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Shockeyy, I was going to call out Amber, but then I read his early game posts and found no problem with them. Whereas for you... I read one post. If you don't want to be of suspicion contribute more... and make it so that it isn't just you defending yourself or revenge voting against us. As for LSB, I don't think he has enough attention on him as he advocated things I didn't really agree with overall. Please don't take my posts out of context to do make us seem like bed-buddies.
I seriously SERIOUSLY disagree with double lynching tomorrow. Do we have good candidates yet? I might reconsider if we can confirm at least ONE.
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On December 15 2010 08:46 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 08:32 BrownBear wrote:
I am here, voting for myself again because I'm not superconvinced by any arguments so far. That said, having Hesmyrr as a (mostly) confirmed town voice is nice. That is seriously all you have to say? What is not convincing? Do you have any better alternatives??
Let's vote BrownBear instead. Y/N?
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@Kavdragon, I would agree with your analysis of Amber, except that *I* started with a Shockeyy vote. At that point in time we had a total of exactly FIVE votes. You might consider it late in the day, but I'm not satisfied with a town vote on one candidate. Of course it troubles me that my actions could split the vote so late, but what was even more troubling is that we had an entire town willing to go with Zeks based entirely on Day 1 discussion, and very little to go on for Day 2. Someone has to take the lead here.
Secondly, Zeks might very well turn out green and if we have 100% of town voting them, there's absolutely nothing to analyze. As it stands it looks more likely that Gabriel is scum, not me, as he seemingly dodged another lynch today. Are my actions indicative that I did so to derail his wagon, considering only a few people followed? Maybe you should consider the other 9+ people voting on Zeks right now instead.
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On December 15 2010 11:46 LSB wrote:ShoCkey Previous Game Analysis Caller's Red Army Mafyia: Role: Medic Posted 99% one liners. Got angry and warned for flaming. Mafia XVI: Role: Townie: Takes positions, especially on Xelin. Defends himself mostly civily. Mostly one-liners. + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2010 08:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 08:34 QuickStriker wrote:On January 21 2010 08:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On January 21 2010 08:17 QuickStriker wrote:On January 21 2010 08:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
O_o we haven't started yet right? Uhh... yes we did??? And like no one is around to discuss and talk about the game in contrast to the other mafia game where it's way more active.... =/ Well I posted in the voting thread already since I couldn't find it till now ._. Hmm... well welcome!!! Glad to have at least one more active member of our little town.... it seems the mafias have put some poison gas or some sort of gas which is why everyone is silent or sleeping right now.... o.O Well QuickStriker, I will support you in this. I don't think you're the Mafia. Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 17:01 XeliN wrote:On January 20 2010 12:52 no_re wrote:Well hi everyone, my first mafia game, not entirely sure how it works so bare with me if Im doing it wrong, however relating to the "clues" posted everyday here is what I got from the above entry. My first thought when dissecting the post was this rather obvious quote: With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. A quick attack? Well with a player named QuickStriker in the game this looks like a kind of obvious clue. Also he was the first to respond to the first Sheriff Candidacy anouncement of Fulgrim, drawing attention to himself being "amused" by Fulgrim's "I'm not a mafia" comment. This intruiged me. I think that analysis overall was extremely good, from reading up on some earlier Mafia games it seems that the host often likes the come up with elaborate or entertaining deaths. This in itself makes the " With a quick attack " stand out far more in my eyes, and somewhat exonerates the other as possibly just being a whimsical choice by the host. In all honesty this by itself is enough to make me fairly suspicious and Quickstriker I am still more suspicious when I see some of what you have typed. In particular your reaction to no_re's non-serious accusation where you are essentially saying we must "hold off any action untill the DT comes forward and leads us through the valley of death and into the promised land" - I paraphrased, This however, as far as I can tell is an exceptionally bad strategy, the point of electing a mayor or sherrif is someone who seems active, discerning and importantly decisive, and your suggestion of sit and wait reeks to me on manipulation at an early stage. p.s. am i doin it rite? I think Xelin is the Mafia. He's already accusing you of being mafia even though the game hasn't started. Not only that, he's trying to submit himself as the Mayor, trying to find his way around from being lynched off. He knows that if he is able to be the mayor, then we're screwed. On January 21 2010 09:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Hmm, I don't like this whole vote for me thing. Seems fishy, and especially the way he words it. He tries to win you over, so he can make sure he wins. I like his style no lie. But I won't be able to vote for him. Laaan, sorry, but my vote remains the same.
All you out of towners better stay in ya'll wreckin area. We don't like you hippie folks round hea. On January 22 2010 00:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok, so I see some of you think I should be lynched. Well for one, I'm typing off my phone, so bare with me. Second, I voted for quikstriker, cause he seems like the right canidate for the mayor position out of everyone else here who is trying to be mayor. I rather choose some one who didn't impose themselves into trying to be mayor. Brings me to my reason as to why I would want xelin lynched.
Xelin saw that quikstriker was being the most helpful in this thread. He didn't like that, so he quickly picks quikstriker to be lynched. Then soon after post that he wants to be mayor, the reason as to why I don't want to vote for some one that says "I'm running for mayor." They seem more fake than anybody else here. Now I can tell you, I vote for xelin to be lynched 75% of the way.
The other 25% go to those who are quietly coming in that have watched us argue about who to lynch first. I feel like they watched us bicker to see and now that we have some what of an idea who we're going to lynch first. Now the mafia come in to back them up so we an lynch a townie. Which brings me to my other conclusion. Decafchicken I'm watching you. And one more that Shockeyy left out TL Mafia XVIII: Role: Mafia: Shockey was under heavy clue suspicion. He responded mostly civilly. However, most noticeably Shockey has essentially only one post that isn't either spam or defending himself (included below). Shockey shys away from taking any positions, besides defending himself. + Show Spoiler +On February 28 2010 07:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I think it's pretty clear right now that the town should not be voting to kill Scamp. He is right in that at best all L has is some shaky clue analysis. In fact, most of L's clue analysis is directed at other players (Chez, johnny, me) and not at Scamp, go read his posts if you don't believe me.
Something I've noticed is that Scamp has actually taken the time to legitimately defend himself. I remember when we were going to lynch Mystlord, he hardly said a thing and most of what he said only incriminated him more. Right now the only thing incriminating Scamp is L. Also when QS was going to be lynched he came up with the stupid modkill plan that had no way working. Scamp hasn't tried to pull anything of that caliber. It seems to me he's arguing as a townsperson.
To the town, L has already convinced you to lynch our Mayor/medic. What's going to happen when Scamp turns up innocent? We'll be in a bigger mindfuck than we are right now. tree.hugger is clearly the safer vote right now. It's no doubt that if Scamp does not get lynched, L will continue to incriminate him. If Scamp is indeed mafia, he's going to slip up somewhere. Do you agree? Or any objections?
For context, was Scamp on his team? Were they in a losing position? A winning position? This doesn't actually say shit until we know what the history was in that game.
