EPTBC and RoL: Salem Mafia - Page 35
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12971 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
What is this? Why lynching Kenpachi would be a bad move: 1.Kenpachi is certainly not mafia. If he did, why in the world would he claim "special townie", thereby bringing unwanted attention upon himself? That would just be a dumb move. Furthormore, there is no real EVIDENCE of Kenpachi being mafia besides the fact that Brownbear WASN'T mafia, and therefore analyzing how brownbear got lynched somehow makes him mafia(note sarcasm.) Furthormore, he is pretty clearly either Chaos Ensurgent or blue, as that is the only real thing where "special townie" makes sense. If he's blue, its certainly bad. If he's chaos ensurgent, he's STILL a bad choice. Why? Because lynching a Chaos ensurgent really offers us no information. Note how nobody has really been defending Kenpachi, at least there isn't that sense of "omg must save kenpachi" that mafia would've typically done. Instead, there's quiet disagreements, but no outright attempt. This makes me think mafia is at least content to let him be lynched, as for some reason people have decided to lynch for really no reason. Heck, ghrur's vote didn't even put it in favor of kenpachi! That was aeres' vote that changed the tide. Even furthor, by assuming ghrur's vote implies that he was saving him, you're implying he's mafia. So your evidence that kenpachi is "mafia" relies on the assumption that he IS mafia. Which is not very sound logic, btw  . Further, if he's chaos ensurgent, then we'll have no real info. Mafia don't know who CE is, and what else will it tell us? That some people are quietly arguing against a lynch that is stupid anyway? Really, its a bad move, if you're going to lynch for information. The only way it could was if he was mafia, which as I proved above, doesn't make sense. Sadly I should've been more active, I have a bad habit of waiting till the last second of doing an analysis and deciding to vote for him -.-. Mah' bad  | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Also he voted for kenpachi which is something mafia would love to take the opportunity to bandwagon on. | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/s4m4h.png) yum yum + Show Spoiler + I'm not saying anything with this post, just a joke. Maybe. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
To change now might be exactly what the mafia what. Granted, he might be town. But I don't want to risk the chance that he's mafia and then let him get away because the town is wishy washy -__-. For those of you commenting on my "lying", yea, I did lie. Initially, I was being cautious with DrH, but I was convinced that he was town pretty quickly - I continued to pressure him just to check his reaction, but after the first day or so, I posted my actual thoughts. Why? Because the first day is generally "oh there's nothing to talk about," so you have to make it something to talk about. On December 01 2010 04:49 Pandain wrote: Why? Because lynching a Chaos ensurgent really offers us no information. Note how nobody has really been defending Kenpachi, at least there isn't that sense of "omg must save kenpachi" that mafia would've typically done. Instead, there's quiet disagreements, but no outright attempt. This makes me think mafia is at least content to let him be lynched, as for some reason people have decided to lynch for really no reason. There is now! And if he is a CE, we still want to kill him... not sure what that part of your post is about. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
I wouldn't be at all surprised if mafia is just sitting back and letting town kill itself. Because, if Kenpachi dies and flips town, where else do we have to go? Something I have been wondering about: On November 29 2010 14:54 DarthThienAn wrote: My (and deconduo's) experiment succeeded. Why would I not heed the results? O_O. I already thought day 1's voting was strange. ghrur flipping red only made it even more suspicious. I'd be a fool to NOT vote for you, unless you have a valid reason? What the hell "experiment" are you talking about? You're implying that you were in PMs with deconduo before he died. If you were scum, you got him targeted. If you're town, you've held back information. What's going on, DTA? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On December 01 2010 05:51 DarthThienAn wrote: I'd be more willing to switch from Kenpachi if exactly what I was seeing wasn't happening (ie. late push to switch). We can definitely get info out of lynching him. If he flips town, we can look for a more even distribution between bandwagons by mafia members the first day. If mafia, then we check BB's bandwagon, blah blah all this pointed out before. To change now might be exactly what the mafia what. Granted, he might be town. But I don't want to risk the chance that he's mafia and then let him get away because the town is wishy washy -__-. For those of you commenting on my "lying", yea, I did lie. Initially, I was being cautious with DrH, but I was convinced that he was town pretty quickly - I continued to pressure him just to check his reaction, but after the first day or so, I posted my actual thoughts. Why? Because the first day is generally "oh there's nothing to talk about," so you have to make it something to talk about. There is now! And if he is a CE, we still want to kill him... not sure what that part of your post is about. What evidence do you have that kenpachi is scum. Furthormore, there is at least a decent chance that kenpachi is blue. I'd rather lynch mafia than a potential blue/potential CE anyway, seeing as mafia would have the information and the kp. Even further, lynching a CE brings NO information to town since mafia don't know who he is. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On December 01 2010 05:21 Aeres wrote: + Show Spoiler [You better watch yourself, panda boy.] + yum yum + Show Spoiler + I'm not saying anything with this post, just a joke. Maybe. Jesus fuck lol.... I'll save you if he tries something panda! | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On December 01 2010 06:02 Coagulation wrote: pandain now if kenpachi flips red your ass is gonna be dead talking like that.. Well, what about the rest of him? Surely killing only his ass would be a waste of resources! =O Seriously, though, why are people so adamant about the idea that there are two Chaos Ensuants? Is there any evidence for this claim, or are we accounting for mere hypotheticals? