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On December 11 2010 13:42 Insanious wrote:
Do we lynch Kenpachi for his posting habbits, Gab for his out burst, Infun for his previous actions, LSB for trying to be the head of the town, or you for just angrily, randomly, accusing people of being scum.
The infun lynch is a joke btw. I'll switch my vote to kenpachi for now. See Tree-Hugger's post for reasoning.
On December 11 2010 13:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
While I still feel like it's to early for full blown analysis posts simply because there hasn't been much to analyze yet I must say that Kav's post actually brings up some good points on LSB. I'd like to hear more in depth from LSB about who he thinks we should lynch because after reading Kav's post I'm actually rather confused as to what LSB want's to do.
I think the gabriel lynch is junk. I've already stated my reasons why I believe it is so.
I'll address who to lynch in a later post kk?
On December 11 2010 14:39 tube wrote:
Look at his defense against Kav's [long] list of suspicions. He tries to answer for all of his posts by merely responding that they were all taken out of context. Nor does he even say what "specific purpose" any of those posts had. If those purposes were to answer questions, they had more of an effect of making him look like hes trying hard to come off as town. Though apparently we should see his purposes as "quiet obvious" to the point where he does not have to explain them. (or can't?)
Do you seriously want me to go through and explain to you every post? Pick a post. I'll explain it to you.
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First of all.
Gabriel If your going to accuse someone, please go through their posting history first. See how they played other games
On December 11 2010 22:48 Brocket wrote:
If you guys are gunning for kenpachi, then what about jcarlsoniv? It seems like they're a couple.
I was very suspicious on Jcarlsoniv, but I went through his games and he's playing pretty consistent.
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Useful information
People who haven't posted yet. (To Be Modkilled)
+ Show Spoiler +2. BrownBear
6. DarthThienAn
7. StormTemplar
12. ghrur
Gabriel Lynch (I apologize if you are not included on this
Supports
+ Show Spoiler +Kenpachi: OMGYS
jcarlsoniv
Meapak_Ziphh: Sheepish
Brocket: Sheep. Switched to being against the lynch
Eiii
dinmsab
Opposes
+ Show Spoiler +Gabriel
Insanious
LSB
Amber[LighT]
Oceanic
seRapH
Infundibulum
KtheZ
tree.hugger
Absent+ Show Spoiler +1. deconduo
4. GGQ
6. DarthThienAn
7. Stormtemplar
9. dinmsab
11. DCLXVI
12. Ghrur
14. Node
15. KtheZ
16. tube
17. chaoser
22. Shockeyy
23. seRapH
24. Kavdragon
27. Hesmyrr
29. kitaman27
30. d3_crescentia
31. zeks
I'm supporting the Kenpachi lynch because I don't like how quickly Jcarlsoniv turned it into a bandwagon.
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As weird as Gabriel's play is -- I still highly doubt that he's mafia, there's no way scum would draw so much attention to themselves -- I agree completely with his analysis of zeks. I'm still curious about the "infun slip ups" line, which has yet to be clarified. Also, I think the "stop overreacting" and "don't go apeshit" lines were excellent catches, as they were put down after zeks deflected pressure. For those who don't know, a classic scumtell is defending oneself and acting guilty when there aren't people attacking you. Scum, after all, has something to be guilty about while townies do not.
I'd also like to draw everybody's attention to Eiii, who has been posting in an incredibly scummy fashion.
On December 11 2010 16:58 Eiii wrote:
...gabes posts are so blatantly bad I'm actually starting to have a hard time believing they could possibly be authored by scum. o_O
On December 11 2010 17:10 Eiii wrote:
holy shit
Gabriel Mafia: The game where it doesn't matter that your arguments are logically consistent, or that they're accurate, or even that they make any sense at all! As long as you have a long post to make so it looks like you're trying really really hard, congrats! You're absolved of potentially being mafia. Next suspect!
What, exactly, are these supposed to contribute? They do absolutely nothing as far as actually refuting gabriel's arguments, but instead continue to pile shit on him by calling his posts bad. It does zero for the actual discussion at hand. To me, it screams scum attempting to deflect a lynch.
For now, I'm going to be putting my vote on zeks. If he turns up scum, I think we have been given excellent candidates for the lynch on day 2.
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I don't think that gabe is mafia. Why? Because mafia want to be as non-confrontational as possible on day 1 when there are no clues/elections. Mafia loooove when 2 townies start fighting, as they can spread their votes around. They don't need to do any manipulation. For an example, look at the first Salem lynch between kenpachi and BrownBear. If the lynch is going between a townie and a mafia, then the mafia have to start dropping votes on the townie and that is bad for them.
