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yeah LSB is really scummy if you reread his post it really comes off as him subtley wanting power most likely to redirect the first lynch.
I think he realizes the power of a mayoral lynch and its effects on the mafia. Imagine if a player with really strong analysis got it, they could just ignore what the masses say and get a red, while the masses can be manipulated its much harder to get a single strong willed individual to bend to your will, and anyone who is running for mayor especially with so much effort and force isn't going to easily concede their opinion to you.
If mafia realizes that they have to realize that a majority vote favors them day one because it allows them to manipulate people from writing in the thread or PM land, either way.
LSB is seriously a great lynch candidate because he tries to make us think the the MoM's influence is only for the first day, which is true but he is downplaying its strength when held by a good player. Since the role comes with no actual extra power the next night as long as he listened to the majority vote which would most likely be wrong then his head isn't going to be up for grabs he did the town sided thing, which is what any player does when they don't want to die.
The point of this game isn't to do what is popular, but to do what you know is right. Doing what is popular might get people to not kill you (including the mafia) but it won't yield results. If I am elected mayor I will put my balls on the line, argue into my fingers are red and try to support every action I do. If I fuck up the lynch because I went against popular opinion then I did it with reasoning. If someone wants to just go with a sheep vote it opens up so many cop outs.
For all the reasons I outlined, LSB is most likely red and I am willing to put my neck out for my opinion because I have balls and don't need any cop out excuses. If I fuck it up I will own up to that and show you why I fucked up and learned from that. The important thing is that any vocal townie who is going to sway people can't be a mafia or it will fuck you for days. No one can go unquestioned, every day even if someone has a great idea there should be someone saying "why?" otherwise its going to be Salem all over again.
I want to be a mayor because I won't fuck around and I won't try to take the easy way out, and I will always be looking for the next move we can make to secure victory.
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I'd rather have a mayor withbrains over balls 
But seriously you have this vendetta against LSB which has really caused me to discount you. If you weren't so dead set on killing LSB then yeah I'd definetly consider voting for you but as it stands every practically every single one of your posts has been attacking LSB. Do I think LSB's plan is bad? Yes! Do I think there is some suspicion surronding LSB? Yes again. Do I think killing him NO MATTER WHAT is a good thing? Hell no. I don't care how far you're willing to stick your neck out on this lynch if I don't think the person you're lynching is the right choice.
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who would you kill instead of LSB meapak?
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You guys asked for my analysis of LSB and my actual thoughts and now I gave them. I don't see the problem. Airbag asks a solid question, you really haven't said much about who you would lynch apart from saying that I am crazy and LSB is suspicious.
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On December 12 2010 13:13 Airbag wrote:
who would you kill instead of LSB meapak?
I already said this, I would kill one of the mayor candidates, most likely decon because he got a lot of votes that came really out of nowhere or possible zeks or ken but I'll wait until the election is over to make my final decision. I would of course lynch LSB if the overwhelming majority of the town wanted that but right now I just don't see him as the best bet.
I do have my eye on a couple of people who are not mayor candidates but I'd like to see their behavior play out some more.
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On December 12 2010 11:47 Airbag wrote:
I really feel now that if the mayor is elected honestly he should lynch LSB
im thinking about what his goal and intention is:
1. to control/direct town the way HE wants it
2. to make a private vote (if he is mafia easily he can pretend they voted differently than they did)
3. fished on me to see if I might be blue
4. more interested in defending himself and making HIMSELF look good and pro-town than he is to actually find and kill mafia/contribute something useful
that sort of arrogant attitude sounds like a mafia trying to force our trust and make us follow him
who is better to lynch at this point?
i would say lynching LSB is better than a inactive
seems like if he was mafia tho his scum buddys would be defending or suggesting other people.
so far its been too quite for me to really suspect him.
but the subtle "role fish" is pretty much the best we have to go on at this point
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I guess if I am not going to win this mayoral election I might as well back another candidate. Meapak doesn't seem absolutely terrible. Except when he questions me.
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Why are you giving any thought to RoL, when he clearly mentioned that he will ignore the majority opinion and vote based on feelings? This is ridiculous! Come on, if someone just comes by and says "hey, vote for me, I'm going to kill whoever I want to kill" you'd be a complete idiot to vote for him, and that's exactly what he's saying. Need I repeat this again?
