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On December 10 2010 15:22 Insanious wrote:
So now we have 4 people voting for Gabriel with little to no explanation... actually I think like only 1 person explained why they were voting for Gab and the other three didn't even say they were voting for him or why... bandwagon on an active, outspoken player? Me no likey...
Gabriel did out himself pretty early as a big voice in this game. This could split one of 2 ways. Mafia could want to shut him up (Gabriel = Pro-Pokealliance), hence the votes, or he's hoping that if he barks loud enough the town will bend to his will later on (Gabriel = Pro-Team Rocket. People like to jump on power players when they're not "known" in these games, so the votes aren't completely at a surprise.
I'm iffy about Gabriel. I looked at his posting history and he did play in BC's game early this year. He was a vigilante and was quiet, didn't spark controversy, and eventually died by like Night 2 or something.
Now he's being loud, so I'm encouraged to believe he's a vocal pikachu, or a team rocket member. Don't forget Gengar is more-or-less the Godfather, but based upon what his role description says, he can manipulate role checks. This makes him a sort of godfather with less power, so Gengar probably won't be vocal in the thread, unlike SouthRawrea in Salem mafia.
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Good points raised by amber. I think it can go either way as well. If Gabe gave solid arguments that were easy to follow then I would honestly have not voted for him. It's like a vote for reason. As it stands I won't be changing my vote for this day phase but I admit it was too hasty.
I think it should be emphasised that any one of us voting for gabe could be mafia too (or people voting off infund for that matter) and with 31 players it won't be that hard to get gabe out of the hot water if we want to keep him.
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On December 10 2010 23:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 15:22 Insanious wrote:
So now we have 4 people voting for Gabriel with little to no explanation... actually I think like only 1 person explained why they were voting for Gab and the other three didn't even say they were voting for him or why... bandwagon on an active, outspoken player? Me no likey... Gabriel did out himself pretty early as a big voice in this game. This could split one of 2 ways. Mafia could want to shut him up (Gabriel = Pro-Pokealliance), hence the votes, or he's hoping that if he barks loud enough the town will bend to his will later on (Gabriel = Pro-Team Rocket. People like to jump on power players when they're not "known" in these games, so the votes aren't completely at a surprise. I'm iffy about Gabriel. I looked at his posting history and he did play in BC's game early this year. He was a vigilante and was quiet, didn't spark controversy, and eventually died by like Night 2 or something. Now he's being loud, so I'm encouraged to believe he's a vocal pikachu, or a team rocket member. Don't forget Gengar is more-or-less the Godfather, but based upon what his role description says, he can manipulate role checks. This makes him a sort of godfather with less power, so Gengar probably won't be vocal in the thread, unlike SouthRawrea in Salem mafia.
I might be missing something, but how is this godfather any less powerful than the salem godfather?
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Oh, is it just that this godfather doesn't have 1 KP all on his own?
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On December 10 2010 23:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 15:22 Insanious wrote:
So now we have 4 people voting for Gabriel with little to no explanation... actually I think like only 1 person explained why they were voting for Gab and the other three didn't even say they were voting for him or why... bandwagon on an active, outspoken player? Me no likey... Gabriel did out himself pretty early as a big voice in this game. This could split one of 2 ways. Mafia could want to shut him up (Gabriel = Pro-Pokealliance), hence the votes, or he's hoping that if he barks loud enough the town will bend to his will later on (Gabriel = Pro-Team Rocket. People like to jump on power players when they're not "known" in these games, so the votes aren't completely at a surprise. I'm iffy about Gabriel. I looked at his posting history and he did play in BC's game early this year. He was a vigilante and was quiet, didn't spark controversy, and eventually died by like Night 2 or something. Now he's being loud, so I'm encouraged to believe he's a vocal pikachu, or a team rocket member. Don't forget Gengar is more-or-less the Godfather, but based upon what his role description says, he can manipulate role checks. This makes him a sort of godfather with less power, so Gengar probably won't be vocal in the thread, unlike SouthRawrea in Salem mafia.
I would agree with you more if Gabriel was actually presenting logical arguments, as this is something the mafia would fear. However, since his arguments are very flimsy, they are causing confusion, something the mafia wants. So he is either bad townie or scum in my eyes (two types of players that mafia wants to keep in the game), always hard to tell the difference early on...
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Hey, sorry for the inactivity, I was avoiding TL so I wouldn't be spoiled on the Jinro Ro4 game, and didn't see the "starting" PM till now. Perfect timing. Reading up now. (Also, wow. 10 pages?)
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Usually, to me, mafia wouldn't go out on a limb to try to be in the spotlight of the town unless they were very skilled. It's better to cause mayhem quietly and with a few words and add to town bandwagoning of each other than to outright start arguments in the thread. That's not a very mafia thing to do because mafia would be scared of being too much in people's thoughts. So in that regard, I don't think Gabriel is acting very much red at all. New players like to think all illogical arguments=mafia when really it could just be townie playing badly.