There seems to be a case against zeks, gonna read over some of his posts now. Kenpachi has looked scummy in EVERY single game he plays. Seriously, he's impossible to read.
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On December 12 2010 00:16 deconduo wrote:
There seems to be a case against zeks, gonna read over some of his posts now. Kenpachi has looked scummy in EVERY single game he plays. Seriously, he's impossible to read.
Zeks pretty scummy from what I remember in other games. Then again he was SK.
I've voting for Kenpachi because I don't like how immediately he got strong support from Jcarlsoniv, and how lots of people ignored what Gabriel was talking about, and immediatly jumped the bandwagon.
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There wasn't much to ignore when a lot of what Gabriel said wasn't making much sense. Gabriel had to explain himself again multiple times. As I said it was a vote for reason the very first time I posted in this thread. He seemed like mafia trying to blab a bunch of nonsense to being an outspoken and inconsistent townsie.
Also I don't like being called sheep. As soon as I have good reason to vote someone I vote. Colour me offended.
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On December 12 2010 00:36 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 00:16 deconduo wrote:
There seems to be a case against zeks, gonna read over some of his posts now. Kenpachi has looked scummy in EVERY single game he plays. Seriously, he's impossible to read.
Zeks pretty scummy from what I remember in other games. Then again he was SK. I've voting for Kenpachi because I don't like how immediately he got strong support from Jcarlsoniv, and how lots of people ignored what Gabriel was talking about, and immediatly jumped the bandwagon.
Lol you only remember that one game when I was SK and got super unlucky
Fact I've actually never been scum before in the 7 or 8 games I've played in TL history.
Anyways I'm still pushing for an inactive lynch and I intend to stay with stormtemplar barring any new compelling evidence against someone.
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On December 11 2010 23:58 Node wrote:
As weird as Gabriel's play is -- I still highly doubt that he's mafia, there's no way scum would draw so much attention to themselves
And I supposedly placed the first "bandwagon" vote on infun which resulted to attention to myself.
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I think we should focus on this Kenpachi/Gabe thing first before anything else. I'll try to reread the thread before the vote but one thing town shouldn't do is too many things at the same time. It's very easy to get lost in five multiple accusations and helps mafia create chaos cause then they can start adding in accusations without fear and it all goes to shit.
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A wild DarthThienAn has appeared!
Hey guys... srysry been busy and didn't want to start reading until I could do it all at once (the weekend).
Some random thoughts-
Gabriel: tbh, I don't think he's mafia. He's being a semi-terrible townie by stirring up controversy for no reason, but at least it's generating some posting and such. Aside from that... I'm not sure I can imagine a mafia player being so outrageously bad day 1. And in this game, we're scumhunting, not policy lynching, even if it means leaving a troublemaker alive.
Hesmyrr: gotta agree with d3 and Inf here, feels like he's just been throwing "im watching" posts here and there. His first post made me think he was gonna story-troll this game, but apparently not =[. The one thing saving him is that this is just his style of play, mafia or not, so it's not really an indication as to whether or not he's mafia (iirc).
Kenpachi: Someone brought up a good point, Kenpachi might not be posting all that much content, but that's how he played when he was a medic in Salem as well.
LSB: Someone to keep an eye - his early play reminds me of mine when I was mafia mayor that one time. But I don't want to condemn him right off the bat when there are so many other good targets (zeks/Kenpachi)
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@Gabriel: Really good analysis on zeks. Don't know how some kids are saying it's bad. Might vote him if I don't read anything to make me think otherwise/I don't vote for Kenpachi. Question though. Why do you refer to yourself in the third person so often?
On December 12 2010 01:31 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 23:58 Node wrote:
As weird as Gabriel's play is -- I still highly doubt that he's mafia, there's no way scum would draw so much attention to themselves And I supposedly placed the first "bandwagon" vote on infun which resulted to attention to myself.
Voting zeks for now.
Basically, right now we should be deciding between zeks and Kenpachi. I'm more tempted to think that Kenpachi is just bad, versus zeks, who I know is decent but is posting suspiciously. Most notably, his "overcompensating," as Gabriel pointed out.
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On December 11 2010 23:36 LSB wrote:Useful information People who haven't posted yet. (To Be Modkilled) + Show Spoiler +2. BrownBear
6. DarthThienAn
7. StormTemplar
12. ghrur
Gabriel Lynch (I apologize if you are not included on this Supports+ Show Spoiler +Kenpachi: OMGYS
jcarlsoniv
Meapak_Ziphh: Sheepish
Brocket: Sheep. Switched to being against the lynch
Eiii
dinmsab Gabriel
Insanious
LSB
Amber[LighT]
Oceanic
seRapH
Infundibulum
KtheZ
tree.hugger Absent + Show Spoiler +1. deconduo
4. GGQ
6. DarthThienAn
7. Stormtemplar
9. dinmsab
11. DCLXVI
12. Ghrur
14. Node
15. KtheZ
16. tube
17. chaoser
22. Shockeyy
23. seRapH
24. Kavdragon
27. Hesmyrr
29. kitaman27
30. d3_crescentia
31. zeks I'm supporting the Kenpachi lynch because I don't like how quickly Jcarlsoniv turned it into a bandwagon.
