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kitaman27
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On November 30 2010 18:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Honestly it's pretty important I coordinate with medics tonight.
I can't announce who needs to be protected in public, as it'll be too transparent for the mafia to figure out who is who. I know I'm asking for a lot of roleclaims, but that is what is going to win us this game. I'm thinking that a mass roleclaim might not even be such a bad idea. Mafia are the only players in this game that need to lie and considering how many blues have confirmed to me already, it could be a huge trap.
I'm not going to ask for that yet.
But if you're the second medic and you feel cool claiming to me, do it. If not, don't. I just want to make sure I live along with another important townie.
Sigh I must sound like a broken record. Have we all given up and assumed DrH knowing most of the roles is our only hope on day 2? Even if you turn out town, I think everyone should be more cautious. Why is he our go-to man, rather than Southrawrea, who has been "confrimed" by a detective? Is the rest of the town so passive that we have rely on him winning it for everyone and hope it doesn't backfire? You plant the seed for a mass roleclaim, which would essentially be an all-in move.
On November 30 2010 18:50 youngminii wrote:
Just so everyone knows in case DrH turns up as scum or something and tries to do something sneaky (which I doubt will happen anyway), I roleclaimed to him. Obviously I'm not going to say what my role is but chyeah there you go.
-_-
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I am not going to just settle for a nice easy bandwagon on Kenpachi. It seems like the mafia are just too content to let it happen. I have never once seen annul be so passive and give up like that, which makes me feel like he is just simple townie and has no special role and doesn't feel like not being special or something like that.
But I honestly don't know who I would rather vote for right now. I don't like how Amber keeps abstaining, I do believe that the town should want to use their lynch as much as they can. Vote going to him for now.
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On December 01 2010 00:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I am not going to just settle for a nice easy bandwagon on Kenpachi. It seems like the mafia are just too content to let it happen. I have never once seen annul be so passive and give up like that, which makes me feel like he is just simple townie and has no special role and doesn't feel like not being special or something like that.
But I honestly don't know who I would rather vote for right now. I don't like how Amber keeps abstaining, I do believe that the town should want to use their lynch as much as they can. Vote going to him for now.
You are aware that I'm more-or-less confirmed as town aligned, right? I don't think voting for me is going to work. I don't think anyone in their right mind should vote for me more than considering abstaining. You want me (and everybody) to use my power to lynch as much as I can, but you're throwing away your vote by even hinting at voting for me.
Do you see the huge gaping hole in your logic?
Why would you vote to lynch me? Because I'm abstaining? You are aware that the mafia have probably already thrown their votes in. It wouldn't surprise me if 1-2 mafia members have yet to throw out a vote, but they know what they're doing.
You don't want to settle on a nice easy bandwagon, but instead want to focus on me? You want to confirm the PM I received? It's going to do nothing to benefit the town, so maybe you should focus on someone who's actually got a paper trail to follow.
By lynching Kenpachi we obtain significant information about the entire day. And you don't want to settle on that? Guess we should just vote based upon post count! Kill inactives first because that method works flawlessly. Yes gunning for people who don't reveal information is the best usage case for day lynches. Don't divert the town, you're looking scummy.
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Alright, time to get down to business. For me at least since i haven't been the most active in this thread.
As for Kenpachi i must admit i don't think he is mafia. The events that occured during the last voting cycle definately points towards him being mafia since at least one known mafia helped switched the majority of the votes away from him.
However going by his posts and the other arguments people i have used aganist him i'm pretty sure he is a townie who got called out on something because there was nothing else to call people out on. By this i mean the "special" townie which i don't think meant anything special, and from there on he just got desperate. In any case i think Kenpachi is just a bit to of an impulsive poster who posts before thinking, which leads to a lot his posts seem very weird and weak, and i don't this fits into the mold of a player who is mafia.
