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+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2010 10:12 Aeres wrote:
Woo, crisis averted!
Hey, guys. I'm new in town, need a place to stay. =O On November 30 2010 10:14 Aeres wrote:
That is correct, deconduo. Glasse had to leave for unknown reasons, so I'll be subbing in. On November 30 2010 10:17 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:
Hai Aeres o/
Lurkerz: Barun, RoL, Pandain
The game hasn't been on a long time though. Yeah, I read what happened so far. Not too much, but that'll change with time. On November 30 2010 23:27 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 20:39 Barundar wrote:So if I understand this lover/sibling mechanic right, we have a group of players, not necessarily mafia, who will always try to swing votes away from each others? But they do not know if each others are town or mafia? Will make it harder to interpret vote swings >_< I’ve read this + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2010 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:To discuss the other roles in the OP I don't think there was an additional lover. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
I think this acted as a conversion role. "born anew" implies a change in roles from one alignment to other, and since there is no third party and I doubt a mafia got converted by a townie, I think it means one of the mafia just recruited a townie against us. The way the town/mafia ratio is set up it doesn't give us initial start counts or anything, just tells us how much mafia there are in the game, assuming the conversion can't fail then it would be three regardless. I imagine the mafia can choose as to when they do it and the person they choose retains their power this would give the mafia incentive to WAIT on the conversation, but then it might be OP, so there might only be a certain amount of time they can wait for the conversion, but its mere speculation. ... So to summarize, I think there is a mafia conversion power in the lover, judging by how it was used. A Vigi variant in the hooded man, and a possession power in the spirit role. a few times, and I really don’t understand how to interpret the “with the power of love” part of the clue. Care to explain? I agree with the rest of the role assesments. What's everyones thoughts on beggar? Some sort of information role? I’m going to vote for Aidnai for now, his post does seem to paddle through the same sentences a few times on a closer look. #vote AidnaiPS: Pandain time to post :-) About the "love" part, my guess is that it implies some sort of symbiosis with the other "lover"; perhaps this manifests itself in the form of being able to PM each other? The Doc did say that certain roles would be able to engage in private messaging. As for beggar, I'm at a loss as well. You're probably correct in thinking it's an information role, but I wouldn't be able to guess much more than that. RoL's analysis of Aidnai seems convincing enough. For now, my vote will stay on him, but as usual, this vote is still tentative. ##Vote Aidnai On December 01 2010 01:27 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 01:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies Now this is interesting. The "two men" part clearly means there are two players that this refers to. Having a "third eye" is often meant to imply some sort of extrasensory perception, a method of seeing past what normal people are capable of. In the case of Mafia, I would think the Third Eye allows the player to see the true alignment of a player. One Eye lies, one tells the truth. Perhaps this means that one of the Third Eyes is sane, and the other is insane. Of course, I doubt that in a game as crazy as the Doc wants it to be, there would be two roles that are identical in function and opposite in results. These "Third Eye" people must have some sort of difference in their roles besides the obvious "liar / truth-teller" dichotomy. On December 01 2010 01:40 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 01:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 01 2010 01:27 Aeres wrote:On December 01 2010 01:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies Now this is interesting. The "two men" part clearly means there are two players that this refers to. Having a "third eye" is often meant to imply some sort of extrasensory perception, a method of seeing past what normal people are capable of. In the case of Mafia, I would think the Third Eye allows the player to see the true alignment of a player. One Eye lies, one tells the truth. Perhaps this means that one of the Third Eyes is sane, and the other is insane. Of course, I doubt that in a game as crazy as the Doc wants it to be, there would be two roles that are identical in function and opposite in results. These "Third Eye" people must have some sort of difference in their roles besides the obvious "liar / truth-teller" dichotomy. Not necessarily. They could be exactly the same role, and one of them is sane, while the other is insane, but neither of them knows which one they are. This will cause a lot of mind grapes. I'm aware that that possibly exists, but from what I know of the Doc's intentions here, he wants this whole GAME to be a mindfuck in terms of roles. Insane Mafia didn't have exact repeats of roles, and the Doc himself compared that game's intent to this one, so I don't feel like he'd dull the variety by inserting two near-identical roles when he could have two roles that are similar, but have subtle differences aside from the insanity factor. On December 01 2010 04:58 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 04:48 orgolove wrote:
So. I was given express permission to post this (i.e. it's not a roleclaim) by DrH.
I was given PM notification that my first vote was invalidated and I have to switch my vote.