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I don't know, Kenpachi has a lot of votes on him, I think normally the mafia doesn't like an organized town, even if it's an organized town that's wrong. They'd still use this time to try to convince people that others are mafia or to just cause confusion. If they knew he was blue/green, they'd try to defend him so that if he flips it then they can be like ah ha! I helped him! told you all! I'm not mafia, blah blah blah, WIFOM, all that good shit. I think there's a high chance he's being bussed. Still not sold on it yet so that's why I'm abstaining. Also, since coag called me out on it I can't very well just switch my vote without giving the explanation i'm giving here and I don't want mafia reading what i wrote lol. C/P-ed from convo with DocH I think late game mafia is more likely to just sit back and let town make mistakes but early game, from all the games I've played, mafia LOVEEE it if two townies were pitted against each other and 20 pages of spam filled accusations and counter retorts were made. This makes it harder to analyze all posts later and also gets people on edge and distrustful of each other. To see that there's barely any move by the mafia to either try to save him or get someone else on the board suggests that maybe he's being bussed. My two cents. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
he pretty much stopped defending himself at this point wich is pretty common scumtell for mafia who are getting bussed... (trying to avoid scumslips.) | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On November 27 2010 08:07 Glasse wrote: hi, don't waste a blue role on me, not worth it. (medic, dt, other stuff we have) meatshield represent. Seriously, what on earth is this? It's not like you really took it back the next post either? I realize that people have PMs on this and if there is anything useful in them such as motives or intents feel free to share them. On November 28 2010 06:53 Glasse wrote: wow pming drh is a bad thing i guess he just posts everything rofl Why would posting information publicly be bad? Assuming that you're not revealing your role or anything too important, you'd really have nothing to be afraid of regardless of who is posting it unless you have something to hide which you don't. You're green right? On November 28 2010 09:43 Glasse wrote: yea now that i actually read them that's kinda true :3 Just catching his mistake or scumslip. On November 30 2010 23:17 Glasse wrote: Alright i can't be on for the rest of the vote ends so i'm going to vote myself due to me thinking kenpachi is town and he's an easy bandwagon for scum. I'll try to be more active in the future, lots of work to do at college these days. If you were fully aware that you were going to be inactive for the rest of the vote, why not give reasons for why you are suspicious of certain other people instead of effectively abstaining by voting yourself? Aside from the PMs which I should probably ask DrH about in PMland, there's been nothing but early game spam, an immediate (and pointless) green claim that really suits no purpose but to distance yourself from the discussion and a potential scumslip. Now I know he might not be on to defend but it seems that he has a failed attempt to clear himself from suspicion, disregards any town discussion but posts semi-regularily to avoid being one of the inactive lynch candidates. In a slow game like this, the best way to hide as mafia is to not discuss anything important. Alot of the scum are in hiding this game and Glasse stands out as scum who's made an early game slipup. To me, he is a better lynch candidate than Kenpachi and so I'm voting him. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On December 01 2010 06:26 SouthRawrea wrote: Since noone is really doing much, I'd like to put the spotlight on Glasse. I've been a little wary of you from the beginning. Seriously, what on earth is this? It's not like you really took it back the next post either? I realize that people have PMs on this and if there is anything useful in them such as motives or intents feel free to share them. Why would posting information publicly be bad? Assuming that you're not revealing your role or anything too important, you'd really have nothing to be afraid of regardless of who is posting it unless you have something to hide which you don't. You're green right? Just catching his mistake or scumslip. If you were fully aware that you were going to be inactive for the rest of the vote, why not give reasons for why you are suspicious of certain other people instead of effectively abstaining by voting yourself? Aside from the PMs which I should probably ask DrH about in PMland, there's been nothing but early game spam, an immediate (and pointless) green claim that really suits no purpose but to distance yourself from the discussion and a potential scumslip. Now I know he might not be on to defend but it seems that he has a failed attempt to clear himself from suspicion, disregards any town discussion but posts semi-regularily to avoid being one of the inactive lynch candidates. In a slow game like this, the best way to hide as mafia is to not discuss anything important. Alot of the scum are in hiding this game and Glasse stands out as scum who's made an early game slipup. To me, he is a better lynch candidate than Kenpachi and so I'm voting him. I'll start defending myself once i have the majority of votes on me, i don't care if people are still suspicious about me, because for now i dont have to worry about town wasting a lynch since nobody is 100% confirmed. Oh and i got a break before my games so I'll read/post for a bit | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
On December 01 2010 06:37 Glasse wrote: I'll start defending myself once i have the majority of votes on me All right, switching to you, then. | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On December 01 2010 06:47 Aeres wrote: I'm getting pretty annoyed at how Kenpachi seems to be flip-flopping votes all over the place with no justification. What's the deal? im frustrated | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On December 01 2010 06:47 Aeres wrote: I'm getting pretty annoyed at how Kenpachi seems to be flip-flopping votes all over the place with no justification. What's the deal? i don't feel like hes red so i'm not voting for him, idk about others though. it seems like reds would probably focus on 1 person to put votes on to lynch instead of spreading to like 5 others. If kenpachi turns green i would look carefully at who voted for him. | ||
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