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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 03 2010 16:19 GMT
#481
On December 04 2010 00:55 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 00:52 deconduo wrote:
Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking.

Very risky, remeber, they probably checked a doctor. And fishball is very certantly not lieing
I'd rather it go, Fishball reveals the role. Coag Decides whether or not to flip who it is.


I like this idea. It will let us utilize our information.
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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 03 2010 16:21 GMT
#482
On December 04 2010 01:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 00:55 LSB wrote:
On December 04 2010 00:52 deconduo wrote:
Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking.

Very risky, remeber, they probably checked a doctor. And fishball is very certantly not lieing
I'd rather it go, Fishball reveals the role. Coag Decides whether or not to flip who it is.


I like this idea. It will let us utilize our information.


Well then, coag decides whether or not to flip, but Fishball has to reveal the name first if coag chooses yes.
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
December 03 2010 16:23 GMT
#483
On December 04 2010 01:18 Barundar wrote:
Pretty sure none of us is lying. You got a mafia buddy who wants to claim DT?


I wish I could, I'll just have all us claim DT.

How sure is pretty sure? Hey, I'm not even pointing fingers here. I'm just telling people not to neglect anything yet.
靈魂交響曲
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 03 2010 16:24 GMT
#484
Sorry for being rude - and sorry for mixing up clues and hint all the time.

I would really like if someone else wants to claim DT however, to step forward now.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 03 2010 16:32 GMT
#485
On December 04 2010 01:23 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 01:18 Barundar wrote:
Pretty sure none of us is lying. You got a mafia buddy who wants to claim DT?


I wish I could, I'll just have all us claim DT.

How sure is pretty sure? Hey, I'm not even pointing fingers here. I'm just telling people not to neglect anything yet.

Noone else has commented on it, but Coagulation confirmed it could be the case:

Me and SouthRawrea (psychic) have the ability to check alignment. We therefore are the 2 with the “third eye”

Coagulation have the ability to check roles. He get his answers from the heavens. Therefore probably the preacher.

It was your post that made me think of this possibility, after I have been mistrusting Coagulation all day.
Bartundar
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 03 2010 16:38 GMT
#486
Barudar, are you sure your the 'third eye'?
You seem like the person who caught someone speeding.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
December 03 2010 16:41 GMT
#487
I wouldnt put too much faith in any of those clues considering DOCH said he was in favor of mafia winning
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 03 2010 16:43 GMT
#488
I'm 100 % not the speeder. I guess my post got lost in the spam:

On December 04 2010 00:54 Barundar wrote:
Show nested quote +
Baruder can't be insane because he's the guy who caught the speeder


No, I am not a cop per say, I just have an ability to detect alignment with my radar gun. This clue is not for me.

Will read the rest of your post now sorry, just wanted to make that clear.

My best guess is the speeder refer to the busdriver role, but really not sure.
Bartundar
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 03 2010 16:50 GMT
#489
On December 04 2010 01:43 Barundar wrote:
I'm 100 % not the speeder. I guess my post got lost in the spam:

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 00:54 Barundar wrote:
Baruder can't be insane because he's the guy who caught the speeder


No, I am not a cop per say, I just have an ability to detect alignment with my radar gun. This clue is not for me.

Will read the rest of your post now sorry, just wanted to make that clear.

My best guess is the speeder refer to the busdriver role, but really not sure.


Radar guns are what cops use to detect speeders.

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Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 03 2010 17:03 GMT
#490
Role description sounds more like ironman.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 03 2010 17:30 GMT
#491
Would speeder fit Fishballs role, since he cannot die?
Bartundar
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 03 2010 17:31 GMT
#492
On December 04 2010 02:30 Barundar wrote:
Would speeder fit Fishballs role, since he cannot die?

If your role says you have a radar gun then its 99.9% that the speeding clue refers to you.
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
December 03 2010 17:36 GMT
#493
On December 04 2010 02:31 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 02:30 Barundar wrote:
Would speeder fit Fishballs role, since he cannot die?

If your role says you have a radar gun then its 99.9% that the speeding clue refers to you.