Therefore tonight i'm going to vote for Darth as he is the one who has acted the most suspicious to me. He has posted a lot, however i could only find 3 posts which actually seemed to contribute anything worthvile.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2010 17:17 DarthThienAn wrote:
Some random thoughts on the setup: PMs are allowed. That means we'll have 1-2 blues less than we would otherwise, since PMs are typically a town-favored thing. Those of you confident enough, feel free to talk to people in PMs. Never disclose anything concrete about your role unless you're 100% sure about the other player's alignment. PM people based on what you see in the thread. Are you expecting them to be red or green or blue when you PM them? It's easy to discuss your suspicions about people. If you're close to certain that a player is mafia, and someone tries to persuade you otherwise, flag that person, and keep them in mind for later, when the flip comes.
Veteran/townies should obviously try to make themselves targets. You want to take hits. Some of you can try to pretend that you're blue, but the better way to get hit is be a positive contribution to the thread - generally, the more talking that goes on, the higher chance we have of finding someone. Plus, someone who actually pins a mafia player in thread will definitely be a desired target for the mafia.
I think the other roles are pretty straightforward - stay alive, and give us info. ^^
Just a general helpful post, nothing special.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 27 2010 17:04 DarthThienAn wrote:
Didn't you guys know? Protactinium is schizophrenic. That's why he said "we".
Seriously though, for those of you wondering, I'm voting for DrH currently because I think he's full of crap. Here's how I see it:
1) An actual medic roleclaimed to him: conclusion - medic is silly in the head, unless he's pulling shenanigans and claimed to someone else to bait mafia. Why? You don't know DrH's alignment, why would you RC with nothing in the game to look at? Simply because he's a "better player"? That's ridiculous -_-.
2) A mafia player claimed to him as medic - I'll agree that it's a little silly for mafia to RC medic, unless they plan on doing something fast. It would give DrH the power to "protect" certain players from mafia hits, by saying "protect this person". If that person gets hit, then the mafia gets outted.
3) A townie/non-medic claims medic - someone thinks they're good and is fishing. Otherwise, it's retarded.
4) DrH, mafia, lying, wants to make a huge ploy to become trusted in the town/get the names of some blues. And the "he'll attract too much attention" arguments don't apply here, because any mafia willing to attract attention is confident enough that they'll be able to handle/deflect it. I think this is more likely than the other 3 options, thought 1 is close. But with nothing to go on so far, this is my vote for now.
Also, I'd like to throw in that Protactinium's first post is retarded. I'd be happy to vote for him as well.
Analyzing the Dr.H medic claim, and states he thinks Dr.H is lying and he votes for him because of it (He thinks Dr.H. is scum)
+ Show Spoiler +On November 28 2010 17:48 DarthThienAn wrote:
I don't mind being the target for a DT check... but I wonder if it'd be better to use on someone else. From my perspective anyway. But I guess you all think I'm scum so maybe it is a worthwhile check. I'm going to go ahead and tell the DTs to check whoever they think is most likely to be scum.
One thing to be wary of though is bandwagons, no matter how legitimate they seem. ie. right now I might seem scummy, but if I get lynched/die, when I flip town, make a note of people who started it, and then make a note of people who pushed it.
That said, right now, I don't think DrH is mafia. I never did, because if a medic actually came up to him and he was, he wouldn't tell the town, he'd kill that person either n1 or n2, depending on how paranoid he was. If the whole thing was a scheme, I'd expect a better fake scenario than that. Not to mention that the mafia can win by preventing the town from doing anything (ie. Day 1 "there's no discussion to be had so let's not talk about anything") / if the town does nothing, the mafia win.
For those of you still wondering why I voted for Kenpachi, you'll notice that most of the times where Kenpachi was above BB, someone would bump up BB. Suspicious? I think so.
Claims he never thought Dr.H. is mafia which contradicts his earlier statement so he was lying in at least one of these posts which i'm lead to believe is a big nono since there is a philosophy called lynch all liars.
I ignored the posts about the experiment votes on Kenpachi since they weren't very long and decondue posted the same thing.
Besides this he also seems to pressure Kenpachi with some weak questions.
Kenpachi realized ghrur allignment was bad for him, and he directly jumps on him and asks if Kenpachi would rather have had that ghrur didn't die which just seemed like an attemp to throw wood on the fire that was already burning under Kenpachi (Maybe a weird way to express this but don't know the english equivalent to throwing wood on the fire unless it's the same ) to get him lynched.
