers too and thanked me for asking them... scum... ya right. He goes “Insanious FoS’s people and then disappears!” Yup, did that my last post, but not at all the rest of the time in the thread. I posted analysis with every single one of my votes, Tube and Kenpachi... and yes I realize I just bandwaggoned Zeks but so did everyone else. At least its more then DCLXVI’s “Hey guys FoS on _______ will do analysis later” 5 – 6 times... To me, DCLXVI didn’t like it that I pointed out that people who FoS’d him died, and that we should lynch me for it. I wouldn’t be surprised if after my analysis of DCLXVI the mafia killed me, because they are protecting someone... Just what I read in this analysis, if you guys need me to answer why I posted something that I did, I will gladly do it. I am town, and I have been fighting for the town... I am one of the last active posters left in the town, lets not lynch someone who’s doing good, rather than someone disruptive. Again, me defending my self... and yes most of my posts are “You are worse then me...” but again that is a defence here. Why are you FoS’ing someone who has been more productive and more useful than yourself? Let alone someone who hasn’t exuded the aroma of scum unlike other people in the post. You pick someone who has infinitely better than you as town, and then call them scum, then wonder why the FoS is being turned around... This was my ideas when posting this and still is. + Show Spoiler + On December 17 2010 04:28 Insanious wrote: Here’s my rebuttal, with which posts you made that I made my analysis based on. Ex. For refuting what content he posts, i posted all of his posts and found one with content, and 17 with no content. You can look at the posts of his if you want just: click on profile, click on posts, and then look for the Pokemafia thread and count his posts out to the one you want to see. And here, I was trying to bring logic to illogical arguments. You attacked me personally, and I attacked the way you posted, your activity, and your content. You attacked my analysis, and you offered none of your own. This is where this rebuttal came from. I then wanted to put specific posts towards actions so people can see over-arching patterns like posting nothing, or defending one-self by attacking other instead of actually defending one-self. If you actually have any arguments you want to put forth as to how I am scum... I will gladly quote my own posts to prove you other wise. Please analyze someone else, because you have wasted the towns time analyzing someone who is obviously town. These were the thoughts behind my posts, why I posted why I did, and why I think my posts are useful. 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15 town 6 mafia 1 mewtwo Double lynch kills 2 town, mafia kills 3 town, mewtwo kills 1 town = -6 town its 9 town 6 mafia 1 mewtwo In next round, at least 3 town die... need to be able to double lynch in order to catch mafia and not instantly lose. Doubly lynch NEEDS to happen now, and we NEED to hit mafia, or... vote double lynch again 2 lynch + 4 KP + 2 lynch + 4KP = what we will most likely have to do at this point... the only point we would not need to do that would be 2 lynch kills 1-2 mafia, and mewtwo kills 1 mafia... that this point its 2 mafia KP, which gives us another 3 days to lynch mafia. 15-4 = 11/3 = 3.75 = 4, means town gets from 3 - 4 extra days to kill mafia. If we hit towns with our double lynch we get 1 more day to kill mafia. We need to kill 2 mafia. Killing mewtwo won't help us either. Mewtwo can ONLY win if all mafia, and all town are dead. Meaning Mewtwo can only win under these conditions: mewtwo + 2 town Mewtwo + 1 town + 1 mafia at end. If there are: Mewtwo + 2 mafia = mewtwo is lynched This means, mewtwo needs to kill mafia as much as we do... maybe even more so as if we don't hit mafia during the double lynch then we will need to double lynch again giving a higher chance to kill mafia... - - - - TL;DR we have 1 more night to find mafia, or we need to double lynch twice in a row Mewtwo needs to kill mafia or will lose the game in 2 days as well. Basically... vote double lynch if you want to win, the only people that don't want it are mafia... or town loses the game. Doesn't even matter if we hit town because we have the same amount of nights to win with double or normal lynch = 2, and double lynch = higher chance of killing mafia. | ||
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I want to FoS Brocket... for a single reason, since page 30 (when d3 FoS'd Shockeyy), Brocket was been trying to diffuse the vote and move votes onto Gabriel. Brocket did not out right try to defend Shockeyy at all at the end, but simply responded to every attack on Shockeyy with another post saying "I don't think Shockeyy is mafia, but Gabriel...." As well, Brocket FoS'd seraph and LSB once during his last 11 posts (which are how many times he tried to move the votes from Shockeyy onto Gabriel). - - - - Now post analysis of Shockeyy's posts have show a few things: - LSB = Town (obviously) - Gabriel = Town (less obviously, but Shockeyy was one of the first to bandwagon gabriel, constantly tried to kill gabriel, and gabriel was one of the first to vote for Shockeyy) - Seraph = Town (Seraph was the 3rd person to publicly post they were voting for Shockeyy, who is mafia. IF Seraph was mafia he would of switched his vote off of Shockeyy at the end to try and save his mafia buddy.) Please note, that Brocket FoS'd these three players multiple times, the ones that started the FoS on Shockeyy. - - - - To not forget about d3, Brocket also FoS'd D3 a lot until D3 revealed he was mewtwo, at which point Brocket dropped his FoS on D3. - - - - Other FoS DCLXVI, if Brocket turns up red, then DCLXVI = town. - - - - - This is just a bit of analysis I did post death, if anyone wants to know how I got to these conclusions I will post what posts these reactions come from. | ||