Are you sure? The clue says that someone was CAUGHT speeding, not that somebody caught someone ELSE who was speeding. Probably just a matter of semantics, but I thought it was worth bringing up.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 03 2010 17:52 GMT
#494
It doesn’t really matter. Seems like whether it’s scenario A or scenario B, I’m a sane alignment checker, and Coa’s roleclaim is true (albeit slightly useless).

So it’s only Fishball and Jcarlsoniv who has a potential role claim conflict.
Bartundar
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
December 03 2010 17:58 GMT
#495
My last post: (which Fishball still hasn't responded)
On December 03 2010 17:52 orgolove wrote:
I really haven't been too active this game at all. Unless what I said hit the mark, the reds really didn't have any other reason to hit me.

Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote:
Lets get down to business

[##]Vote Fishball

Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 07:50 Fishball wrote:
On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote:
Lets get down to business

[##]Vote Fishball



Why would you vote for me?

Wait, why would you not vote for me?
[##]Vote Fishball
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 07:52 Fishball wrote:
Haha, nevermind
Just checked I can't vote for myself.

So,

[##]Vote RebirthOfLeGenD


Look at his responses to Coagulation's first accusation. A townie would probably be incensed that he just "randomly" voted for you and it would've been understandable if he got a bit defensive. But no - despite being voted against for no reason, and as the first vote of the day, he just laughed it off and even made a gesture of voting for himself. Really smells like a red in my view.

Also, if Fishball turns red, then we can be pretty sure that the vote nullifier is definitely a red role.


Then his first post:
On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town.


No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that.

...
I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried.

Uh huh. A "blue" who's refusing to help the town and doesn't care if you get lynched. You call yourself a townie, in a game where there's more mafia than usual? (in terms of % of total players)

Oh, and then he gives us this:
On December 04 2010 00:05 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote:
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.

Anyway:

1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night


so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game.


If you are not Mafia, please re-read your own post after this game.
I wish life was that simple.
Right, you suddenly become so defensive, immediately after you claim that you don't care if you're lynched or not?

And just how clueless can you be, that you missed the day post a.k.a. the most important post of the game?
On December 04 2010 00:24 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 00:20 Coagulation wrote:
On December 04 2010 00:05 Fishball wrote:
On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote:
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.

Anyway:

1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night


so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game.


If you are not Mafia, please re-read your own post after this game.
I wish life was that simple.



What the hell are you talking about "If your not mafia"
Hes been flipped a veteran...


Where, I'm blind and busy and I must have missed it again. Please quote for me.

I'm just saying that if he is not Mafia, based on what he said to pinpoint me as Mafia, his logic is just too easy - the type of player that can easily be manipulated.
All this despite almost half the posts after my post he quoted talking about me being a veteran.

Then he goes wild with accusations, first accusing jcarlsoniv, then Barundar, then trying to put up some excuse to get out of the thread and avoid the pressure now that he's sown some seeds of confusion:
On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:
2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying.
I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried.
On December 04 2010 00:20 Fishball wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies.

Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 16:16 Barundar wrote:
TL seems to go down randomly. I checked Coa, and got a green result. He didn't have visitors.


So Barundar checks Coagulation and he gets a green result. (Alignment)
Coagulation checks someone else, and I get the other result. (Role)

If there are no more DT's in the game, and DH meant what he said, one of them is lying, or at the very least, the results they provided is false. This is an interesting situation, since Barundar checked our other DT.

If Barundar is sane/telling the truth, Coagulation would be Town aligned, but the results I get from his check would be false. Although I'm not entirely sure how a host can "fake" a role check, unless he just gives a totally random role back as a result, which is very not likely. The consequences is just too big, especially in a small game setup like this one.

If Barundar is insane/not telling the truth, Coagulation would either be Mafia, and has the ability to plant false messages like mentioned in my previous post, or Barunder is Mafia and trying to frame Coagulation.

Then there is the possibility that we misinterpreted DH's hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace entirely and both DT's are legit, but hey... who knows.

Now a lot of this doesn't really add up, and there is more I want to talk about, but I have to start getting some work done here so I'll leave you guys with the information above.