Also i just want to point out although this seems a bit like it i am not trying to defend Kenpachi. I'm just trying to objectively look at the situation and since i believe Kenpachi is town and he is the main candidate for lynch right now, i thought i needed to adress why i aren't voting for him.
Therefore as you may have guessed i'm voting for Darth for now.
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On December 01 2010 00:18 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 18:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Honestly it's pretty important I coordinate with medics tonight.
I can't announce who needs to be protected in public, as it'll be too transparent for the mafia to figure out who is who. I know I'm asking for a lot of roleclaims, but that is what is going to win us this game. I'm thinking that a mass roleclaim might not even be such a bad idea. Mafia are the only players in this game that need to lie and considering how many blues have confirmed to me already, it could be a huge trap.
I'm not going to ask for that yet.
But if you're the second medic and you feel cool claiming to me, do it. If not, don't. I just want to make sure I live along with another important townie. Sigh I must sound like a broken record. Have we all given up and assumed DrH knowing most of the roles is our only hope on day 2? Even if you turn out town, I think everyone should be more cautious. Why is he our go-to man, rather than Southrawrea, who has been "confrimed" by a detective? Is the rest of the town so passive that we have rely on him winning it for everyone and hope it doesn't backfire? You plant the seed for a mass roleclaim, which would essentially be an all-in move. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 18:50 youngminii wrote:
Just so everyone knows in case DrH turns up as scum or something and tries to do something sneaky (which I doubt will happen anyway), I roleclaimed to him. Obviously I'm not going to say what my role is but chyeah there you go. -_-
It could be to SR if you'd like.
But let me put it this way:
-if the second medic claims to me, 2 mafia die.
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On December 01 2010 00:52 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 00:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I am not going to just settle for a nice easy bandwagon on Kenpachi. It seems like the mafia are just too content to let it happen. I have never once seen annul be so passive and give up like that, which makes me feel like he is just simple townie and has no special role and doesn't feel like not being special or something like that.
But I honestly don't know who I would rather vote for right now. I don't like how Amber keeps abstaining, I do believe that the town should want to use their lynch as much as they can. Vote going to him for now. You are aware that I'm more-or-less confirmed as town aligned, right? I don't think voting for me is going to work. I don't think anyone in their right mind should vote for me more than considering abstaining. You want me (and everybody) to use my power to lynch as much as I can, but you're throwing away your vote by even hinting at voting for me. Do you see the huge gaping hole in your logic? Why would you vote to lynch me? Because I'm abstaining? You are aware that the mafia have probably already thrown their votes in. It wouldn't surprise me if 1-2 mafia members have yet to throw out a vote, but they know what they're doing. You don't want to settle on a nice easy bandwagon, but instead want to focus on me? You want to confirm the PM I received? It's going to do nothing to benefit the town, so maybe you should focus on someone who's actually got a paper trail to follow. By lynching Kenpachi we obtain significant information about the entire day. And you don't want to settle on that? Guess we should just vote based upon post count! Kill inactives first because that method works flawlessly. Yes gunning for people who don't reveal information is the best usage case for day lynches. Don't divert the town, you're looking scummy.
Yo chiiiiilllllll. I am not trying to focus on you. I am merely placing my vote on you, which, yes, is effectively abstaining at this moment. I don't honestly think my vote would start a lynch on you.
But how are you confirmed town? I must have missed that O_o I will gladly take my vote off of you, I just picked someone who I found to be slightly suspicious. It is more than obvious that kenpachi is most likely going to be lynched, so I don't think you need to freak out that much.
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lol Jcarl
"i dont like how amber keeps abstaining" - as he is "effectively abstaining" his vote.
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On December 01 2010 01:36 Coagulation wrote:
lol Jcarl
"i dont like how amber keeps abstaining" - as he is "effectively abstaining" his vote.
Haha shhhhh. Idk what to do, I'm playing way too many games at once O_o
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On December 01 2010 01:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 00:18 kitaman27 wrote:On November 30 2010 18:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Honestly it's pretty important I coordinate with medics tonight.