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On December 19 2010 03:03 Brocket wrote: I want to echo what LSB said very recently: Major Assumption. DCXLIV is green Way to confirm without killing DCXLIV: If Brocket is red, this could be an easy way to confirm. Wow. Let's go ahead and sweeten the deal. If I get lynched. And I'm red. That must make you green too? And also gabe as well? Guaranteed right? Because I'm a nasty mafia gunning for you guys. Can someone not me or lsb tell me which one of us is making sense? This is madness. LSB and Gabe are green as they were the ones running Shockeyy up the flag pole. They were the ones trying to lynch Shockeyy, if they were red why would they purposely put Shockeyy into the light when no one suspected him before hand... LSB and Gabe are basically confirmed greens... so any defense made with "So if I'm red it makes you guys greens" doesn't work since they are already green... even if they mistakenly kill a town then it just means the people leading the town made a mistake. I would be HIGHLY surprised if either of those two were red. LSB + Gabe = people that got Shockeyy lynched. Shockeyy = red, therefore people that got the red lynched = green, thefore LSB + Gabe = Green. | ||
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Gabe + LSB threw the game away that town could of won... just needed LSB to be hit once, and Gabe to be hit twice to waste 2 night hits with 1 death, then M2 could of killed a mafia and you went 1:1 with the mafia and probably would of won the game... Now its way too late, game is over and it makes me sad that you gave up in the end when there was still a chance. Why? At least wait till its 100% over you never know what could happen. This was a disappointment for my first game, I was still reading you guys play and try to find the mafia and then this... You guys had a chance you could of won and now its 100% over simply because some people got pissy about their night not going the right way. It wasn't 100% over, was 95% over but you had a chance, and all you needed was the mafia to mess up once to give you the win. This is sad and disappointing all in one... I wanted to watch the town win it after such a hard beginning, you even nabbed a red... it might be 5/5/1 but it wasn't over yet. 3 mafia kp, 1 on LSB, 2 on Gabe means it would be 4/4/1, d3 hits mafia means its 4/3/1 vote to lynch 2, even if its 1 town 1 mafia means 3/2/1, night actions kill 2 town, d3 kills 1 mafia, its 1/1/1 mewtwo wins. Mewtwo victory, not mafia. Or 5/5/1 3 mafia kp, 1 on LSB, 2 on Gabe, means 4/4/1, d3 kills 1 mafia 4/3/1 vote lynch 2 mafia, 4/1/1 town wins. There were even other outs... mafia didn't win, town just threw the game away and lost... | ||
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I think this was a learning experience for me most like, I took away A LOT... here are just a few pointers at the way I played the game, that I want to see if anyone else thinks is right: 1) Never stop posting, as the days drew closer to an end, I would stop posting so that the mafia wouldn't think of me when thinking of who to hit. This was stupid for a few reasons, mainly I would end up not helping the top when they needed it (end of day), as well the mafia will hit who they notice throughout the thread not just someone who is missing for a few hours. 2) Less analysis, you don't need to quote every post someone makes, you just need to quote the important ones. I found that people were ignoring me simply because my posts were like 10 pages long. Next time just a couple posts will be quoted as evidence, and will use the rest of a players posts as back up. 3) I suck as chancy my protects were: N1 LSB (he talked a lot), N2 kavdragon (seemed like a good choice at the time), N3 LSB On N3 I tried to get the other chancey's to protect Gabriel and seraph... but people didn't listen (or were too inactive) to get the whole "LSB, Gabriel, Seraph are 100% green" aka protect these three people... maybe too subtle? - - - - Also a question, did anyone know I was a blue? I got FoS'ed like 4 times, never defended my self except vs DCL (who was mafia...) and no one even looked at it. I thought people thought I was green, but LSB knew I was a blue (although might be thinking too highly of LSBs powers) | ||
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On December 12 2010 03:19 Insanious wrote: Its not THAT you post, its WHAT you post... Even if you analyzed the game perfectly, named every Red, doesn't mean anything unless you can get people to listen to you. That was your problem, you don't get people to listen to you simply due to the structure of your posts. I can pick any random post by you and can point out why people didn't listen to you. Let's just go through a few shall we? On December 15 2010 05:57 Brocket wrote: Out from left field. I didn't see GGQ coming. I agree zeks would have been voted out day 1 because of kenpachi. Honestly if Gabriel wasn't here I'd vote him too. But I've already said kenpachi and jcarl lynched and dead as townies and gabriel's strong motive to FoS zeks to survive confound the zeks-is-scum argument. I want to see gabriel's identity, since he's failed to convince me from day 1 and the only recourse is by lynch. I am set on voting gabriel because I think he's mafia. I appreciate the people so far who voted with me for day 2 because that means they've read my posts and thought 'hey that Brocket dude is pretty handsome