There are 2 possibilities:
1. There's some hidden mechanic in the game that nullifies a random vote each day (not likely)
2. or there is a blue/red role that can invalidate a vote
I'm leaning towards #2. Given the power of such a role, and given that it was done to reduce the number of votes in the co-leader to be lynched, I think it is likely that it is a mafia role.
So for now, I'm forced to switch, so I'm changing my vote to the default:
##Vote: Coagulation
But I consider Fishball to be highly, highly suspect.
*Note: I know that reds can now use this information as an excuse to change their votes later on. But if we can catch 1 mafia in day 1, I think it is all worth it. A vote-invalidator? Sounds like the Booger role that Coagulation had in Insane, except the targeted voter can choose someone else to vote instead of being negated entirely. This'll make it difficult to reach a majority vote. I'm interested, Orgolove: why do you say that Coagulation is the "default"? On December 01 2010 05:04 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 05:01 orgolove wrote:On December 01 2010 04:58 Aeres wrote:
I'm interested, Orgolove: why do you say that Coagulation is the "default"? Because he's a spammer and pretty unlikely to be helpful to town given his past predispositions, whether he's a blue or a red. -_- Coagulation may be blunt and sometimes hostile, but he's not an idiot. I don't think a policy lynch on Coag is the wisest move to make... but we'll see. On December 01 2010 05:38 Aeres wrote:...On what? On December 01 2010 07:03 Aeres wrote:
Vote tally so far:
Aidnai - 3
Voters: Aeres, Barundar, RebirthOfLegend
Coagulation - 3
Voters: jcarlsoniv, orgolove, SouthRawrea
Fishball - 2
Voters: annul, Coagulation
RebirthOfLegend - 2
Voters: Fishball, ghrur
ghrur - 1
Voters: Pandain
orgolove - 1
Voters: kingjames27 On December 01 2010 07:03 Aeres wrote:
C'mon, guys, our votes are way too divided right now. We need to find some solid candidates instead of voting purely based on hearsay and OMGUS. On December 02 2010 02:18 Aeres wrote:
To be honest, my vote on Aidnai was because I was following the lead of a more experienced player (RoL) who seemed to know what he was talking about. Since I've been really busy for the last few hours, I hadn't gotten around to changing my vote, despite that being on my itinerary. I'll unvote for now, but I don't have any solid clues on who to vote for now, so for the time being, I shall abstain.
##Unvote Aidnai
God, it's gonna take a while to end the day. On December 02 2010 09:37 Aeres wrote:For lack of a better plan, I'm gonna vote for SouthRawrea to make him talk at the very least, and maybe move the day forward like jcarlsoniv said. ##Vote SouthRawreaI just wish all this passive agreement didn't make me look like a sheep, because I sure do feel like one right now... =( + Show Spoiler +It's shear humiliation! *rimshot* On December 02 2010 09:39 Aeres wrote:
So, does this mean deconduo is the "hammer"? On December 03 2010 01:53 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 01:33 Barundar wrote:On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Sometimes the hammer strikes back
and it almost struck evil Aidnai had 6 votes, so only needed one town vote before Decon would be forced to vote him. "strike back" This might be me being thrown by a red herring, but this post from the Doc makes me suspicious of Aidnai. If Deconduo's "hammer" role is as Barundar claims, one more vote would have effectively lynched Aidnai. The part saying "and it almost struck evil" makes me think that we were very close to lynching a Mafioso. The hammer was almost forced to take down Aidnai, who is possibly the "evil" referred to in this post. On December 03 2010 01:58 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 01:56 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 01:43 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 01:26 Barundar wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7144843A lot of people was suspicious, but difference is they didn't execute someone else as soon as they had the chance. Earlier you posted: Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles. Seems counter-intuitive to rush-lynch someone then? If you are mafia it would make sense to claim ASAP, since the last vote is always going to be suspicious, something a mafia would hate. In any case I haven’t forgotten this discussion was started by Fishball, who magicly vanished again. I would still like to hear your thoughts on this though Decon, we haven’t seen anything concrete from you yet, except the roleclaim, but that doesn’t seem to scare you? Yes I'm magical. In my little magical world, I sit in an office most of the time and "work". Wait. What roleclaim? Oh you mean the comments I had for deconduo's roleclaim? Scare me? Why so scared? I no scared! Fishball, you seem to be repeating yourself a lot. Are you feeling sick? Is it contagious? Are you saying that Fishball's posts might be limited by some kind of infection role? As if he was delusional? On December 03 2010 06:16 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 06:05 annul wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hey peeps,
allow me to interject the awesomeness of this game to advertise the fact that HARRY POTTER MAFIA is forming! it will go down once salem finishes. i really like the role list and setup for this one (i am biased of course) and it will be pwnage and awesome.