On December 12 2010 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I did not once say I would listen to anyone. The masses are stupid and filled with scum and scum implanted ideas. On December 12 2010 06:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
but that is effort I don't want to put into stuff! Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB for not hitting incognito/infundiblium in TMM2.
Again, if you didn't get it:
The masses are stupid Its actually not even a hunch, [b]I just want to kill LSB
Are you really going to vote for someone who openly says he won't be held accountable for whoever he kills?
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I am pretty sure I just conceded my candidacy. On top of that I barely had 2 votes one of which was from myself. You are also quoting things I said from pages back that I half redacted.
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On December 12 2010 14:39 orgolove wrote:Why are you giving any thought to RoL, when he clearly mentioned that he will ignore the majority opinion and vote based on feelings? This is ridiculous! Come on, if someone just comes by and says "hey, vote for me, I'm going to kill whoever I want to kill" you'd be a complete idiot to vote for him, and that's exactly what he's saying. Need I repeat this again? Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I did not once say I would listen to anyone. The masses are stupid and filled with scum and scum implanted ideas. Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 06:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
but that is effort I don't want to put into stuff! Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB for not hitting incognito/infundiblium in TMM2. Again, if you didn't get it: Are you really going to vote for someone who openly says he won't be held accountable for whoever he kills?
err EBWOP sorry
I said I would fully be accountable for who I killed btw. Its a burden I would be willing to take on. Look at my above post with my LSB analysis. In this current system if we voted for LSB he would be able to sherk off blame/responsibility because the masses made the decision even though hes the one pulling the trigger. It is really stupid to pretend that it is still a majority lynch, that is like saying America is a true democracy even though someone else is making the final decision. I was willing to take the burden of the MoM kill in deciding who I was going to put down and on top of that I was willing to take responsibility for that outcome. I would be lying if I said that I think a majority decision is always the best way to do it. The mafia is rightfully scared of one good player getting that first kill off and it not belonging to a townie. Its hard to mount a really strong case against someone day 1 and its much easier for the mafia to manipulate a mislynch which is why they would prefer to do exactly what LSB is doing and deferring the mislynch back into the towns hands and allowing us to fuck it up on our own volition, or so we would be led to believe.
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You posted that while I was typing up my post.
Going beyond the simple mayoral candidacy, I'm highly suspicious of RoL since he kept arguing for a secret mayor decision instead of a majority guided vote. This isn't a matter of anger or emotion - it's simple logic. If you are against something that is 100% in favor of giving more power to the town, then you are either a red, or a green who will only be a burden to the rest of the town. His arguments these past few pages smothered all other discussion and gave mafia more time to rush the vote now. Brilliant strategy if you are a red, which I think you are.
The "secret vote" idea of LSB was pretty scummy. But at least that is a type of idea for which he could be held accountable. Given enough pressure, I'm sure we could've forced him to cough out the vote list. But here we have someone who not only ran for mayor, but ran based on a platform of completely ignoring the town's votes.
You can't possibly be more scummy than that.
If you read over the posts carefully, even you will be highly, highly suspicious of RebirthOfLegenD.
By the way, there can't be a VI this game (Village Idiot).
1. VI is a terrible role to put in a game such as this without actually revealing its presence.
2. Node mentioned that each role is somehow related to the name of the character. Even me, with a cursory knowledge of HP, can see that there can't be anyone in that list who clearly fits the stereotype of a village idiot.