It seems im both opposing AND absent. :/
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I'm gonna let BrownBear slide since he replaced nbtnb5 as far as inactive modkills are concerned. DarthThienAn, ghrur, and StormTemplar will be shown NO MERCY.
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Alright, I want to point out one thing. While I do think Gabriel has been very scummy, I am not completely convinced that he is scum. I find it odd that scum would be out in the spotlight like that. Keeping votes on him proved a very effective way to get him to talk.
To answer Gabriel: I do find zeks scummy as well, but it is possible to keep focuses on multiple players.
I honestly hadn't noticed the things about Kenpachi that had been brought up, and I assure you that our connection is pure coincidence. However, after reading TreeHugger's post, he does seem very scummy. I can definitely see him flipping scum on the lynch. Also:
On December 11 2010 17:28 Gabriel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 17:18 tree.hugger wrote:Apologies to everyone for my lack of participation. As is easily verified, I've been sitting on 3999 posts for several days, and trying to write two major essays and my 4000th post at the same time, so it's been a little awkward. That said, this really hasn't been a particularly eventful day so far, so I've caught up easily. Firstly: On December 11 2010 12:31 Kavdragon wrote:
Oh, and that's why I'm voting LSB. In case that wasn't clear. Please don't put your entire posts in green. Makes it impossible to read. Your post was noticable enough because of it's length, and green text has a purpose, so don't abuse that. Anyway, we should probably lynch a TR member this first round and, we've got an obvious mafia to lynch in Kenpachi, so we should probably go take it. + Show Spoiler [Kenpachi Archive] +On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote:
oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote:
Pikachu - Townie
Raichu - Miller
Chansey - Medic
Cloyster - Veteran
Alakazam - Detective
Electrode - Mad Hatter
Mew - Special Detective
Gengar - God Father
Koffing - Mafia Grunt
Weezing - Mafia Shrink
Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante
notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote:
yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote:
how many people can Mafia target per night? On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course  I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think On December 10 2010 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:13 KtheZ wrote:
Do we have a limited amount of double lynches? I think its 2. On December 10 2010 11:30 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote:
Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain
A) your vote
B) your deep posts?
what? On December 10 2010 11:34 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote:Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain A) your vote B) your deep posts? + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote:
oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote:
Pikachu - Townie
Raichu - Miller
Chansey - Medic
Cloyster - Veteran
Alakazam - Detective
Electrode - Mad Hatter
Mew - Special Detective
Gengar - God Father
Koffing - Mafia Grunt
Weezing - Mafia Shrink
Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante
notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote:
yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote:
how many people can Mafia target per night? On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think On December 10 2010 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:13 KtheZ wrote:
Do we have a limited amount of double lynches? I think its 2. what would posting history 4 hours into the game show you? On December 10 2010 11:44 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 11:40 Gabriel wrote:On December 10 2010 11:34 Kenpachi wrote:On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote:Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain A) your vote B) your deep posts? + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote:
oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote:
Pikachu - Townie
Raichu - Miller
Chansey - Medic
Cloyster - Veteran
Alakazam - Detective
Electrode - Mad Hatter
Mew - Special Detective
Gengar - God Father
Koffing - Mafia Grunt
Weezing - Mafia Shrink
Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante
notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote:
yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote:
how many people can Mafia target per night? On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think On December 10 2010 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:13 KtheZ wrote:
Do we have a limited amount of double lynches? I think its 2. what would posting history 4 hours into the game show you? A) You dont want to be active posting B) You want to "look" active C) You read the rules but you actually dont know mafia KP? That was rare. D) You dont want to lynch inactives because that doesnt work. E) You want enlightment. F) You vote for me out of literally nowhere. I mean: i post to flip Infundibulum and you come right after me. Care to explain at least? A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. On December 10 2010 12:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 11:57 Gabriel wrote:On December 10 2010 11:44 Kenpachi wrote:On December 10 2010 11:40 Gabriel wrote:On December 10 2010 11:34 Kenpachi wrote:On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote:Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain A) your vote B) your deep posts? + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote:
oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote:
Pikachu - Townie
Raichu - Miller
Chansey - Medic
Cloyster - Veteran
Alakazam - Detective
Electrode - Mad Hatter
Mew - Special Detective
Gengar - God Father
Koffing - Mafia Grunt
Weezing - Mafia Shrink
Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante
notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote:
yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote:
how many people can Mafia target per night? On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think On December 10 2010 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:13 KtheZ wrote:
Do we have a limited amount of double lynches? I think its 2. what would posting history 4 hours into the game show you? A) You dont want to be active posting B) You want to "look" active C) You read the rules but you actually dont know mafia KP? That was rare. D) You dont want to lynch inactives because that doesnt work. E) You want enlightment. F) You vote for me out of literally nowhere. I mean: i post to flip Infundibulum and you come right after me. Care to explain at least? A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. A) Well you just wrote 7 one liners and have yet to post something relevant. B) But you are NOT. It is not about how you look. Come on that is not an argument, so you post one liners to look active? what is that? Sparta? C) Well you actually read the rules because you posted the pokemon/classicmafia relation. I wonder why you just couldnt look for the mafia KP, and insisted to look clueless asking for it. D) It doesnt? well you were pretty much inactive and so was Infundibulum. Maybe it does. E) You think too much. You have again 2 posts where you "think" about this "think" about that, when it is clear that those post refer to info available in the opening rules. This heavily smells like "im not too sure, i dont know" plot. F) So you agree that you are protecting infundibulum by voting me: More reason to flip him!. A) There isnt much to post in the beginning, due to low information and lack of suspicion. B) I am not what? I posted in the beginning to "look" active because i have a history of lurking. C) You are still assuming i read the rules. Did i read or skim it? Did i read it but pass the KP? I posted that in the thread for people who also didnt know to possibly take a burden off many people. D)Idk man. you found a bunch of posts in the beginning and call me inactive? Refer to B). Why am i posting to "look" active? E) "I think its 2." hey i only played 1 game with Double Lynch before. F) your logic is flawed. i can vote for anyone i want to and im defending Infundibulum by not voting for him. Why do you think youre gonna be the main bandwagon from 1 vote? On December 11 2010 15:20 Kenpachi wrote:
So, i didnt vote Gabe to start a bandwagon on him.. was mainly a placeholder but after his responses, i decided i wont be switching my vote. If I had a nickle for every useful thing Kenpachi said for the town, I'd be broke. This is pretty basic mafia stuff here, no substantive accusations, and some aimless FoSing on Gabriel, which has turned into a mini-wagon. Specifically note Kenpachi actually disowning the bandwagon that he created in the last post, because he doesn't want to commit to anything. From the beginning, Kenpachi has been particularly useless, not commenting on or committing to plans, even as they're being discussed under his nose. His strategy is pretty clearly non-committal, and every single post of his just highlights the fact that he's not saying something useful. I know this basic formula well, because I used it in the game that Ver analyzed. I was killed by BM being bad, but lets kill Kenpachi day one, so we don't have to put up with this anymore. My problem so far with lynching Kenpachi is that i really think he is not Green but he may as well be Blue. As someone already stated i was actually triyng to get some reaction from him (so it is not really like im doing mafias work) and to direct somw attention for a RC. Im not ready to lynch Kenpachi (and i never advokated to lynch him). Honeslty zeks is far away a better target for now.
If Kenpachi is lynched and flips red, take another look at Gabriel. This is a decently strong defense of Kenpachi by Gabriel, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they are scumbuddies.
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I have received the PM, so no need to let me slide for inactive-modkill anyway.
Seeing as I just showed up and don't really know what is going on, I am voting for myself atm, I will read the thread and see what I can see.
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asdf. even when i post, i get pointed scum
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okay so yea my posts were bad but what can i say? i couldnt offer anything there and there. So i voted Gabriel for blatant bandwagon. Then he reacts and i defend.
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On December 12 2010 02:30 Kenpachi wrote:
asdf. even when i post, i get pointed scum
Its kind of funny. You are like an automatic public miller no matter what your role is 
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On December 12 2010 02:27 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote tree.hugger
Care to explain? Tree.Hugger may have accused you, but a reactive vote like this doesn't help your case imo.
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Ok I'm going to remove my vote from Gabriel and put it on zeks.
@Gabriel, you didn't stop me from voting you, other people did. If all I had to work on were your posts than I would lynch you in a heartbeat but LSB and tree.hugger have convinced me otherwise.
@Kenpachi, your last couple of posts have been worse than Gabes but I'm going to go off of previous experience and say that this is how you play in general. This is close enough to how you played in insane for me to feel comfortable letting you live.
@zeks, never played a game with you but due to darth and (surprise surprise) gabe, I'm more inclined to think you're scum than anyone else on this list.
@All other, I have one or two other people who I'm keeping an eye on but they haven't moved me to accuse them yet.
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