I'll analyze the thread some more in a bit once I'm fed
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I HAVE AWOKEN FROM MY SLUMBER
Going to read through thread now 
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On December 11 2010 02:29 chaoser wrote:
Usually, to me, mafia wouldn't go out on a limb to try to be in the spotlight of the town unless they were very skilled. It's better to cause mayhem quietly and with a few words and add to town bandwagoning of each other than to outright start arguments in the thread. That's not a very mafia thing to do because mafia would be scared of being too much in people's thoughts. So in that regard, I don't think Gabriel is acting very much red at all. New players like to think all illogical arguments=mafia when really it could just be townie playing badly.
I'll analyze the thread some more in a bit once I'm fed
I agree with you, which is why I'm not convinced he's scum. He is making wild accusations though that is disrupting everything, and even if he's town, removing that isn't necessarily a bad thing. However, if we can find scum, I definitely want that, obviously. I just want Gabriel to have an eye kept on him.
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Oh come on guys, 5 people voting for Gabriel out of nowhere? He hasn't really been very scummy imo. I'm keeping an eye on this bandwagon for scum, it's very likely that someone amongst these 5 are poison-type pokemon, maybe even multiple of them.
As of right now, I still don't see any obvious scum, or even likely scum, for that matter. Lynching inactive won't be a bad option at any rate, and likely a better choice than blindly following one of the two bandwagons right now.
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For the DocH, + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 10:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and BrownBear in salem!
i started that wagon ;o That didn't count, as far as I know it was Ghrur who switched the vote for you guys! If Kenpachi was scum on the other hand...
Gabriel.
The key thing we have to look at Gabriel is why he decided to Accuse Kenpachi. Is this because he is honestly trying to scumhunt, or is he pressured and wants to redirect the lynch
On December 10 2010 11:12 Gabriel wrote:
I rather check the active player and lynch the inactive player. The active player right now is more likely to be +info in the future anyways, while the inactive is just... well... inactive. By the way one of the worst game aproachs is the "im noob just reading and getting used to play". If you are town you rather post something small but with actual meaning. I still have a decent target day 1 unless he posts a few more than oneliners. Inactives is also my treasure box.
I have a half decent target in the "im new guys" list. However right now i really want to flip Infundibulum  because A) He came out of nowhere to dismiss lynching inactives (and that is really nonsense for a player that has played a lot of games) B) I cant believe jcarsoniv just posted a single Why? to LSB vote.
The Kenpachi push looks like he is seeing someone that is lurking and wants to figure out what he is. The key point that points me is that he wants to DT check, not lynch Kenpachi
(Whoops I gtg brb)
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On December 10 2010 23:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 15:22 Insanious wrote:
So now we have 4 people voting for Gabriel with little to no explanation... actually I think like only 1 person explained why they were voting for Gab and the other three didn't even say they were voting for him or why... bandwagon on an active, outspoken player? Me no likey... Gabriel did out himself pretty early as a big voice in this game. This could split one of 2 ways. Mafia could want to shut him up (Gabriel = Pro-Pokealliance), hence the votes, or he's hoping that if he barks loud enough the town will bend to his will later on (Gabriel = Pro-Team Rocket. People like to jump on power players when they're not "known" in these games, so the votes aren't completely at a surprise. I'm iffy about Gabriel. I looked at his posting history and he did play in BC's game early this year. He was a vigilante and was quiet, didn't spark controversy, and eventually died by like Night 2 or something. Now he's being loud, so I'm encouraged to believe he's a vocal pikachu, or a team rocket member. Don't forget Gengar is more-or-less the Godfather, but based upon what his role description says, he can manipulate role checks. This makes him a sort of godfather with less power, so Gengar probably won't be vocal in the thread, unlike SouthRawrea in Salem mafia.
Ignore this I was incorrect about how I thought Gengar functioned in this game.
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On December 11 2010 03:20 LSB wrote:For the DocH, + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 10:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and BrownBear in salem!
i started that wagon ;o That didn't count, as far as I know it was Ghrur who switched the vote for you guys! If Kenpachi was scum on the other hand... Gabriel. The key thing we have to look at Gabriel is why he decided to Accuse Kenpachi. Is this because he is honestly trying to scumhunt, or is he pressured and wants to redirect the lynch Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 11:12 Gabriel wrote:
I rather check the active player and lynch the inactive player. The active player right now is more likely to be +info in the future anyways, while the inactive is just... well... inactive. By the way one of the worst game aproachs is the "im noob just reading and getting used to play". If you are town you rather post something small but with actual meaning. I still have a decent target day 1 unless he posts a few more than oneliners. Inactives is also my treasure box.