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On December 12 2010 14:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 14:39 orgolove wrote:Why are you giving any thought to RoL, when he clearly mentioned that he will ignore the majority opinion and vote based on feelings? This is ridiculous! Come on, if someone just comes by and says "hey, vote for me, I'm going to kill whoever I want to kill" you'd be a complete idiot to vote for him, and that's exactly what he's saying. Need I repeat this again? On December 12 2010 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I did not once say I would listen to anyone. The masses are stupid and filled with scum and scum implanted ideas. On December 12 2010 06:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
but that is effort I don't want to put into stuff! Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB for not hitting incognito/infundiblium in TMM2. Again, if you didn't get it: The masses are stupid Its actually not even a hunch, I just want to kill LSB Are you really going to vote for someone who openly says he won't be held accountable for whoever he kills? err EBWOP sorry I said I would fully be accountable for who I killed btw. Its a burden I would be willing to take on. Look at my above post with my LSB analysis. In this current system if we voted for LSB he would be able to sherk off blame/responsibility because the masses made the decision even though hes the one pulling the trigger. It is really stupid to pretend that it is still a majority lynch, that is like saying America is a true democracy even though someone else is making the final decision. I was willing to take the burden of the MoM kill in deciding who I was going to put down and on top of that I was willing to take responsibility for that outcome. I would be lying if I said that I think a majority decision is always the best way to do it. The mafia is rightfully scared of one good player getting that first kill off and it not belonging to a townie. Its hard to mount a really strong case against someone day 1 and its much easier for the mafia to manipulate a mislynch which is why they would prefer to do exactly what LSB is doing and deferring the mislynch back into the towns hands and allowing us to fuck it up on our own volition, or so we would be led to believe.
What the hell. You're really going far off with the
[B]On December 12 2010 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The masses are stupid
idea.
The only way we can have a chance of winning is by understanding and exploiting the town's only advantage - THE NUMBERS. If what you really say is true, how is it that the normal mafia setups (most famously, F9), always have a majority lynch system, and start off the first day immediately doing a majority lynch?
Irregardless of the red's ability to manipulate public opinion, the millions of successful mafia games using the regular setup clearly show that we aren't as "stupid" as you may think. Know your place. You can't speak for the rest of us.
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You are ignoring the possibility of a traitor role which if we are grading by likelyness as compared to the harry potter universe is extremely plausible with the imperious curse.
I can't see how you could argue that what I was suggesting is zero responsibility while saying what LSB is doing accepts blame. If I am a person pushing so hard for a lynch and that person dies and flips green whose head are you coming for the next day? When towns fuck up and mislynch day 1 does anyone really get blamed for it? or is it just a bunch of people going "lol day 1 info sucks newayz" this example becomes even more extreme when one person completely controls the lynch, delegating that power is just delegating responsibility which gets us no where information wise.
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I reasonably think the majority of towns are dumb on day 1. When is the last time you saw a successful lynch day 1? Stop quoting fucking mafia basics at me orgo, I get the idea of informed minority vs uninformed majority. I am sure people have the capacity to be smart but it is never fully utilized. If this were a game overwhelmed by skill and pro players maybe I would give what your saying more value but the truth is Day 1 is probably better left to an individual decision then a shitty majority decision. Also stop saying that its a secret kill, this entire game I have been completely open with exactly what I was doing and planning. I said kill LSB, I gave reasons and justified everything I said. If you wanted to discuss or debate points about it I have always been more than open to do so.
As far as what I have been doing besides arguing to kill LSB is constantly rereading the thread for the last 5 hours getting reads on certain players to make sure that if I get the opportunity to put my balls on the table and kill someone that I am as damn sure as I can be that who I am lynching is red. In fact, until day 1 is over I will not be done analyzing everything that has been and will be said.
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And yet you think your interpretation of the "lol day 1 info" will be better than the collective understanding of 21 townies given the same set of clues? The lynch is the only consistent power townies have to take out a red. The reds have information, but they don't have the numbers. We have the numbers, but not the information. A majority lynch is the only way we can fight back. While one person may miss a vital clue, if 21 people stick together then we can't possibly lose this. If you are truly pro-town, how can you even begin to suggest anything otherwise?
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On December 12 2010 13:13 Airbag wrote:
who would you kill instead of LSB meapak?
Why does it matter when meapak says he's gonna have votes on first lynch?
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You are just ignoring 90% of what I said.... I am sure I could miss some stuff, I am not perfect. I said I would listen to what everyone said but at the end of the day my decision wouldn't be a majority lynch.
I don't see why you are so content to argue in circles and ignore obvious answers that are in front of you, your misguided, your wrong, and you don't know how to read and comprehend posts. I am not going to waste any more posts arguing the same thing over and over again with you orgolove.
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Is there a separate voting thread?
I can't find it
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On December 12 2010 15:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
your misguided, your wrong, and you don't know how to read and comprehend posts
Sure. And you're a paragon of a mafia player as well.
Anyway, Can I hear some reasons why people are voting for deconduo or Meapak?
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