BC and RoL: Salem Mafia

it'll cause mad suspicions on me dude, dta is already trying to get me lynched just cause some idiot already roleclaimed to me

i didn't get busdriver, i was kidding

i'm not telling anybody my role yet. if a DT confirms to me or something then I'll confirm it to them, but for now my lips are sealed ;o

as should yours be

if you are a DT though, i may have some advice/use for you. don't tell me if you are, just take my advice in stride when I give it if you are the DT. if you know a DT, pass it on.

i'd like to see you active in PM's in this game at least, since you don't really react much in thread

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Original Message From Kenpachi:
hey maybe you should reveal this PM in the thread to bait some scum who will try to alter this from blue or red role to confirmed red role(without my name and this reply ofc) Though, agressive players might take the bait and analyze this post like crazy.. If you feel this would cause suspicions on you, you dont have to.

Also, do some, all or none of the green townies get some random role? you got busdriver and that isnt a blue role..
BTW, idk how you got the assumption that i cant be green
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Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
well i kno u cant be green since you said you're not miller

i wont reveal u as probable blue/red thought. you don't have to roleclaim to me if you don't want but I am going to be trying to form a town circle.

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Original Message From Kenpachi:
or i might be a special townie :D
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Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
so ur just normal townie right

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Original Message From Kenpachi:
No.. im not the miller or a witch last time i checked (2 minutes ago)
dunno if i can believe that your a DT

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Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
im the dt and i checked you

you're mafia :/

r u the miller?

why are you voting me.
vote at least darth or youngminii.
wtf

Hey,
I'm not sure if you are feeding DrH false info or not, but don't let him role fish from you.

When he said he DT checked you, that is impossible because DT checks don't occur until nigthtime.

There are also no other secret roles besides the ones listed on the front page as well.

gl surviving the lynch.

-Kita

Youngminii is just making it up. He just wants to protect BB. you can tell his vote was rushed because he posted 1 minute after her voted. I might end up switching to BB.
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
well
Barunder voted me to call me out.. nothing to say so i ignored him
Protactinium voted me for being inactive.. idk i feel active now
Aeres voted me as a placeholder/inactivity
Node is a dumb bandwagoner
KtheZ voted me for voting annul for no reason? well he shouldnt care if annul isnt even a major suspect
and now youngminii voted me for a terrible reason

;;..
well my view is that people couldnt find a good reason to post and decided to vote me or BrownBear
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Original Message From SouthRawrea:
I wasn't entirely sure why people were voting you after reading the posts from pages 18-20 so I was wondering what your view on it was.

If you are a blue role, you should probably claim now because theres a 50/50 chance you'll be lynched if you don't.

I'm not trying to fish for a claim or anything, I'm just pointing this out.

Well as townie I often defend and instead of retaliating because my opinions could very well be biased, I analyze the gameplays of different players.

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Original Message From Kenpachi:
OFC. Im a townie so its normal.. and WTF NODE?
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Original Message From SouthRawrea:
So your suspicions are soley retaliatory?

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Original Message From Kenpachi:
Though for suspects, if BB turns out Red, Youngminii is red. I suspect Node and Deconduo
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Original Message From SouthRawrea:
Haha nope. IMHO DrH is townie or traitor and Pandain is medic or traitor. You have any suspicions? ALso looks like you'll live unless there's a last minute bandwagon haha.

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Original Message From Kenpachi:
Hey have you confirmed that Deconduo is a townie?
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Original Message From SouthRawrea:
Well because his experiment may have to do with the votes on Brownbear and Brownbear's death. I may post that in thread :/ but it's a bad idea IMO. There's not enough time to warrant enough a reaction from a PM quote.

This is what Deconduo told me : "Its a secret, you'll see what it is if brownbear gets lynched.

"
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
It feels like his experiment is to bait me out and do something about it..
i already pmed him and said i wouldnt roleclaim cause i can defend myself

why would he want me alive and vote for me at a crucial moment?
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Original Message From SouthRawrea:
PM him about it.. and then PM me. I've got a PM saying that his experiment is about when Brownbear gets lynched. Don't let him know you're in contact with me though or what I just told you for obvious reasons. I'm curious as to what he's doing so more information=better. i think he wants you alive for some reason though for his experiment.

Sorry I'm not sure what I can say, but Ghrur's flip is really incriminates you.