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Day should end now so I can go to sleep ^_^
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but it's not gonna so I'm going to sleep >_<
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On December 15 2010 18:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I just wanna say I'm delighted at how not spammy this game has been.
I'm not. Means that there isn't adequate discussion or finger-pointing to get anywhere.
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Zeks voters where you at? Oh right, below:
zeks
Gabriel
DCLXVI
GGQ
kitaman27
Insanious
DarthThienAn
Infundibulum
chaoser
Oceanic
Eiii
KtheZ
Node
ghrur
Gabriel
Brocket
ShoCkeyy
dinmsab
deconduo
Kavdragon
Shockeyy
d3_crescentia
Amber[LighT]
LSB
Brownbear
Brownbear
SerapH
SerapH
Pandain?
tube
LSB
Cross-examine with yesterday's vote list:
Hesmyrr 1
d3_crescentia
LSB 1
tube
Gabriel 1
dinmsab
Stormtemplar 1
zeks
ghrur 1
ghrur
Zeks 11
Gabriel
KtheZ
Infundibulum
Node
DarthThienAn
Meapak_Ziphh
chaoser
Hesmyrr?
Kenpachi
GGQ
Oceanic
kenpachi 12
tree.hugger
deconduo
Insanious
Brocket
LSB
jcarlsoniv
DCLXVI
Kavdragon
ShoCkeyy
seRapH
Amber[LighT]
Eiii
kitaman27 1
kitaman27
BrownBear 1
BrownBear
Please note that RoL did not vote Day 1 and is now dead. Analysis inc
PS I think my tags are screwy.
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Important things to note on this list:
Inactives/single votes
There is absolutely no way we can continue voting in onesies because it makes analysis too hard. Of these on Day 1 we have: Brownbear, kitaman27, ghrur, dinmsab, and tube. Their actions on Day 2: Brownbear, tube (also note that in the above list tube should be voting for LSB, not the other way around), dinmsab with no change. Brownbear's inactivity is terrible and his presence isn't good for the town at all. As for the other two, dinmsab has voted for Gabriel twice and the same for tube -> LSB. If either of these two strongly believe in their votes then they should be in the thread actively promoting their viewpoint instead of sitting back passively; otherwise they might as well be scum.
The meat: Zeks
You might note that the Zeks list is virtually identical between Day 1 and 2, with the exception of Hesmyrr/Pandain and kitaman27/Insanious/Eiii jumping ship from elsewhere. Insanious wasted a lot of time sticking his neck out in a tree-hugger analysis; Eiii is not necessarily scum given his last-minute vote on zeks Day 1; kitaman27 played fairly aggressive pro-town in the beginning but has fallen silent since. For now, we shouldn't care too much about these people.
The rest of the list (and a brief summary of posts):
DCLXVI - not much contribution here as far as targets; just a bunch of fluff
GGQ - makes a few points wrt Zeks (I found them uncompelling, but maybe that's hindsight)
chaoser - some early game discussion and defense of Kenpachi; has cited finals
Oceanic - early defense of infundibulum/anti-Gabriel; has cited finals
KtheZ - early agreement/defense of Gabriel and then vanished
Node - points out LSB, agrees with Gabriel wrt Zeks, believes Hesmyrr's (now Pandain's) roleclaim
ghrur - agreement with Node on LSB
I'm going to take the other three (Gabriel, DarthThienAn, Infundibulum) separately and get back to it tonight. Stay tuned for one more post...
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I don't pretend I'm good at analysis; in fact I'm probably trash terrible at it. Shortened because I have to go to work soon -_-
Here's what I noticed about the Zeks list in particular:
- Much of the voting comes from Gabriel's early game analysis of Zeks. While Gabriel himself could be whatever, at least one of his supporters IS scum. Let's work on analyzing Gabriel and his early-game followers.
- The discussion between DCLXVI and chaoser wrt to Kenpachi is particularly telling. Chaoser's defense is along the lines of "Kenpachi just posts that way" while DCLXVI's responses are "yeah but if he WERE mafia it'd be so easy for him to hide!" Something about this just doesn't strike me as particularly innocent on DCLXVI's part, as he seems to be posting an unnecessary defense of himself when Kenpachi died, and a lot of "we should do/have done X" statements recently. His vote for zeks isn't particularly well-justified; in fact it's a bit of a 180-degree turn as he suddenly shifted from "Kenpachi is scum" to "scum must have bandwagoned Kenpachi in the end to save zeks!" (Post on this sometime tonight as well)
Okay, off to work. Hope that's enough for you guys to chew on for tomorrow. Someone else come up with a night plan? In general, Gabriel might be good to check; DTA/Inf as well; DCLXVI cuz I think so. Medics protect who you can/find most compelling.
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On December 15 2010 22:38 flamewheel wrote:
lol post
quiet you
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On December 16 2010 03:28 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 22:49 d3_crescentia wrote:
I don't pretend I'm good at analysis; in fact I'm probably trash terrible at it. Shortened because I have to go to work soon -_-
Here's what I noticed about the Zeks list in particular:
- Much of the voting comes from Gabriel's early game analysis of Zeks. While Gabriel himself could be whatever, at least one of his supporters IS scum. Let's work on analyzing Gabriel and his early-game followers.
- The discussion between DCLXVI and chaoser wrt to Kenpachi is particularly telling. Chaoser's defense is along the lines of "Kenpachi just posts that way" while DCLXVI's responses are "yeah but if he WERE mafia it'd be so easy for him to hide!" Something about this just doesn't strike me as particularly innocent on DCLXVI's part, as he seems to be posting an unnecessary defense of himself when Kenpachi died, and a lot of "we should do/have done X" statements recently. His vote for zeks isn't particularly well-justified; in fact it's a bit of a 180-degree turn as he suddenly shifted from "Kenpachi is scum" to "scum must have bandwagoned Kenpachi in the end to save zeks!" (Post on this sometime tonight as well)
Okay, off to work. Hope that's enough for you guys to chew on for tomorrow. Someone else come up with a night plan? In general, Gabriel might be good to check; DTA/Inf as well; DCLXVI cuz I think so. Medics protect who you can/find most compelling. Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say. I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy. Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me.
Okay, I get it. You're just a trash poster, scum or not.
On December 10 2010 15:09 DCLXVI wrote:
Alright just read the thread. All I have to say is fuck you Team Rocket, Oak is the best character in the game. How did TR even manage to sneak up on him? Oak can tell from halfway around the world when you get on a bike, but he can't see a few clumsy TR members?
Seriously though, I am confused by gabriel. he makes some decent points about hesmyrr looking active but no content and infund's poor logic, but then he supports his points terribly. He attacks everyone who responds to him and then ragequits. Then the people he attacked + brocket vote him. Not sure if brocket is a newbie or is scum jumping on a free bandwagon. I need to read though the thread a few times more to get a clear view of what is going on, but I would like to hear some more posts on why gabriel/brocket/hesmyrr/infund are posting the way they are, not just people jumping on one side or the other.