I can't announce who needs to be protected in public, as it'll be too transparent for the mafia to figure out who is who. I know I'm asking for a lot of roleclaims, but that is what is going to win us this game. I'm thinking that a mass roleclaim might not even be such a bad idea. Mafia are the only players in this game that need to lie and considering how many blues have confirmed to me already, it could be a huge trap.
I'm not going to ask for that yet.
But if you're the second medic and you feel cool claiming to me, do it. If not, don't. I just want to make sure I live along with another important townie. Sigh I must sound like a broken record. Have we all given up and assumed DrH knowing most of the roles is our only hope on day 2? Even if you turn out town, I think everyone should be more cautious. Why is he our go-to man, rather than Southrawrea, who has been "confrimed" by a detective? Is the rest of the town so passive that we have rely on him winning it for everyone and hope it doesn't backfire? You plant the seed for a mass roleclaim, which would essentially be an all-in move. On November 30 2010 18:50 youngminii wrote:
Just so everyone knows in case DrH turns up as scum or something and tries to do something sneaky (which I doubt will happen anyway), I roleclaimed to him. Obviously I'm not going to say what my role is but chyeah there you go. -_- It could be to SR if you'd like. But let me put it this way: -if the second medic claims to me, 2 mafia die.
This goes for the role of mad hatter as well.
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On December 01 2010 01:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 01:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 01 2010 00:18 kitaman27 wrote:On November 30 2010 18:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Honestly it's pretty important I coordinate with medics tonight.
I can't announce who needs to be protected in public, as it'll be too transparent for the mafia to figure out who is who. I know I'm asking for a lot of roleclaims, but that is what is going to win us this game. I'm thinking that a mass roleclaim might not even be such a bad idea. Mafia are the only players in this game that need to lie and considering how many blues have confirmed to me already, it could be a huge trap.
I'm not going to ask for that yet.
But if you're the second medic and you feel cool claiming to me, do it. If not, don't. I just want to make sure I live along with another important townie. Sigh I must sound like a broken record. Have we all given up and assumed DrH knowing most of the roles is our only hope on day 2? Even if you turn out town, I think everyone should be more cautious. Why is he our go-to man, rather than Southrawrea, who has been "confrimed" by a detective? Is the rest of the town so passive that we have rely on him winning it for everyone and hope it doesn't backfire? You plant the seed for a mass roleclaim, which would essentially be an all-in move. On November 30 2010 18:50 youngminii wrote:
Just so everyone knows in case DrH turns up as scum or something and tries to do something sneaky (which I doubt will happen anyway), I roleclaimed to him. Obviously I'm not going to say what my role is but chyeah there you go. -_- It could be to SR if you'd like. But let me put it this way: -if the second medic claims to me, 2 mafia die. This goes for the role of mad hatter as well.
I didn't think i'd have any time to post today but here i am, Why would 2 mafia die? Care to explain who and why?
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btw, it goes against my mafia DNA to "give up" - i am only explaining why i am not so active in this one right now
when it gets deeper in the game if i am still here i will do my part, for sure.
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On December 01 2010 02:34 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 01:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 01 2010 01:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 01 2010 00:18 kitaman27 wrote:On November 30 2010 18:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Honestly it's pretty important I coordinate with medics tonight.
I can't announce who needs to be protected in public, as it'll be too transparent for the mafia to figure out who is who. I know I'm asking for a lot of roleclaims, but that is what is going to win us this game. I'm thinking that a mass roleclaim might not even be such a bad idea. Mafia are the only players in this game that need to lie and considering how many blues have confirmed to me already, it could be a huge trap.
I'm not going to ask for that yet.