Annul's posts are bad, but others are too. Is there anything in particular that sticks out to you?

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Original Message From Kenpachi:
His posts are bad.
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Original Message From JimboSilvers:
Hmm that certainly is a possibility. The thing i was most curious about, as I posted, was his claim that he always "heavily defends" himself when attacked, but ignored pandain's accusation the first time when he wasn't in danger. I guess it could be cluelessness, but I'm not too certain. Even if it was carelessness, why do you think its suspicious?
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
haha i forgot that people think Mafia altered the vote, which is certainly a possibility. i think its an accomplishment because i put much effort into defending myself.

Well it probably is rage but i think its also cluelessness. I dont think he posted anything since pandain put up his analysis till i reposted it so thats also another reason, hes also being really careless because he has posted in Sengoku mafia during the time. His post directing my repost was terrible. Im sure he thought i was reposting to get people to vote for him instead of me but the voting was over for the day. Yea.. it seemed like he thought it was still Day1.
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Original Message From JimboSilvers:
Well yeah, I'm kinda worried that the mafia had something to do with yesterday's lynch. I did notice the pages leading up to the lynch which makes me unsure about the whole thing. Just feeling around to see what we can do about it. The fact that you feel that staying alive is an accomplishment makes me think you're ok for now the reason being mafia wouldn't want to flaunt that "accomplishment".

How does clueless justify an FOS? To me it seems more like rage instead of cluelessness.
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
you seem pretty anxious o_O..

well about the votes, not much because i feel it as an accomplishment because since i cant tell people to not vote for me, i had to make them vote brownbear. just read the 2 pages before the Night post ;D

and about annul, i just posted Pandain's analysis as a reminder and not to mindfuck annul or such. He seemed pretty clueless ~_~ so i have my FoS on him.
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Original Message From JimboSilvers:
Hey there! Yesterday's lynch was pretty close. What do you think about the vote lists/counts? I also noticed that when you reposted Pandain's accusation annul blew out. What do you think of that?

Thanks!!

Original Message From Pandain:
btw the key word is "admitted"
not "said", not "told you", but "admitted" aka, revealing something.
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
.............. HOW DOES THAT TELL YOU IM CHAOS LOL?
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Original Message From Pandain:
"never admitted that I was chaos ensurgent."
Well well... so you are? hehe
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
and i forgot miller didnt know he was miller and i asked WHY you would think im a chaos ensurgent over miller and i got my answer to that BUT, i never admitted i was chaos ensurgent
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Original Message From Pandain:
miller does NOT know his role. Therefore, you must be chaos ensurgent since you admitted you are one of the two.
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
. . . What the fuck
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Original Message From Pandain:
So yeah, I'm about to say this. I've revealed you as chaos ensurgent.



I'm going to go ahead and say we lynch kenpachi. I'm almost certain he's chaos ensurgent. My pms with him share the stoyr. It starts from the bottem


Now, he has said that he's either miller of chaos ensurgent. Furthormore, we know that miller does NOT know of his role. He already has admitted he IS a special townie, so therefore the only role he actually can be is chaos insurgent.
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
uhh yea i wont give you my role at all because i wont take my chances of communicating with a red
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Original Message From Pandain:
So you're saying your one of them, but won't tell, if i understand correctlY?
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
Why would oyu assume in chaos and not miller? Is miller not special enough? i might have said special townie to throw him off. Would there be any reason for me to hint that im chaos to DrH? If i dont trust him, i certainly would not roll a die and guess hes a red. and isnt there only 1 chaos and didnt he die?

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Original Message From Pandain:
if you're just green then you wouldn't be special, now would you?

So you're blue. Or chaos ensurgent of course
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
okay im a special townie. i can be a green with a hidden role or a blue townie. There are no green with a hidden role so im a green or blue townie.
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Original Message From Pandain:
but you SAID you were a special townie. Not that "you might be."