Early in the game - a call for more discussion. This isn't particularly scummy yet.
On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town.
Restatement of what tree.hugger/Insanious said; no real contribution of his own.
On December 12 2010 15:21 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 14:44 chaoser wrote:
Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment. I did my best, I have no regrets Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen. @Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time. I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers. 
Post-death justification when one was NOT NEEDED. We all knew Kenpachi was a trash poster in the first place (or at least I did) and that his death would not be missed. No one accused you of anything, so why bother to defend yourself? Because of some inner need to appear innocent at all times, perhaps?
On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote:
With the number of swing votes that happened last time, I think that it is very likely that some scum jumped on the kenpachi bandwagon to save zeks. Not that Gabriel is posting any better, but I think that it is more likely that zeks is scum.
@amber
I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died.
and I loled at one inactive accusing another.
And for those of us that have some BRAINS we realized that Zeks fell into the same category of posting as Kenpachi - trash terrible, but nonetheless a waste of a lynch. Also, if you bothered to do any THINKING at all you'd realize that it's in the best interest of Mewtwo to play town-aligned in the early game. Why are you interested in finding Mewtwo unless you were RED and worried about yourself?
On December 15 2010 05:39 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 05:31 Brocket wrote:
I guess if a detective (alakazam or mew) wants to check me out that could be productive. I'll show up as either a true townie or a gengar pretending to be one. Chansey's honestly should just use their prevention on whoever they want to keep in and if they decide that they themselves are the most valuable then so be it. Give gabe/zeks a scan too if they survive the day vote and future night attacks.
I could be a blue. Or a townie pretending to be a blue. Would it matter too much to the town if I was killed off by mafia? I sort of think of it as taking one for the team so the blues can get a night off.
I could be mafia. I think I'd like to be just a koffing. I wouldn't know who to sleep as a weezing. I talk a lot as you can see but I try to be productive without any hard evidence (then again who does?).
As far as mewtwo is concerned, he's just a wild card that confuses the night attacks and he's more likely to kill townies than mafia the first few nights until our numbers sufficiently dwindle. Sad but true.
tl,dr; Hey guys I'm trying to confuse the town and withhold information but that's ok because I'm town or maybe I'm not but thats fine maybe blues should do what I tell them but maybe not because that could be bad and maybe mewtwo is bad for us now but good later so lets not worry aboutanything.
Nice, finally some condescension. Too bad it isn't an actual push for a lynch. If you're not scum you're still being too fucking lazy about this, and if you are - well, that's the perfect level of sneerage to detract from your own posting.
On December 15 2010 15:54 DCLXVI wrote:@LSB While I like your idea of forming up a list of all the inactive/scummy players and then using dt's (or mad H's) on them, I don't think that it is a viable strategy now. A list like that would have to include around 85% of the players. In fact I'll whip one up right now: + Show Spoiler +1. deconduo
2. BrownBear
3. Eiii
4. GGQ
5. LSB
6. DarthThienAn
7. RebirthOfLeGenD (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill)
8. Amber[LighT]
9. dinmsab
10. jcarlsoniv (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill)
11. DCLXVI
12. Ghrur
13. Kenpachi (Pikachu, Day 1 Lynch)
14. Node
15. KtheZ
16. tube
17. chaoser
18. Oceanic
19. Gabriel
20. Insanious
21. Meapak_Ziphh (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill)
22. Shockeyy
23. seRapH
24. Kavdragon
25. tree.hugger (Electrode, Night 1 Kill
26. Infundibulum
27. Pandain
28. Brocket
29. kitaman27
30. d3_crescentia
31. zeks Right now I am trying to get more active, but as far as I see there are about 5 seriously active players. That is why we cannot have the medics self protect like you asked tonight. Night one mafia+M2 took out 3 of the most active players, and I would bet that they will continue that trend tonight. We desperately need every last active player, so unless the medics themselves are high priority targets for the mafia, they should not self protect. I am not trying to open up the medics to be hit, but lets be reasonable. What motive does the mafia have to try to hit random lurking blues over the few active players? Not to mention if they hit mew, they are pretty much screwed. Medics please decide who you want to live and lead our scum hunting tomorrow, Dts follow your gut, same with electrodes. Vets just be tough It would be nice to have some dt's give us information in 2 days (three night checks) so that we know about 1/2 of the alignments with some room for error with millers / GF / fake claims. We could hope for ~2 scum revealed this way, with maybe one fake claimed scum. (all numbers estimated in my head with my assumptions, check yourself) However I think we need to see how desperate our plight is come that time, maybe it will not be necessary then. On the other hand, Double lynching is becoming increasingly necessary. With our multiple bandwagons forming and splitting each vote, it looks like the mafia is having an easy time pulling votes off their team and sending townies to the noose. If we lose to many more townies tonight we won't be able to control the lynch very well in the coming days. We need to take advantage the DL to try and catch back up against the mafia's kills. That is something we seriously need to consider and vote on tomorrow depending on the night kills and the level of town activity come tomorrow morning. I want to see the night kills before I comment on potential scummy players tomorrow. Good night, and make sure you are well prepared for any multiples of trouble.
Nice general advice. Doesn't really say much except "Maybe on Day 5 DTs should reveal all they know," not accounting for the fact that the Mafia will target those that the DTs check. Maybe the DTs will check inactive players, but what's to stop the mafia from counterclaiming with their own fake DT and sowing more chaos? There needs to be a better plan than just "in 3 days let's reveal." Of course, I realize that you yourself don't have much confidence in this plan of yours, seeing as how it's just plain terrible for town. Or you might just be TR putting thoughts in our mind.
So step up and defend yourself, or I'll be putting my vote on you first thing come Day.
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On December 16 2010 10:35 LSB wrote:
If I die, check out Shocky, D3, and Brocket
I'm pretty sure I'm not TR. The other two might be worth a look though.
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No more FoS. At this rate the discussion isn't going to get anywhere if we just keep pointing FoS at each other and do NOTHING with our votes. My current candidates to consider for TR, in no particular order, are:
DCLXVI
Infundibulum
Kavdragon
Brownbear
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On December 16 2010 12:49 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 10:19 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 03:28 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 22:49 d3_crescentia wrote:
I don't pretend I'm good at analysis; in fact I'm probably trash terrible at it. Shortened because I have to go to work soon -_-
Here's what I noticed about the Zeks list in particular:
- Much of the voting comes from Gabriel's early game analysis of Zeks. While Gabriel himself could be whatever, at least one of his supporters IS scum. Let's work on analyzing Gabriel and his early-game followers.