go go play sign up lets rock this biiiitch <3 Leave your advertising out of this thread, please. You have a thread for your game already, so the information is available to anyone. Trying to bring attention to it here is essentially spamming the thread, and we've done enough of that. On December 04 2010 02:36 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 02:31 deconduo wrote:On December 04 2010 02:30 Barundar wrote:
Would speeder fit Fishballs role, since he cannot die? If your role says you have a radar gun then its 99.9% that the speeding clue refers to you. Are you sure? The clue says that someone was CAUGHT speeding, not that somebody caught someone ELSE who was speeding. Probably just a matter of semantics, but I thought it was worth bringing up. On December 04 2010 03:11 Aeres wrote:
After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this.
##Vote Fishball
I apologize for lurking and not contributing as often as I should, but I've been sick for the past day, so my mind's a bit cloudy. Once I get better, I'll stop the bandwagoning and actually do shit for once. = / On December 04 2010 03:15 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 03:11 Fishball wrote:On December 04 2010 03:00 orgolove wrote:
I mean it's highly UNLIKELY that both are lying compared to just fishball who's in a web of lies.
And I bet he's going to come back any second now despite
On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote:
Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys. I check the thread periodically in between work, I'm in the office and the computer is right in front. It's not like I have to run 10 miles to reply. I do this every game. You played with me last game, you know my pattern. All of a sudden you're questioning this? Also, "a while" is a relevant thing. Right now you're trying so hard, its really funny from my perspective. Hmm, I wonder if Zombie is a Town Aligned role or not  Why wouldn't it be town-aligned? Why would Mafia knowingly try to nightkill one of their own? It makes no sense, unless you're insinuating that it was a way to try and convince town that Orgolove was one of the good guys, and that's pretty deep into WiFoM territory. I don't like how you're evading Coagulation's requests so blatantly, either. Something's not right about you. On December 04 2010 03:28 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 03:22 Coagulation wrote:
I know drh likes to talk about roles where if someone gets lynched then they are converted to mafia.
hes already said hes rooting for mafia in this one
Fishball will be changed to mafia if hes lynched.
Its 100% clear he wants lynched
And its 100% clear that he does not want me to get the information to help town. That seems pretty unlikely; if it's true, than we might as well have considered this game to have 4 Mafia all along, with Fishball just being able to disrupt the town openly. That seems pretty OP, even for an experimental game. It doesn't help that you're basing this on speculation. If you're right, though, it just means we have a surefire scum that we can nightkill. And furthermore, this makes me doubt if that vote-blocker thing is actually a role, or just a random event; that role is more of a Mafia thing, so if the vote-blocker is scum, why use it to keep a lynch off a person that benefits Mafia if lynched? On December 04 2010 03:39 Aeres wrote:
What the fuck.
I just got a PM from the Doc. Apparently, my vote was invalidated due to "corruption", so I have to change my vote...
Orgolove, is this what happened to you?
##Unvote Fishball for now, I guess. On December 04 2010 04:35 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 04:30 kingjames01 wrote:
Also, it's very interesting that both votes lost due to corruption were both on Fishball. I'm not so sure. I've been thinking about it a bit, and both corruptions were made when Fishball was the person with the most votes against him. I think that this vote blocking crap is just a random occurrence that maybe doesn't have anything to do with Fishball, as far as his role is concerned, and Fishball was protected simply due to the majority of votes being on him at the time. What I think is going on is that at the beginning of the day, the Doc uses an RNG to pick a random player. That player will have his vote blocked, and will receive the PM once the Doc has free time at work or something. This is only what I have by going off of the incidents with Orgolove and I, however. Perhaps I can detect a meaningful trend should this occur on Day 3. On December 04 2010 05:00 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote:
three options:
1. he is mafia. good lynch
2. he is spirit. good lynch.
3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3?
##vote fishball Why is it necessarily a good thing to lynch Fishball if he's a spirit? He's not really acting in town's interest right now, so why give him more powers if we're not sure they'll benefit us? Something seems off about this post, but I can't put my finger on it. On December 04 2010 05:18 Aeres wrote:
##Vote ~OpZ~ for reasons stated by Walrus-Shopper. On December 04 2010 05:26 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 05:24 annul wrote:
orgolove, you assume that it is a mafia role that nullifies the vote.
i think it is a part of his ability. since he wants to be town lynched, it is a detriment to his ability to make it harder for him to be town lynched. remember the clue says "the SYSTEM is corrupt" in all 4 colors. makes me think its a neutral occurrence. or maybe, even, the first to get to 4 gets a vote taken off of them (as happened last time). Hmm... I hadn't considered this before. It does make sense, and would adequately explain why both votes that were redirected were on Fishball. If this trend doesn't deviate on Day 3, then I feel we can place some degree of trust in this. On December 04 2010 05:32 Aeres wrote:
I agree, Kingjames01. There are too many inconsistencies, too many things that don't add up. I can't vote for him today, but consider my vote to be on him in spirit. On December 04 2010 10:15 Aeres wrote:
I vote to lynch ~OpZ~ anyway. I hate crying children. On December 04 2010 10:19 Aeres wrote:
....Fuck.