Furthormore why would you think that Doc H would be townie and not in fact blue, if he was indeed tellign the truth.
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
I explained it before. i thought Greens had hidden roles but they dont. I didnt trust DrH enough to tell him my role so i said that to include hidden green roles and blue roles.
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Original Message From Pandain:
what did you mean by special townie

so a red decided to claim to a blue that he's medic, therefore forcing him to be basically godfather, and if the medic does protect someone who's hit and that person dies, they're screwed.

just think about it man at least. 'night
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
Im just saying atleast 1 of em can be red and that medic might not be a medic. What if one is just red and plans to kill 1 of em later and not make it obvious? im sure thats what Ghrur planned when he pmed his 'suspects' to Amber[light]
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Original Message From Pandain:
Again, so now your saying Doctor H knew the blues, but didn't kill them, instead decided to use them to check a blue, and set up a town circle that way???? Instead of just wiping it out and not letting everyone know? Obviously he had already revealed he had a medic, but why should he have even revealed that someone claimed to him with that?
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
There is a change all 3 of you are, or 2 of you, or just 1. cant take any chances
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Original Message From Pandain:
doc h knew two blue roles last night.
and neither of them died?
furthormore south confirms Dr. H does have a DT. So the question is...

Do you really believe all 3 of us are scum?
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
Its not safe because I dont trust you or DrH
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Original Message From Pandain:
so even though you would be safe, you won't claim to a town circle because....?
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
who cares i wont give my role away at all
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Original Message From Pandain:
we knowez the medic?
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
dunno but i just know my death will be caused by my claim
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Original Message From Pandain:
how so
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
I wont claim. bad things come after that..
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Original Message From Pandain:
LOL
decided the "admitted" isn't enough to pin you as scum.

If you're blue, you should seriously claim to dr. h.
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
what the hell man ....
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Original Message From Pandain:
is english your first language

Fair enough. Hope everything works out!
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
Ill tell you once DrH doesnt believe me because that defeats the purpose of pming the don of the Town circle
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Original Message From Aeres:
If you have nothing to lose, then would you mind if you told me what role you are? I agree, the Doc doesn't seem completely innocent, but I'd like to find some way to save you if I can. It'd be nice if you could survive a game without being under scrutiny the whole time. =(

It's your call whether to claim to me, of course. Just saying the option's there.
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
No im completely screwed over. i roleclaimed to DrH and am awaiting his reply..
All PM Exchanges were negative and will be revealed
I honestly dont trust even DrH but what have i got to lose?
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Original Message From Aeres:
Looks like everyone's gunning for you now, man. =(

Do you have any kind of defense? A way to redeem yourself, prove you're town? A roleclaim, PM exchange, anything?

Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
The problem is I don't have a strong other lynch besides Glasse. The rest of the town circle hasn't been active right now, I'll discuss your claim with them in due time.
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
soooooooo? anything special happen? will you do anything? tell me anything?
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Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
Who did you protect night 1?

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Original Message From Kenpachi:
I took Pandain's advice on rethinking about telling you my role.. Am a stubborn person and being an early quitter will only hurt town so i have no choice but to roleclaim. I am the second medic. i still dont trust you but there is noone better to trust.
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Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
You don't trust me?

I know a DT, a Medic, A vet, and now a mad hatter who's basically willing to put his bombs where I tell him

why would i kill random noobs like barundar?

Because right now I can't decide if you're scum or node/dta are scum and I need some more information to make up my mind. If you are lynched and flip blue, I'll avenge ye

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Original Message From Kenpachi:
So pandain has the assumption that im chaos through a chain of Pms hes gonna release. I dont trust you so why would i roleclaim to you?
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Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
You need to roleclaim at least to me and the town circle to stay alive.

The current debate is if DTA/Node are full of shit trying to get you killed and that Ghrur was just adding node as a suspect to stay ont he safe side or if the voting point is a good one

as long as you play in the dark with this "special townie" bullshit which makes no sense, it's not getting anywhere past WIFOM.

Original Message From Pandain:
you don't trust me so you roleclaimed? hehe
honestly im more suspicious of you now than before.
wtf with that special townie then
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
I dont trust you but im gonna die in 3 hours. doesnt matter to me anymore

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Original Message From Pandain:
ya
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Original Message From Kenpachi:
first answer my question
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Original Message From Pandain:
what are you.

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Original Message From Kenpachi:
are you connected with DocH? i roleclaimed to him and he doesnt believe me ..
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Original Message From Pandain:
deal

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Original Message From Kenpachi:
I can bet you that he will turn up green
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Original Message From Pandain:
lynch protcact you silly Chaso ensurgent/blue

no reason to lynch node especially as he definitely isn't going to be lynched