- The discussion between DCLXVI and chaoser wrt to Kenpachi is particularly telling. Chaoser's defense is along the lines of "Kenpachi just posts that way" while DCLXVI's responses are "yeah but if he WERE mafia it'd be so easy for him to hide!" Something about this just doesn't strike me as particularly innocent on DCLXVI's part, as he seems to be posting an unnecessary defense of himself when Kenpachi died, and a lot of "we should do/have done X" statements recently. His vote for zeks isn't particularly well-justified; in fact it's a bit of a 180-degree turn as he suddenly shifted from "Kenpachi is scum" to "scum must have bandwagoned Kenpachi in the end to save zeks!" (Post on this sometime tonight as well)
Okay, off to work. Hope that's enough for you guys to chew on for tomorrow. Someone else come up with a night plan? In general, Gabriel might be good to check; DTA/Inf as well; DCLXVI cuz I think so. Medics protect who you can/find most compelling. Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say. I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy. Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me. Okay, I get it. You're just a trash poster, scum or not. WTF? Did you read what I posted? I accuse you of changing the meaning of my posts and you call me a trash poster? How does this have any relevance to what I posted? On December 10 2010 15:09 DCLXVI wrote:
Alright just read the thread. All I have to say is fuck you Team Rocket, Oak is the best character in the game. How did TR even manage to sneak up on him? Oak can tell from halfway around the world when you get on a bike, but he can't see a few clumsy TR members?
Seriously though, I am confused by gabriel. he makes some decent points about hesmyrr looking active but no content and infund's poor logic, but then he supports his points terribly. He attacks everyone who responds to him and then ragequits. Then the people he attacked + brocket vote him. Not sure if brocket is a newbie or is scum jumping on a free bandwagon. I need to read though the thread a few times more to get a clear view of what is going on, but I would like to hear some more posts on why gabriel/brocket/hesmyrr/infund are posting the way they are, not just people jumping on one side or the other. Early in the game - a call for more discussion. This isn't particularly scummy yet. another "trashy" post of course On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. Restatement of what tree.hugger/Insanious said; no real contribution of his own. Do you just read the first line of what I post and then ignore the rest? Because that is the only way I can understand what you are talking about. On December 12 2010 15:21 DCLXVI wrote:On December 12 2010 14:44 chaoser wrote:
Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment. I did my best, I have no regrets Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen. @Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time. I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers. Post-death justification when one was NOT NEEDED. We all knew Kenpachi was a trash poster in the first place (or at least I did) and that his death would not be missed. No one accused you of anything, so why bother to defend yourself? Because of some inner need to appear innocent at all times, perhaps? NOT NEEDED but asked for, notice I quoted someone who questioned the lynch. I'm sorry for further explaining my rationale behind voting, perhaps next till I will just randomly vote people off a list like you do: On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote:
##vote: Shockeyy On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote:
With the number of swing votes that happened last time, I think that it is very likely that some scum jumped on the kenpachi bandwagon to save zeks. Not that Gabriel is posting any better, but I think that it is more likely that zeks is scum.
@amber
I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died.
and I loled at one inactive accusing another. And for those of us that have some BRAINS we realized that Zeks fell into the same category of posting as Kenpachi - trash terrible, but nonetheless a waste of a lynch. Also, if you bothered to do any THINKING at all you'd realize that it's in the best interest of Mewtwo to play town-aligned in the early game. Why are you interested in finding Mewtwo unless you were RED and worried about yourself? Maybe if you had some FORESIGHT you could've prepared better for losing mew. Now it will be even harder for us to find mewtwo, especially since people like you try to stop any town discussion like this. Notice the town cannot win with mewtwo alive, so while it might be in M2's best interest to appear townie, the town still needs to kill him. Why are you so scared of us finding mewtwo? Is that your role? On December 15 2010 05:39 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 05:31 Brocket wrote:
I guess if a detective (alakazam or mew) wants to check me out that could be productive. I'll show up as either a true townie or a gengar pretending to be one. Chansey's honestly should just use their prevention on whoever they want to keep in and if they decide that they themselves are the most valuable then so be it. Give gabe/zeks a scan too if they survive the day vote and future night attacks.
I could be a blue. Or a townie pretending to be a blue. Would it matter too much to the town if I was killed off by mafia? I sort of think of it as taking one for the team so the blues can get a night off.
I could be mafia. I think I'd like to be just a koffing. I wouldn't know who to sleep as a weezing. I talk a lot as you can see but I try to be productive without any hard evidence (then again who does?).
As far as mewtwo is concerned, he's just a wild card that confuses the night attacks and he's more likely to kill townies than mafia the first few nights until our numbers sufficiently dwindle. Sad but true.
tl,dr; Hey guys I'm trying to confuse the town and withhold information but that's ok because I'm town or maybe I'm not but thats fine maybe blues should do what I tell them but maybe not because that could be bad and maybe mewtwo is bad for us now but good later so lets not worry aboutanything. Nice, finally some condescension. Too bad it isn't an actual push for a lynch. If you're not scum you're still being too fucking lazy about this, and if you are - well, that's the perfect level of sneerage to detract from your own posting. Maybe if you had some BRAINS you could've noticed the sarcasm in the post, pointing to the uselessness of brocket's post. I guess things like this are too subtle for players of your caliber. On December 15 2010 15:54 DCLXVI wrote:@LSB While I like your idea of forming up a list of all the inactive/scummy players and then using dt's (or mad H's) on them, I don't think that it is a viable strategy now. A list like that would have to include around 85% of the players. In fact I'll whip one up right now: + Show Spoiler +1. deconduo
2. BrownBear
3. Eiii
4. GGQ
5. LSB
6. DarthThienAn
7. RebirthOfLeGenD (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill)
8. Amber[LighT]
9. dinmsab
10. jcarlsoniv (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill)
11. DCLXVI
12. Ghrur
13. Kenpachi (Pikachu, Day 1 Lynch)
14. Node
15. KtheZ
16. tube
17. chaoser
18. Oceanic
19. Gabriel
20. Insanious
21. Meapak_Ziphh (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill)
22. Shockeyy
23. seRapH
24. Kavdragon
25. tree.hugger (Electrode, Night 1 Kill
26. Infundibulum
27. Pandain
28. Brocket
29. kitaman27
30. d3_crescentia
31. zeks Right now I am trying to get more active, but as far as I see there are about 5 seriously active players. That is why we cannot have the medics self protect like you asked tonight. Night one mafia+M2 took out 3 of the most active players, and I would bet that they will continue that trend tonight. We desperately need every last active player, so unless the medics themselves are high priority targets for the mafia, they should not self protect. I am not trying to open up the medics to be hit, but lets be reasonable. What motive does the mafia have to try to hit random lurking blues over the few active players? Not to mention if they hit mew, they are pretty much screwed. Medics please decide who you want to live and lead our scum hunting tomorrow, Dts follow your gut, same with electrodes. Vets just be tough It would be nice to have some dt's give us information in 2 days (three night checks) so that we know about 1/2 of the alignments with some room for error with millers / GF / fake claims. We could hope for ~2 scum revealed this way, with maybe one fake claimed scum. (all numbers estimated in my head with my assumptions, check yourself) However I think we need to see how desperate our plight is come that time, maybe it will not be necessary then. On the other hand, Double lynching is becoming increasingly necessary. With our multiple bandwagons forming and splitting each vote, it looks like the mafia is having an easy time pulling votes off their team and sending townies to the noose. If we lose to many more townies tonight we won't be able to control the lynch very well in the coming days. We need to take advantage the DL to try and catch back up against the mafia's kills. That is something we seriously need to consider and vote on tomorrow depending on the night kills and the level of town activity come tomorrow morning. I want to see the night kills before I comment on potential scummy players tomorrow. Good night, and make sure you are well prepared for any multiples of trouble. Nice general advice. Doesn't really say much except "Maybe on Day 5 DTs should reveal all they know," not accounting for the fact that the Mafia will target those that the DTs check. Maybe the DTs will check inactive players, but what's to stop the mafia from counterclaiming with their own fake DT and sowing more chaos? There needs to be a better plan than just "in 3 days let's reveal." Of course, I realize that you yourself don't have much confidence in this plan of yours, seeing as how it's just plain terrible for town. Or you might just be TR putting thoughts in our mind. So step up and defend yourself, or I'll be putting my vote on you first thing come Day. Yeah I guess I don't say much besides criticizing LSB's plan and commenting on the double lynch benefits and outline a decent plan for the medics to follow (which they didn't, and now we lost more active townies  ). I guess I should post more like you: Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 10:39 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 10:35 LSB wrote:
If I die, check out Shocky, D3, and Brocket I'm pretty sure I'm not TR. The other two might be worth a look though. And you call my posts trashy. All of my posts at least have a reason behind them, as I, unlike you, don't feel the need to spam to seem active and townie. So in an effort to be a better townie should I go back and summarize your posts however I like, call you an idiot, and then try to start a bandwagon on you? Because that seems like one of the scummiest plans I can think of, but you manage to pull it off and people think you are one of the towniest of us all.