It is very important that if there is a 3rd DT, he should speak up now.

On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote:
Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys.


And yet he's still here, trying to seem as townie as possible.


Here's a hint:
On November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:There is no misinformation in mod posts or role PM's.


There IS no 3rd DT, and it's highly likely that both of these guys are lying compared to the possibility that Fishball is lying.
On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town.


No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that.
He is so openly hostile to the town, and he claims that he has a role that activates upon death. The first KP of mafia was wasted, basically letting us free with one lynch. Why not have it be a guy whose death can potentially benefit us, if he's lying?



This is ridiculous. It's pretty fucking clear we're dealing with either a mafia or a disillusioned townie who doesn't really feel like participating in the game. He never responds to my second post, instead focusing on my first post immediately after being hit and selectively ignoring anything that pressures him. He tries to deflect accusations to discussion about fake roleclaims, and always leaves a hole to run away with his posts of "oh, I'm busy, so I'll let you guys talk."


If you really are a guy with a spirit inside, then we're gonna benefit even more from your lynch. From what the town's gotten from you, you're more beneficial to us lynched than alive.
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
December 03 2010 17:58 GMT
#496
On December 04 2010 02:30 Barundar wrote:
Would speeder fit Fishballs role, since he cannot die?


What? When did I say I cannot die? Or who said I cannot die?

On December 04 2010 02:52 Barundar wrote:
It doesn’t really matter. Seems like whether it’s scenario A or scenario B, I’m a sane alignment checker, and Coa’s roleclaim is true (albeit slightly useless).

So it’s only Fishball and Jcarlsoniv who has a potential role claim conflict.


I'm surprised nobody has really been discussing this for the past few hours after I pointed it out.
靈魂交響曲
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
December 03 2010 18:00 GMT
#497
I mean it's highly UNLIKELY that both are lying compared to just fishball who's in a web of lies.

And I bet he's going to come back any second now despite
[/QUOTE]
On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote:
Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys.
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
December 03 2010 18:06 GMT
#498
fishball can you read this

On December 04 2010 01:21 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 01:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 04 2010 00:55 LSB wrote:
On December 04 2010 00:52 deconduo wrote:
Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking.

Very risky, remeber, they probably checked a doctor. And fishball is very certantly not lieing
I'd rather it go, Fishball reveals the role. Coag Decides whether or not to flip who it is.


I like this idea. It will let us utilize our information.


Well then, coag decides whether or not to flip, but Fishball has to reveal the name first if coag chooses yes.

Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
December 03 2010 18:06 GMT
#499
On December 04 2010 02:58 orgolove wrote:
My last post: (which Fishball still hasn't responded)
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 17:52 orgolove wrote:
I really haven't been too active this game at all. Unless what I said hit the mark, the reds really didn't have any other reason to hit me.

On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote:
Lets get down to business

[##]Vote Fishball

On November 30 2010 07:50 Fishball wrote:
On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote:
Lets get down to business

[##]Vote Fishball



Why would you vote for me?

Wait, why would you not vote for me?
[##]Vote Fishball
On November 30 2010 07:52 Fishball wrote:
Haha, nevermind
Just checked I can't vote for myself.

So,

[##]Vote RebirthOfLeGenD


Look at his responses to Coagulation's first accusation. A townie would probably be incensed that he just "randomly" voted for you and it would've been understandable if he got a bit defensive. But no - despite being voted against for no reason, and as the first vote of the day, he just laughed it off and even made a gesture of voting for himself. Really smells like a red in my view.

Also, if Fishball turns red, then we can be pretty sure that the vote nullifier is definitely a red role.


Then his first post:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:
On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town.


No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that.

...
I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried.

Uh huh. A "blue" who's refusing to help the town and doesn't care if you get lynched. You call yourself a townie, in a game where there's more mafia than usual? (in terms of % of total players)

Oh, and then he gives us this:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 00:05 Fishball wrote:
On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote:
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.

Anyway:

1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night


so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game.


If you are not Mafia, please re-read your own post after this game.
I wish life was that simple.
Right, you suddenly become so defensive, immediately after you claim that you don't care if you're lynched or not?