and makes a lot of sense'. If for some outlandish reason I am delirious and Gabe turns out to be townie, I invite suspicion upon myself and throw myself onto the sword. I will vote myself day 3 because I would know that nothing I said was productive at all and I would feel guilty that I got Gabe the 'helpful' townie lynched. But until that happens, it's vote 1 gabe. Vote him dead. What is this? Really, WHY? This is what you said "I don't care what people say, I'm voting Gabriel no matter what for rest of game until he is dead because of my gut feeling." This post, I randomly clicked on, was from relatively early-ish in the game (~600 posts in). This post makes me want to ignore your input for the rest of the game. I never even noticed it while playing, but if I did... This is post has 0 content for the thread, it doesn't add to your case against Gabe, it doesn't make anyone want to vote for him more... and guess what? You were wrong about Gabe who ended up becoming one of the strongest townies end of game. You could of just left it, like everyone else did... but instead you kept pushing for Gabe someone everyone else knew was innocent and wasted a lot of thread space and did nothing but detract from your credibility. If you would of just let the Gabe thing go, people would of listened to you more. You kept trying to kill a townie who was pretty much confirmed town from this point on, it just cluttered the thread with a useless FoS. On December 18 2010 10:06 Brocket wrote: Also my outburst for the DC bandwagon was inspired by your post in voting thread LSB, page 6. When you listed it, it had 3 on shock, 2 on dc, and 5 on d3. As it stands I'm happy if you vote shock or dc. Shock has reacted by saying he's medic. That's up to you if believe him. I'm sticking with DC. My picks are with DC or gabe, they both have eliminated their accusers in the past in this very game. I still am keen on lynching gabe in the future. Will this get me killed? Probably. But then I can be like a martyr so you can go hunt their asses down later. Just as proof that you never let it go, ~300 posts later in the thread you still want to kill Gabe. No one else does, just you. This also takes suspicion off of Shockeyy an actual scum. Your inability to let Gabe go almost killed one of our strongest allies and let our enemy past. This again makes people not want to listen to you. You need to move on and let things go, too many FoS is bad for the town, and focusing on Gabe for 300 posts when no one supports you is terrible play. On December 19 2010 02:48 Brocket wrote: When did I defend shockey or believe him? I just said it'll be unfortunate if shockey turned up medic after he claimed medic. I didn't ever say I believed him. Seriously quote me. Please. And when did I defend Shockey? , I told you guys to go ahead to vote Shockey, it's even in the damn post you quoted me saying. I personally chose DC because like gabe he has gone under the radar due to shit storms. I still think DC is scummy. Am I not allowed to think that when I have said multiple times that DC eliminated people accusing him and I thought he was a scummy target for eliminating his targets and trying to get rid of m2. Am I not right in saying if d3 is mewtwo then we can use him as townie? He gave up the game when he admitted it. He can't win until more mafia are dead. Does it not make sense then for mafia to use our day to lynch d3? D3 can't be killed unless it's a lynch. Why is it suspect if I want d3 to live a little longer? Again, tell me if I defended shockey or if I believed him. You won't find a quote because I sure as hell didn't say it. Either you've gone overboard with analyses or you're just scum trying to knock out a townie that you see as a threat LSB. I called you out on the shockey bandwagon. I told everybody that it was a random jump LSB. You didn't have analyses that time, there was not any evidence apart from amberlight vs shockey. As far as I'm concerned I don't believe a word you say. This post is like WTF? You don't defend your self... and you don't see HOW you defended Shockeyy. You defended him by trying to get Gabe lynched. Literally that was the defense you gave to Shockeyy. Your hardcore vendetta almost turned the noose to Gabe (town) instead of Shockeyy (Red). This is classic Red play, start a bandwaggon on someone that isn't red and get them killed. You don't defend the red, but you still save them. You ignore that LSB had done like 3 analysis of Shockeyy up to that point (on top of amber's analysis), and then you try to again point fingers to... Gabe and LSB WHO ARE CONFIRMED TOWN AT THIS POINT. You FoS 100% TOWN PLAYERS, there was 0% chance of them being red after the Shockeyy lynch. If you didn't leave them alone, you looked 100% red, and you just didn't see it, due to not letting it go that Gabe wasn't red... 400 posts in the thread later. Then you start to personally attack people, this takes your credibility from like 30% to 0. People don't respond well to personal attacks, and they are a sign of someone trapped in a corner. Usually this is red behavior. Brocket... you weren't listented to because: 1) You didn't let things go 2) You didn't post a lot of analysis, you didn't quote a lot of posts 3) You didn't let things go 4) You personally attacked people It had nothing to do with what you were saying, it had 100% to do with how you said it. People would of listened if you: 1) Never posted about Gabe again 2) Never personally attacked anyone in your posts Those two things would of made people listen, they didn't because they didn't think you could properly analyze the game with the way you were posting. 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