Congratulations on returning fire; don't you feel GREAT about yourself now that you've contributed a post that amounts to a "NO U"? I'm sorry, "medics protect who you think you should" isn't telling them anything they don't know already. Post some real content for fuck's sake, because criticism and disagreement means jack shit unless you provide alternatives. If you haven't noticed, I'm trying to get town back on the right track, whereas all you do is whine about how I've mischaracterized you instead of contributing. Go analyze some other people, unless you're too scared to out your scum buddies.
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On December 16 2010 13:08 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 12:58 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 12:49 DCLXVI wrote:On December 16 2010 10:19 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 03:28 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 22:49 d3_crescentia wrote:
I don't pretend I'm good at analysis; in fact I'm probably trash terrible at it. Shortened because I have to go to work soon -_-
Here's what I noticed about the Zeks list in particular:
- Much of the voting comes from Gabriel's early game analysis of Zeks. While Gabriel himself could be whatever, at least one of his supporters IS scum. Let's work on analyzing Gabriel and his early-game followers.
- The discussion between DCLXVI and chaoser wrt to Kenpachi is particularly telling. Chaoser's defense is along the lines of "Kenpachi just posts that way" while DCLXVI's responses are "yeah but if he WERE mafia it'd be so easy for him to hide!" Something about this just doesn't strike me as particularly innocent on DCLXVI's part, as he seems to be posting an unnecessary defense of himself when Kenpachi died, and a lot of "we should do/have done X" statements recently. His vote for zeks isn't particularly well-justified; in fact it's a bit of a 180-degree turn as he suddenly shifted from "Kenpachi is scum" to "scum must have bandwagoned Kenpachi in the end to save zeks!" (Post on this sometime tonight as well)
Okay, off to work. Hope that's enough for you guys to chew on for tomorrow. Someone else come up with a night plan? In general, Gabriel might be good to check; DTA/Inf as well; DCLXVI cuz I think so. Medics protect who you can/find most compelling. Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say. I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy. Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me. Okay, I get it. You're just a trash poster, scum or not. WTF? Did you read what I posted? I accuse you of changing the meaning of my posts and you call me a trash poster? How does this have any relevance to what I posted? On December 10 2010 15:09 DCLXVI wrote:
Alright just read the thread. All I have to say is fuck you Team Rocket, Oak is the best character in the game. How did TR even manage to sneak up on him? Oak can tell from halfway around the world when you get on a bike, but he can't see a few clumsy TR members?
Seriously though, I am confused by gabriel. he makes some decent points about hesmyrr looking active but no content and infund's poor logic, but then he supports his points terribly. He attacks everyone who responds to him and then ragequits. Then the people he attacked + brocket vote him. Not sure if brocket is a newbie or is scum jumping on a free bandwagon. I need to read though the thread a few times more to get a clear view of what is going on, but I would like to hear some more posts on why gabriel/brocket/hesmyrr/infund are posting the way they are, not just people jumping on one side or the other. Early in the game - a call for more discussion. This isn't particularly scummy yet. another "trashy" post of course On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. Restatement of what tree.hugger/Insanious said; no real contribution of his own. Do you just read the first line of what I post and then ignore the rest? Because that is the only way I can understand what you are talking about. On December 12 2010 15:21 DCLXVI wrote:On December 12 2010 14:44 chaoser wrote:
Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment. I did my best, I have no regrets Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen. @Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time. I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers. Post-death justification when one was NOT NEEDED. We all knew Kenpachi was a trash poster in the first place (or at least I did) and that his death would not be missed. No one accused you of anything, so why bother to defend yourself? Because of some inner need to appear innocent at all times, perhaps? NOT NEEDED but asked for, notice I quoted someone who questioned the lynch. I'm sorry for further explaining my rationale behind voting, perhaps next till I will just randomly vote people off a list like you do: On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote:
##vote: Shockeyy On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote:
With the number of swing votes that happened last time, I think that it is very likely that some scum jumped on the kenpachi bandwagon to save zeks. Not that Gabriel is posting any better, but I think that it is more likely that zeks is scum.
@amber
I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died.
and I loled at one inactive accusing another. And for those of us that have some BRAINS we realized that Zeks fell into the same category of posting as Kenpachi - trash terrible, but nonetheless a waste of a lynch. Also, if you bothered to do any THINKING at all you'd realize that it's in the best interest of Mewtwo to play town-aligned in the early game. Why are you interested in finding Mewtwo unless you were RED and worried about yourself? Maybe if you had some FORESIGHT you could've prepared better for losing mew. Now it will be even harder for us to find mewtwo, especially since people like you try to stop any town discussion like this. Notice the town cannot win with mewtwo alive, so while it might be in M2's best interest to appear townie, the town still needs to kill him. Why are you so scared of us finding mewtwo? Is that your role? On December 15 2010 05:39 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 05:31 Brocket wrote:
I guess if a detective (alakazam or mew) wants to check me out that could be productive. I'll show up as either a true townie or a gengar pretending to be one. Chansey's honestly should just use their prevention on whoever they want to keep in and if they decide that they themselves are the most valuable then so be it. Give gabe/zeks a scan too if they survive the day vote and future night attacks.