And just how clueless can you be, that you missed the day post a.k.a. the most important post of the game?
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 00:24 Fishball wrote:
On December 04 2010 00:20 Coagulation wrote:
On December 04 2010 00:05 Fishball wrote:
On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote:
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.

Anyway:

1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night


so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game.


If you are not Mafia, please re-read your own post after this game.
I wish life was that simple.



What the hell are you talking about "If your not mafia"
Hes been flipped a veteran...


Where, I'm blind and busy and I must have missed it again. Please quote for me.

I'm just saying that if he is not Mafia, based on what he said to pinpoint me as Mafia, his logic is just too easy - the type of player that can easily be manipulated.
All this despite almost half the posts after my post he quoted talking about me being a veteran.

Then he goes wild with accusations, first accusing jcarlsoniv, then Barundar, then trying to put up some excuse to get out of the thread and avoid the pressure now that he's sown some seeds of confusion:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:
2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying.
I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried.
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 00:20 Fishball wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies.

On December 03 2010 16:16 Barundar wrote:
TL seems to go down randomly. I checked Coa, and got a green result. He didn't have visitors.


So Barundar checks Coagulation and he gets a green result. (Alignment)
Coagulation checks someone else, and I get the other result. (Role)

If there are no more DT's in the game, and DH meant what he said, one of them is lying, or at the very least, the results they provided is false. This is an interesting situation, since Barundar checked our other DT.

If Barundar is sane/telling the truth, Coagulation would be Town aligned, but the results I get from his check would be false. Although I'm not entirely sure how a host can "fake" a role check, unless he just gives a totally random role back as a result, which is very not likely. The consequences is just too big, especially in a small game setup like this one.

If Barundar is insane/not telling the truth, Coagulation would either be Mafia, and has the ability to plant false messages like mentioned in my previous post, or Barunder is Mafia and trying to frame Coagulation.

Then there is the possibility that we misinterpreted DH's hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace entirely and both DT's are legit, but hey... who knows.

Now a lot of this doesn't really add up, and there is more I want to talk about, but I have to start getting some work done here so I'll leave you guys with the information above.

It is very important that if there is a 3rd DT, he should speak up now.

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote:
Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys.


And yet he's still here, trying to seem as townie as possible.


Here's a hint:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:There is no misinformation in mod posts or role PM's.


There IS no 3rd DT, and it's highly likely that both of these guys are lying compared to the possibility that Fishball is lying.
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:
On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town.


No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that.
He is so openly hostile to the town, and he claims that he has a role that activates upon death. The first KP of mafia was wasted, basically letting us free with one lynch. Why not have it be a guy whose death can potentially benefit us, if he's lying?



This is ridiculous. It's pretty fucking clear we're dealing with either a mafia or a disillusioned townie who doesn't really feel like participating in the game. He never responds to my second post, instead focusing on my first post immediately after being hit and selectively ignoring anything that pressures him. He tries to deflect accusations to discussion about fake roleclaims, and always leaves a hole to run away with his posts of "oh, I'm busy, so I'll let you guys talk."


If you really are a guy with a spirit inside, then we're gonna benefit even more from your lynch. From what the town's gotten from you, you're more beneficial to us lynched than alive.


I give you four words. R-O-F-L.
If you are Mafia, I'm not going to bother, but if you are town, refer to my previous post. I don't have time for merry-go-round rides.

Hey, lynch me if you must, I'm not going anywhere.
靈魂交響曲
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
December 03 2010 18:06 GMT
#500
On December 04 2010 03:06 Coagulation wrote:
fishball can you read this

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 01:21 deconduo wrote:
On December 04 2010 01:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 04 2010 00:55 LSB wrote:
On December 04 2010 00:52 deconduo wrote:
Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking.

Very risky, remeber, they probably checked a doctor. And fishball is very certantly not lieing
I'd rather it go, Fishball reveals the role. Coag Decides whether or not to flip who it is.


I like this idea. It will let us utilize our information.


Well then, coag decides whether or not to flip, but Fishball has to reveal the name first if coag chooses yes.



No I can't read this.
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