But if you're the second medic and you feel cool claiming to me, do it. If not, don't. I just want to make sure I live along with another important townie. Sigh I must sound like a broken record. Have we all given up and assumed DrH knowing most of the roles is our only hope on day 2? Even if you turn out town, I think everyone should be more cautious. Why is he our go-to man, rather than Southrawrea, who has been "confrimed" by a detective? Is the rest of the town so passive that we have rely on him winning it for everyone and hope it doesn't backfire? You plant the seed for a mass roleclaim, which would essentially be an all-in move. On November 30 2010 18:50 youngminii wrote:
Just so everyone knows in case DrH turns up as scum or something and tries to do something sneaky (which I doubt will happen anyway), I roleclaimed to him. Obviously I'm not going to say what my role is but chyeah there you go. -_- It could be to SR if you'd like. But let me put it this way: -if the second medic claims to me, 2 mafia die. This goes for the role of mad hatter as well. I didn't think i'd have any time to post today but here i am, Why would 2 mafia die? Care to explain who and why?
If I could have announced that in public, I would have.
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but i do appreciate the reputation for skill i have among the noobs ;D
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On December 01 2010 02:36 annul wrote:
btw, it goes against my mafia DNA to "give up" - i am only explaining why i am not so active in this one right now
when it gets deeper in the game if i am still here i will do my part, for sure.
Well why don't you do your job now! =P Come onnnnnn, help us scumhunt! Don't just leave the town out to dry. While you are gone, you would effectively be lynched, and thus useless to us.
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also i am reading the thread mind you, so i know all of what is happening
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On December 01 2010 00:18 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 18:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Honestly it's pretty important I coordinate with medics tonight.
I can't announce who needs to be protected in public, as it'll be too transparent for the mafia to figure out who is who. I know I'm asking for a lot of roleclaims, but that is what is going to win us this game. I'm thinking that a mass roleclaim might not even be such a bad idea. Mafia are the only players in this game that need to lie and considering how many blues have confirmed to me already, it could be a huge trap.
I'm not going to ask for that yet.
But if you're the second medic and you feel cool claiming to me, do it. If not, don't. I just want to make sure I live along with another important townie. Sigh I must sound like a broken record. Have we all given up and assumed DrH knowing most of the roles is our only hope on day 2? Even if you turn out town, I think everyone should be more cautious. Why is he our go-to man, rather than Southrawrea, who has been "confrimed" by a detective? Is the rest of the town so passive that we have rely on him winning it for everyone and hope it doesn't backfire? You plant the seed for a mass roleclaim, which would essentially be an all-in move. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 18:50 youngminii wrote:
Just so everyone knows in case DrH turns up as scum or something and tries to do something sneaky (which I doubt will happen anyway), I roleclaimed to him. Obviously I'm not going to say what my role is but chyeah there you go. -_-
Considering 12/30 players have roleclaimed to me privately a mass roleclaim could work later in the game if the cards are correctly played.
If it seems appropriate at the time I'll bring up the possibility but for now it's out of the question.
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jcarl the reason for that is because i feel it is usually better to say nothing if you have nothing to say. when i have stuff to say believe me i say it. this goes for whatever color i happen to be. notice in haunted i pretty much said nothing of significance for the first two days and then when i felt i had a chance to affect the game, i started making noise...
not claiming red by any stretch, but that is just how i play no matter what. and right now if i were to speak up on something or FOS someone, it wouldnt be strong. i dont feel it right now. when i do, i will, thats all im saying.
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I'm going to work. I won't be able to keep up with the thread reliably but I can PM easily. So I encourage people who aren't PMing me to PM me.
I'd like to know:
your thoughts on the kenpachi bandwagon as I'm very torn
your top 3 suspects of scum
if you are the real second medic
any scummy PM's others sent you
also my current plan:
Pick the person below you. Or above you if they are dead. Analyse their posts. You can find all of a persons posts in their profile and it'll sort it by thread. Read all of their posts and try to get a rough idea of their GOALS. Logical errors, mind changing, things like that are often scummy but townies are more likely to make that sort of mistake IMO. Remember, look at it from a town perspective versus mafia. Ask yourself "what is a player trying to accomplish with this post or with this PM. What does he gain and who does it benefit most?"
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wagon forming on amber? im interested because i do have reason to suspect him. glasse and jcarls wanna explain this more?
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I said before, I'm not trying to focus on amber, I don't want to bandwagon him. I will change my vote when I find someone other than kenpachi to throw a vote on. I just don't feel comfortable with the easy bandwagon.
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