I could be a blue. Or a townie pretending to be a blue. Would it matter too much to the town if I was killed off by mafia? I sort of think of it as taking one for the team so the blues can get a night off.
I could be mafia. I think I'd like to be just a koffing. I wouldn't know who to sleep as a weezing. I talk a lot as you can see but I try to be productive without any hard evidence (then again who does?).
As far as mewtwo is concerned, he's just a wild card that confuses the night attacks and he's more likely to kill townies than mafia the first few nights until our numbers sufficiently dwindle. Sad but true.
tl,dr; Hey guys I'm trying to confuse the town and withhold information but that's ok because I'm town or maybe I'm not but thats fine maybe blues should do what I tell them but maybe not because that could be bad and maybe mewtwo is bad for us now but good later so lets not worry aboutanything. Nice, finally some condescension. Too bad it isn't an actual push for a lynch. If you're not scum you're still being too fucking lazy about this, and if you are - well, that's the perfect level of sneerage to detract from your own posting. Maybe if you had some BRAINS you could've noticed the sarcasm in the post, pointing to the uselessness of brocket's post. I guess things like this are too subtle for players of your caliber. On December 15 2010 15:54 DCLXVI wrote:@LSB While I like your idea of forming up a list of all the inactive/scummy players and then using dt's (or mad H's) on them, I don't think that it is a viable strategy now. A list like that would have to include around 85% of the players. In fact I'll whip one up right now: + Show Spoiler +1. deconduo
2. BrownBear
3. Eiii
4. GGQ
5. LSB
6. DarthThienAn
7. RebirthOfLeGenD (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill)
8. Amber[LighT]
9. dinmsab
10. jcarlsoniv (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill)
11. DCLXVI
12. Ghrur
13. Kenpachi (Pikachu, Day 1 Lynch)
14. Node
15. KtheZ
16. tube
17. chaoser
18. Oceanic
19. Gabriel
20. Insanious
21. Meapak_Ziphh (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill)
22. Shockeyy
23. seRapH
24. Kavdragon
25. tree.hugger (Electrode, Night 1 Kill
26. Infundibulum
27. Pandain
28. Brocket
29. kitaman27
30. d3_crescentia
31. zeks Right now I am trying to get more active, but as far as I see there are about 5 seriously active players. That is why we cannot have the medics self protect like you asked tonight. Night one mafia+M2 took out 3 of the most active players, and I would bet that they will continue that trend tonight. We desperately need every last active player, so unless the medics themselves are high priority targets for the mafia, they should not self protect. I am not trying to open up the medics to be hit, but lets be reasonable. What motive does the mafia have to try to hit random lurking blues over the few active players? Not to mention if they hit mew, they are pretty much screwed. Medics please decide who you want to live and lead our scum hunting tomorrow, Dts follow your gut, same with electrodes. Vets just be tough It would be nice to have some dt's give us information in 2 days (three night checks) so that we know about 1/2 of the alignments with some room for error with millers / GF / fake claims. We could hope for ~2 scum revealed this way, with maybe one fake claimed scum. (all numbers estimated in my head with my assumptions, check yourself) However I think we need to see how desperate our plight is come that time, maybe it will not be necessary then. On the other hand, Double lynching is becoming increasingly necessary. With our multiple bandwagons forming and splitting each vote, it looks like the mafia is having an easy time pulling votes off their team and sending townies to the noose. If we lose to many more townies tonight we won't be able to control the lynch very well in the coming days. We need to take advantage the DL to try and catch back up against the mafia's kills. That is something we seriously need to consider and vote on tomorrow depending on the night kills and the level of town activity come tomorrow morning. I want to see the night kills before I comment on potential scummy players tomorrow. Good night, and make sure you are well prepared for any multiples of trouble. Nice general advice. Doesn't really say much except "Maybe on Day 5 DTs should reveal all they know," not accounting for the fact that the Mafia will target those that the DTs check. Maybe the DTs will check inactive players, but what's to stop the mafia from counterclaiming with their own fake DT and sowing more chaos? There needs to be a better plan than just "in 3 days let's reveal." Of course, I realize that you yourself don't have much confidence in this plan of yours, seeing as how it's just plain terrible for town. Or you might just be TR putting thoughts in our mind. So step up and defend yourself, or I'll be putting my vote on you first thing come Day. Yeah I guess I don't say much besides criticizing LSB's plan and commenting on the double lynch benefits and outline a decent plan for the medics to follow (which they didn't, and now we lost more active townies ). I guess I should post more like you: On December 16 2010 10:39 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 10:35 LSB wrote:
If I die, check out Shocky, D3, and Brocket I'm pretty sure I'm not TR. The other two might be worth a look though. And you call my posts trashy. All of my posts at least have a reason behind them, as I, unlike you, don't feel the need to spam to seem active and townie. So in an effort to be a better townie should I go back and summarize your posts however I like, call you an idiot, and then try to start a bandwagon on you? Because that seems like one of the scummiest plans I can think of, but you manage to pull it off and people think you are one of the towniest of us all. Congratulations on returning fire; don't you feel GREAT about yourself now that you've contributed a post that amounts to a "NO U"? I'm sorry, "medics protect who you think you should" isn't telling them anything they don't know already. Post some real content for fuck's sake, because criticism and disagreement means jack shit unless you provide alternatives. If you haven't noticed, I'm trying to get town back on the right track, whereas all you do is whine about how I've mischaracterized you instead of contributing. Go analyze some other people, unless you're too scared to out your scum buddies. You don't seem to understand that I am calling you out for doing a terrible analysis. You are not helping the town by doing so. Once again you take half of what I say and turn it to fit your fancy. I asked for the medics to protect the town leaders over themselves, READ MY POSTS. Also, what happened to the rest of your "analysis"? I'm just right so you ignore it and flame me? Why don't you post some REAL content instead of calling for everyone else to do it instead?
I did read your posts. I found them wanting.
If I'm doing a terrible analysis then do a better one. Make it on me. Make it on someone else. I don't really care; just make it so that you're doing it on someone and that town can benefit from the discussion. I am trying my best to offer something that resembles analysis, but if half the town is sitting around scratching their heads and saying "durr should we lynch shockeyy now" when we are down 4 blues then we are going to lose, period.
That's the problem I have with you. You offer no viable alternatives. You offer vague plans. You offer mild criticism but don't push for anything concrete. If you think my posts are terrible and deliberately designed to mislead town then for fuck's sake get the entire town to vote me and be done with it.