Fucking fuck. On December 04 2010 10:21 Aeres wrote:
What were we supposed to have done in that situation? Fishball was more of a detriment than an asset to the town, but there was no way to get rid of him barring two town deaths.
Doc, you suck. On December 04 2010 10:24 Aeres wrote:
No, you'd still suck because the Priest is a shitty-ass role. =( On December 04 2010 10:24 Aeres wrote:
And you gave it to a player who wasn't all that fond about winning. On December 04 2010 10:26 Aeres wrote:
Also, wasn't Deconduo the only person that could've been the hammer? So, town was fucked either way. On December 06 2010 05:15 Aeres wrote:I'm really sorry that I haven't been posting anything lately. I assure you, though, I have been reading the thread, so I'm aware of what's going on. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 15:44 ghrur wrote:For aeres, I feel aside from a few posts here, he hasn't been scummy: + Show Spoiler [aeres] +About the "love" part, my guess is that it implies some sort of symbiosis with the other "lover"; perhaps this manifests itself in the form of being able to PM each other? The Doc did say that certain roles would be able to engage in private messaging.
As for beggar, I'm at a loss as well. You're probably correct in thinking it's an information role, but I wouldn't be able to guess much more than that.
RoL's analysis of Aidnai seems convincing enough. For now, my vote will stay on him, but as usual, this vote is still tentative.
##Vote Aidnai To be honest, my vote on Aidnai was because I was following the lead of a more experienced player (RoL) who seemed to know what he was talking about. Since I've been really busy for the last few hours, I hadn't gotten around to changing my vote, despite that being on my itinerary. I'll unvote for now, but I don't have any solid clues on who to vote for now, so for the time being, I shall abstain.
##Unvote Aidnai
God, it's gonna take a while to end the day. Votes Aidnai only because of following RoL/more experienced player. C'mon, guys, our votes are way too divided right now. We need to find some solid candidates instead of voting purely based on hearsay and OMGUS. He says we should scumhunt instead of going off OMGUS, yet he never does it himself. For lack of a better plan, I'm gonna vote for SouthRawrea to make him talk at the very least, and maybe move the day forward like jcarlsoniv said.
##Vote SouthRawrea
I just wish all this passive agreement didn't make me look like a sheep, because I sure do feel like one right now... =(
Not really too scummy, but votes SouthRawrea for no reason really, and ends up securing the bandwagon for Decond's first axe. After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this.
##Vote Fishball
I apologize for lurking and not contributing as often as I should, but I've been sick for the past day, so my mind's a bit cloudy. Once I get better, I'll stop the bandwagoning and actually do shit for once. = / Once again votes with other's analyses. Doesn't really do his own on people. ##Vote ~OpZ~ for reasons stated by Walrus-Shopper. Once again votes because of someone else's reasoning. ....Fuck.
Fucking fuck. And an overreaction on the day post. Although, this is explainable because that was really screwed up. >_< And since then, he hasn't posted... which is strangely weird. I feel like he has scummy posts, but I also feel like his other posts are helping to contribute by analyzing the hints. This is different than annul who basically posted nothing, and accused using the same info again and again. Aeres seems more like unsure about who he wants to vote/unsure of his ideas instead of trying to hide information. That last part, in bold, is essentially spot on. I confess I'm not very good at analysis, and what analysis I write up tends to be based more on speculation and "what if?"s than something that the town can come to a consensus on. Because of that, I tend not to post what I think of players, since what I have written up isn't about to convince anyone, and sometimes not even myself. It's definitely something I should work on, I know. Lack of confidence hurts in a game based on deception. = / And I feel the overreaction to the day post is justified, considering the outcome. But enough QQ'ing. I'll see what I can come up with for legitimate analysis in a while.
As you can see for yourself, his behaviour this game clearly shows his alignment. Also, I'm pretty sure that the last remaining mafia player is aidnai.
Tonight I'll check him and we'll win in the lynch tomorrow. =)!
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