Show nested quote +I have a half decent target in the "im new guys" list. However right now i really want to flip Infundibulum because A) He came out of nowhere to dismiss lynching inactives (and that is really nonsense for a player that has played a lot of games) B) I cant believe jcarsoniv just posted a single Why? to LSB vote. The Kenpachi push looks like he is seeing someone that is lurking and wants to figure out what he is. The key point that points me is that he wants to DT check, not lynch Kenpachi (Whoops I gtg brb)
Yeah i think it's obvious from Gabe's tone that he was feeling pressured. He's still picking at specific people which is more than many of us have done. Though, I don't see how are you going to determine who is lurking when players still haven't posted and it's just several hours into the game? Kenpachi hasn't done a whole lot besides defend himself either, which is something we should be picking up on. If he doesn't contribute besides defending himself then that's suspicious IMO. There's still the rest of the Day 1 though.
Anyway, i don't really think Gabe is red right now. The problem though is that pretty much all the town discussion ended up focused on him which is bad because it lets other people get away with not contributing.
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There is one possible reason why I am willing to give Gabriel null-read for now, but I am going to wait for him to come and explain himself first to see if his argument agrees with mine.
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On December 11 2010 03:20 LSB wrote:For the DocH, + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2010 10:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and BrownBear in salem!
i started that wagon ;o That didn't count, as far as I know it was Ghrur who switched the vote for you guys! If Kenpachi was scum on the other hand... Gabriel. The key thing we have to look at Gabriel is why he decided to Accuse Kenpachi. Is this because he is honestly trying to scumhunt, or is he pressured and wants to redirect the lynch Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 11:12 Gabriel wrote:
I rather check the active player and lynch the inactive player. The active player right now is more likely to be +info in the future anyways, while the inactive is just... well... inactive. By the way one of the worst game aproachs is the "im noob just reading and getting used to play". If you are town you rather post something small but with actual meaning. I still have a decent target day 1 unless he posts a few more than oneliners. Inactives is also my treasure box.
Show nested quote +I have a half decent target in the "im new guys" list. However right now i really want to flip Infundibulum because A) He came out of nowhere to dismiss lynching inactives (and that is really nonsense for a player that has played a lot of games) B) I cant believe jcarsoniv just posted a single Why? to LSB vote. The Kenpachi push looks like he is seeing someone that is lurking and wants to figure out what he is. The key point that points me is that he wants to DT check, not lynch Kenpachi (Whoops I gtg brb)
This is his post against Ken, it came pretty out of the blue which was weird and then all he does is quote ken and doesn't offer any arguments of why ken's post indicate scummyness.
On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote:Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain A) your vote B) your deep posts? Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 07:11 Kenpachi wrote:
oh shit.. i cant really imagine Professor Oak dead D: Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 07:47 Kenpachi wrote:
Pikachu - Townie
Raichu - Miller
Chansey - Medic
Cloyster - Veteran
Alakazam - Detective
Electrode - Mad Hatter
Mew - Special Detective
Gengar - God Father
Koffing - Mafia Grunt
Weezing - Mafia Shrink
Mewtwo - 3rd Party Vigilante
notice how our only way of killing at night is Mad Hatter and 3rd party.. 3rd party is technically against us and will probably kill town over mafia due to immunity and their goal is to be last alive. Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 07:50 Kenpachi wrote:
yea claiming is a no no. and i hate lynching inactives. doesnt work at all. Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote:
how many people can Mafia target per night? Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:12 Kenpachi wrote:On December 10 2010 08:11 Eiii wrote:There always seem to be posts about how we all need to establish a 'pro-town environment', which is obvious of course I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.) So... can someone enlighten me? basically, where we can point out scum easily without confusing them as town.. i think Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:On December 10 2010 08:13 KtheZ wrote:
Do we have a limited amount of double lynches? I think its 2.
The game is like five hours old when he does this, trying to do a post analysis is an excercise in futility especially you don't offer any analysis with you posts . This is really the sort of contentless posting everyone was warning about in the beggining.
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The problem isn't that his post came early. 5 hours is a lot of time and enough to get a feel for how people act
He pointed out that Kenpachi's posts were spammy and didn't contribute to the town at all.
The problem is now, why the bandwagon the bandwagon against Gabriel took place.
(i'll look into it later, right now I'm hard pressed for time)
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people that haven't posted yet:
2. nbtnbt5
6. DarthThienAn
7. StormTemplar
12. ghrur
22. Shockeyy
25. tree.hugger
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On December 11 2010 04:28 LSB wrote:
The problem isn't that his post came early. 5 hours is a lot of time and enough to get a feel for how people act
He pointed out that Kenpachi's posts were spammy and didn't contribute to the town at all.
The problem is now, why the bandwagon the bandwagon against Gabriel took place.
(i'll look into it later, right now I'm hard pressed for time)
But, at the same time, 5 hours isn't long enough to start pegging people for inactivity.
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On December 11 2010 04:28 LSB wrote:
The problem isn't that his post came early. 5 hours is a lot of time and enough to get a feel for how people act
I disagree with this, especially considering the wide range of time zones people are in on TL.
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On December 11 2010 04:15 Hesmyrr wrote:
There is one possible reason why I am willing to give Gabriel null-read for now, but I am going to wait for him to come and explain himself first to see if his argument agrees with mine.
Am i the only one that thinks this is a rather pointless post?
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