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On December 16 2010 13:21 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 12:49 d3_crescentia wrote:
No more FoS. At this rate the discussion isn't going to get anywhere if we just keep pointing FoS at each other and do NOTHING with our votes. My current candidates to consider for TR, in no particular order, are:
DCLXVI
Infundibulum
Kavdragon
Brownbear Uhg. And I wanted to spend my night doing something OTHER than building a big analysis for once. That being said, I just previewed all your posts.So many things i want to say... Analysis incoming.
Finally, someone's doing something.
Actually rereading through your posts I don't remember why I put you on that list. So consider yourself stricken from it.
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On December 16 2010 13:54 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 13:30 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 13:08 DCLXVI wrote:On December 16 2010 12:58 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 12:49 DCLXVI wrote:On December 16 2010 10:19 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 03:28 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 22:49 d3_crescentia wrote:
I don't pretend I'm good at analysis; in fact I'm probably trash terrible at it. Shortened because I have to go to work soon -_-
Here's what I noticed about the Zeks list in particular:
- Much of the voting comes from Gabriel's early game analysis of Zeks. While Gabriel himself could be whatever, at least one of his supporters IS scum. Let's work on analyzing Gabriel and his early-game followers.
- The discussion between DCLXVI and chaoser wrt to Kenpachi is particularly telling. Chaoser's defense is along the lines of "Kenpachi just posts that way" while DCLXVI's responses are "yeah but if he WERE mafia it'd be so easy for him to hide!" Something about this just doesn't strike me as particularly innocent on DCLXVI's part, as he seems to be posting an unnecessary defense of himself when Kenpachi died, and a lot of "we should do/have done X" statements recently. His vote for zeks isn't particularly well-justified; in fact it's a bit of a 180-degree turn as he suddenly shifted from "Kenpachi is scum" to "scum must have bandwagoned Kenpachi in the end to save zeks!" (Post on this sometime tonight as well)
Okay, off to work. Hope that's enough for you guys to chew on for tomorrow. Someone else come up with a night plan? In general, Gabriel might be good to check; DTA/Inf as well; DCLXVI cuz I think so. Medics protect who you can/find most compelling. Might as well pull a shockeyy and start defending myself heavily. Next time I would like to see you quote my posts instead of summarizing them tinted heavily from your perspective. If I truly act scummy then there is no need for you to change what my posts say. I voted for kenpachi because he acted scummy and was useless for the town. I said that the defense "well he normally acts scummy" is a terrible defense and we should still lynch him because he acts scummy. Umm, I flipped and thought zeks was highly likely to be scum because I found out that I was wrong day 1 and kenpachi was green? You never have to revise your views of people when we get more information? I didn't think gabe was red (and still don't) and I really didn't like your last minute bandwagon on shockeyy with lsb and amber. That sort of play just screams scum to me. Okay, I get it. You're just a trash poster, scum or not. WTF? Did you read what I posted? I accuse you of changing the meaning of my posts and you call me a trash poster? How does this have any relevance to what I posted? On December 10 2010 15:09 DCLXVI wrote:
Alright just read the thread. All I have to say is fuck you Team Rocket, Oak is the best character in the game. How did TR even manage to sneak up on him? Oak can tell from halfway around the world when you get on a bike, but he can't see a few clumsy TR members?
Seriously though, I am confused by gabriel. he makes some decent points about hesmyrr looking active but no content and infund's poor logic, but then he supports his points terribly. He attacks everyone who responds to him and then ragequits. Then the people he attacked + brocket vote him. Not sure if brocket is a newbie or is scum jumping on a free bandwagon. I need to read though the thread a few times more to get a clear view of what is going on, but I would like to hear some more posts on why gabriel/brocket/hesmyrr/infund are posting the way they are, not just people jumping on one side or the other. Early in the game - a call for more discussion. This isn't particularly scummy yet. another "trashy" post of course On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town. Restatement of what tree.hugger/Insanious said; no real contribution of his own. Do you just read the first line of what I post and then ignore the rest? Because that is the only way I can understand what you are talking about. On December 12 2010 15:21 DCLXVI wrote:On December 12 2010 14:44 chaoser wrote:
Guys...for everyone who played Salem...that's just how he plays -_- he was playing the exact same way he did in Salem, if he was mafia there would have been slight differences -_-. No comment. I did my best, I have no regrets Seriously though, I do not regret voting Kenpachi. He was distracting the thread from focusing on possible scum and was posting no relevant information. This does not help the town at all, and we were lucky that he was not a blue. Just because he normally acts scummy does not give him the right to post scummy. It would have been so easy for him to hide behind your terrible defense of him if he was mafia, and we cannot allow that to happen. @Meepak - Why do you want to vote for zeks or gabriel? Do you suspect mafia bandwagoned Kenpachi to save a teammate? Which one of them do you suspect more and why? Please answer these sorts of questions instead of posting accusatory one liners all the time. I was ready to write up a nice long post about the different people who defended kenpachi, but now that he has flipped green I need to rethink my arguments. Sorry for the lack of activity recently, let me sleep and in the morning I'll start pointing some fingers. Post-death justification when one was NOT NEEDED. We all knew Kenpachi was a trash poster in the first place (or at least I did) and that his death would not be missed. No one accused you of anything, so why bother to defend yourself? Because of some inner need to appear innocent at all times, perhaps? NOT NEEDED but asked for, notice I quoted someone who questioned the lynch. I'm sorry for further explaining my rationale behind voting, perhaps next till I will just randomly vote people off a list like you do: On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote:
##vote: Shockeyy On December 15 2010 05:23 DCLXVI wrote:
With the number of swing votes that happened last time, I think that it is very likely that some scum jumped on the kenpachi bandwagon to save zeks. Not that Gabriel is posting any better, but I think that it is more likely that zeks is scum.
@amber
I don't think we analyzed the night actions enough. We barely covered the possibilities of what happened, and didn't bother to speculate which player was killed by mewtwo. That in itself could prove helpful to finding mewtwo, as well as finding scum connected to the other players who died.
and I loled at one inactive accusing another. And for those of us that have some BRAINS we realized that Zeks fell into the same category of posting as Kenpachi - trash terrible, but nonetheless a waste of a lynch. Also, if you bothered to do any THINKING at all you'd realize that it's in the best interest of Mewtwo to play town-aligned in the early game. Why are you interested in finding Mewtwo unless you were RED and worried about yourself? Maybe if you had some FORESIGHT you could've prepared better for losing mew. Now it will be even harder for us to find mewtwo, especially since people like you try to stop any town discussion like this. Notice the town cannot win with mewtwo alive, so while it might be in M2's best interest to appear townie, the town still needs to kill him. Why are you so scared of us finding mewtwo? Is that your role? On December 15 2010 05:39 DCLXVI wrote:On December 15 2010 05:31 Brocket wrote:
I guess if a detective (alakazam or mew) wants to check me out that could be productive. I'll show up as either a true townie or a gengar pretending to be one. Chansey's honestly should just use their prevention on whoever they want to keep in and if they decide that they themselves are the most valuable then so be it. Give gabe/zeks a scan too if they survive the day vote and future night attacks.
I could be a blue. Or a townie pretending to be a blue. Would it matter too much to the town if I was killed off by mafia? I sort of think of it as taking one for the team so the blues can get a night off.
I could be mafia. I think I'd like to be just a koffing. I wouldn't know who to sleep as a weezing. I talk a lot as you can see but I try to be productive without any hard evidence (then again who does?).
As far as mewtwo is concerned, he's just a wild card that confuses the night attacks and he's more likely to kill townies than mafia the first few nights until our numbers sufficiently dwindle. Sad but true.
tl,dr; Hey guys I'm trying to confuse the town and withhold information but that's ok because I'm town or maybe I'm not but thats fine maybe blues should do what I tell them but maybe not because that could be bad and maybe mewtwo is bad for us now but good later so lets not worry aboutanything. Nice, finally some condescension. Too bad it isn't an actual push for a lynch. If you're not scum you're still being too fucking lazy about this, and if you are - well, that's the perfect level of sneerage to detract from your own posting. Maybe if you had some BRAINS you could've noticed the sarcasm in the post, pointing to the uselessness of brocket's post. I guess things like this are too subtle for players of your caliber. On December 15 2010 15:54 DCLXVI wrote:@LSB While I like your idea of forming up a list of all the inactive/scummy players and then using dt's (or mad H's) on them, I don't think that it is a viable strategy now. A list like that would have to include around 85% of the players. In fact I'll whip one up right now: + Show Spoiler +1. deconduo
2. BrownBear
3. Eiii
4. GGQ
5. LSB
6. DarthThienAn
7. RebirthOfLeGenD (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill)
8. Amber[LighT]
9. dinmsab
10. jcarlsoniv (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill)
11. DCLXVI
12. Ghrur
13. Kenpachi (Pikachu, Day 1 Lynch)
14. Node
15. KtheZ
16. tube
17. chaoser
18. Oceanic
19. Gabriel
20. Insanious
21. Meapak_Ziphh (Pikachu, Night 1 Kill)
22. Shockeyy
23. seRapH
24. Kavdragon
25. tree.hugger (Electrode, Night 1 Kill
26. Infundibulum
27. Pandain
28. Brocket
29. kitaman27
30. d3_crescentia
31. zeks Right now I am trying to get more active, but as far as I see there are about 5 seriously active players. That is why we cannot have the medics self protect like you asked tonight. Night one mafia+M2 took out 3 of the most active players, and I would bet that they will continue that trend tonight. We desperately need every last active player, so unless the medics themselves are high priority targets for the mafia, they should not self protect. I am not trying to open up the medics to be hit, but lets be reasonable. What motive does the mafia have to try to hit random lurking blues over the few active players? Not to mention if they hit mew, they are pretty much screwed. Medics please decide who you want to live and lead our scum hunting tomorrow, Dts follow your gut, same with electrodes. Vets just be tough It would be nice to have some dt's give us information in 2 days (three night checks) so that we know about 1/2 of the alignments with some room for error with millers / GF / fake claims. We could hope for ~2 scum revealed this way, with maybe one fake claimed scum. (all numbers estimated in my head with my assumptions, check yourself) However I think we need to see how desperate our plight is come that time, maybe it will not be necessary then. On the other hand, Double lynching is becoming increasingly necessary. With our multiple bandwagons forming and splitting each vote, it looks like the mafia is having an easy time pulling votes off their team and sending townies to the noose. If we lose to many more townies tonight we won't be able to control the lynch very well in the coming days. We need to take advantage the DL to try and catch back up against the mafia's kills. That is something we seriously need to consider and vote on tomorrow depending on the night kills and the level of town activity come tomorrow morning. I want to see the night kills before I comment on potential scummy players tomorrow. Good night, and make sure you are well prepared for any multiples of trouble. Nice general advice. Doesn't really say much except "Maybe on Day 5 DTs should reveal all they know," not accounting for the fact that the Mafia will target those that the DTs check. Maybe the DTs will check inactive players, but what's to stop the mafia from counterclaiming with their own fake DT and sowing more chaos? There needs to be a better plan than just "in 3 days let's reveal." Of course, I realize that you yourself don't have much confidence in this plan of yours, seeing as how it's just plain terrible for town. Or you might just be TR putting thoughts in our mind. So step up and defend yourself, or I'll be putting my vote on you first thing come Day. Yeah I guess I don't say much besides criticizing LSB's plan and commenting on the double lynch benefits and outline a decent plan for the medics to follow (which they didn't, and now we lost more active townies ). I guess I should post more like you: On December 16 2010 10:39 d3_crescentia wrote:On December 16 2010 10:35 LSB wrote:
If I die, check out Shocky, D3, and Brocket I'm pretty sure I'm not TR. The other two might be worth a look though. And you call my posts trashy. All of my posts at least have a reason behind them, as I, unlike you, don't feel the need to spam to seem active and townie. So in an effort to be a better townie should I go back and summarize your posts however I like, call you an idiot, and then try to start a bandwagon on you? Because that seems like one of the scummiest plans I can think of, but you manage to pull it off and people think you are one of the towniest of us all. Congratulations on returning fire; don't you feel GREAT about yourself now that you've contributed a post that amounts to a "NO U"? I'm sorry, "medics protect who you think you should" isn't telling them anything they don't know already. Post some real content for fuck's sake, because criticism and disagreement means jack shit unless you provide alternatives. If you haven't noticed, I'm trying to get town back on the right track, whereas all you do is whine about how I've mischaracterized you instead of contributing. Go analyze some other people, unless you're too scared to out your scum buddies. You don't seem to understand that I am calling you out for doing a terrible analysis. You are not helping the town by doing so. Once again you take half of what I say and turn it to fit your fancy. I asked for the medics to protect the town leaders over themselves, READ MY POSTS. Also, what happened to the rest of your "analysis"? I'm just right so you ignore it and flame me? Why don't you post some REAL content instead of calling for everyone else to do it instead? I did read your posts. I found them wanting. If I'm doing a terrible analysis then do a better one. Make it on me. Make it on someone else. I don't really care; just make it so that you're doing it on someone and that town can benefit from the discussion. I am trying my best to offer something that resembles analysis, but if half the town is sitting around scratching their heads and saying "durr should we lynch shockeyy now" when we are down 4 blues then we are going to lose, period. That's the problem I have with you. You offer no viable alternatives. You offer vague plans. You offer mild criticism but don't push for anything concrete. If you think my posts are terrible and deliberately designed to mislead town then for fuck's sake get the entire town to vote me and be done with it. I find you "analysis" lacking. You also add nothing to the discussion, just attack random people with poor logic. I will take you up on your offer however. It seems as if kevdragon has claimed you though, so I will analyze Insanious instead. While I am composing it I would like to see you add something to the town too, and remember, quote don't summarize
Good, let's do some solid work then. I'll post in the morning.
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